I don't actually know if I can make myself read it, but thank you for
sending it. I guess it will tell me what the current voodoo words are,
and perhaps I will be able to tell whether they have a real plan or a
just another spin.
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
The NZH reports: Police were out in
The relationship between nutrition and health is not a middle class or
bourgeois prejudice. It is a fact.
Joanna
I don't know if that is good or bad, but anyway it is not true and more a
middleclass or bourgeois prejudice.
Seth Sandronsky
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
The wealth of a household = disposable income + unpaid work.
You wouldn't catch me saying that. If I was married and said things like
that, my wife would have a fit, and boot me out.
Why, it would be the truth. The man who fixes a car or paints a room or
shovels the snow
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
That's how things are in a number of households in many societies,
but men would benefit if their wives made wages equal to theirs or
higher wages than theirs and if combined incomes could purchase the
housework services on the market whose quality is better than what
the
It's pretty clear to me that men take a very different view of it than
women. At the same time, they seem to enjoy the comfort of a clean
house. I don't know why we'd call it bourgeois -- people have been
cleaning themselves and their houses for ever.
Joanna
ravi wrote:
joanna bujes wrote
:
joanna bujes wrote:
It's pretty clear to me that men take a very different view of it than
women. At the same time, they seem to enjoy the comfort of a clean
house. I don't know why we'd call it bourgeois -- people have been
cleaning themselves and their houses for ever.
sure we (men) might
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
I am always perplexed by the combination of an obsessive preoccupation of
Americans with sexual relations, and a puritan christianist morality which
stigmatises a frank and open discussion about it, which seems to lead to the
idea that expressing or using sexual imagery is
couldn't think of the several
words to fill in the blank.
Gene Coyle.
joanna bujes wrote:
It's pretty clear to me that men take a very different view of it than
women. At the same time, they seem to enjoy the comfort of a clean
house. I don't know why we'd call it bourgeois -- people have been
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
The peculiar thing which Marx doesn't really mention in his 1844 Manuscripts
is how human species activities such as caring for an infant can cease to
be fully human expressions which offer satisfaction or interest, but just
become work which has to be done, which we sigh
But therea re lot of people who have a visceral
disgust about sexual behavior different from theirs
that is independent of any religiosu beliefs.
Visceral? I'm skeptical. Aren't you the one who argues against the
causative value of inborn anything.
Do you mean visceral disgust independent of
of social
conditioning. (I'll send you a paper on this that I
can'ts eem to get published . . . )jks
--- joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But therea re lot of people who have a visceral
disgust about sexual behavior different from theirs
that is independent of any religiosu beliefs
?
--- joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, Christ!, Justin. Many college students still
find oral sex
viscerally disgusting...it takes a while. Besides,
one thing I can tell
you is that while men may publically gag at the idea
of having sex with
another man, when they get older, like say, after
40
This of course means there are probably times when I am not part of
the solution. There are times on the dance floor where I have stepped
on my partners feet, but very few times when they have stepped on my
feet. I wonder why that is?
I asked my wife and she said something about trying to lead.
Yeah, fuck Disney and the mouse. Infinitely more delectable is the
divine Betty (Boop), whose creator, Max Fleischer was far more
imaginative, fun, creative, iconoclastic than Disney. You can get the
complete (6 vol) Betty Boop cartoons on video for sixty bucks or so.
Endless entertainment for
Bring Halliburton Home
lookout by Naomi Klein
[from the November 24, 2003 issue of The Nation]
This article can be found on the web at
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20031124s=klein
Cancel the contracts. Ditch the deals. Rip up the rules.
Those are a few suggestions for slogans that
I don't know that I think in terms of socialist art. But I know what
you're getting at. Here's a few -- off the top of my head -- there's
nothing systematic about this list except that I read or saw everything
on the list and thought it was great. Not all these are contemporary,
but I figure 20th
Good site for Iraq news.
http://dailywarnews.blogspot.com/
Joanna
But now you have to prove to
me that hubby proletarian actually benefits from the fact that his wife
earns less per hour than he does, and it is clear as day that he DOESN'T,
because it means that real disposable household income is less than it could
be, and if her wage was equal to his, they
Better, you're right.
Joanna
Devine, James wrote:
but it suggests that a hand-out is a bad thing. How about a dollar for Bush is a dollar for war?
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So if I give money to a beggar, that's a bad thing?
Joanna
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
but it suggests that a hand-out is a bad thing. How about a dollar for Bush is a dollar for war?
Hand-outs are a bad thing. At least at the micro level.
That's great news. Thanks.
Joanna
MICHAEL YATES wrote:
I have read with interest recent posts under the heading Step into
the Classroom. I have been a labor educator since 1980. I have
taught working class students, mostly local union activists, through
labor studies programs at Penn State
Right on.
...another bottom feeder I guess
Joanna
ravi wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hand-outs don't enable people for self-suffiency.
are human beings capable of being self-sufficient? i do not know of a
single one that is so, but perhaps thats because my friends and i are
all bottom
Ian writes
Welcome to the contradictions of the division of labor and bounded
rationality.
Seems to me that coaxing fellow learners to 'see' connections that weren't
apparent in their quest to improve the quality of their lives is a small
first step creating greater public discussion whereby
Good one, thanks.
Joanna
Dan Scanlan wrote:
2. Topical Words: McJob
---
The Associated Press reported last Saturday that Jim Cantalupo, the
Chairman and CEO of the fast-food firm McDonald's, had published an
open letter to
Not to mention the films -- a significant slice of the great art of the
twentieth century. In the visual arts, they were the bomb!. And then
there were the writers: Akhmatova, Yesenin, Trifonov, Bulgakov, and
lots, lots more that I just don't know about ...
...and the dancers -- Galina Ulanova,
Pretty good, I'll pass it on.
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
A tax-dollar for Bush is a hand-out for war
Have you read this guy? Would you recommend?
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
The radical imagination of Cornelius Castoriadis, by Scott McLemee
Paris in the forties was a city awash in forged identities and remade lives.
But few transformed themselves as completely as Cornelius Castoriadis.
New York Press - November 12-18, 2003
Cage Match
Back at the Wheel
Thomas Friedman just loves to grind the gears.
[Matt Taibbi]
The New York Times' Tom Friedman has a thing about wheels. They recur
in his columns with chilling frequency. The tendency is so overt that
he often reads like a classic
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point
I think Pascal's assertion has more to do with the limitations of reason than with the powers or nature of the more ambiguous coeur. In other words, it's difficult to say whether by heart Pascal means heart/feeling or heart/love.
I see
Agreedand great quote:
To be Greek, one must have no clothes.
To be Medieval, one must have no body.
To be Modern, one must have no soul (Oscar Wilde)
Joanna
Shane Mage wrote:
Originally Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
There is no good reason to ban advertising, only advertising which does not
provide useful and accurate information about the product. If I am
overposting, I am sorry.
Jurriaan
Sometimes you shock me. There are many, many good reasons to get rid of
advertising. Off the
No, I'm arguing, that advertising isn't netural; I'm arguing that its
rhetoric has an implicit message, that this implicit message is a form
of brainwashing, and that a free society should not promote brainwashing.
My point about the seven deadlies is not an assertion to be taken on
faith, but an
Apparently, this is making the rounds. I got it from my little sister.
(Diane Monaco are you there?)
THE NEXT SURVIVOR SERIES
Six married men will be dropped on an island for six weeks with 1 car
and 4 kids each.
Each kid plays two sports and either takes music or dance class.
There is no access
Perhaps the single state of some women is the expression of this
revolt...or at least revulsion. It's also hard to revolt when you have
to take care of the kids. I have the luxury of an income that enables me
to support my kids; many women do not have that luxury.
But, yes, women and nature are
November 9, 2003
By GREG WINTER
The federal government typically gives the wealthiest
private universities significantly more financial aid money
than schools with much greater shares of poor students.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/09/education/09AID.html?ex=1069369809ei=1en=d3fc415b596e1d74
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
However, once it is admitted that human
beings are part of the material world and connected with it all the time
through conscious practical activity, most philosophical problems about our
ability to know the world disappear and become practical, experiential
questions.
Sabri Oncu wrote:
Back to work, that is, homework and I tell you, you don't want to
do this at my age.
Yeah, work is bad enoughbut at least there, I can slog through it
while repeating to myself: I get paid $$/hour to do this; I get paid
$$/hour to do this; Hard to do that in school. By
I think Gore Vidal summed it up best when he said What we have in this
country is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.
Joanna
Eubulides wrote:
[New York Times]
November 10, 2003
When Subsidies to Lure Business Don't Pan Out
By LOUIS UCHITELLE
INDIANAPOLIS - A huge, light-gray
Also on Friday, Turkey decided not to deploy 10,000 troops to its
southern neighbor. Washington had been pressuring Turkey for months to
send what would have been the first contingent of troops from a Muslim
country, but the move faced strong resistance from the Iraqi Governing
Council.
Secretary
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
1. More managers
While the employed labour force grew in the last nine years by 20% in the
Netherlands, Dutch CBS statistics show the number of operatives classified
as managers increased by 75% during the same time to 177,000 managers in
total, or an average of one
...and I have to admit, I'm irritated by this desire to control
discourse before you hear what someone has to say. There's something
light-hearted about brief interchanges -- I don't mind them.
Joanna
Devine, James wrote:
it's the quality of sentences that counts, not the quantity.
Yes -- a magnificent play -- The Duchess of Malfi --
Joanna
Carrol Cox wrote:
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
But that was in another country,
and, besides, the wench is dead.
If we're poaching on non-Shakespearean territory, I prefer
I am the Duchess of Malfi still!*
and
Cover her face, mine
His screed has the virtue of being so unbelievable(who hasn't heard
of the $5,000 toilet seats)...that it's well, unbelievable.
Joanna
Max B. Sawicky wrote:
I want the drugs this guy is using.
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Devine, James wrote:
I say: draft all those who support the war!
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Waaay too logical...
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien wrote
We only make progress if we extract the hidden logic behind the metaphors
that paralyse our thinking.
Yes. True. Interestingly enough, the following was posted to LBO a few
days ago. I knew Lakoff at UC Berkeley when his star was rising. He was
doing interesting work and
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
The theorem is that we all
have something to sell, just like prostitutes, and the whole way to expand
the market is to focus on those things you've got that you can sell.
Something tells me it's a bit worse for the consolidated account than for the prostitute. The
Good.
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
11:24 am PST, 2 November 2003
Israeli motorists are waiting in long lines at petrol stations as trade
unions halted fuel supplies ahead of a general strike aimed at paralysing
the whole economy. Israel's cabinet approved the issuing of emergency
Corruption is defined as the abuse of public power for private gain.
===
This is way too thin a definition of corruption. It concedes too much to
methodological individualism.
Ian
The definition seems pretty good to me. What's methodological
individualism?
Joanna
materialism.
I wrote a paper on this a decade ago, Metaphysical
Individualism and Functional Explanation, Phil Science
(1993).
jks
--- Eubulides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Subject
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
In the American involvement in the Vietnam war from 1964-1975, it is
generally accepted that of the American military personnel deployed, about
58,200 died, another 153,000 casualties were hospitalized with injuries, and
of those, about 100,000 were permanently disabled or
If this is not genocide, I don't know what is.
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
(this article describes how the forces of imperialism literally poison
people to death, which over time may make official war casualty rates look
like chickenfeed - and I am not talking tobacco. The poisoning would
Wait a sec Justin. If you're making big bucks defending tabbacco, well
that's understandable. Big tabbacco makes big bucks that they use to pay
you. But if some guy is making big bucks from poor black people who
think that he will defend them in discrimination/criminal suits and
then spending all
Here's what I'm curious about: I buy a house for 300,000. Within five
years, the house is valued at 500,000 (not unusual in the Bay area); now
I re-finance. Is my collateral based on the portion of the 300,000 I
have paid off? Or is it based on the revised market value of the house?
Joanna
Doug
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Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [PEN-L] PK on GDP surge - what could a socialist say ?
Here's what I'm curious about: I buy a house
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
Presumably, they would do that only
if for example they were sure that they had job security, or if they gained
a rise in pay, and so on. And that cuts out a lot of people already, because
we know there is a lot of job insecurity.
No. It's not a rational thing. Until
No, in fact, rental prices in the Bay area are dropping. To get an apt
in the building in which I live, you practically had to inherit it. For
the last nine months we've had three vacancies, and they're not renting
because the prices are too high.
Joanna
Doug Henwood wrote:
Jurriaan Bendien
Mildly funny. J.
Newsgroups: rec.humor.funny
Subject: Iraq perspective
Up in Heaven, Alexander the Great, Frederick the Great and Napoleon are
looking down on events in Iraq. Alexander says, Wow, if I had just one of
Bush's armored divisions, I would definitely have conquered
Oh, definitely, the Tufte book is a technical writer's visual bible!!!
An exceptional book.
Joanna
Eugene Coyle wrote:
For a funny put-down of Power Point lectures, look at
www.edwardtufte.com.
Tufte, at Yale I think, is the graphics/statistics whiz who has
produced some beautiful books, one of
Awright, awrightbut you have to sign it when you come to SF.
Joanna
Doug Henwood wrote:
Devine, James wrote:
for the Christmas/Chanukah/Kwanzaa/Saturnalia season, here's a gift
idea:
http://www.talkingpresidents.com/products-af-coulter.shtml
And don't forget
A Small Country with a Moustache:
Why Amnon Dankner Sacked his Satire Columnist?
The following piece was published last week in Israeli daily Ma'ariv's
chain of local magazines. Within 48 hours, Ma'ariv's editor in chief
fired its author, columnist Yehuda Nuriel. The item, part of Nuriel's
weekly
Bill Lear wrote
In other words, Intel demands that it be able to suckle at the teat of
the nanny state.
Exactly, and one can't help but notice that capital is headed straight
for those countries who, as a result of evil socialist and state-funded
educational development, have a highly educated
I don't believe it. Will we need 2,000,000 more prison guards over the
next year? He also predicted higher interest rates...
Higher interest rates I could believe; it might cost Bush the election,
but he can be sacrificed; there are many who are not happy with his, uh,
destabilizing moves.
High
So does this mean boycott Safeway too?
Joanna
Devine, James wrote:
Friends:
The baggers, deli clerks, cashiers, and other employees at Vons/Pavillion (owned by Safeway), Ralphs (owned by Kroger), and Albertsons are on strike, as of Saturday night, and would appreciate your not crossing their
See
http://www.theonion.com/3940/wdyt.html
Joanna
He looked from pig to man, and man to pig
(quoting from memory)
Joanna
Eubulides wrote:
Chinese Leaders Endorse Property Rights
In Break From Founding Ideals, Party Also Decides to Allow Large Land
Holdings
Focus on food, education, health, housing first. When that is dealt
with, proceed at a very deliberate pace, with ample time for review and
evaluation, with an ecologically responsible industrialization policy.
Prepare to be invaded for terrorizing the capitalists.
Joanna
Doug Henwood wrote:
Yes, I left the ask the people stuff off my post, because people in
the third world have a skewed image of what industralization and
modernity imply. What they're exposed to in the media is the magic
outcome of that process...without understanding what that process
implies. So, health, education,
I read an excellent book on the development of Cuba's medical care
programmes. It was written by an academic from the mid-west, who was
obviously not a socialist. And yet he was impressed and his account was
one of the most amazing accounts of what intelligence, good will, and a
humane project
This is fucking priceless: (sorry Yoshie -- polite speech eludes me more
and more)
Economists, while acknowledging the need for protecting consumers
during the transition, say that a market economy would provide food
much more cheaply and efficiently than the current government-run
system. But the
From http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
Joanna
Baghdad Hotel...
Baghdad Hotel was bombed today on Al-Sa adun street, which is a
mercantile area in Baghdad. Al-Sa adun area is one of the oldest areas
in Baghdad. The street is lined with pharmacies, optometrists,
Well, that's about as succinct a presentation of the problem as I've
seen so far. What have we got? A recipie for war-lord imperalism:
1. Destroy/ravage/immiserate/traumatize a country through bombing,
economic sancations, and chemical warfareto soften it up and make it
a reconstruction
Yes, the Life is Beautiful argument. (That Italian movie where a
clownish man acts out in order to convince his son that a concentration
camp is not a concentration camp. I couldn't force myself to see it, but
apparently that was the plot)...or perhaps Schindler's List, where the
essential
Putin: Why Not Price Oil in Euros?
By Catherine Belton
Staff Writer President Vladimir Putin said Thursday Russia could switch its
trade in oil from dollars to euros, a move that could have far-reaching
repercussions for the global balance of power -- potentially hurting the
U.S. dollar and
Hey Jim,
Thanks for the post. I am no longer capable of rational speech on this
subject.
Joanna
No, I mean hackers. Obviously it's not a monolithic set of attitudes
beliefs. There are obviously pockets of leftie hackers and geeks. But I
still stand by my claim that the dominant ideology is right libertarian. I'm
thinking of the Slashdot crowd, Eric Raymond and his hangers-on, and the
Uh, he's still alive? I quote him all the time :) (mostly to myself.)
Joanna
Michael Hoover wrote:
has yogi berra had anything to say on matter...
* This is like deja vu all over again.
* You can observe a lot just by watching.
* He must have made that before he died. -- Referring to a Steve
McQueen movie.
* I want to thank you for making this day necessary. -- On Yogi
Berra Appreciation Day in St. Louis in 1947.
Web Services seems to be just another mechanism for decoupling that
allows independent change of implementation, and (supposedly) some
sort of dynamic lookup of implementation.
You might look at Creating the Computer: Government, Industry,
and High Technology by Kenneth Flamm, and also his
Racial stereotypes and how these connect with sports are hillarious. The
last time I watched football was during my first marriage (25 years
ago). This was partly to keep hubby company and partly because he liked
sex at half-time, but not much at any other time. Back then, there were
no black
Oh, God, can't stop laughing
http://www.theonion.com/3938/history.html
Joanna
Yup, yup. You're right. God, my mind is goinggoing...
Thanks,
Joanna
Michael Pollak wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Joanna Bujes wrote:
Lessing wrote a most wonderful treatise about this: Letters on the
Aesthetic Education of Man.
I think you actually mean Friedrich Schiller, no?
Michael
But you could well imagine that the
bourgeois would like to impose private property relations on this activity,
such that beautiful, intelligent, healthy babies are only for the propertied
classes, and the proles can spurt uglies.
This is why beautiful women should never marry for money :)
Joanna
Very true. Which makes me wonder about the left propensity for gloom.
The only radicals that speak of hope these days are the Zapatistas.
Wonder why?
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
Positive emotions don't necessarily narrow people toward a specific action,
like negative emotions do. Positive
Maybe what the left needs is the sociological equivalent of Depakote, a mood-stabilizer, or Prozac...
I think it's called art :) Music, dance, theater. Lessing wrote a most
wonderful treatise about this: Letters on the Aesthetic Education of
Man. It's a bit thick with eighteenth century
Thanks Louis. I am familiar with Draper's work on Israel/Palestine,
which I thought was excellent. I did not know about his work on the
manifesto. Marx was a great scholar. I have personally found that close
aquaintance with the classical period and languages to be an
extraordinary help in
Carrol Cox wrote:
This wanders far from the original focus of this thread, but is perhaps
distantly related. I listened on the radio to the Ali-Liston fight in
which Ali won the title. Afterwards the reporters were trying to
interview Ali, and this led to the greatest radio episode ever. Ali
True, very true, but what is this in reply to?
Joanna
Brian McKenna wrote:
doris lessing is always hot. . .
Thanks Brian. You're very kind to say so and I can't tell you how happy
it makes me that my writing has an effect on someone. I think of myself
as a sellout, since I abandoned academia and started to make my living
writing computer manuals. But, hey, I'm a single mom with two kids to
OK. My parents emigrated to the USA. I was born in Romania and came with
them. My sister was born in the USA.
Are my parents first generation immigrants? or 0th generation?
Is my sister first generation or second generation?
You get the drift? How exactly do you define first, second, nth
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/daily/2003/0912a.htm
Ponzi Economy
by Kurt Richebacher
Contributor, The Daily Reckoning
September 12, 2003
The Daily Reckoning PRESENTS
Bullish sentiment is riding at 1987 levels; tech stocks are leading the way
in the reflation rally. What can we say,
wealth
than ever could before. The capitalist class just has
to find places to unload it. One of those places is,
of course, the credit cards which the working class
possess.
Mike B)
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http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/daily/2003/0912a.htm
Jurriaan writes:
Prostitution is, according
to my analysis, the future for many people on the earth under capitalism,
other things remaining equal, because the more sexuality becomes integrated
into the accumulation process, and the more people must rely on individual
resources which they do not
Interesting article ravi...illustrating the contradictory forces
involved in the development of technology under capitalism. There is one
the one hand computing, which per-se calls out for standardization,
raising accessibility to information, globalizing the exchange of ideas
and technologies,
You've lost me Louis, are you arguing for the necessity of torture?
Joanna
Louis Proyect wrote:
Sanford Levinson, The Debate on Torture: War Against Virtual States:
I would adopt some version of the view articulated by Michael Walzer in
his essay The Problem of Dirty Hands, (War and Moral
Anything to save those SUV's.
Joanna
Louis Proyect wrote:
You've lost me Louis, are you arguing for the necessity of torture?
Joanna
No, Dissent Magazine is. Sanford Levinson basically wrote a defense of
Alan
Dershowitz there using formulations that were a bit less crude. If you
watch
Work is fine. So is play. So is life. Work can be an addiction like any
other. The notion that doing nothing is morally suspect should be
subject to very close scrutiny.
Joanna
Bill Lear wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2003 at 12:37:16 (-0700) Michael Perelman writes:
Of course, if computers
Mike wrote:
Wage-slavery is one thing, work is another.
Absolutely. But ending wage-slavery is only the beginning! (And what a beginning!) The next step is to restore our capacity for living, which has been grossly distorted by the ideology of work as a means of self-justification.
Joanna
It looks like capitalism can make money on anything--in this
sensation-hungry, soul-dead age. What next? The staging of public
executions to fill the states' empty coffers?
Joanna
_
Band promises concert suicide
From correspondents in Tampa, Florida
I would be interested in seeing the ideas/assertions in this piece being
applied to the process of globalization (privatization of international
commons) and the controversy about whether 1) it is necessary and why 2)
it does (not) result in any gain for the working class.
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien
But in the last ten, twenty years young, highly educated
professional people went into those places, who did not simply preach to
people about what to do, but who introduced experience and professionalism.
And fun, because intelligent people don't feel like getting beaten up all
day long by the
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