Barkley wrote:
... nobody should be under any illusions whatsoever. The Bush
administration is turning out to be far far worse than anybody forecast
and certainly far worse than a Gore administration would have been. And it
will negatively impact many people in the rest
of the world, I am
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Barkley wrote:
... nobody should be under any illusions whatsoever. The Bush
administration is turning out to be far fa
At 12:45 PM 3/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
They could overdo it. But, most people do not
even know what they are doing. It is a successful
stealth campaign so far.
yeah, but I'm trying to intuit future trends.
As for North Korea, they are probably right that
the DPRK will not outright
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At 12:45 PM 3/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
They could overdo it. But, most people do not
even know what they are doing. It is a successful
stealth campaign so far.
yeah, but I'm trying to intuit future trends.
As for North Korea, they are prob
What evidence is there that Nader voters were in fact potential Gore voters?
That is, is there any data to show that had Nader not been an option, the
people who voted for him would have voted for Gore? Surely that is the
correct question to ask. Nader voters may simply have stayed at home
Hey, Mark, don't bother. The Demicans can't face up to the fact that they
lost because they ran like Repugs, as well as running a generally sorry,
suckass candidate who blew what should have been a sure thing, and they are
deeply resentful because they think they own the votes of the left.
But the idea that the left cannot be taken for granted is profoundly
frightening to Dems.
And profoundly heart-gladdening for Republicans.
The idea that we might be able to exercise real power is absolutely
terrifying. If we are to put together a winning party, it means
taking votes from
National exit polls said that half of Nader voters would have supported Vice
President Al Gore had Nader not been on the ticket. Thirty percent said they
would not have voted and the rest would have gone for Bush.
Oh, you are bringing in *facts*. You do understand that that isn't
allowed here?
Nathan wrote:
...It just does not cut it to argue that Nader voters did not help elect
Bush
We could only have "helped elect" Bush if Bush had in fact been elected.
Which, of course, was the opposite of what happened...
National exit polls said that half of Nader voters would have
Mark Laffey wrote:
What evidence is there that Nader voters were in fact potential Gore voters?
That is, is there any data to show that had Nader not been an option, the
people who voted for him would have voted for Gore? Surely that is the
correct question to ask. Nader voters may simply have
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Doug Henwood wrote:
Mark Laffey wrote:
What evidence is there that Nader voters were in fact potential Gore voters?
That is, is there any data to show that had Nader not been an option, the
people who voted for him would have voted for Gore? Surely that is the
Nathan Newman wrote:
For those who will suffer in pain from RSI injuries without compensation,
those losses will be very real.
Good thing Clinton set right into addressing that problem from his
first day in office, until waiting til the last minute, when he was
distracted by the urgent matter
There have been a number of threads recently on Pen-l which
reflect the super-nationalist navel gazing of Americans.
First, I would ask Brad De Long. If he had a ballot for president
that included Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini and Ramsey McDonald,
who would he vote for?
Second, I would
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Second, I would ask Doug why we shouldn't hope that the
American working class doesn't get hammered into poverty,
disease and death since they have been supporting governments
and policies that have been prescribing such medicine for the rest
of the world.
While
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Second, I would ask Doug why we shouldn't hope that the
American working class doesn't get hammered into poverty,
disease and death since they have been supporting governments
and policies that have been prescribing such medicine for the rest
of the world.
The more I
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Second, I would ask Doug why we shouldn't hope that the
American working class doesn't get hammered into poverty,
disease and death since they have been supporting governments
and policies that have been prescribing such medicine for the rest
of the world.
A couple of
. Kyoto, etc. the US record
is simply disgusting.
Paul Phillips
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Second, I would ask Doug why we shouldn't hope
Doug writes,
A couple of more questions occurred to me while I was in the shower.
Do the 32 million members of the U.S. working class who live in
officially defined poverty deserve their fate? Or worse? How about
the 20-30 million more who live close to poverty? How about the - I'm
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yea Doug, a typical American reply. It ain't us, it is all you
foreigners.
Hold it, now where did Doug say that? Not even close.
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Second, I would ask Doug why we shouldn't hope that the
American
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:44:52 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Canadians are responsible for this? Get a life Doug. What the
collapse of the American economy will do is discredit American
imperialism through the rest of the world thereby improving the long
run prospects of the rest of the
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Second, I would ask Doug why we shouldn't hope that the
American working class doesn't get hammered into poverty,
disease and death since they have been supporting governments
and policies that have been prescribing such medicine for
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Yes, but in your reply to Doug's transparently sarcastic remark on
Candaian innocence, you seem to be taking Doug as an ardent defender of US
foreign policy...
Doug's displeasure, if I'm reading it correctly, is with the idea that
wishing any
Brad DeLong wrote:
Yet another blessing we have received from Ralph Nader...
No, from Al Gore. If as many self-identified Democrats had voted for
Gore as self-identified Republicans voted for Bush, W would still be
governor of Texas.
Doug
And Nader was in their pitching, telling
And Nader was in their pitching, telling self-identified Democrats
not to vote for Gore...
Brad DeLong
As was 'Dubya; welcome to the world of free speech.
Ian
Except that Dubya is opposed to ergonomic rules. Nader is supposed to
like them--but he likes being a publicity
Except that Dubya is opposed to ergonomic rules. Nader is supposed to
like them--but he likes being a publicity hound more...
Brad DeLong
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Apologies, Michael.
Brad, grow up. Your Ivy League edumakation is showing.
Ian
Brad DeLong wrote:
Yet another blessing we have received from Ralph Nader...
No, from Al Gore. If as many self-identified Democrats had voted for
Gore as self-identified Republicans voted for Bush, W would still be
governor of Texas.
Doug
And Nader was in their pitching, telling
And Nader was in their pitching, telling self-identified Democrats
not to vote for Gore...
Brad DeLong
As was 'Dubya; welcome to the world of free speech.
Ian
Brad DeLong wrote:
Yet another blessing we have received from Ralph Nader...
No, from Al Gore. If as many self-identified Democrats had voted for
Gore as self-identified Republicans voted for Bush, W would still be
governor of Texas.
Doug
And Nader was in their pitching, telling
Shane Mage wrote:
Is it Nader's fault that the Gore-Clinton administration delayed,
obviously with intention, the promulgation of regulations vitally
important to working people, until their concessionary though fraudulent
successor could undo them with a stroke of the pen?
no. Further, it's
Brad DeLong wrote:
Yet another blessing we have received from Ralph Nader...
No, from Al Gore. If as many self-identified Democrats had voted for
Gore as self-identified Republicans voted for Bush, W would still be
governor of Texas.
Doug
I wrote:
George Dubya, the titular head of the US state, recently got headlines by
okaying the veto by Congress of Clinton-era ergonomic rules in the
workplace. I wonder: isn't part of this reversal Clinton's fault? After
all, Big Bill left this proposal to the end of his years, so that its
The regs were initially proposed by the Repugs, under Eliz Dole's
Secretaryship at Labor, during the reign of Bush I. --jks
though I don't want to get into this Nader/Gore
debate, it must be said that Clinton handled these
executive orders in his characteristically cute
and opportunistic way.
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