Re: Re: unemployment corruption

2000-10-11 Thread Jim Devine
This discussion is getting very repetitive, so I shortened it. I wrote: More importantly, I don't see why anyone has to choose between Brezhnev and Putin. Why can't we reject both? Louis responds: Because postcapitalist economies function like trade unions--they offer working people

Re: Re: Re: unemployment corruption

2000-10-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Jim Devine: Not all of them do. Look at Pol Pot's Democratic Kampuchea, which replaced one ravage for another. No matter how many the Khmer Rouge killed, it's more than in the average capitalist country. No socialist revolution here. Is this the only choice? what about if the TDU were to

Re: Re: Re: Re: unemployment corruption

2000-10-11 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: Not all of them do. Look at Pol Pot's Democratic Kampuchea, which replaced one ravage for another. No matter how many the Khmer Rouge killed, it's more than in the average capitalist country. Louis writes: No socialist revolution here. why not? it sure seems to fit the standard

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: unemployment corruption

2000-10-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Jim Devine: why not? it sure seems to fit the standard definition: peasants take power (under the leadership of a party that is organized along "Leninist" lines, i.e., as a top-down hierarchy of the sort that became popular under Stalin) and the state takes over the means of production.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: unemployment corruption

2000-10-11 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 10/11/00 6:08:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me a clear case of bad socialism (though it shouldn't be used to say anything about socialism in general). I can't remember any details, but Michael Vickery had a discussion of this topic