RE: US: Mideast to be Reshaped After Iraq War

2003-02-07 Thread Sabri Oncu
From the article I sent: CIA Director George Tenet told the breakfast, God teaches us to be resolute in the face of evil, using all of the weapons and armor that the word of God supplies. Unbelievable. Apparently, I missed the above. Of course, God Save the Queen, or, was it In God We Trust?

British dossier sham

2003-02-07 Thread Chris Burford
Powell said: I would call my colleagues' attention to the fine paper that the United Kingdom distributed... which describes in exquisite detail Iraqi deception activities. However http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,890916,00.html Apart from passing this off as the work of its

Re: Blair on a rack

2003-02-07 Thread soula avramidis
"Blair stuck to a radical view that after Sept 2001 no unstable state could be allowed to have weapons that could fall into the hands of terrorists. " did anyone ask: is it not inevitable that weapons of mass destruction will fall in the hands of terrorists" and should it not be that the class

Stability question

2003-02-07 Thread Sabri Oncu
soula avramidis: Blair stuck to a radical view that after Sept 2001 no unstable state could be allowed to have weapons that could fall into the hands of terrorists. did anyone ask: is it not inevitable that weapons of mass destruction will fall in the hands of terrorists and should it

Re: Stability question

2003-02-07 Thread soula avramidis
Is there any state out there that is more unstable than the US atthis point in history?Answer: at least the group of 77 AND China.Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

Colombia

2003-02-07 Thread Ian Murray
U.S. Moves Closer to Colombia's War Involvement of Special Forces Could Trigger New Wave of Guerrilla Violence By Scott Wilson Washington Post Foreign Service Friday, February 7, 2003; Page A22 SARAVENA, Colombia -- The arrival of U.S. Special Forces trainers in this battered town last month

Afghanistan's economy

2003-02-07 Thread Ian Murray
http://www.eurasianet.org EURASIA INSIGHT February 7, 2003 RISING DRUG FLOW OUT OF AFGHANISTAN THREATENS CENTRAL ASIAN NEIGHBORS Todd Diamond: 2/06/03 The US-led war against terrorism and subsequent reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan have failed to stem the flow of narcotics out of the

Re: jobless youth

2003-02-07 Thread Michael Perelman
The report is at http://www.nupr.neu.edu/2-03/left_behind.PDF -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

FW: Today's Papers: N Korea standoff

2003-02-07 Thread Devine, James
Title: FW: Today's Papers: N Korea standoff from SLATE's summary of major US newspapers: Several papers front Colin Powell's defense of the administration policy on North Korea. Responding to the latest rhetoric from Pyongyang (pre-emptive attacks are not the exclusive right of the U.S.,)

Re: FW: Today's Papers: N Korea standoff

2003-02-07 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] my prediction: the US will launch a strategic-bombing attack on N Korea's nuclear facilities, explicitly emulating US ally Israel's unprovoked attack on Iraq's facilities a few years ago. It's most likely at about the same

attention Wal-Mart shoppers

2003-02-07 Thread Ian Murray
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1716552cat=21616type=3dept=3920path=0%3A3920%3A 58294%3A18837%3A21616

a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Dan Scanlan
(On a recent show of his -- the pretentiously named O'Reilly Factor -- Bill O'Reilly learned that a family member of a 9/11 victim had signed 'the not in our name' statement of conscience ad that appeared in the New York Times on Jan. 27th and promised to invite him on the show... here is the

Re: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Carrol Cox
And this (O'REILLY) is the man that cool leftists want to praise for his sense of humor? Carrol

Re: Stability question

2003-02-07 Thread joanna bujes
That's hard to answer, but if stability can be defined as the congruence between the wishes/needs of the population at large and the wishes/needs of the governing regime, I would say that there are few very stable states. Joanna At 02:08 AM 02/07/2003 -0800, you wrote: soula avramidis: Blair

Re: Re: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Carrol Cox wrote: And this (O'REILLY) is the man that cool leftists want to praise for his sense of humor? I suppose this is directed at me, so... I know I'll never be as uncool as you Carrol, though I have to admit I'm not trying very hard. But I've said lots of times, while O'R is

Re: Re: Re: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now I know one isn't supposed to take any pleasure in evil people; I'm in an unsuccessful rebellion against my Catholic past, and sometimes I forget this point. == Somebody break out the Bushmill's and call the

e-sales taxes

2003-02-07 Thread Ian Murray
Big Stores To Charge Sales Taxes Online Retailers Agree To Collect for States By Brian Krebs and Jonathan Krim Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, February 7, 2003; Page A01 Some of the nation's largest retailers started voluntarily collecting taxes this week on all their online sales, a

worldmeters

2003-02-07 Thread ravi
http://www.osearth.com/resources/worldometers/ --ravi

Re: Re: Re: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Kendall Clark
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 02:55:45PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote: I hate to deploy Fitzgerald's cliche once again, but I guess it became a cliche because there are so many illustrations of the principle: The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at

doublethink

2003-02-07 Thread Devine, James
Title: doublethink [was: RE: [PEN-L:34449] Re: Re: Re: a slip of the Fox noose] Doug: I hate to deploy Fitzgerald's cliche once again, but I guess it became a cliche because there are so many illustrations of the principle: The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to

Weapons of Mass Destruction

2003-02-07 Thread Ralph Johansen
Fwd by Leo Panitch: From: Rick Hesch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 5:57 AM To: Canadian Dimension magazine A reporter is asking an American official, What proof do you have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction? and the American replies, We kept the receipts.

Re: Re: Re: Re: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Kendall Clark wrote: I think that it's O'Reilly who has a hard time squaring internal contradiction, however. He can't handle it when leftists are smart articulate, like Glick was. We were watching a few weeks ago when a very sharp immigration lawyer was giving him a hard time for his

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Kendall Clark
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 04:09:01PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote: Kendall Clark wrote: He can't handle it when leftists are smart articulate, like Glick was. I thought Amiri Baraka cleaned his clock too, even with the sorta dumb bit about George Bush knew it was gonna happen. If Baraka's

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Joel Blau
My guess is that he let Fish go on because there is submissiveness and a profound sense of inadequacy mixed with his fake populism toward the left and cultural elites. Joel Blau Doug Henwood wrote: Kendall Clark wrote: I think that it's O'Reilly who has a hard time squaring internal

Re: doublethink

2003-02-07 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug: I hate to deploy Fitzgerald's cliche once again, but I guess it became a cliche because there are so many illustrations of the principle: The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed

RE: Re: doublethink

2003-02-07 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34458] Re: doublethink the cited paper starts by saying Nagarjuna is surely one of the most difficult philosophers to interpret in any tradition. His texts are terse and cryptic. Ian, your stuff is often terse and cryptic. Are you saying that Nagarjuna is engaging in

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Kendall Clark wrote: Of course, Stanley Fish walked all over him and he didn't cut him off. I wonder why he got away with it? I didn't see this. Transcript? (I would hypothesize that O'Reilly's readiness to cut people off is subject-matter dependent, to some degree. He seems genuinely

Re: RE: Re: doublethink

2003-02-07 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: [PEN-L:34459] RE: Re: doublethink the cited paper starts by saying Nagarjuna is surely one of the most difficult philosophers to interpret in any

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Carrol Cox
Joel Blau wrote: My guess is that he let Fish go on because there is submissiveness and a profound sense of inadequacy mixed with his fake populism toward the left and cultural elites. Joel Blau And perhaps because they are twins under the skin?? :-) I've never heard Fish speak, but

RE: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34460] a slip of the Fox noose It's really irritating how O'Reilly keeps on calling Fish Dean (and not Dean Fish). But more importantly, I think that the reason why he let Fish walk all over him is that the issue at hand was pretty abstract, i.e., whether Osama should be

RE: RE: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Marens, Richard S.
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34460] a slip of the Fox noose I think that's a fair assessment. Fish, after all, was making a pragmatic argument from the perspective of the loyal opposition: let's understand Bin Laden better to make it easier to destroy him, hardly more than a difference in tactics.

RE: Re: RE: Re: doublethink

2003-02-07 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34461] Re: RE: Re: doublethink Ian: Nagarjuna was arguably the first philosopher to systematically explore and *break* with the limits of the applicability of the law of non-contradiction and the implications for ontology and epistemology. so he or she embraces

Antagonistic and Non-Antagonistic contradictions, was Re: doublethink

2003-02-07 Thread Carrol Cox
Devine, James wrote: On the other hand, more of a Marx-style contradiction would occur if there weren't enough seats in the stadium for all the people, so that there's an inherent conflict over the distribution of seats that can't be solved via why can't we just get along? (i.e., figuring

RE: Antagonistic and Non-Antagonistic contradictions, was Re: doublethink

2003-02-07 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34466] Antagonistic and Non-Antagonistic contradictions, was Re: doublethink somewhere in one of my many unpublished manuscripts, I also link the coordination problem to non-antagonistic contradictions, on the other hand, and structural conflict to antagonistic ones, on the

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: doublethink

2003-02-07 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ian: Nagarjuna was arguably the first philosopher to systematically explore and *break* with the limits of the applicability of the law of non-contradiction and the implications for ontology and epistemology. so he or

Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

2003-02-07 Thread Dan Scanlan
A reporter is asking an American official, What proof do you have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction? and the American replies, We kept the receipts. So if they return the weapons can we get a refund?

Re: RE: RE: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Michael Perelman
It is a good idea to clip the extraneous text when you reply. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: British dossier sham

2003-02-07 Thread Chris Burford
No 10 admits dossier blunder http://www.channel4.com/news/home/z/stories/20030207/dossier.html some of those working on this report were not the Iraqi experts at the Foreign office or MI6 but Downing street staffers, including those that work in Alastair Campbell's department

Re: British dossier sham

2003-02-07 Thread Tom Walker
Tonight, CBC's As it happens interviewed Glen Rangwala, the Oxford instructor who blew the whistle on the plagiarism. I've been following the rather intense coverage this has been receiving in the UK press. The Friday press briefing from 10 Downing St. was amazing, with the Prime Minister's

another rogue state

2003-02-07 Thread Ian Murray
North Dakota Found To Be Harboring Nuclear Missiles http://www.theonion.com/onion3904/north_dakota.html BISMARCK, ND-The stage was set for another international showdown Monday, when chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix confirmed that the remote, isolationist state of North Dakota is in

Re: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Three Guests Who Bested O'Reilly: * Stanley Fish, Dean (College of Liberal Arts and Sciences)/Professor of English and Criminal Justice (Milton and Post-Modernism), University of Illinois - Chicago * Amiri Baraka, Poet Laureate, New Jersey * Jeremy Glick, Lecturer, English (African-American

Re: RE: RE: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I guess I must be in the loyal opposition too. I want to understand Bin Laden the better to destroy him. I don't believe anyone here regards him as a freedom fighter. In fact, I don't think bin Laden and his gang regard themselvesa s freedom fighters. Holy warriors, maybe. I think they are mass

RE: Re: RE: RE: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-07 Thread Marens, Richard S.
You miss my point. Its not that Fish was wrong or sychophantic about Bin Laden. I just don't see how arguing with O'Reilly that its useful to understand Bin Laden is a particularly radical or challenging assertion, and I suspect that O'Brien response was weak because what Fish was arguing