A theoretical explanation of the foundations of a modern model of
neoclassical equilbrium, tolerance and the good society
What I omitted to say in reference to the ideology of tolerance Jim Devine
asked about, is that what this really refers to is negotiability, i.e. the
idea that everything is
Venezuela confronts the FTAA
Michael
A. Lebowitz (4 October 2003)
Our principle, announced Ramón Rosales (Venezuelas Minister of
Production and Commerce) is as much market as possible, and as much
state as necessary. What that statement, released at the September 2003
WTO meeting in
In a message dated 11/20/03 12:50:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why should I not kick their ass. Do you have kids or just stupid?Melvin, Michael Perelman is probably too busy writing his next book topay attention to this thread but I will not dignify your question with
Melvin, you oppose gay marriage. I think that we all understand that by
now. You are welcome to your opinion, but you should not get personal in
differing with those who differ from you. Nor should those who differ
with you get personal with you. So, please calm down. You made your
opinion
Hello All,
I am home today sick. For me, this is a sad moment. I don't look for times
like this to take stands they just seem to come to me.
When I was young I was assaulted many times as a queer. I didn't even know
what that meant. There are certainly many people like Melvin who are in the
Michael Perelman wrote:
My original point in mentioning the subject was that gay marriage gets
people emotional and prevents rational discourse. I did not expect that
observation to apply here on this list.
_Every_ issue of any importance to the left gets people emotional, or
ought to. And
I agree with everything that Doyle wrote and mostly agree with everything
that Carroll wrote. I take issue with his agreement with Lou's statement
that a Revolutionary party would have to expel Melvin.
I think that Doyle was closer to the mark. He seems to understand that we
need to learn to
Michael Perelman wrote:
I take issue with his agreement with Lou's statement
that a Revolutionary party would have to expel Melvin.
What I said is that if Melvin made remarks at a branch meeting like he made
here, he'd be brought up on charges. I know for a fact that lots of older
SWP'ers,
At the same time, we need to struggle against all injustice, and cannot
let toleration blind must to inequities. I wish I knew the formula to
achieve this.
The Irish formula, from what I understand of it, is that if toleration
blinds you to inequities, you get charged, whether you like it or
Michael wrote:
My original point in mentioning the subject was that gay marriage gets
people emotional and prevents rational discourse. I did not expect that
observation to apply here on this list.
Does that mean we could realistically look forward to the next American
elections as
Doyle Saylor wrote:
My only answer to that is the whole working class is the whole working
class. We cannot build a socialist society that does not acknowledge all
the different elements that build a society and builds a whole society.
Thanks,
Doyle
Well put.
Joanna
Carrol Cox wrote:
As Lou says, a revolutinary party that
did not expel Melvin would not be a revolutionary party.
Well, if a specific revolutionary party sought human liberation
irrespective of wether that human was straight or gay, I assume Melvin
would not join this party.
Solidarity is
Hi Yoshie,
You were less dismissive about my argument about advertising. One could
think it through from our point of view reading such books as:
- Media Hypnosis by Lonny Kocina (Mid-America Entertainment Inc., 2002),
- The Fall of Advertising and the Rise of PR by Laura and Al Ries
reviewed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/21/03 11:48AM
Michael Perelman wrote:
I take issue with his agreement with Lou's statement
that a Revolutionary party would have to expel Melvin.
What I said is that if Melvin made remarks at a branch meeting like he
made
here, he'd be brought up on charges. I know for a
'Shoot-to-kill' demand by US
Martin Bright, home affairs editor
Saturday November 15 2003
The Guardian
Home Secretary David Blunkett has refused to grant diplomatic immunity
to armed American special agents and snipers travelling to Britain as
part of President Bush's entourage this week.
In the
F A C I N G S O U T H
A progressive Southern news report
November 19, 2003 - Issue 66
Published by the Institute for Southern Studies and Southern Exposure
magazine. To join the Institute and get a year's worth of Southern
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Sports of The Times: A Teenager Handling the Adult World With Poise
November 20, 2003
By GEORGE VECSEY
FREDDY ADU is mature far beyond his 14 years.
When he makes a spin move on the soccer field, he leaves
opponents chomping on the turf, real or artificial.
Adu is also mature in the
What a wonderful story. It's reassuring that:
His mother tells him what to do. For the foreseeable
future, he will live at home in suburban Maryland, on her
say-so. In return, as man of the house, he protects her.
J.
In a message dated 11/21/03 8:12:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When I was young I was assaulted many times as a queer. I didn't even knowwhat that meant. There are certainly many people like Melvin who are in theleft and feel they are leftists. To them I am morally
In a message dated 11/21/03 9:30:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
recp 'comrades' used to kick shit out of gay rcp-er friend of mine for'bourgeois decadence' during 'maoist self-criticism'sessions...he remained member for number of years as this washappening... michael
Melvin wrote:
I maintain that at this juncture of history homosexuality is propagated by
the bourgeois and part of the decay and degeneracy in society.
The Bolsheviks were outspoken supporters of gay rights. Not only did
the Soviet Union abolish all laws against homosexual acts in December,
1917,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Further, with the acceptance of homosexuality in society a number of
social issue arise... ... I teach them that homosexuality is
primarily - not exclusively, learned behavior. ... I maintain that
at this juncture of history homosexuality is propagated by the
Doyle Saylor wrote:
My only answer to that is the whole working class is the whole working
class.
what is the working class, in terms of unique characteristics or use
characteristics that help lend it definition? i am truly puzzled: i go
to work each day. i am part of the yuppie privileged
In a message dated 11/21/03 11:04:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let me repeat this with emphasis: the Soviet government did not viewsame-sex relations as being in any way *sick* or *perverted*. It didnot promote homosexuality, nor did it condemn it. This is all
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Expel Melvin because he thinks different from me. And my wrong thinking and
political assessment is really Stalinism. Because Stalinism did something back
n the 1930s. Forget the economic and social content of the times and the
political maneuver. The issue is sodomy.
--- joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carrol Cox wrote:
As Lou says, a revolutinary party that Solidarity
is not the logic of an idea. I repudiate
what Melvin is
saying because I don't agree with himnot because
PEN-L solidarity
(whatever that means) requires that I do so.
Joanna:
Reefs at risk after Disney film
David Fickling in Sydney
Friday November 21, 2003
The Guardian
A booming trade in aquarium fish, sparked by Finding Nemo, the Disney film
featuring clownfish, is endangering the wildlife of the Vanuatu
archipelago in the South Pacific.
Over the past year about
I think that the debate with Melvin has gone on long enough. Let's call
it finished.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 11/21/03 11:44:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i have snipped out all the hand-waving (why, some of my best friends aregay! in fact some of them hit on me!) arguments. i want to hear thefactual basis (outside of the anecdotal evidence that is given) of
In a message dated 11/21/03 2:21:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think that the debate with Melvin has gone on long enough. Let's callit finished.--Michael PerelmanEconomics DepartmentCalifornia State UniversityChico, CA 95929
Sorry I sent another article before I read
As far as I am concerned, Justin's position is correct. What people always
forget in these disputes about reformism and revolutionism is that the
classical debates about this topic, which occurred in Europe, between
Kautsky, Bernstein, Lenin, Luxemburg and so on, took place in a historical
context
On November 20, two explosions rattled Istanbul, pushing the price of
oil up to $32/bbl. Eventually, the
rally receded:
It's hard to sustain prices at this level,'' said Marshall Steeves,
an analyst with Refco
Group Ltd. in New York. There has to be a constant stream of
unsettling news
Michael brought the Berrigans up in the Thread-That-Will-Not-Be-Named.
I'd like to underline that point, even though it was only originally
mentioned in the context of Catholics and that dogma (and all its
facets, liberation theology, etc.). Raised a Catholic, I appreciate
reading about what they
Although the thread degenerated, one point I appreciated was Melvin's
ability to transcend his abhorrance of gay sex to show solidarity with a
gay worker.
Almost everybody had useful contributions to the thread, amidst the heat
and excessive verbiage.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
Haven't read Nizan yet, but maybe the Iraq campaign was more of a
Goldfinger move. Remember Goldfinger? He wanted to render all the gold
in Fort Knox radioactive so that _his_ gold would be worth more.
One view of the war holds that it was over control of oil. This
translates in a lot of people's
I did not oppose Gay marriage and I do not have to agree with anyone on the politics of maneuver. I oppose the state and my statements are very clear. Although I abhor homosexuality I have never raised it as an issue but responded to the politics of entrapment by the bourgeoisie.
The list is a
ravi wrote:
what is the working class, in terms of unique characteristics or use
characteristics that help lend it definition? i am truly puzzled: i go
to work each day. i am part of the yuppie privileged class. there's a
guy wearing a union t-shirt who installs furniture in my building. am i
in
Joanna wrote:
It's interesting,in this regard, to note that all
fictional plots involving the rich and the poor
changing places, always have a capitalist trade
places with a beggar...not a worker.
Today, yes, often so. Not always so...
One of my fave old movies is the Devil and Miss Jones...
joanna bujes wrote:
I also take deep umbrage (I've always wanted to use that phrase) at your
characterizing the tonga driver as a wife beater. The notion that the
poorer part of the working class is more violent is very untrue in my
experience. There's plenty of domestic violence among the
Maybe you mean domesday book
[TR Introduction] The first approach to a modern assessment roll or
cataster is the well known Domesday Book. The existing literature on
this remarkable memorial is so extensive, that it has not appeared
advisable to quote largely from it. Our first quotation contains
Maybe you mean domesday book
No, no...
I know that Norman accounting tax grab census you mention...
I mean the Doomsday Book... you have to see his evil plot to get her
comment.
And I think, really, the idea of the Corporate Boss hiding in the shoe
department, scribbling about unionists in his
At 11:48 AM -0500 11/21/03, Louis Proyect wrote:
What I said is that if Melvin made remarks at a branch meeting like
he made here, he'd be brought up on charges. I know for a fact that
lots of older SWP'ers, especially factory workers, felt threatened
by woman's and gay liberation but they had the
Dear Louis,
Thanks for your letter. I think you make some good points. When I talk
about this, I like to say that the U.S. and U.K. should recuse themselves
(as aggressor nations) from U.N. decision-making on Iraq. I agree the rest
of the Security Council is hardly pure as to motives, yet the
At 7:46 PM -0500 11/21/03, Kenneth Campbell wrote:
It's interesting,in this regard, to note that all
fictional plots involving the rich and the poor
changing places, always have a capitalist trade
places with a beggar...not a worker.
Today, yes, often so. Not always so...
One of my fave old
In the broadway musical Urinetown the protagonist is a working class man fighting to
overthrow the evil company that regulates the only toilets in the area. Then again he
does get thrown off of a building before the story is over. But not without first
inspiring the CEO's daughter to do what's
Fritz Lang's _Metropolis_ has the only son (Freder) of the biggest
industrialist (Jon Frederson), smitten with an angelic and virginal
working-class woman reformer (Maria), descend from the heavenly
paradise of the rich and idle to take the place of a laborer in the
subterranean hell of
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To: Middle East Socialists Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,Discussions on
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Subject: [MESN] Fw: Terror blasts in Istanbul :atrocities aid Bush's war on
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:40:04 -0500
* Friday, November 21, 2003
Senate committee tasks Army with morale review after Stripes' report
By Patrick J. Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stars and Stripes
European edition, Saturday, November 22, 2003
WASHINGTON - The Senate Armed Services Committee on Wednesday tasked
the Army with
washingtonpost.com
Tired of Plain Greed And Subsidies
By Steven Pearlstein
Friday, November 21, 2003; Page E01
A message to my fellow Americans who chose to live where the wheat waves,
the buffalo roam and most rites of passage still involve a pickup truck:
I'm sick and tired of having my pocket
I still haven't been able to study the methodology of the EU survey on
globalisation, but one point I wanted to add, is that we can of course add
up quantified observations which really refer to different things.
For example, among other things, on my writing desk I have at the moment:
1. a
Last night PBS Frontline aired a fascinating documentary on Who Was Lee
Harvey Oswald? (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/).
This show would have had a special resonance with members of the Socialist
Workers Party, past or present. In the course of his determined but
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