This is very sad. I have no idea what is at stake. The other letter
that I saw also had endorsements from people that I respect. All that I
know is that I hope that Sasha the other people at KPFA continue their
good work. I am very dependent on the information that I get off the
station.
I
mail.ru is behaving spastically, so I resubbed using yahoo.
Sigh. Louis, I personally know people who were ethnically cleansed from Chechnya. They were raped, had their apartment confiscated, and left Chechnya on foot.
It took me all of 45 seconds on google to find a reference to the very
A short entry on corrupt conservatives and neoliberals who talk left
and walk right (borrowing the title of Patrick Bond's new book):
Talk Left, Walk Right,
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004_04_01_montages_archive.html#108304110866702307.
--
Yoshie
* Critical Montages: http://montages.blogspot.com
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
At 4:07 PM -0800 3/26/04, Devine, James wrote:
people do often reply to polls by saying what they feel they ought to say.
They often do even under normal circumstances in the United States
(e.g., Americans overstate their church attendance).
Doug and Joel ought to
Doug and Joel ought to remember that Iraq is *under foreign military
occupation conducting counterinsurgency warfare* with censorship,
checkpoints, house raids, arbitrary arrest and detention, no due
process, etc. -- i.e. Iraqis do not have freedom of speech.
I'm not sure why I'm being
To see the notes of a talk I just gave to the Progressive Alliance at
Santa Monica College, see
http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine/talks/SMC03-16-04.htm. Thanks to Doug
Henwood, who found an (obvious!) error in my calculation of the profit
rate in my first graph.
Jim
Jim:
Clicking on your talk, I get file not found.
Do you know what happened?
Joel Blau
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Clicking on your talk, I get file not found.
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Joel Blau
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LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31
Wed Mar 10 2004 13:15:26 ET
Air America Radio, a progressive talk radio network, announced today it
will hit the airwaves on March 31st. Air America Radio is launching in the
top U.S. markets with leading talent that will provide compelling
Title: Strait-Talk
Several months ago I circulated a note to some people regarding a friend of mine, John Locke, who was working on completing his masters project that involved making a documentary that examines the bias of perceptions (exacerbated by the media, academics, governments etc
Diane Monaco wrote:
Where your income tax money really goes.
http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm
[27 percent]:
Current Military, $459B:Military Personnel $99B, Operation and
Maintenance $133B, Procurement $68B, Research and Development $58B,
Construction $6B, Family Housing $4B, Retired Pay
US miracle is based on longer hours for less pay
Doug Henwood
Monday February 2, 2004
The Guardian
In the late 1990s the US was famous across the globe for its New Economy.
Computers had unleashed a productivity miracle, recessions were relics of
a transcended past, ideas had replaced things as
I got an e-mail this morning from a parishioner about an online poll
being taken by the American Family Assn. about homosexual marriage,
the results of which they are going to submit to Congress.
The parishioner hoped that if enough people responded in favor, the
whole thing might
The poll seems to have to backfired on the American Family Association.
Two days ago, a constitutional amendment banning homosexual marriage led
75% to 20%. Now, support for gay marriage has catapulted into the lead
by something like 149,000 to 145,000 votes.
Joel Blau
joanna bujes wrote:
For your information, here are the notes of a talk I gave to a bunch of
Rotarians yesterday:
http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine/talks/rotarians12-03.htm.
I didn't get a chance to ask them if they'd read Sinclair Lewis' IT
CAN'T HAPPEN HERE.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED
http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=1388017
Unions and Politics
Aug. 7, 2003
All nine democratic presidential hopefuls wooed the AFL-CIO convention
this week, but union membership stagnates. Meanwhile, Verizon and its
union workers struggle over job security and health care.
Dear Dubya-Dubya III Duce bin Ledeen,
Unlike your designated demon, Saddam Hussein, India and Pakistan have nukular
weapons of mass destruction. Maybe after taking
out Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia, you'll have enough cruise tomahawks and humvees
left for a quick sweep across the sub-continent?
More on Ledeen, poster child for U.S. imperialism,
as recounted by Josh Marshall:
This is the quote from Michael Ledeen, from this morning's event at AEI,
which I noted in the previous post.
The quote came in response to a question from the floor, asking how many
casualties the American public
All is Possible without Moi
PEOPLE POWER DEFEATS TYRANNY IN KENYA
a talk by KOIGI WA WAMWERE
newly elected member of the Kenyan Parliament
SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 2, 7 p.m.
At African Services Committee
429 West 127th St.
New York, NY 10027
(between Morningside and Amsterdam; if coming from
November 17, 2002
News Release
For more information:
Call John Rowntree, (916) 446-1758
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Jim Craven To Talk On Marxism And Indigenous Struggles In Sacramento
Jim Craven, a professor of economics, will give a talk
For those of you who are interested or haven't yet made plans for this
Wednesday evening - I'll be doing a talk on Corporate and Wall Street
Conflicts of Interest (the love / hate relationship). It's at the New
School, part of the CEPA (Center for Economic Policy Analysis) program:
6:00-7:30
Title: talk about a revolving door!
from the L.A. TIMES, July 17, 2002:
Eric Haseltine is moving from one top secret organization to another.
Walt Disney Co.'s chief of research and development is leaving to become head of research for the National Security Agency, which uses
are aimed at
encouraging them to lessen the tension along the border, both in
Kashmir and elsewhere, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told
reporters in Washington on Wednesday.
Rumsfeld said he had spoken to Indian Defense Minister George
Fernandes and expected to talk to him again soon.
State
The New York Times
May 23, 2002
Indian Leader's Threat of War Rattles Pakistan and the U.S.
By BARRY BEARAK
NEW DELHI, May 22 Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee told
Indian soldiers along the tense frontier in Kashmir today to
prepare for a decisive battle against terrorism, words powerful
Due to the kind invitation of Yoshie Furuhashi and Keith Kilty, I presented
a talk on the current economic situation in historical perspective at the
Student International Forum and Social Welfare Action Alliance at Ohio State
University in Columbus, OH, on Thurday, May 16. My (slightly revised
Can her talk be put on the webv?
April 6, 2002
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ROXANNE DUNBAR-ORTIZ TO SPEAK ON INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS AT THE MARXIST
SCHOOL OF SACRAMENTO
, author and professor, will give a talk
International Human Rights on Thursday, April 18 at 7 p.m. in the Green
Room at the Sierra 2 Center, 2791 24th Street, Sacramento.
Dunbar-Ortiz talk is part of the Point of View: Challenging Perspectives on
Current Issues speaker series sponsored
The word overproduction in itself leads to error. So long as the most
urgent needs of a large part of society are not satisfied, there can of
course be absolutely no talk of an over-production of products - in the sense
that the amount of products is excessive in relation to the need for them
You still don't get it. Even if there is enough demand takes up 100%
of the production, the profitability drops because the stuff can be
produced cheaper, but the firms who invested in the
oldertechnmologies have these huge sunk costs taht they cannot nake
back.
Still don't understand how we
on 2/6/02 04:02 AM, Karl Carlile at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JKS: Rubbish. We can say, as I do, that capitalsim is exploitative, unfair,
and
unnecessary, and needs to be replaced, without adiopting a value framework.
Not adopting that framework does not stuck us with demanding only higher
Karl: Dountlessly Justin can say what he likes. However that is neither
here nor there and of no political or ideological significance. That Justin
thinks otherwise is neither here nor there too. . . . It is not enough to
claim that capitalism is exploitative. It must be explained how it is
labor intensive
production techniques are going to have trouble making money. But we
don't have to talk about value, least of do we have to say that
value is a quantity measured by SNALT.
But you just described the whole loss from moral depreciation in
terms of labor, though not SNALT.
This is short
Justin writes:
. Or (2) (as Rakesh suggests) there is athe moral deprecaition line,
the idea that value explains crisis.
Crisis is explained on the basis of the law of value, not by
reference to moral depreciation at all. In fact I did not suggest
that moral depreciation explains crisis at
From: Rakesh Bhandari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:22469] Re: : Value talk
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:46:46 -0800
Justin writes:
. Or (2) (as Rakesh suggests) there is athe moral deprecaition line,
the idea that value explains crisis
with me.
I don't seewhat value talk adds to it.
I don't understand how else to conceptualize moral depreciation.
Perhaps the tradition to which you are committed does a good job by
dealing with fixed capital as a joint product? I don't know. It is a
genuine question.
As I have shown here
Justin: A degenerating research program often doesn't have a single fatal flaw. It
just runs out of steam, spends all of its time trying to fix up internal
problem, doesn't geberate new hypotheses and predictions and theories. I
think that is a pretty good description of what has happened in
Cmon Justin, you spent years thinking through value theory, and you
have very strong opinions. In fact one could easily have the
impression that you think value theorists are desperate and inward
turning.
True, I did, and I came to certain conclusions, expressed here and in my
published work.
on 2/7/02 04:37 AM, Justin Schwartz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Rakesh Bhandari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:22469] Re: : Value talk
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:46:46 -0800
Justin writes:
. Or (2) (as Rakesh suggests
on 2/7/02 05:34 AM, Charles Brown at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Justin: A degenerating research program often doesn't have a single fatal
flaw. It
just runs out of steam, spends all of its time trying to fix up internal
problem, doesn't geberate new hypotheses and predictions and theories. I
As a result of moral depreciation, the older means of production as
use values have not changed; nor has the concrete labor embodied
therein changed. What changes is the the aliquot of homogeneous,
social, and abstract labor time represented by those means. The key
here is the duality of
You still don't get it. Even if there is enough demand takes up 100%
of the production, the profitability drops because the stuff can be
produced cheaper, but the firms who invested in the
oldertechnmologies have these huge sunk costs taht they cannot nake
back.
Still don't understand how
In response to Christian:
As a result of moral depreciation, the older means of production as
use values have not changed; nor has the concrete labor embodied
therein changed. What changes is the the aliquot of homogeneous,
social, and abstract labor time represented by those means. The key
A few quick notes on value theory
To begin with, the major insight from value theory comes from understanding
social relations. Direct authority relations exist in feudal societies.
The value relations control behavior under capitalism. I agree with what I
think Rakesh means in saying that
CB: We don't need new hypotheses and predictions and theories until we
finish the project of overthrowing capitalism and initiating socialism.
Theory for the sake of theory, generation of theory for only the sake of
theory is an especially bad idea in the historical sciences.
Charles, that's
You still don't get it. Even if there is enough demand takes up 100%
of the production, the profitability drops because the stuff can be
produced cheaper, but the firms who invested in the
oldertechnmologies have these huge sunk costs taht they cannot nake
back.
Still don't understand how we
Justin,
a short reply.
the disallowing of qualitative change in outputs and inputs and
setting them equal in price by assumption seems to make analysis
inherently static. This is why these assumptions are hotly contested.
As far as I can tell, this is just a way of reminding us that any
R, I think we have reached the point of diminishing marginal returns. I
agree with Fred Guy: the work on the LTV for a century has been a
desperate, inward-turning attempt tos how that it can be made coherent in
the face of increasing masses of fatal objections, and it's not doing real
work.
R, I think we have reached the point of diminishing marginal
returns. I agree with Fred Guy: the work on the LTV for a century
has been a desperate, inward-turning attempt tos how that it can be
made coherent in the face of increasing masses of fatal objections,
and it's not doing real work.
Justin, you expect us to move on after you characterize my attempts
as inward turning--this is exactly what the Marxian law of value is
not!
Well, I'm out of energy, anyway.
And these are not the points I am after, as should be clear to
you after years of debate. There is a willful ignorance
Value talk
by Justin Schwartz
05 February 2002 15:30 UTC
R, I think we have reached the point of diminishing marginal returns. I
agree with Fred Guy: the work on the LTV for a century has been a
desperate, inward-turning attempt tos how that it can be made coherent in
the face
I thought I was pretty mild.
Referring to your interlocutor as desperate and inward turning is
clearly not mild, but I suspect that I shall be blamed for the rancor
on the list as I was supposed to take the heat for Paul Phillips'
explosion.
Moreover, note that I raised the question
to have trouble making
money. But we don't have to talk about value, least of do we have to say
that value is a quantity measured by SNALT.
Does Brenner agree that he does not use value theory? As far as I
can
see, he is in part saying that the full value of commodities could
not be realized due
JKS: Rubbish. We can say, as I do, that capitalsim is exploitative, unfair, and
unnecessary, and needs to be replaced, without adiopting a value framework.
Not adopting that framework does not stuck us with demanding only higher
wages.
Karl: Dountlessly Justin can say what he likes. However
labor intensive
production techniques are going to have trouble making money. But we
don't have to talk about value, least of do we have to say that
value is a quantity measured by SNALT.
But you just described the whole loss from moral depreciation in
terms of labor, though not SNALT
Justin,
Let me leave aside problems with this alternative neo Ricardian
method, e.g., it assumes no qualitative differences between output
and inputs and no adverse natural shock to gross output (bad harvest)
Why aren't these routine simplifications?
so that the assumption of input
Yoshie: I agree with Rakesh. One of the points of thinking in terms of
value
is, I think, to overcome the limit of economism. That is, thinking
in terms of prices wages alone can only tell us how one segment of
workers fare in comparison to others, as well as whether the
purchasing power of
... if you want to point out that there's exploitation going on. you
don't need the
LTV to do this
I'm not entirely sure why one would merely want to point out that
exploitation
is going on in capitalist society. In theory, it seems to me that this is
a static
approach to reality. In
A reasonable objection. Actually I don't think it's uninteresting,
but I don't think the way it gets deployed in Capital is ultimately
useful or necessary. I do think that it plays an important role, but
not an exclusive one, in explaining the dynamics of market
economies; Marx treated the
.
This is important too, although workers also knwo that they lack job
security. Anyway, as Brenner shows, you can also restate Marxian crisis
theory without value talk.
jks
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thinking in terms of value allows us to discover the objective
basis.
Karl: Yes. This is precisely the problem with the radical left on the
Argentinian crisis. They confine politics to the limits of price and
wages. Instead transcending those bourgeois limits to the real limits
that entail
Justin writes:
Why? The question is, what work does this alleged quantity do?
Are you saying social labor time is alleged quantity like centaurs?
Or are you asking me what does labor in fact do?
No, the quantity exists, but so does the quantity that consists of
the average ifference between
Justin writes:
It does no real theoretical work. Whatw ork does labor value do, if
virtualy the entire apparatus ofg Marxism theory can be restated
without it?
Now yes Steedman argues that one can go straight from the physical
production data and a uniform real wage to the determination
Rakesh writes:
It does no real theoretical work. Whatw ork does labor value do, if
virtualy the entire apparatus ofg Marxism theory can be restated
without it? Moreover, and more crucially, whatw ork has it done?
People haves pent overa century trying topatch up the theory. But
there have
Why? The question is, what work does this alleged quantity do?
Are you saying social labor time is alleged quantity like centaurs?
Or are you asking me what does labor in fact do?
No, the quantity exists, but so does the quantity that consists of
the average ifference between the heights of
This is partial; I actually do have have wage labor to perfoem here.
let's be clear that even Roemer is ultimately
interested in the appropriation of labor by one class of another.
At least5 he used to be. Though he'dsay he was interested in unjust
inequality between the classes.
I said:
Bush vows to rid the world of evil. What does that entail? The first
mission is homeland defense. To that end he will call up 50,000
reservists. The impending war will result in many deaths of American
soldiers, and further strikes against Americans at home. The situation
is useful to the
September 7, 2001 For more information:
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GEORGE WRIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE U.S. RULING CLASS AT THE MARXIST SCHOOL OF
SACRAMENTO
George Wright, professor of political science at California State
University, Chico
See http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine/talks/LMU-econ071701.htm to see the
notes on the talk I gave yesterday on the state of the US economy. Comments
are welcome.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Hi Penners:
FYI.
Seth
April 8, 2001 For more information call:
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ELIZABETH MARTINEZ TO TALK ABOUT BUILDING UNITY AMONG PEOPLE OF COLOR AT THE
MARXIST SCHOOL OF SACRAMENTO
Elizabeth Martinez, director
What sort of inequality at the Marxist School of Sacramento is he talking
about? Gender or race imbalance among faculty? Isn't it time for action and
not talk. Marxist schools should set a good example :)
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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CHARLES ANDREWS TO TALK ABOUT ENDING 30 YEARS OF INEQUALITY AT THE MARXIST
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Charles Andrews, a Bay Area activist and the author of two books
support of Gore instead of Green Party presidential
candidate Ralph Nader was discussed during the question-and-answer period.
Fletchers talk was sponsored by the Marxist School of Sacramento.
Seth Sandronsky
Sacramento
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FRANCES BEAL TO TALK ABOUT GLOBALIZATION AND RACIAL POLITICS AT THE MARXIST
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Frances M. Beal, the National Secretary of the Black Radical Congress
September 27, 2000 For more information:
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BILL FLETCHER, JR. TO TALK ABOUT THE LABOR MOVEMENT IN THE NEW MILLENIUM AT
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Bill Fletcher, Jr., Assistant to the President
at purpose. But at the same time, they
also remind us in the Left that sometimes we have proved unable to communicate
with the masses effectively. How many Leftist writers write tracts that even
college graduates can't read, let alone textile workers or shoe-shine boys?!
Meanwhile the religious p
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From: Abu Nasr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 25 May 2000 16:33
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Dear Comrades!
I've been conscious of the outrageous biases openly expressed by the
imperialist
Abu-Nasr, Comrade, your knowledge of the communist activism in the Arab
world is more profound than mine. I don't know the sects in details
since they are very much related to other factors such as religion
(Shiite vesus Sunni) and ethnicity.. Is Amal, the Communist Party, part of
Hizb Allah? To
btw, Carrol, thanks for posting Nasr's views here..
Mine
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:19586] [Fwd: [CrashLis
The Suicide of New Left Review
by Boris Kagarlitsky
For forty years, New Left Review was a symbol for the radical
intelligentsia throughout the world. The articles carried in it were more
successful or less so, and the points of view presented in it were
astonishing for their superficial
Though the Hong Kong movie industry folks had been anxious about the return
of Hong Kong to China, apparently the HK movie industry has lately fallen
into dire straits not because of nominal communism of China but because of
enterprising pirate video makers. Meanwhile, Hollywood has
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Perhaps this may be, besides being a political dialectic between
competition monopoly, an example of contradiction between the impulse to
privatize anything everything and the need to sustain the conditions for
systemic reproduction of capitalism.
Absolutely. I
of course, US vulgar movies are strongly penetrating into the markets of
other countries, rapidly taking control over their film industry through
cultural imperialism. It is difficult to escape this given that film
industry is a capitalist sector everywhere. But, for sure, we had better
movies
at all to the
spread of capitalist ideology. Too many workers are lost in a swamp of
consumerism and meaningless leisure. Their dissatisfactions lead them
into the arms of the purveyors of the snake oils of religious
fundamentalism, white supremacy, talk show punditry, and militias.
Unions are so invi
true, Ken. this neo-classical treatment of private property and patent
rights is very problematic due the assumption of the perfectibility of
free market. In fact, the neo-classical opposition to patents (of Friedman
type) is very self-contradictory and ideologically obscurantist. If
patents are
Mine Aysen Doyran [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/02/00 09:19PM
Michael Parelman wrote:
Today, United States depends on the sale of goods protected from
competition by intellectual property rights. Not surprisingly, three of
the four richest people in this country are associated with one of these
Rand insists that labor is not the source of value. Instead, the entrepreneur
is. Thus, patents reward the entrepreneurial spirit.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
yeah, exactly, I reminded this, but I may misinterpret Rand too since I
am not quite sure about the context of his discussion..
Mine
Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/02/00 09:34PM
Mine Aysen Doyran wrote:
michael, i thought intellectual property rights were central to the
principles of the free market.
Not really. People, such as Hayek, were against intellectual property rights,
since they granted a monopoly to
Charles Brown wrote:
CB: Seems to me that these quotes from Rand make clear how bourgeois ideology is
necessarily idealist ( and working class ideology materialist).
Exactly.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL
Ken,
If the production of knowledge is left to the profit maximizing corporations, then
they probably need something like a patent in order to induce them to do
anything. However, knowledge and information are inappropriate candidates for
commodity status because of the difficulty of enforcing
Michael wrote:
If the production of knowledge is left to the profit maximizing
corporations, then
they probably need something like a patent in order to induce them to do
anything.
I posted an article to pen-l awhile back where the author argued that
instead of giving a patent-type monopoly to
The proposal came from Michael Kremer. It makes some sense, but it has
limits too. Here is the short mention of Kremer in my book on
intellectual property, which is about 60% done.
Michael Kremer has suggested an interesting procedure to reward
the production of intellectual property while
Yes and no. Property rights in general are essential but specific property rights not
so. Capitalism is notorious for protecting the "property" of some but not that of
others. There are few property rights in jobs. I could claim a property right on an
idea, but not on my lungs. All sorts of
Michael, I expect better from you.
Ken,
If the production of knowledge is left to the profit maximizing corporations, then
they probably need something like a patent in order to induce them to do
anything.
Patents are a lot older than that, of course, and are protected in the Constitution.
Perhaps you expect too much.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michael, I expect better from you.
Here is a section from my book in progress -- minus good formatting:
Despite the present acclaim for intellectual property, critical
analysis of this subject is not particularly new. Patents were
Rod Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/00 01:26PM
Yes and no. Property rights in general are essential but specific property rights not
so.
CB: Essential and definitional to capitalism is private property in the basic means of
production. So, I agree with you.
I think it is
Hello Charles. I totally agree with your interpretation of Rand, but, hey
look Hayek is no less bourgeois than Rand. Since I did not know enough
about Rand, I was commenting on Hayek. Hayekian postulates about free
market economy are totally inconsistent with socialism or any form of
social
Mine,
Yes, I didn't mean to endorse Hayek.
Charles
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/00 03:44PM
Hello Charles. I totally agree with your interpretation of Rand, but, hey
look Hayek is no less bourgeois than Rand. Since I did not know enough
about Rand, I was commenting on Hayek. Hayekian postulates
In a message dated Mon, 3 Apr 2000 1:53:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael Perelman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perhaps you expect too much.
The history is interesting, and no doubt the extent to which ideas are treated as
property varies withthe political winds, like everything else.
Oh,
An interesting post. It is only in the case of MonsantoGM
seeds sold with a TUA (Technology Use Agreement) that
the analogy with licencing applies. Even at that there are
important differences. Seeds are discrete objects and are
consumed in production of the plant. Programs can be used
over and
Yes, the idea of a use agreement for seeds strikes me as odd.
An interesting post. It is only in the case of MonsantoGM
seeds sold with a TUA (Technology Use Agreement) that
the analogy with licencing applies. Even at that there are
important differences. Seeds are discrete objects and
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