Re: [Fwd: Swans' Release: July 19, 2004]

2004-07-19 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/04 5:23 PM Michael wrote: i've a hunch that some left interest in nader is reflection of absence of actual left alternatives, as panelist at forum i attended in ann arbor said yesterday: 'he's best known option, lousy way to develop actual left alternative... I think

Re: [Fwd: Swans' Release: July 19, 2004]

2004-07-18 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/04 3:46 PM http://www.swans.com/ July 19, 2004 -- In this issue: http://www.swans.com/library/art10/lproy17.html The Case for Nader-Camejo - by Louis Proyect Unlike the DLC-backed candidates of recent years, Nader is not afraid to represent himself as an old-fashioned

Re: [Fwd: Swans' Release: July 19, 2004]

2004-07-18 Thread Louis Proyect
Michael Hoover wrote: another panelist referred with reverence to eugene debs, well i dig debs too but real importance at that time was neither his 6% of prez vote in 1912 or million votes he got in 1920 while in prison, more significant was over 1300 - mostly local - elected socialists prior to

Re: [Fwd: Swans' Release: July 19, 2004]

2004-07-18 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael wrote: i've a hunch that some left interest in nader is reflection of absence of actual left alternatives, as panelist at forum i attended in ann arbor said yesterday: 'he's best known option, lousy way to develop actual left alternative... I think that those who are seriously interested

Re: [Fwd: Swans' Release: July 19, 2004]

2004-07-18 Thread Craven, Jim
Michael wrote: i've a hunch that some left interest in nader is reflection of absence of actual left alternatives, as panelist at forum i attended in ann arbor said yesterday: 'he's best known option, lousy way to develop actual left alternative... I think that those who are seriously

Re: [Fwd: Swans' Release: July 19, 2004]

2004-07-18 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/04 4:33 PM Michael Hoover wrote: another panelist referred with reverence to eugene debs, well i dig debs too but real importance at that time was neither his 6% of prez vote in 1912 or million votes he got in 1920 while in prison, more significant was over 1300 -

Re: [Fwd: Swans' Release: July 19, 2004]

2004-07-18 Thread sartesian
I've stay out of this discussion, to everybody's relief (and my own), but is it possible that anyone can really endorse voting for a national Democratic candidate as progressive, or even the lesser evil? I guess so, but it takes a complete disavowal of history to do so. It takes a deliberate

Re: [Fwd: Swans' Release: July 19, 2004]

2004-07-18 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/18/2004 5:05:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've stay out of this discussion, to everybody's relief (and my own), but is it possible that anyone can really endorse voting for a national Democratic candidate as progressive, or even the lesser

Re: [Fwd: Swans' Release: July 19, 2004]

2004-07-18 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/18/2004 4:33:01 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Response Jim C: "The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." (Josef Stalin) Comment This is true and how it playsitself out in real life and

Re: [Fwd: Swans' Release: July 19, 2004]

2004-07-18 Thread Carrol Cox
sartesian wrote: I've stay out of this discussion, to everybody's relief (and my own), but is it possible that anyone can really endorse voting for a national Democratic candidate as progressive, or even the lesser evil? I guess so, but it takes a complete disavowal of history to do so. It