I think in all Hakki's veiws on how society reverts to a patriachial tribal social order in times of crisis, and overall disarticulation are well presented. I really do not know enough about the presonal history of Ocalan and now i do not think that this matters in this context since we know the
I
didn't open the can of worms willingly, as you will recall. My position is: Know
the man for what he is, but the less said the better.
I don't
advocate the condemnation of Ocalan or the PKK at this point since the Kurds of
the Southeast have chosen him as their leader for better or
soula avramidis wrote:
I think in all Hakki's veiws on how society reverts to a patriachial
tribal social order in times of crisis, and overall disarticulation are
well presented.
There was nothing of the sort presented here. This was what we heard
from Hakki:
Paradoxically, the forcible and
|| -Original Message-
|| From:Louis Proyect
||
|| Paradoxically, the forcible and violent disbanding of Indian tribes
|| during the founding years of the republic probably helped this process
|| and was thereforely ultimately beneficial to both the Indians and the
|| Americans.
What
Hakki Alacakaptan wrote:
What Indians? They were exterminated. Or do you equate the disruption of
feudal society with the American indian genocide?
Of course. I am not a social Darwinist. I am opposed to Walt Rostow
modernization schemas even when they are cloaked in Marxist rhetoric.
The notion
: Hakki Alacakaptan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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|| From:Louis Proyect
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|| Paradoxically, the forcible and violent disbanding of Indian tribes
|| during
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In the United States alone there are over 100 tribes with populations
over one thousand and a total population of over
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a footnote to Ken's post, at the time the Europeans invaded
North America the total aboriginal population in what is now
Canada is estimated at approximately 500,000. If that figure is
close to correct, then there are now three times or more aboriginals
in Canada than
On Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 17:16:56 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes:
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As a footnote to Ken's post, at the time the Europeans invaded
North America the total aboriginal population in what is now
Canada is estimated at approximately 500,000. If that figure is
close to correct, then there are now
much so, a contemporary issue.
Paul
Paul Phillips,
Economics,
University of Manitoba
Date sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:16:56 -0500
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|| -Original Message-
|| From: Louis Proyect
||
||
|| Hakki:
|| You read what the best of the Turkish Marxist left thought of
|| Ocalan. Now
|| let's see what investigative reporter Ugur Mumcu had to say. In
|| 1993, Mumcu
|| was working on his book The Kurdish Dossier in which he said
Hakki:
Never heard of Mumcu eh? You're scoring big today. Anyway, since you're
obviously slightly less receptive to evidence than Perle is to Blix, I'll
call it a day. If anyone's interested in the rest, you got my email.
Actually, your best bet would have been to forward information from a
|| -Original Message-
|| From: Louis Proyect
|| Hakki:
|| Never heard of Mumcu eh? You're scoring big today. Anyway, since you're
|| obviously slightly less receptive to evidence than Perle is to
|| Blix, I'll
|| call it a day. If anyone's interested in the rest, you got my email.
||
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