Bush's body language in Europe

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Burford
UK media, to be honest BBC and Guardian, report Bush's latest visit to Europe in the context of his campaign trail. Guardian had a comic photo of him doing a power walk in lock-step with Ahern in the context of visit to Ireland so short it was obviously only for the purpose of election videos.

Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Burford
Much as I think Joseph Green argues his case carefully and is right to criticise the violations of human rights that occurred under Stalin's leadership, the apparently mindless clearing of the Chechens and others in 1944, while to be condemned, needs to be understood, and put in the context of

Re: Malthus Was Wrong

2004-06-29 Thread soula avramidis
Malthus was not the first to differentiate between food supplies and population growth, that was almost received theory at the time. Malthus argued for small govenment. Long before Malthus tackled the “poor law” in England with his hands off welfare approach,[1] the discourse relating small

Re: More progress in Russia

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
This article misstates the situation (but then it's only a wire story). What is happening is that the government is going over from a system of giving benefits (like free public transportation) to giving monetary supplements to targeted groups (pensioners, heroes of the Soviet Union or Russia,

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
However I am really arguing that if we try to study historyconcretely, as well as with a flaming heart, we have to interpretthese national questions not only from the point of view of theinterests of the international unity of working people, but also fromthe point of view of economic viability

Re: More progress in Russia

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
This gives the other side of the story: Tuesday, June 29, 2004. Page 1. Veterans, Disabled Slated for Extra AidBy Caroline McGregor Staff Writer Budget money allocated for World War II veterans will be 20 times greater and 10 times greater for the disabled, President Vladimir Putin said

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
I suspect much as I disagree with the oppression of the Chechens now,and consider it disastrous for the unity of the people of the world,since they are seen as representatives of muslim people oppressed bychristians, I suspect that hidden away in current Russian analysisthere are details about

Re: Thomas Sowell

2004-06-29 Thread Laurence Shute
Michael Perelman wrote: Some of Sowell's early stuff on Say's law was pretty good. Then he became more of a right wing hack. Reagan tried to get him to be Sec. of Education. Now his most appears as a syndicated right wing ideologue. Jim's critique was excellent. I agree with both: Jim's analysis

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part three

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
Actually, I answered this question. Chris just didn't like my answer. Ofcourse, I was referring to how to deal with a series of problems in theCaucasus, not just the Dagestani events used by Putin as a pretext to renouncethe peace accords with Chechnya, to declare that a Russian puppet government

Re: More progress in Russia

2004-06-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Cash grants are far easier to cut. First you make them means tested. Then you denigrate the less influenial people who depend on the grants as undeserving Of course, the money for WW II veterans should be in decline because of demographics. On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 03:25:04AM -0700, Chris

Re: More progress in Russia

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
I think the big issue is that the payments aren't indexed to inflation. Like I said, I haven't done the math it would be necessary to do to see the effect of the changeover for good or ill (I've seen the figures for the amounts of payments, but don't know the cash value of the benefits).Michael

Low Taxes Do What!?

2004-06-29 Thread Charles Brown
Why is he a hack? The man turns out a book every year on far-ranging topics. His writings on international affirmative action and cultural migrations are first-rate. He writes a popular syndicated column that is clear, informative and entertaining. He is a true public intellectual.

The presidential election and the Supreme Court

2004-06-29 Thread Louis Proyect
(One of the main excuses of the ABB crowd for backing the pro-war, DLC, Joe Lieberman wannabe John Kerry is that we need to reverse the rightward drift of the Supreme Court. Leaving aside the question of John Kerry announcing that he is amenable to the nomination of ultraconservative judges,

Re: Malthus Was Wrong

2004-06-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Malthus did not give a hoot about population. Nor did he even consult the census. His dad was sort of radical. He wrote the first essay in a few days to prove that you could not make society better because population growth would absorb any incremental improvements. Later, he worried about

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
On Chechnya and the modern nation state/finance capital: Actually, Chechen radical ideologists such as Nukhayev are explicitly anti-modernist and believe that the Chechens should live like their ancestors did, live in tribes and herd goats and raid. A few years ago he was invited to Moscow to

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote: On Chechnya and the modern nation state/finance capital: Actually, Chechen radical ideologists such as Nukhayev are explicitly anti-modernist and believe that the Chechens should live like their ancestors did, live in tribes and herd goats and raid. This kind of

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
Somebody should tell Counterpunch that Putin has no son. He has two daughters. --- A couple of years ago Vladimir Putin journeyed to the American Southwest to take his natural son on an initiation ritual. The boy's mother is now an American citizen. Do you Yahoo!? New and

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote: Somebody should tell Counterpunch that Putin has no son. He has two daughters. In fact I just sent a note to Jeff St. Clair to remove it from the website. In any case, it has about as much accuracy as your describing Nukhayev as recommending to the Chechens that they make their

Re: Low Taxes Do What!?

2004-06-29 Thread Bill Lear
On Monday, June 28, 2004 at 18:33:12 (-0700) David B. Shemano writes: He is a hack because he is a popularizer? ... He is a hack because he writes well-punctuated, superficial drivel. Bill

FW: element of surprise shocker

2004-06-29 Thread Devine, James
INSPIRED BY IRAQI HANDOVER, BUSH HOLDS U.S. ELECTION FOUR MONTHS EARLY Element of Surprise Cited As Bush Romps to Victory [by Andy Borowitz] Inspired by the early handover of sovereignty in Iraq, President George W. Bush employed the element of surprise once more last night, holding the U.S.

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
Actually, Chechen radical ideologists such as Nukhayev are explicitly anti-modernist and believe that the Chechens should live like their ancestors did, live in tribes and herd goats and raid. This kind of characterization reminds me of James Robertson, leader of the Spartacist League,

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
Read Klebnikov's book. Have you ever heard of Nukhayev? -Original Message- From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:34:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Chechnya and capitalism Chris Doss wrote: Somebody should tell Counterpunch that Putin

Re: Thomas Sowell

2004-06-29 Thread Devine, James
Once or twice, I've jokingly told my department chair (who's African-American) that he could have made Big Money if he'd gone right-wing. There's truth there, though it's very rare that someone actually chooses their political orientation as one would choose a dessert. The conservatives _love_

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
Hot damn, Nukhayev even has a website (with part of it "in inglish" (sic)). Yeah, this is superprogressive: No matter how blasphemous it may seem, I have to comment that the Russians, by embarking on their latest war, helped us to avoid the fate of being turned into a state and of having a

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Louis Proyect
So where does he recommending raiding as a way of life? Or did you just make that up? Chris Doss wrote: Hot damn, Nukhayev even has a website (with part of it in inglish (sic)). Yeah, this is superprogressive: No matter how blasphemous it may seem, I have to comment that the Russians, by embarking

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
Read the book!Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where does he recommending "raiding" as a way of life? Or did youjust make that up?Chris Doss wrote: Hot damn, Nukhayev even has a website (with part of it "in inglish" (sic)). Yeah, this is superprogressive: No matter how blasphemous it may

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Let's keep it nice! On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 07:08:06AM -0700, Chris Doss wrote: Read the book! Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:So where does he recommending raiding as a way of life? Or did you just make that up? Chris Doss wrote: Hot damn, Nukhayev even has a website (with

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
I know. For some reason, the cheap shots always seem to come from one direction.Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no need to relate this way. Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Michael Perelman
There is no need to relate this way. On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 10:03:03AM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: So where does he recommending raiding as a way of life? Or did you just make that up? Chris Doss wrote: Hot damn, Nukhayev even has a website (with part of it in inglish (sic)). Yeah,

Re: Thomas Sowell

2004-06-29 Thread Michael Perelman
I think that Sowell, like Powell, has Caribbean roots. Sometimes, they look down on those whose ancestors were slaves here. I am sure someone here knows more about this than I do. Glen Lowry could not maintain his right wing discipline. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
And here he is apologizing for the quaint custom of blood revenge. We can cite many examples of how the state destroys blood ties, and even their genetic framework, not to mention their spiritual content. Those who watch TV and read newspapers will understand what I’m speaking about: abandoned

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote: And here he is apologizing for the quaint custom of blood revenge. And the Old Testament calls for an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. In any case, I can only conclude that he does not advocate raiding at this point. That's progress. -- The Marxism list: www.marxmail.org

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Michael Perelman
It is a shame that so much information is mixed with the personal stuff. Joseph laid out a fairly non-controversial time table. Maybe Lou and Chris could each lay out a list of their key points of agreement disagreement. For example, I think that all concerned agree that Yeltsin made things

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Michael Perelman wrote: It is a shame that so much information is mixed with the personal stuff. What is so personal about demanding that he back up his slander about raiding? The main excuse of the Kremlin for its criminal war is that it is rooting out bandits. -- The Marxism list:

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Perelman, Michael
Lou, demanding does not work or belong here. I think that Chris is going to unsub because of this mode of communication. You can disagree. You can supply other facts. The non-personal part of the dialogue is useful; the personal part is not. -Original Message- From: PEN-L list

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Perelman, Michael wrote: Lou, demanding does not work or belong here. I think that Chris is going to unsub because of this mode of communication. Excuse me? Chris Doss: Dammit, answer my question. What should Russia's reaction have been two armed incursions by jihadi gunmen? Sit there and take

[Fwd: The myth of the self-made millionaire]

2004-06-29 Thread ravi
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/yhoo/story.asp?guid=%7BB4FBCBBD-1278-4421-889C-1D4B7982B9C3%7Dsiteid=myyahoodist=myyahoo The self-made myth Societal support key to much wealth creation, report says By Thomas Kostigen, CBS.MarketWatch.com Last Update: 8:55 PM ET June 28, 2004 SANTA MONICA,

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Doss
Maybe some people should take their own advice. But please do take me off the list, Michael. Louis Proyect lnp3 at panix.com Tue May 4 16:35:29 MDT 2004 Previous message: [Marxism] My credentials? Next message: [Marxism] My credentials? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [

Re: More progress in Russia

2004-06-29 Thread Waistline2
Budget money allocated for World War II veterans will be 20 times greater and 10 times greater for the disabled, President Vladimir Putin said Monday as he tried to win support from a skeptical population for his plans to replace

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 6/29/2004 8:55:08 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is cities, alienating people from one another and from the natural way of life, which faultlessly and uninterruptedly manufacture the biological raw material needed by the state: all these

Re: Capitalism and the environment - seems interesting

2004-06-29 Thread Waistline2
The DSP's major work on the environment is now available online athttp://www.dsp.org.au/dsp/ECS/index.htmContents: Chapter 1. The threat to human survival http://www.dsp.org.au/dsp/ECS/Chapter1.htm 1. Destroying the biosphere 1. The atmosphere: greenhouse, acid rain and ozone depletion 2.

Condi Does Michigan State

2004-06-29 Thread Brian McKenna
Hi All, Just wanted to let you know that Harvey Wasserman's Bob Fitrakis' The Free Press published my piece today. . .it's another chapter in the annals of higher ed corruption. http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/20/2004/705 Brian

Re: Thomas Sowell

2004-06-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Laurence Shute wrote: It looks like he made his right turn around then. An interesting ambiguity. Right turn means turn to the right or the right turn to make. :-) Carrol

Re: presidential election

2004-06-29 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/22/04 3:29 PM Is the Nader campaign the best way to build the mass movements we need? jd no election campaign is 'best' way to build mass movements, they are too periodic episodic, too narrowly focused, running a campaign 'to make a point' (or points) is self-defeating,

Gloves Off -- Summer 2004

2004-06-29 Thread Ruth Indeck
Gloves Off Summer 2004 Issue http://www.glovesoff.org/ In our last issue, Gloves Off presented the first installment of "Perspectives on the Global Justice Movement" http://www.glovesoff.org/features/globaljustice_1003.html, with views from Latin America, Europe and the US on the

FW: A right hook in the Washington Times

2004-06-29 Thread Devine, James
FYI From: James K. Galbraith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friends, Today's effort is co-authored with the supply-side brigand, Jude Wanniski, and appears in the notorious Washington Times. Jamie http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20040628-092019-6437r.htm Rate hike reservations By James

Re: Chechnya and capitalism

2004-06-29 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 6/29/2004 8:19:03 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "What would happen if the Old World, or more concretely Russia, will abdicate from the rules of dynamics, from the technological race, in favour of the rules of static? Let's examine this question

The Green Party Missing the Walter Cronkite Moment

2004-06-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Missing the 'Walter Cronkite Moment' (an eloquent indictment of the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars in the May 3rd issue of Sports Illustrated -- a Walter Cronkite moment that the Green Party missed): http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/06/missing-walter-cronkite-moment.html -- Yoshie * Critical Montages:

Meat Tags

2004-06-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Meat Tags (about marines tattooing dog tags on their bodies): http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/06/meat-tags.html -- Yoshie * Critical Montages: http://montages.blogspot.com/ * Bring Them Home Now! http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/ * Calendars of Events in Columbus:

Korean victory over privatisation

2004-06-29 Thread Eugene Coyle
Korea recently effectively ended the move to privatize the electric power system. Privatization had been driven by the usual IMF/WB pressure, and steps had been taken down that path. A recent decision ended the move toward privatization. I was there last week for a symposium on the issue which

Re: Sowell's right turn

2004-06-29 Thread Laurence Shute
Carol Cox wrote: Laurence Shute wrote: It looks like he made his right turn around then. An interesting ambiguity. Right turn means turn to the right or the right turn to make. :-) Sorry, just hasty writing; no ambiguity or talmudic questioning intended. :-) Sowell is a bright guy and it was

Re: Korean victory over privatisation

2004-06-29 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg
Gene, that is a great victory. Can you shed any light on why privatization of electricity is now off the agenda while privatization of other key services remains on that agenda. In other words, the decision to cancel privatization of the electric power system obviously does not represent a

Re: Thomas Sowell

2004-06-29 Thread David B. Shemano
Laurence Shute writes: "I agree with both: Jim's analysis of Sowell's article was great. And some of Sowell's early stuff was quite good. For example, "Marx's 'Increasing Misery' Doctrine," American Economic Review, March 1960, pp. 111-120. I think I recall that Sowell had trouble finding a

the Lump redux

2004-06-29 Thread Tom Walker
As some Pen-l oldtimers may recall, in the late 1990s I embarked on a quest for the locus classicus of the oddly-named lump-of-labour fallacy. I eventually identified an article by D.F. Schloss as the source. Now, it turns out, the critique of the fixed amount of work, if not the whimsical name