RE: Sliding into the dip

2002-08-19 Thread Davies, Daniel
Yes, although they usually do it by means of a cashback deal whereby you get money up front when you drive the motor away. -Original Message- From: Eugene Coyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 August 2002 16:36 To: Pen-L Pen-l Subject: [PEN-L:29530] Sliding into the dip Can the

RE: Re: war/election bet

2002-08-19 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29577] Re: war/election bet i don't know if I said this, but the bet was with the other Michael, who doesn't want to bite (or drink). Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: Michael Pollak [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Re: Rumours of war on Iraq

2002-08-19 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29582] Re: Rumours of war on Iraq michael Pollack writes:In the best case scenario from the Administration's point of view -- Iraq's army collapses immediately, Saddam dies, and (somewhat improbably) we succeed in finding and installing our impossible dream of a strong

RE: Re: RE: Re: production realization

2002-08-19 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29590] Re: RE: Re: production realization Ulhas: Thanks for replying. One more question, if you don't mind. How the US can have a capital-account surplus despite low interest rates? during the late 1990s, the reason was that the US stock market was so attractive,

The Anthrax Investigation

2002-08-19 Thread ken hanly
From BBC News Anthrax killer 'is US defence insider' Prof Don Foster analyses the anthrax letters An FBI forensic linguistics expert believes the US anthrax attacks were carried out by a senior scientist from within America's biological-defence community. Professor Don Foster - who helped

Dean Baker on the SM's redistributional effects.

2002-08-19 Thread Devine, James
Title: Dean Baker on the SM's redistributional effects. In the current issue of the ECONOMICS REPORTING REVIEW, Dean Baker says: It is also important to note that the stock market is redistributive, transferring wealth from those who hold little or no stock (approximately 75 percent of the

Bob Herbert on the criminal injustice system

2002-08-19 Thread Gar Lipow
I don't know if anyone has noticed. But Since July 29, Bob Herbert, in his NY Times op-ed Columns has been giving some of the examples of the oppressiveness of our criminal inustice system I've seen. His recent stuff belongs on the front page as investigative reporting. Unfortunately, NY

[Fwd re a new list on Water

2002-08-19 Thread Eugene Coyle
---BeginMessage--- Dear Subscribers, Thanks for subscribing to Public Citizen's Critical Mass Energy and Environment Program's Water For All list. This list will keep you up to date on the Water for All campaign to stop the national and international trend toward water privatization. The

RE: Dean Baker on the SM's redistributional effects.

2002-08-19 Thread Max B. Sawicky
It seems like this would follow straight-fowardly: 1. redistributing wealth tends to concentrate 2. trades of stock concentrate wealth because beneficiaries of trades (recipients of capital gains) tend to have higher wealth on average 3. more trading = more concentration 4. variability,

Re: RE: Dean Baker on the SM's redistributionaleffects.

2002-08-19 Thread Doug Henwood
Max B. Sawicky wrote: 2. trades of stock concentrate wealth because beneficiaries of trades (recipients of capital gains) tend to have higher wealth on average 3. more trading = more concentration Not necessarily. More trading generally means worse performance. The only wealth trading

More on the US buildup in the Gulf

2002-08-19 Thread ken hanly
From NY times International. American Arsenal in the Mideast Is Being Built Up to Confront Saddam Hussein By ERIC SCHMITT and THOM SHANKER ASHINGTON, Aug. 18 - In the first tangible signs of a logistical buildup around Iraq, the Pentagon is sending weapons and other supplies to the Middle

Re: production realization

2002-08-19 Thread Sabri Oncu
Jim wrote: Ulhas: Thanks for replying. One more question, if you don't mind. How the US can have a capital-account surplus despite low interest rates? during the late 1990s, the reason was that the US stock market was so attractive, while the US seen as a safe haven. The so-called new

RE: Noam Chomsky and his critics

2002-08-19 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29451] Noam Chomsky and his critics I finally finished this one and have a comment: Louis Proyect writes:Chomsky leaned at early date toward the Israel kibbutz as some kind of socialist experiment, long after the colonization intentions of the settlers had become obvious.

Re: RE: Noam Chomsky and his critics

2002-08-19 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: One of the first articles I read by Chomsky was in the San Francisco-based journal SOCIALIST REVOLUTION (now called Socialist Review, if it still exists) It's morph'd into Radical Society http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/titles/14760851.html, whose premiere issue is out,

RE: Dean Baker on the SM's redistributional effects.

2002-08-19 Thread Ellen Frank
I happen to be writing something on this very question, so while I can't speak for Dean, I do think his claim is essentially (though not necessarily) correct. To the extent that stock gains are realized, these realizations tend to generate an upward redistribution of income because: (1)

Re: Stiglitz interview

2002-08-19 Thread ken hanly
I don't understand what is meant by describing China as postcapitalist. If anything it seems to be post-communist objectively or post-socialist. It is capitalist enough to join the WTO and to have special economic zones that give special incentives for foreign investment capital including a

Re: Re: Stiglitz interview

2002-08-19 Thread joanna bujes
At 04:48 PM 08/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: was not particularly impressed by Stiglitz. He stands out only compared to the complete dolts at the IMF who are not only stupid but obviously arrogant and blind to reality, completely brain-washed by text-book economics and immune and unable to

RE: Dean Baker on the SM's redistributionaleffects.

2002-08-19 Thread Sabri Oncu
Doug wrote: Max B. Sawicky wrote: 2. trades of stock concentrate wealth because beneficiaries of trades (recipients of capital gains) tend to have higher wealth on average 3. more trading = more concentration Not necessarily. More trading generally means worse performance.

RE: Re: Stiglitz interview

2002-08-19 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29613] Re: Stiglitz interview Ken writes: I don't understand what is meant by describing China as postcapitalist... The mode of production of the People's Republic was post-capitalist in the sense that it came after the Nationalist period, which exhibited a mixture of

RE: Re: Re: Stiglitz interview

2002-08-19 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29614] Re: Re: Stiglitz interview Ken: was not particularly impressed by Stiglitz. He stands out only compared to the complete dolts at the IMF who are not only stupid but obviously arrogant and blind to reality, completely brain-washed by text-book economics and

Re: Stiglitz interview

2002-08-19 Thread Sabri Oncu
Ken wrote: He seems no less a market-worshipper than the others and certainly anti-Marxist ( ie. his remarks about the Marxist regime in Ethiopia --even though it certainly was no paradigm of Marxism.) Although I don't know about his remarks about the Marxist regime in Ethiopia, I agree

RE: RE: Dean Baker on the SM's redistributionaleffects.

2002-08-19 Thread Max B. Sawicky
I was thinking of both freq and volume. But basically I was talking through my hat. max Doug wrote: Max B. Sawicky wrote: 2. trades of stock concentrate wealth because beneficiaries of trades (recipients of capital gains) tend to have higher wealth on average 3. more trading =

Re: Re: Stiglitz interview

2002-08-19 Thread Louis Proyect
Although I don't know about his remarks about the Marxist regime in Ethiopia, I agree with the above, although I would have put it differently. Moreover, I don't think he is such a bad person, whatever that means. My appreciation of his speaking out against the IMF comes from the credibility

Re: Re: Re: Stiglitz interview

2002-08-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Stiglitz is important for another reason. He seems to be close to creating a consensus here. On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 06:58:39PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: Although I don't know about his remarks about the Marxist regime in Ethiopia, I agree with the above, although I would have put it

Re: RE: Dean Baker on the SM's redistributional effects.

2002-08-19 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Ellen Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 2:49 PM Subject: [PEN-L:29612] RE: Dean Baker on the SM's redistributional effects. I happen to be writing something on this very

RE: Re: Re: Re: Stiglitz interview

2002-08-19 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29621] Re: Re: Re: Stiglitz interview Stiglitz is important for another reason. He seems to be close to creating a consensus here. nah, he's ugly and his mother dresses him funny. ;-) JD

RE: Re: Stiglitz interview_Character of PRC

2002-08-19 Thread Hari Kumar
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29613] Re: Stiglitz interview ORIGINAL MESSAGES: 1) Ken writes: I don't understand what is meant by describing China as postcapitalist... 2) JD Replies: The mode of production of the People's Republic was post-capitalist in the sense that it came after the Nationalist period,

Japan

2002-08-19 Thread Ian Murray
Tokyo teaches painful lesson Japan's answer to recession could prove to be the envy of Europe and US Jonathan Watts in Tokyo Tuesday August 20, 2002 The Guardian 'If this is a recession, I'd like to have one in my constituency. These words, uttered by an incredulous British minister during a

Re::Stiglitz interview_Character of PRC

2002-08-19 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Hari Kumar: (1) IT si true that the COMPRADOR capital was expropriated: What is comprador capital in contemporary capitalism? We know productive capital, industrial capital etc. from their place in the accumulation process. What do compradors do in the accumulation process today? Is the term

Re: Re: Re: Stiglitz interview

2002-08-19 Thread ken hanly
Well you are no doubt right about that but as Stiglitz claimed most of these people actually believe they are doing the right thing in terms of development yet they are blind and arrogant even within their own narrow framework. Two examples: 1) The IMF favors countries with balanced budgets

Re: Re: Re: Re: Stiglitz interview

2002-08-19 Thread Carrol Cox
Ken, allow for the power of ideology. And in general it's strategically important not to explain the enemy in terms of intelligence. I always told my freshman comp students, if the idea you are attacking seems incredibly stupid and easy to demolish, consider seriously that you don't understand

obfuscating Brazil

2002-08-19 Thread Ian Murray
Brazilian, Bank Officials Plan to Talk Next Week Nation's Leaders Want Debt Rolled Over By John M. Berry Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, August 20, 2002; Page E01 Brazilian officials plan to meet in New York City next week, rather than today as some participants had expected, with

squeezing Iraq

2002-08-19 Thread Ian Murray
Report: US Firms Curtail Iraq Oil Imports Reuters Tuesday, August 20, 2002; 1:23 AM WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. oil firms have drastically cut imports of Iraq oil over the past five months contributing to a steep decline in Baghdad's exports, The Washington Post reported on Tuesday. The