RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Chinese desertification; disappearing bluecrabs

2000-07-31 Thread Adam . Stokes
And when you take it further away from locally defined jurisdictions to the high seas, where its a real free for all, the tragedy of the commons is still very relevant. The debate (among fisheries people at least) then revolves around the instruments that can be used to successfully counter the

[PEN-L:26 Chinese desertification

2000-07-31 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
It's more complicated than that. The tragedy of the commons is real. But many communities developed effective ways of combating the tendencies and avoiding its effects. That does not mean the tendencies are not real and that the effects do not occur. The problems we have with overfishing are a

Too many peaches

2000-07-31 Thread Seth Sandronsky
PEN-L, Destroying peaches while many go without food says volumes about the system, no? People can understand this failure of capitalism even if they've been brainwashed to equate Marxism with murder. Seth Sandronsky Week in Review By Mark Glover Bee Staff Writer (Published July 30, 2000) A

Re: Chinese desertification; disappearing bluecrabs

2000-07-31 Thread Michael Perelman
I should have been more clear. The Tragedy of the Commons suggests that environmental destruction comes from the lack of property rights. There is a group in Montana that suggests that all environmental problems can be solved by giving property rights to private owners. Supposedly, if I owned

BLS Daily Report

2000-07-31 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, JULY 27, 2000 TODAY'S RELEASE: The Employment Cost Index (not seasonally adjusted) for June 2000 was 148.0 (June 1989=100), an increase of 4.4 percent from June 1999. The Employment Cost Index (ECI) measures changes in compensation costs, which include wages,

Re: Re: Chinese desertification; disappearing bluecrabs

2000-07-31 Thread Louis Proyect
My point, which Jason mostly understood, many pre-market societies [before markets became dominant, not without markets altogether] developed methods of avoiding the problem of over-exploitation. -- Michael Perelman Keep in mind that there is an intensive campaign right now to discredit this

RE: Re: Chinese desertification; disappearing bluecrabs

2000-07-31 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Michael, In Hardin's scenario, there already is private property rights: "As a rational being, each herdsman seeks to maximize his gain. Explicitly or implicitly, he asks, "What is the utility to me off adding one more animal to my herd?" So what you have under Hardin's schematic, in fact, is

BLS Daily Report

2000-07-31 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, JULY 26, 2000 Reflecting the U.S. economy's robust growth, 40 states registered personal income gains that stayed ahead of inflation, according to the Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis. The states posting the largest gains in personal income between

Too many pears, was Too many peaches

2000-07-31 Thread Eugene Coyle
A week ago Friday The White House, over the signature of Al Gore, announced that the administration would buy something like 1.2 million cases of pears -- over-supply. The pear farmers weren't getting a high enough price to even pick the pears. The govt. will distribute the pears to schools,

Tragedy of the Rockfish

2000-07-31 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Monday, July 31, 2000, 12:00 a.m. Pacific Northwest rockfish face chancy future Monday July 31st 2000 by Hal Bernton Seattle Times staff reporter Part two of a two-part series. WARRENTON, Ore. - The skippers out of this Columbia River port take pride in their skill at catching Pacific

re: war in columbia

2000-07-31 Thread Timework Web
The measure of hawks 'n doves "editorial balance" in the traditional U.S. mode: Some observers say U.S. policy regarding military aid to Colombia is growing increasingly blurry, and can lead to the United States being drawn into the South American nation's 35-year civil war. But others

Re: RE: Re: Chinese desertification; disappearing bluecrabs

2000-07-31 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:48 AM 7/31/00 -0700, you wrote: In Hardin's scenario, there already is private property rights: "As a rational being, each herdsman seeks to maximize his gain. Explicitly or implicitly, he asks, "What is the utility to me off adding one more animal to my herd?" So what you have under

Re: Too many pears, was Too many peaches

2000-07-31 Thread Ken Hanly
That seems a much better solution than bulldozing peach trees. A program similar to the pear program for peaches would make more sense. I recall with gratitude that as a poor student in Eugene Oregon my family had access to a program that distributed all kinds of surplus products: canned meat,

Re: Too many pears, was Too many peaches

2000-07-31 Thread Jim Devine
At 08:48 AM 7/31/00 -0700, you wrote: A week ago Friday The White House, over the signature of Al Gore, announced that the administration would buy something like 1.2 million cases of pears -- over-supply. The pear farmers weren't getting a high enough price to even pick the pears. The govt.

FYI: Income shifts in Canada and US

2000-07-31 Thread Bill Burgess
Statistics Canada The Daily. Friday, July 28, 2000 Income inequality in Canada and the United States 1974-1997 Income distribution patterns in Canada and the United States have diverged during the past 10 years despite free trade and increased economic integration between the two nations,

Re: FYI: Income shifts in Canada and US

2000-07-31 Thread Jim Devine
The folks at Statistics Canada wrote: However, in the top one-fifth of the income distribution, American families had disposable incomes more than 20% higher than their Canadian counterparts. In the top one-tenth of the income distribution, disposable incomes among American families were about

Napster tax avoidance

2000-07-31 Thread Jim Devine
July 30, 2000 / New York TIMES RECKONINGS / By PAUL KRUGMAN Facing the Music Napster's big mistake, clearly, was basing itself in California. It should have operated out of Jersey. Not the homeland of Bruce Springsteen -- I mean old Jersey, the island in the middle of the English

Re: Re: Re: Re: rational expectations

2000-07-31 Thread Doug Henwood
Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote: I guess this is what would be taken as a funny remark in Manhattan. For me it is just a demonstration that lack of confidence is expected in women, and that only exceptional "specimens" (sorry, Yoshie, just trying to be clear) escape it. As we say in Spanish, it

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rational expectations

2000-07-31 Thread Stephen E Philion
Nestor's sounding pretty orange these days... Steve On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Doug Henwood wrote: Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote: I guess this is what would be taken as a funny remark in Manhattan. For me it is just a demonstration that lack of confidence is expected in women, and that only

Re: Re: Re: Re: rational expectations

2000-07-31 Thread Doug Henwood
Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote: En relación a [PEN-L:2] Re: Re: rational expectations, el 30 Jul 00, a las 6:18, Doug Henwood dijo: Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: What does this say about the "male list" of economists? Dunno, but I've never noticed that a lack of confidence was one of your

Re: Re: Too many pears, was Too many peaches

2000-07-31 Thread Michael Perelman
I studies Ag. Econ at Berkeley. The people there and at Davis used to be expert in the economics of grading produce. They would figure out what is the minimum size of an olive or a peach to optimize returns for the agribiz types. Much of the early work in econometrics came out of this work.

irrrational (feminist) expectations

2000-07-31 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Over on M-Fem, this topic came up a while ago, and this is what Katha, for instance, had to say on the matter: I just picture that list going haywire with the publication of Sommers book showing that it is boys, not girls, who are discriminated against in schools; and that, as a recent

Re: Napster tax avoidance

2000-07-31 Thread Michael Perelman
I believe that that theory and the theory of moral hazard began long ago, maybe in the late 19th C. in the actuarial literature, although it was more recently rediscovered by K. Arrow. Jim Devine wrote: Anyway, my thought is that PK refers to the theory of adverse selection as being a

Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Studies have often shown that for every male diagnosed as suffering from depression, two to six times as many females are so diagnosed. Perhaps overconfidence (relative to actual capacities) in men are socially expected and economically rewarded (at least relative to women), hence

South Africa Privatization Protest

2000-07-31 Thread Ken Hanly
More sellouts; Ken Hanly Subject: JO'BURG GETS “SEATTLED” - Business Day Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:40:42 -0700 Business Day 13/7/00 JO'BURG GETS “SEATTLED” Holding up an unexploded orange water balloon like a trophy, water and forestry director-general Mike Muller

RE: Re: Napster tax avoidance

2000-07-31 Thread Max Sawicky
Random sample of two -- Wildasin's text on public finance discusses adverse selection. So does Mankiw's principles text. I suspect it is treated in most public finance books. One can't give a complete discussion of market failure without it. mbs Jim Devine wrote: Anyway, my thought is

Re: RE: Re: Napster tax avoidance

2000-07-31 Thread Jim Devine
At 04:32 PM 7/31/00 -0400, you wrote: Random sample of two -- Wildasin's text on public finance discusses adverse selection. So does Mankiw's principles text. I suspect it is treated in most public finance books. One can't give a complete discussion of market failure without it. only Mankiw

Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread Louis Proyect
Duchesne: was this study done by the same people who told us that 150,000 American died of anorexia every year (a # higher than that of fatalities from car accidents!) For more false data propagated by womyn's depts, see Sommers Who Stole Feminism? How Women Have Betrayed Women. Sommers is

Re: Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: Duchesne: was this study done by the same people who told us that 150,000 American died of anorexia every year (a # higher than that of fatalities from car accidents!) For more false data propagated by womyn's depts, see Sommers Who Stole Feminism? How Women Have Betrayed

Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread Louis Proyect
was this study done by the same people who told us that 150,000 American died of anorexia every year (a # higher than that of fatalities from car accidents!) For more false data propagated by womyn's depts, see Sommers Who Stole Feminism? How Women Have Betrayed Women. One other thing,

Re: Re: RE: Re: Napster tax avoidance

2000-07-31 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:42 PM 7/31/00 -0700, you wrote: At 04:32 PM 7/31/00 -0400, you wrote: Random sample of two -- Wildasin's text on public finance discusses adverse selection. So does Mankiw's principles text. I suspect it is treated in most public finance books. One can't give a complete discussion of

Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Just because she works for AEI doesn't mean she's wrong. But in fact she's sloppy and devious. Laura Flanders fact-checked a lot of her claims in her last book and found them seriously undersourced, to put it mildly: I would not be surprised to find "undersourcing" in this book

Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Furthermore, the book that Sommers hates so much--Naomi Wolf's "The Beauty Myth"--is absolutely correct. Although Wolf probably doesn't analyze the underlying system that causes anorexia (as an adviser now to Gore, this should be obvious), it is clear that we are dealing with the

Re: Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread Doug Henwood
Ricardo Duchesne wrote: Just because she works for AEI doesn't mean she's wrong. But in fact she's sloppy and devious. Laura Flanders fact-checked a lot of her claims in her last book and found them seriously undersourced, to put it mildly: I would not be surprised to find

what is 'orange'?Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rationalexpectations

2000-07-31 Thread Stephen E Philion
el 31 Jul 00, a las 9:48, Stephen E Philion dijo: Nestor's sounding pretty orange these days... Steve Since the quip is on myself, what is this of "sounding orange", Steve? My English is not as good as I would like it to be. Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky Nestor, It refers to the

Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread Louis Proyect
Duchesne: Now I think you're pushing the commodification thing too far. Why would capitalisn need extremely thin women? I am afraid you don't understand my point. Chinese feudal society did not 'need' women with bound feet. We are talking about capitalist SOCIETY. The way a society operates is

Re: Re: Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread Jim Devine
At 06:16 PM 7/31/00 -0400, you wrote: I see it in my own classes ... : they [college students] seem out of place, lack confidence, not sure what they want, etc. I'd bet that college students, both male and female, have felt out of place, lacking confidence, etc. since the institution of

Re: FYI: Income shifts in Canada and US

2000-07-31 Thread Bill Burgess
Jim wrote: since much of the Canadian economy is owned by residents of the US, might we think of the top 1/5 (or better, the top 1/100) of the US economy as being the richest part of the Canadian distribution? Not sure why we might think this way. There are more Canadian billionaires than US

Re: irrrational (feminist) expectations

2000-07-31 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Ricardo wrote: That's why I have started skipping the whinny gender sections found in every chapter of every intro to sociology text you used I'd say that's a dereliction of your teaching duty (it amazes me that you seem to feel proud of publishing this fact in a left-wing e-list that is

Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread christian a. gregory
My own view is that this problem is (partly) due to the fact that the gay men who control the fashion are not interested in real women but prefer them to look asexual or androgynous. Oh yeah, all my straight male students barf when I mention Tyra Banks. But now I see it: they're all dupes of

Re: Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread Doug Henwood
christian a. gregory wrote: My own view is that this problem is (partly) due to the fact that the gay men who control the fashion are not interested in real women but prefer them to look asexual or androgynous. Oh yeah, all my straight male students barf when I mention Tyra Banks. But

Re: rational expectations

2000-07-31 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Actually there was serious content to what you perceived as a piece of wisecrack. Yoshie I have long argued over uncertainty and self-questioning. I think it's a good thing, and she doesn't. I like to quote a remark by an Australian scholar of cultural studies feminism, Catherine Driscoll,

Re: ICANN question

2000-07-31 Thread Bill Rosenberg
The following doesn't quite answer Michael's question, but it justifies his second concern and raises a few more about commercialisation. Michael Perelman wrote: If anybody here following what's going on with ICANN. I have a question. Suppose I have a web site that the something that

Re: RE: Re: Chinese desertification; disappearing bluecrabs

2000-07-31 Thread Michael Perelman
Interesting, Mark. My interpretation is that markets did not emerge naturally, although that is the ideology of capitalism. I do not mean to apply that you believed so. On the other hand, to denounce the ideology of the Tragedy of the Commons is not to suggest that reverting to pre-capitalist

Re: Re: rational expectations

2000-07-31 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Yoshie Furuhashi writes, Yoshie, I don't think it's a matter of whether "uncertainty" "self-questioning" are good things. The point is that we are basically incapable of self-criticism. We can't see our own blind spots, unless others (be they live human beings or

Re: Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread Ken Hanly
So what are we to conclude? Cheers, Ken Hanly Louis Proyect wrote: Duchesne: was this study done by the same people who told us that 150,000 American died of anorexia every year (a # higher than that of fatalities from car accidents!) For more false data propagated by womyn's depts,

Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations

2000-07-31 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
What are we to conclude? That even the Right have realized that they need to hire women like Christina Hoff Sommers once in a while, at least when they are putting down feminism, affirmative action, etc. We've come a long way, baby! Yoshie So what are we to conclude? Cheers, Ken Hanly

West Nile spraying = dead lobsters?

2000-07-31 Thread Louis Proyect
New York Times, July 31, 2000 Dejected Lobstermen Blame Mosquito Spraying in Crippling Die-Off By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN NORWALK, Conn., July 28 -- John Makowski is a fourth-generation lobsterman, or at least he was until the mysterious death of most of the lobster population in western Long

War in Colombia begins to escalate

2000-07-31 Thread Louis Proyect
The Associated Press, July 31, 2000 Colombian Rebels Besiege Town Filed at 11:35 a.m. EDT BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- Colombian troops flew in U.S.-made combat helicopters to a remote mountain town to battle rebels who attacked a police station and claimed to have killed nearly two dozen

Public health vs. private medicine

2000-07-31 Thread Louis Proyect
Public health vs. private medicine Laurie Garrett, author of "Betrayal of Trust," talks about the policy battle in America that allows disease to spread and people to die. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Dante Ramos July 31, 2000 | The world looks like a scary place through Laurie Garrett's eyes.