Stratfor Commentary 990528 2054gmt
Apparent Movement on Diplomatic Front
In surprising news out of Belgrade, Yugoslav President Slobodan
Milosevic has reportedly accepted the basic principles of the G-8
proposal for peace in Kosovo and has agreed
NOTE: NATO spokespeople now claim to be bombing Kosovo to put a stop to
ethnic cleansing by Serbia.
Put aside for a moment the issue of whether the bombing has had this effect
or whether it in fact _speeded up_ the expulsion of the Kosovars. The
following chronology released by AFP today shows
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999
Subject: CLINTON SENDING 90,000 GROUND TROOPS TO YUGOSLAVIA
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The San Jose Mercury News Friday, May 28, 1999
Editorial
LOSING THE MORAL WAR
President Clinton should be ashamed of the attacks on civilians
Admittedly, the line separating the justifiable from the
inexcusable in NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia is not
The wrongs have been many. Native Americans, Africans made chattle, underpaid
workers . Not all have suffered alike, but the majority have been short
changed for the benefit of the few.
Concentrating on the wrongs done to specific groups tends to set group against
group in making their
On Friday, May 28, 1999 at 18:33:01 (-0400) Doug Henwood writes:
J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote:
First let me say that I think your review of
Harvey is perfectly reasonable. I have published
a bunch of stuff on dynamics within complicated
ecological-economic and spatial hierarchies
(see
I don't believe in racial guilt. And I don't believe that any social group
has a monopoly on virtue. My ancestors were poor scotish crofters. If they
received any benefit from slavery, it was not apparent in their income. The
point is that all past modes of production were based on
A Hong Kong Chinese language newspaper, Singtao Daily, filed the following
report in Chinese which I translate:
Chinese military strategic experts feel that the NATO bombing of the Chinese
Embassy in Belgrade revealed a US and NATO testing of a larger scheme
against China. China needs to be
Louise Arbour has close connections to the ruling liberal party, and is
widely touted a forecoming appointee to the supreme court of canada.
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From: Tom Lehman
Any of the Canadians on Pen-L want to enlighten us about Louise Arbour.
There is an interesting
I've been trying to find out a little about the early years of "Strobe
Talbott" in Dayton, Ohio. From what I can gather so far, he was a rich
kid by Dayton standards. He then went, to yes Doug, Yale and the rest
is more or less on record.
For you Canadians who are reading this, Talbott is the
Dean Rusk's son (of all people) has a book out on this. Also, Urban Habitat in
San Francisco has some publications on it, and a political initiative to pull
multicultural groups together on it. (415) 561-.
Also, a Minnesota legislator, Myron Orfield has written about this, and is
J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote:
First let me say that I think your review of
Harvey is perfectly reasonable. I have published
a bunch of stuff on dynamics within complicated
ecological-economic and spatial hierarchies
(see button on my website for recent pubs for
those who are curious) and
Weren't they wandering off to a bar?
Jim Devine wrote:
Also, the giving of Purple
Hearts to the three soldiers who were captured by Serbian troops near the
border of Macedonian at the beginning of the current Holy Human Rights
Crusade has been criticized because not one of them was wounded.
Charles writes: So, if we were a jury deciding whether the Mayas were an
example of indignenous Americans who were bad ecologists. we would have to
say we don't have enough evidence to find them guilty, no ?
To my mind, the key question is not whether or not one or another group of
indigenous
from Scott Shuger's column in SLATE, May 28, 1999, copyright Microsoft:
A front-page LAT [LA TIMES] story reports that of the 26 new comedies and
dramas in the fall line-ups of the four largest broadcast networks--CBS,
NBC, ABC, and Fox--not one features a minority in a leading role. And there
At 01:45 PM 5/28/99 -0400, you wrote:
9,000 PURPLE HEARTS - THAT'S AN ORDER
But we are not fighting a war, according to Bill
Clinton, we are just "degrading" Slobbo's war
machine. OK.
Then why in good God's name are we making
I wrote: If I remember correctly, Levins and Lewontin's discussion in THE
DIALECTICAL BIOLOGIST does not employ the concept of contradictions to
understand non-human nature. So we might say that there are _no_
contradictions (structurally-based conflicts) within non-human nature, a
pretty large
Louis Proyect wrote: As I said, this is no longer about O'Connor. It is
about you and me.
Doug answers: Which is deeply boring to the spectators, no doubt, and
which is why it should end.
A basic rule for this list (and for any other) is that everyone should
always assume that there's some
Slave-like conditions
Impoverished farmworkers in North Carolina
face conditions among the most oppressive in
the United States. A statement by a grower near
New Bern, quoted at FLOC¹s website, puts the
slave-like conditions in perspective: "The North
won the War on paper but we confederates
Craven, Jim wrote:
What does it say about the Zeitgeist when we see over and over on national
TV in primetime, the Monster.Com add showing young children saying "I want a
brown nose", "I want to be under appreciated", "I want to be forced into
early retirement", "I want to be a yes man or yes
Louis Proyect wrote:
"I appreciate his excellent efforts through LBO at pressuring the US government
and business interests into fair play."
It will be several days or more before I can quite wrap my mind around
this whole new spat between Doug and Lou and post on the crucial
issues it opens --
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snip
In a critical footnote to
the essay Reflections on NATO and Kosovo"
(http://www.lbbs.org/shalomnp.htm)
Stephen R. Shalom (who both is strongly opposed to the NATO military
intervention, and against giving support
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Erwin Marquit
School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Minnesota
116 Church Street SE,
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Please distribute, thank you.
In Spirit
David
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Is this the same Max who told me to lighten up for telling a joke about him ? He can
dish it out, but can he take it ?
Charles Brown
Max Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/99 01:00AM
Max wrote:
I want to be compensated by the descendants of Pharoah.
Think of the compound interest.
ALERT: GOLD SALES FOR DEBT CANCELLATION -
NOT FOR THE IMF'S "ESAF"!
The U.S. Treasury Department plans to ask Congress very soon for
authorization to sell part of the IMFs stock of gold. Treasury and the IMF
say that the proceeds would be used for debt relief, but in fact most of the
money
Thanks for the interesting summary of Rubenstein. I shouldn't pass
judgments until looking at the source, but the point about tradeoffs in
bombing targets strikes me as disingenuous. The US was bombing heavily
guarded Rumanian oilfields (I am told) under dubious circumstances (the
expectation
At 04:47 AM 28/05/99 -0400, Louis wrote:
That and the
charge that American Indians drove bison off cliffs, picked up by David
Harvey,
I think they did, actually; it is an efficent hunting technique. My
grandparents homesteaded such a spot. I agree the accusation of wanton
waste is a projection
At 08:54 AM 27/05/99 -0700, Jim D. wrote:
If I
remember correctly, Levins and Lewontin's discussion in THE DIALECTICAL
BIOLOGIST does not employ the concept of contradictions to understand
non-human nature. So we might say that there are _no_ contradictions
(structurally-based conflicts) within
On Friday, May 28, 1999 at 15:22:51 (-0400) Michael Hoover writes:
...
consequences of unrestricted suburban growth include among other things,...
Very interesting stuff. What would you recommend for reading on these
topics?
Bill
I have no idea what the resolution looks like, but at present rebuilding
and repopulating urban areas and stopping (and better yet, reversing)
suburban sprawls in the United States would, I think, be good for both
cities and rural ecosystems.
Yoshie
consequences of unrestricted suburban
The point is the living descendants' lives are impacted by history. Today's
inequality is caused by the wrongs and inequalities of the past. Each generation's
equality does not arise anew upon each generation. Calling the idea of such
compensation ludicrous is an unsupported conclusory
Seth,
I'm holding
You don't think the French fur traders were not
out to accumulate capital and did not "commodify
and labor"? They were and they did.
Barkley Rosser
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From: Seth Sandronsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date:
Wojtek, this is already happening in Ohio. The largest group of registered
voters are the Independents. Followed by the Republicans. At this point
things don't look good for the Democrats. This in a state that was trending
Democrat before Clinton and the neo-democrat policy cabal.
One thing
French long lots are "feudal" and square-grids are
"capitalistic"? Give me a break.
The French long lots simply guarantee that everybody
has access to the main transportation route, which was
rivers in French North America. The idea is that people
would be trading. Pretty
This is in response to some of Louis's
replies to me yesterday.
When I mentioned the possibility that elements
of capitalism may have existed even in the ancient
empires, and been a possible source of the class
structures and resulting ecological damage associated
with that initial
What does it say about the Zeitgeist when we see over and over on national
TV in primetime, the Monster.Com add showing young children saying "I want a
brown nose", "I want to be under appreciated", "I want to be forced into
early retirement", "I want to be a yes man or yes woman" etc. Does this
Please feel free to reprint and redistribute.
Sunday Journal, Washington DC, May 30, 1999
SEEK PEACE AND PURSUE IT
Robert Naiman
Memorial Day finds us at war again, with Yugoslavia and
Iraq. The death toll from NATO bombing climbs, as NATO
bombs hospitals and embassies by predictable
9,000 PURPLE HEARTS - THAT'S AN ORDER
By STEVE DUNLEAVY
LEE GRAVES this week got some good news
for his business, but not very good news for
soldiers.
"On Wednesday, we got the official order to
Michael,
I am sorry O'Connor has left. I agree that we
should avoid flaming one another. I understand
your concern as listowner about keeping things
within certain bounds, and I think you've done
a good job at it.
BTW, I shall be having a much lower profile
on all these lists over the
Doug,
I don't know. Could be. They've certainly had
worse leaders.
Barkley Rosser
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From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 12:03 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:7394] Panic
J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote:
Barkley suggested that I chill out. Jim O'Connor just left the list. I
consider his departure a loss for all of us.
I still maintain that we should abstain from personally attacking one
another.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chico, CA
From World Socialist Web Site www.wsws.org
WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis
Milosevic indictment provides pretext for invasion
By the editorial board
28 May 1999
The indictment of Slobodan Milosevic by the International Criminal Tribunal
for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) is
Some interesting things are happening in Fiji with the election of a
Labour Government. They have reinstated several hundred employees
sacked from the privatised Nadi International Airport, and are facing
down rumblings that threaten to repeat the military coup that
overthrew the last Labour
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ANNOUNCEMENT
RALLY
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Stratfor
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Stratfor Analysis of
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The Guardian (London and Manchester)
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Worster's comments are interesting. I agree that the westward expansion
of capitalism is portrayed as inexorable in NATURE'S METROPOLIS, but
that may be historically accurate. At the very least, one would have to
say that the forces impelling this movement were extremely powerful and
unlikely
Friday May 28 1999
Pakistan shoots
down jet fighter
AGENCIES in New Delhi and Islamabad
Pakistan said it had shot down two Indian jet
fighters over Kashmir yesterday. India
admitted one had been hit,
10/16-18/94 - SecDef Perry and Senators Inouye, Nunn, Stevens, and
Warner goes to China for three days of meetings with top government
officials and the PLA.
Perry pushed for greater transparency in China's defense spending and
military strategy. Perry also suggested that if China would agree to
[Moderator: More info on the situation: http://www.savepacifica.net/]
What: Open Letter to Dr. Mary Frances Berry
From: The African American Programmers at KPFA Radio
May 21, 1999
Dear Dr. Berry,
We, the African American programmers at KPFA radio have been active
participants in the
***NEWS BULLETIN***
CLASS-ACTION LAWSUIT FILED IN FEDERAL COURT
TO PROTECT THOUSANDS OF SUNY EMPLOYEE JOBS
FROM STATE "CONTRACTING-OUT" (TERMINATION!)
A class-action lawsuit on behalf of thousands of professional employees in
the State University of New York (SUNY) and the future
Paul is that her maiden name, her married name or her stage name?
Does she have any votes? Where does her money come from? A certain
ethnic group?
Your email pal,
Tom L.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is getting rediculous. Everytine I try to send a message it
seems to go adaft, away,
Louis Proyect wrote:
I now
understand the real reason O'Connor rejected my articles on the American
Indian that Buhle had submitted to him. I was casting pearls before swine.
Breathtaking.
Doug
Lou,
I think that at this point cautious observers
would have to conclude that we don't know for
sure what happened to the Mayans. We are not
even sure about how quickly the collapse happened,
was it sudden or over a longer time period, and if
the latter, how long? By now there is a very
Louis Proyect wrote:
Breathtaking.
Doug
More apolitical sniping from Doug.
Is it apolitical to express shock and disapproval for your arrogant
dismissal of Jim O'Connor? Maybe so, maybe it's just bourgeois personalism
or some such failing. If it is, I plead guilty. But, as Bob Fitch says,
Doug:
Is it apolitical to express shock and disapproval for your arrogant
dismissal of Jim O'Connor? Maybe so, maybe it's just bourgeois personalism
or some such failing. If it is, I plead guilty. But, as Bob Fitch says,
socialism should be social.
Maybe there's something I don't get here. Jim
While my respect for electoral politics approaches zero, methinks the
process can be useful as a form of anti-war demonstration - a bit more
effective than the street variety.
The idea is simple - do not wait until 2000, start voting your disapproval
with the Fifth-Column, Cruise-Missile
Louis Proyect wrote:
As I said, this is no longer about O'Connor. It is about you and me.
Which is deeply boring to the spectators, no doubt, and which is why it
should end.
Doug
Paul,
Two points:
1) Apparently there is very hard evidence that for
large numbers of those in the refugee camps there
was a standard sequence of events: a) village or
town shelled, b) door to door visits by Serbian troops
or police or masked paramilitaries ordering the people
to
I admire the work and contributions of both Lou and Doug. Sometimes I see
stuff on pen-l that gets me going, but then again I remember this person is
writing on pen-l and caring enough to write on this medium rather than on
some net full of academic philistines who care or know nothing about the
Lou,
First let me say that I think your review of
Harvey is perfectly reasonable. I have published
a bunch of stuff on dynamics within complicated
ecological-economic and spatial hierarchies
(see button on my website for recent pubs for
those who are curious) and I agree that gettting off
I think it would be better if such a force were unarmed rather than armed, better if
it were lightly and defensively armed than heavily and offensively armed.
The point of such a force should be to protect civilians and prevent violence, period.
Not to impose political changes from the
_Pretty Villages, Pretty Flame_ is a film by Srdjan Dragojevich. Cast:
Dragan Bjelogrlic, Nikola Kojo, Nikola Pejakovich.
This is a low budget Serbian film about the Bosnian civil war that was
criticized for being Serb propaganda and a "fascist" film. It is a
strong anti-war film that is deeply
J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote:
the moderate Milan Panic regime
That's the guy who founded ICN Pharmaceuticals, right? The friend of Jerry
Brown who had a troubled relation with U.S. securities law? What was he
like as a head of state?
Doug
Louis and Doug are two of my favorite people. I wish that they would turn
their intelligence to other things than sniping at each other. Thank god, that
others have not rushed in to take sides.
This all began with an accidental posting. Drop it now.
Jim O'Conner, David Harvey and other
So, if we were a jury deciding whether the Mayas were an example of indignenous
Americans who were bad ecologists. we would have to say we don't have enough evidence
to find them guilty, no ?
Charles Brown
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/99 11:10AM
Lou,
I think that
Jack Lessenberry is a liberal columnist for the Detroit Metrotimes, a weekly.
CB
Bring back the USSR!
Jack Lessenberry was recently named a finalist in the Association of Alternative
Breathtaking.
Doug
More apolitical sniping from Doug. It would probably be asking too much for
him to investigate for himself who is closer to the truth on Mayan
agriculture, Hughes--who I discovered is a regular CNS columnist, a scary
thought--or Sharer. It is much easier to debase the
Friday, May 28, 1999
MIDEAST
Overshadowed by Kosovo War, Action Against Iraq
Escalating
By JOHN DANISZEWSKI, Times Staff Writer
Doug:
I'm the first to admit I don't know the literature, and you probably don't
either.
As a matter of fact, I do know the literature on indigenous peoples much
more than J. Donald Hughes, based on the evidence. Anybody who has a
glancing familarity with Maya scholarship knows that the charge
This is getting rediculous. Everytine I try to send a message it
seems to go adaft, away, and the more I try to answer someone in
a stream, the stream seams to get awash, away...
This is in response to the comment about Louise Arbourg and the
listing of Milosevic by her of an indighted war
Louis Proyect wrote:
[Just as I suspected, J. Donald Hughes's CNS article "The Classic Maya
Collapse" was based on dated scholarship. Actually, Hughes's article turns
out to be impressions of his vacation in Mexico, not much more substantial
than my "London Calling" post. More recent scholarship
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NECESSARILY
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