Michael Perelman wrote:
I forgot about the Poole speech. It sounded dramatic, then
everyone poo-pooed it [is that ok, Ken] so I forgot about it.
Your sub-contextualization of a previous concretization of thought in
relation to the Pooh-ization of post-modernization is a micro-critical
I have
my own experience with psychosis and psychoanalysis and I do not think
psychoanalysis is a science. It is a tool to deal with certain psychical
problems, just like medicine is not a science in the sense that physics is a
science. The so called social sciences, marxism included,are
Renato Pompeu:
The so called social sciences, marxism included, are also not
sciences in the sense that physics is a science.
I agree with this in the sense that it is better to call social
sciences social thought. But along the same lines, natural
sciences can be called natural thought, as
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
I'm a little unclear on the point here. You're expected to use
double-blind test in social scientific research.
Well, okay. I guess so. But Freud was not really involved in such a
thing. His output consisted of two main areas. One, very broad
theorizing about the
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:50:44 -0700, Devine, James
wrote:
I noticed
that a major element of Crews' critique of
Freudianism (in the New York REVIEW
OF BOOKS a few years ago) is that it can't be
falsified (following Popper's
criterion). Unfortunately, this seems to apply to
_all_ of social science
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Skewering stilted language and theory: F. Crews
Sabri writes: I agree with this in the sense that it is better to call social sciences social thought.
in middle school (a.k.a., Junior High), they call it social studies. That makes sense.
Jim
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Skewering stilted language and theory: F. Crews
DD writes:
But as I have pointed out before, not, of course, to
the paradigmatic example of a Popperian social science,
astrology. Unlike any other social scientists, the
astrologers provide me with twelve succinct, specific
Jim D. must be a Libra.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 07:02:45AM -0700, Devine, James wrote:
the predictions of astrology are too vague to be tested or falsified.
(They're much vaguer than those of Milton Friedman's codification of
monetarism, for example, which currently is seen as largely
Porter, Theodore M. 2001. Economics and the History of Measurement in
Judy L. Klein and Mary S. Morgan, eds. The Age of Economic Measurement
(Durham and London: Duke University Press): pp. 4-22. 9: In contrast
astrology developed what was considered to be very important information.
Astrology
Title: RE: [pr-x] Neoliberal think tanks and the harm they do
Mike Lebowitz sent me the following. I agree that the dirty dozen of neo-liberal foundations have been crucial, but their lobbying (etc.) has fallen on fertile ground: in the 1970s, the US and other rich capitalist countries faced
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:39:21 -0700, andie nachgeborenen
wrote:
I'm a little unclear on the point here. You're
expected to use double-blind test in social
scientific research
I'm assuming you mean medical research here; I'm
entirely unsure how you'd define the concept of a
double blind in social
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Skewering stilted language and theory: F. Crews
No, I'm more fishy than that.
Jim
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Jim D. must be a Libra.
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Skewering stilted language and theory: F. Crews
DD wrote
I'm assuming you mean medical research here; I'm
entirely unsure how you'd define the concept of a
double blind in social sciences research, most of which
is not experimental.
FWIW, academic psychology involves a
This law was a good law when it was applied to Cuba and more recently to
Saddam H.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Title: Re: Skewering stilted language and theory: F.
Crews
Astrological theory is testable, but not in either of these
modes.
Predictions must be based on individual horoscopes and
refer
to specific dated events. The kind of test I have in mind
would
be based on the fact that everyday throughout
The last sentence is a provocation to someone who wrote a 400+ page doctoral dissertion arguing that there are no differences in kind between the so called natural and the so called social sciences, only differences in degree that are no greater than the differences between the so called natural
FWIW, academic psychology involves a lot of
experiments, as does so-called behavioral economics
Asking non-rhetorically, is psychology a social science
and if so why? I tend to call the social sciences
economics, sociology and political science, the idea
being vaguely that these three commit you
Popper never through that individual hypotheses could be falsified atomistically; his discussion of holism in Conjectures and Refutations is very early and very good. Others got entangled in this dumb debate because they couldn't read or felt that they needed something to argue about. Anyway, the
Clearly the Iraqis get no say in how their economy is to be structured or
who owns it. Convicted criminals such as Chalabi will get their share no
doubt. That will be the Iraqi input.
Cheers, Ken Hanly'
US-led coalition pushes for early privatization in Iraq
19 minutes ago
BAGHDAD (AFP) - The
Before you start on this route, you have to read Crews. He doesn't proceed from an a priori conception of scientific method. He doesn't have impossibly high standards. He doesn't have illusions and other social science. Above all, he is detailed and precise about specific psychoanalyticla clams
1) US plays aid card to fix war crimes exemption
2) War crime vote fuels US anger at Europe
3) State Department Reeker: ICC Article 98 Agreements
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,975416,00.html
US plays aid card to fix war crimes exemption
Ian
Well, as far as I can see all is not science that is
theoretical knowledge. Philosophy is not science. In
this sense, social sciences and physics have no
difference in kind, but in degree, and I agree with your
dissertation. There are different degrees of knowledge;
to some of these degrees we
http://www.independent.org/tii/news/030612Higgs.html
Suppose You Wanted to Have a Permanent War
by Robert Higgs*
I'll concede that having a permanent war might seem an odd thing to want,
but let's put aside the why question for the time being, accepting that
you wouldn't want it unless you
Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
andie nachgeborenen wrote: I'm a little unclear on the point here. You're expected to use double-blind test in social scientific research.Well, okay. I guess so. But Freud was not really involved in such athing. His output consisted of two main areas. One,
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Stiglitz on central banks
Well, part of the problem right now is
that
indeed labor productivity is continuing to rise
at a very high rate, so high that although GDP
is rising at a not-unrespectable rate, employment
is falling.
Barkley Rosser
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andie nachgeborenen wrote:
I used to be a lot
more agnostic about psychoanalysis, and I have a very liberal, almost
Feyerabendian notioon of what counts as science, but Crews convinced
me that psychoanalysis is a fraud as science. As philosophy, that's
another story. jks
in a very
Devine, James wrote:
Sabri writes: I agree with this in the sense that it is better to
call social sciences social thought.
in middle school (a.k.a., Junior High), they call it social
studies. That makes sense.
I believe this gives too much credit as it were to physics. I think
biology
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From: andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Popper never through that individual hypotheses could be falsified
atomistically; his discussion of holism in Conjectures and Refutations is
very early and very good. Others got entangled in this dumb debate because
they
This is one more reason I am happy to be a lawyer. I don't have to be respectful to tedious ongoing conversations in philosophy that ought to have been ended years or decades ago, merely because you can't drive astake through theirhearts in the journals. I am getting more Rortyian every day about
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From: andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is one more reason I am happy to be a lawyer. I don't have to be
respectful to tedious ongoing conversations in philosophy that ought to
have been ended years or decades ago, merely because you can't drive a
stake
Anyone organizing an anti-occupation contingent at your local Pride
Parade (on June 28 or 29) this year?
Here's a picture from Tel Aviv in 2001:
http://www.metimes.com/2K1/issue2001-26/reg/gay_israelis_give.htm.
Photos from the NYC Pride Parade 2002:
http://www.coyotecomics.com/blacklaundry.html.
Thursday, June 12, 2003
Boeing gets its way in Olympia
By ANGELA GALLOWAY
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER CAPITOL CORRESPONDENT
OLYMPIA -- Majority House Democrats acquiesced to business and GOP demands
for sweeping cuts in Washington's unemployment benefits last night, and
the Legislature wrapped up
ravi wrote:
i do not know as much as i need to about prevalent paradigms in
psychoanalysis, but it seems to me that in its successful attempt to
gain a monopoly in a particular space (thus stamping out a plurality of
viewpoints), it has also successfully imitated the other sciences.
Carrol Cox wrote:
Actually, psychoanalysis has virtually disappeared from psychiatry and
serious neuro-science. It survives only in literary criticism and among
those marxists Timpanaro described as believing the Freud never made a
mistake. Fewer and fewer medical schools have psychoanalysts on
Title: To: AEA Members
Guess what I heard about
Shleifer being appointed JEL editor
was a false rumor. Now that this appears to be the case,
I don't
remember where I heard it, unless of course, this is just a
ruse
and he is the shoo-in, already selected.
Barkley Rosser
- Original
Yes, the
conjuncture of capitalism made neo-liberal solutions attractive to
capital, but it was not inevitable that they would be chosen. Not only
the coherent and determined efforts of right-wing foundations and
neo-liberal ideologists but also the incoherent and confused efforts of
the left
I'm not getting that Rortyian. For reasons that are obscureto me, I still find it worthwile to talk about philosophy of science, even about Popper. What I'm saying sfw to is the point of a concession I am -- and Popperwas -- happy to make, but which some critics seem to regard, mysteriously, as
Anyone going to the Black Radical Congress Conference War Racism and
Repression: Confronting the U.S. Empire (June 20-22, 2003) at Seton
Hall University, South Orange, New Jersey:
http://www.transafricaforum.org/events/brc_conf0603.shtml?
--
Yoshie
* Calendars of Events in Columbus:
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From: andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not getting that Rortyian. For reasons that are obscure to me, I
still find it worthwile to talk about philosophy of science, even about
Popper. What I'm saying sfw to is the point of a concession I am -- and
The Lewis Powell memo seems to have set off the whole right wing think
tank boom.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crews is most famous for authoring the
magnificent
satire, _The Pooh Perplex_, several decades ago.
It
presents a series of analyses of the
Winne-the-Pooh
books from a variety of academic literary
perspectives,
one of which is Freudian. It is hilarious, much
better
than any pomo and well
http://www.swans.com/
June 9, 2003 -- In this issue:
Mulling over the stories that permeated the prating crowds for the
past week or so -- the Middle East Road Map with a ride herd
vision-thing, the once-ubiquitous weapons of mass destruction turned
MIA in Iraq, Iran's nuclear program, Martha
Anyone going to the Al-Awda Annual Convention (June 20-22, Toronto)?
I know there's a number of Canadians on this list.
* Al-Awda Annual Convention
Al-Awda,the Palestine Right to Return Coalition, calls on all
supporters of justice and Palestinian rights, to come together at its
first
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Skewering stilted language and theory: F. Crews
I wrote:
FWIW, academic psychology involves a lot of
experiments, as does so-called behavioral economics
DD:
Asking non-rhetorically, is psychology a social science
and if so why? I tend to call the social sciences
andie nachgeborenen writes:Before you start on this route, you have to read Crews.
He doesn't proceed from an a priori conception of scientific method. He doesn't
have impossibly high standards. He doesn't have illusions and other social
science. Above all, he is detailed and precise about
Title: RE: psychoanalysis
[was: Skewering stilted language and theory: F. Crews]
Carrol writes: Actually, psychoanalysis has virtually disappeared from psychiatry and serious neuro-science. It survives only in literary criticism and among those marxists Timpanaro described as believing
RE: psychoanalysisMy cousin is a philosopher and psychoanalyst. He is
associated with a hospital in Toronto as well as the U of Toronto unless he
is retired by now. Here is a piece on truth in psychoanalysis. I always
thought that there were other theories of truth than just the correspondence
Ds2UP: wrote:
I'm assuming you mean medical research here; I'm entirely unsure how
you'd define the concept of a double blind in social sciences research,
most of which is not experimental.
And even in the medical context, I think that the demand that
psychoanalysis use double blind tests would be
Carrol wrote:
Actually, psychoanalysis has virtually disappeared from psychiatry and
serious neuro-science. It survives only in literary criticism and among
those marxists Timpanaro described as believing the Freud never made a
mistake. Fewer and fewer medical schools have psychoanalysts on their
Hari Kumar wrote:
I can tell you
buckets, oodles of luvverly are charged to Ontario Health
Insurance (OHIP - forget what the frigging P is all about - ?Plan) for
'pschyotherapy' otherwise known in the rough trade as hitting the wallet
HARD.
Psychotherapy is not equivalent to
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/vforum/03/modern_iraq/index.html
This will probably be a mixed bag with people like Gary Sick included, but
might have some interesting data to consider nonetheless.
Louis Proyect, Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Freud Lives!
Carrol writes: Psychotherapy is not equivalent to psychoanalysis; few
psychotherapists (who usually have either an MA or a Ph.D. in clinical
psychology) are psychoanalysts and no psychoanalysts would ever
self-identify as a psychotherapist. I have heard of
http://www.ecb.int/pub/pdf/mb200306en.pdf
This seems to be standard terminology now. Any armed resistance to the
occupation of Iraq is termed terrorism. Although some press reports put the
term in scare quotes its effect is not changed. Here we have Orwell in
2003.'
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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From: Hari Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
By the way:
Is Ian is still reading - thx for your reply! But the poor benighted
ML-ist [Hereafter PBML-ist] did not get what it/she/he wanted. So - yes
that quotation was certainly expressive of Popper. What i was driving at
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This seems to be standard terminology now. Any armed resistance to the
occupation of Iraq is termed terrorism. Although some
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