This morning, I heard a report on the radio which said that the economy
was bound to pick up because "consumer confidence" was much higher than
its been for quite some time. In the next breath, they mentioned that
something like only 13% of those surveyed thought that the job market was
decent
On Thu, 7 Apr 1994 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me repeat what I sent to a Canadian colleague about the offensive
posting on this network. " Sorry if I am unrepenetant, but I am sick
and tired about American Liberal "holier than thou"sim and -- "do as I do,
not as I say". When you look at
Dear Penl'rs,
I just got the latest list of updated gophers, and it turns out
that the first official announcement of the FDIC gopher was wrong. The
correct address is:
fdic.sura.net port 71
I just tried it and it seems to work just fine.
Thanks,
Anders Schneiderman
Center
On Tue, 7 Jun 1994, Marshall Feldman wrote:
I'm starting to think about the fall :^( and redesigning my course on
urban and regional theory. It's an introductory course for graduate
students in community planning who have no economics or social science
prerequisites. The course is called
On Fri, 24 Jun 1994 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm looking for left critiques of "Total Quality Management" re:
labor and would appreciate any citations folk could provide me.
I think Labor Notes put out a booklet of critiques of TQM sometime in the
last two years. I think the Midwest Labor
Dear Pen-Lrs,
I'm interested in reading (actually, re-reading) the debates over the
causes + relative importance of 1970s inflation in the U.S. I'm looking
for cites for both the radical and the mainstream lit. Any help would be
greatfully appreciated.
Thanks,
Anders Schneiderman
Dept of
On Mon, 10 Jan 1994 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*stuff deleted*
I was in a "discussion" with Ed Deak, head of the dept at Fairfield U., right
after the meetings and he argued that the only way to convince the bond market
to let the long rate continue to fall was to RAISE the short rate. My
Dear Pen-l'rs,
Just in case you haven't heard, the SEC's EDGAR database--or at
least parts of it--are finally on-line! It looks like a typical Internet
hack: the files are in coded form, and it will probably take a bit of
work to figure out how to smoothly work the system. Also, the
A bit more info on the SEC database, courtesy TAP-INFO, the Naderite
free-govt-info project.
Anders Schneiderman
Center for Community Economic Research, UCB
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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 94 17:08:06 EST
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for the peek into the Canadian version of the craze hitting the
States. Incidentally, the man describing the computer system of the future
got it wrong. He should have said, "When I come home at night, the
machine will say, 'Hello, Nicholas, I've looked at 14,000 hours of
television and
This morning, I heard a report on the radio which said that the economy
was bound to pick up because "consumer confidence" was much higher than
its been for quite some time. In the next breath, they mentioned that
something like only 13% of those surveyed thought that the job market was
decent
The discussion over economists and rationality reminded me of something
I've been wanting to ask the economists on the list. Is the study of
complexity/chaos making any headway in mainstream economics these days?
I've read a bit of the work on complexity going on in the study of
biology, and it
after that obvious flippant remark, I say we need a better term
for _good_ social programs. What about "the social wage"?
Jim Devine
How about extra-lean pork?
Anders Schneiderman
Center for Community Economic Research
Dear penl-rs,
Ron Stief of the Center for Ethics and Economic Policy is trying to pull
together a short piece on why raising the minimum wage is a good idea.
Anybody have a good summary of the economic research which supports this
claim?
Thanks,
Anders Schneiderman
Center for Community Economic
As part of work our Center is doing with groups fighting Prop 187
immigration-bashing, Prop 184 "getting tough on crime," and the impending
anti-affirmative action initiaive in California, we're putting together an
Internet gopher/web site called "Race and the California Economy." If
you've
Dear pen-lrs,
At least once a week, someone calls me asking for a statistic they need to
bash some nasty right-winger/Republicat. At some point or other, a pen-lr
has probably posted the numbers that person needs. So, I wanted to throw
out an idea to the list and see what people think.
I'd
This is the chomsky address. By the way, is there -- certainly there should
be -- a good compilation of left sources of information on the Web?
Not to toot our own horn or anything ( :) ), but the best source right now
is the Economic Democracy Information Network (EDIN) Gopher, which is run
by
Doug wrote,
My objection to Nathan's original comments was that it was too easy simply
to equate a position on AA with a position on racism. Clinton, for example,
supports some kind of AA - details characteristically hazy - but he's also
the prime mover behind the current mania for welfare
Dear Maggie,
While I concur with the spirit of some of the suggestions put forth in this
article -- I strongly OBJECT to the SEXIST nature of the writing.
Oy! I messed up. In the previous draft of the piece, I did talk about
affirmative action based on gender as well as race. As I ran out
This week, Penlrs have produced a wonderful array of info about welfare
that's useful for countering conservatives. It would be really great if
this info could be summed up in a brief, clear way and made accessible
online--kind of a Progressive FAQ--for other folks to use in the future.
It's a really good idea to take apart the myths around welfare, esp. if you
have sharp conservative students who like to hit you w/ conservative
editorials. I also think it's a good idea to try to shift the debate away
from welfare and back to poverty, folks in the bottom half, etc. Part of
the
Dear Eugene,
mention of the SL bailout. The dollars involved in the electric
deregulation for California ratepayers are MORE than the SL bailout.
Interesting! Do you happen to have any numbers handy?
Anders
Dear Gil,
The Center for Popular Economics has just put out a book which does exactly
this. I ordered it from a flier I've since thrown away, and I forget the
title, but it's published by the New Press in NYC. Gil
I'd heard they'd done a very nice job with it. However, that's NOT what I
was
Dear Max,
The left has actually done splendidly on the question of the
progressivity of taxes -- every conservative tax position since 1981
has been beaten down when the distributional tables were published.
Unfortunately, we're getting killed on the spending issue, and not
on the value of OASDI
Max,
I'm really glad to see that somebody's doing this (incidentally, maybe we
should try to get something similar about Social Security right after the
Nov election so that when Clinton decides to sign up for privatizing SSI,
we'll be ready to go).
Some comments:
úPut people first by
Jim wrote:
I haven't read the whole series (last week's series on the
biology of the brain was more interesting), but I'd say that it
can be summarized as minimizing the role of the CIA the contras
in the crack epidemic. The contras were involved, but it wasn't
very profitable for them. There
Phew, some letter! Well, I am certainly glad that aiusa did not oppose the
unionization of its staff. It would, however, be interesting to find out
some of the history of the debate just for general discussion. Obviously
there was some sort of 'felt need' because a large number of staff signed
unless, of course, the subject was profs' salaries).
In short, the problem with the pomos isn't that they were wrong about the
connections between discourse and power. They were just incompetent.
R. Anders Schneiderman, PhD.
Progressive Communications
Dear Stephen,
To Doug H., Anders S., Jim D., and others who are on the attack against pomo,
As I've read your various posts I find myself alternately wanting to
respond, but also at times being angry at the dismissive comments (they're
just incompetent), hostile interpretation of motives
So what's wrong with using words like "fetishism" (a word quite commonly
used in my neighborhood) or "commodity" or "production" or "commodity
production"?
There's nothing wrong per se with these words, but if we want to be useful
to our friends outside academia and the far left, then we've got
Dear Steve,
Thanks for your capsule summary of _Specters_; it was much appreciated.
But I think there was something powerful in
someone whose work is considered to be anti-Marxist to argue that Marx is
today unavoidable, despite the rush to global liberal capitalism.
Don't you mean "because of
Maggie writes:
1. I think that this vote will serve as a legitimizing symbol to a growing
backlash against affirmative action, particularly against women in
nontraditional careers (whatever the hell nontraditional means).
2. I believe that the business community will increasingly not comply
At 02:10 PM 11/10/96 -0800, you wrote:
Of course, on the other hand, the population as a whole voted against a tax
that would only affect a very few rich people. Even though I know better, I
remain dumbfounded at the ignorance of the US people. This particular vote
has much to do with the
10:15 a.m. Panel 1: What Works? Experiences of
Charitable Organizations
...
The panel will include a welfare recipient
with a personal success story.
You think it's someone from Lockheed?
Anders Schneiderman
Progressive Communications
On Tue, 24 Dec 1996, Louis wrote:
I take one look at this sentence and want to throw the book out my 13th
story window. Him and his references to Riviere and Le Trosne is academic
babble. This is how he earns his salary. You earn your salary reading
economic journals about places like China and
Has anyone seen reports in __The Independent_ or _The Big Story_ about the
CIA, Contras, and crack? Our local alternative weekly reports that they
ran a great story whose bottom line was, "The CIT actively encouraged drug
trafficking in order to fund right-wing contra rebels in Nicaragua during
Friends, My apologies for posting my reply to Michael Yates to
everyone. It's late and I'm tired. Larry Shute
It seems like late night is a bad time to send email; my apologies for
posting my E-NODE column to Penl when I meant to send it to someone else.
Anders Schneiderman
Friends, My apologies for posting my reply to Michael Yates to
everyone. It's late and I'm tired. Larry Shute
It seems like late night is a bad time to send email; my apologies for
posting my E-NODE column to Penl when I meant to send it to someone else.
Anders Schneiderman
Has anyone seen reports in __The Independent_ or _The Big Story_ about the
CIA, Contras, and crack? Our local alternative weekly reports that they
ran a great story whose bottom line was, "The CIT actively encouraged drug
trafficking in order to fund right-wing contra rebels in Nicaragua during
A few additions to Doug's comments:
1. The SS system will become insolvent when the baby boom generation
become recipients in about 15 years. The reasons are demographic. In
1950 there were 16 workers for every beneficiary, paying 2 per cent of
their paychecks into the system. Today there
At 02:51 PM 1/1/98 -0500, Robin wrote:
So, when I am voting, or
instructing my representatives to vote, or voting for representatives
who will vote for me regarding public good requests I have no incentive
to over request -- since I will be charged my proportionate share of the
cost of all such
Does anyone know much about a group called the International Food Policy
Research Institute--their political slant, etc.?
Thanks,
Anders Schneiderman
Progressive Communications
Dear Penlrs,
For the most part, it's hard to escape the ubiquity of Microsoft. If
you're working with other folks, odds are you're stuck using MS Office.
And unless you want inflict upon yourself the pain and suffering of Unix
(as some of our Linux enthusiasts have suggested on Penl), you're
Just to give Penlrs a better sense of just how far Microsoft is prepared to
go...
Anders Schneiderman
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At 03:21 PM 1/9/98 PST8PDT, Jim wrote:
Surely nobody disagrees with the idea that sex-slavery or underage
prostitution is wrong. The sex-workers comments were not aimed at
coerced or non-consensual prostitution, but at prostitutes who bject to
being criminalised in the name of saving their
At 12:26 PM 1/11/98 -0800, Jim Devine wrote:
Louis writes: On the eve of the Gulf War, [Baudrillard] argued that
television made actual war superfluous.
Baudrillard was absurd, but it sure suggests the recent Robert de
Niro/Dustin Hoffman flick "Wag the Dog," in which a spin doctor and a
At 03:20 PM 1/30/98 EST, Maggie wrote:
Sigh, I can't believe I mentally exchanged Lipinski for Lewinski -- brain
damage -- too much pollution. Anyhow, Max, I agree, this may not have
been as
planned as a conspiracy, but it is certainly moving in Clinton's direction.
The 'bad boy' who the right
From: Edupage Editors [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
AOL BUMPS NICHE PRODUCTS OFF THE SHELF
America Online no longer makes it easy for its small content providers to
reach an audience, and instead submerges them into information "channels."
An AOL spokesperson explains: "Our new mission reflects our
No sooner do I finish reading my email than Salon magazine handily provides
Exhibit A of my case. -- Anders
P.S. This is also an example of how useful complexity theory can be in the
real world; you can use it to make lots of money as a business guru...
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TRENDY THEORIES
b l o w B a c k PUNDITS WHO HAVE BEEN PONTIFICATING ABOUT PRESIDENT
CLINTON'S ALLEGED ADULTERY MAY SOON FIND THEIR OWN MORALS COMING UNDER
SCRUTINY.
BY JONATHAN BRODER
SALON MAGAZINE
WASHINGTON -- The next tasty treat in the media's feeding frenzy over
President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky
At 05:29 PM 2/16/98 -0600, you wrote:
I am having a bit of a battle at my company with a manager who is a
Druckerite over plans to bring "management by objective" (Drucker's
phrase) and other kindred intellectual frauds to manage our software
development group. I picked up Drucker's *Management*
At 09:58 AM 2/23/98 -0500, Louis wrote:
In "What is to be Done" Lenin cites 3 examples of what tasks a "vanguard"
should undertake...
Lous, why did you feel the need to cite Lenin chapter verse to argue that
sectarianism is bad?
Harvey draws a dichotomy between proletarian concerns: working
At 03:46 PM 2/23/98 +, Max wrote:
Environmentalism in the large is about raising the costs
of consumption that is most susceptible to taxation under
current circumstances.
Maybe DC is populated mostly with bone-headed liberal environmentalists
whose version of "environmentalism" would fit
Louis was kind enough to post Boucher's article. After reading it, I was a
little confused about Louis' argument w/ Boucher. Although the piece has
its problems, Boucher ends on what seems to me to be a respectable position
for a Marxist:
[snip]
If it is possible that modern capitalism can
At 04:16 PM 2/28/98 -0500, Doug wrote:
I've been reading up on European monetary union, which is just 10 months
away, and my impression is that no one is really prepared for just how big
a deal it could be. Am I wrong?
Interesting enough, in the computer industry lit, there's been much
groaning
At 01:14 PM 3/2/98 -0600, Dennis wrote:
this is worth reading . . . It's Francis Boyle--U of Illinois Law
professor, international law expert, radical public intellectual activist
and his communication with NY Times reporter.
Dennis,
Do you happen to know this guy? He made a number of
At 08:38 AM 3/2/98 -0800, Jim wrote:
Though I am far from being a climatologist, I've been convinced of the
"global warming causes increased weirdness of weather" hypothesis for
awhile now. Global warming disrupts the rough equilibrium the defines
stable weather patterns. But is there any
At 06:25 PM 3/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
Louis P.,
Well, as a matter of fact this sort of case in
Rochester is exactly the sort that says that there needs to
be some very specific quantity controls. This is the kind
of case I had in mind with my mumbling about risky
situations and how
At 09:40 PM 3/31/98 -0800, Michael E. wrote:
While there is more than a little truth in your observation about how unions
allocate their political resources, it is not entirely accurate to say
"Virtually none of it is spent on building up a grassroots machine." I
can't speak about the entire
At 01:55 PM 3/21/98 -0800, Michael wrote:
The idea of a zero marginal cost of information [in the sense that once
produced it costs little to reproduce] is an old one. Marx discussed the
discovery of the binomial theorem, which once discussed cost nothing to
reuse.
In an earlier book, I
At 10:54 AM 3/28/98 -0800, Michael E. wrote:
My understanding is that the California Federation of Labor had just such an
initiative in the pipeline, ready to file with adequate signatures. They
agreed not to do so after the largest employers in the state agreed not to
put money or support
At 08:35 AM 3/28/98 -0800, Michael wrote:
Also in the Balance Sheet, we might include Stalin's brutal, but
relatively effective policy of suppressing/repressing ethnic hostilities.
I don't see how you'd put that in anything other than the minus column.
First off, it's hard to see how
After the success of our National Budget Simulation, the Center for
Community Economic Research has decided to try to build a series of tools
to make it easier for non-programmers to build simple online economic
literacy tools. These tools could range from simple dressed-up
calculators
Dear Penlrs,
As part of our "Building a New Economy" web site, I'm looking for
information about Living Wage and Minimum Wage campaigns in the U.S.
I've got several people to call, but I'd like to start w/ email first
(since, as I've learned from painful experience, it's much easier to get
Since Nathan's post responded to most of the inaccuracies in the IIR Party Line,
I'm going to give y'all a sense of what UC Berkeley's IIR is like these days
by asking Michael Reich to explain two things that have puzzled a lot of
Bay Area labor folks.
This Fall, the IIR celebrated its 50th
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Vol 1, No. 2
JULY 9, 1996
GODZILLA UBER ALLES
-- by R. Anders Schneiderman, PhD., [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a terrible confession to make. A part of me, a not-so-small
part of me, wants Microsoft to dominate
Jim Craven wrote:
There are of course different strains/sects etc (Noam Chomsky is
often characterized as a "left-wing" libertarian or socialist
libertarian--I find this to be oxymoronic--and there is what is
known as the "Objectivist wing of the Libertarians; but here it goes:
One of the most
One of the many joys of being a Business Week subscriber--aside from
reading some very sharp reporters--is that I get to watch the race between
Gary Becker and Craig Roberts to see who can come up with the most
amazingly idiotic statements (Craig is currently ahead by 5). I just
started reading
David Brower's piece, posted by Jim Devine on Monday, is a good example of
the problem I have with some people who vote Third Party. As I understand
it, the best argument for voting for third party candidates is that rather
than choosing between two candidates you don't like--the lesser of two
Dear Maggie,
How can this woman sleep at night? Read on at your own peril, and not on a
full stumach. 'sister rat' maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think it's pretty clear how she sleeps at night: quivering under the
covers. That letter gave me the giggles. What a poor loser!
The
Doug wrote,
I can't speak for Nader; his refusal to talk about "gonadal politics," as
he calls it, is also unfortunate. But I do think it's a bit of a leap to
conclude that Nader is "another White Boy on the Left who doesn't take
racism seriously." You could also argue that affirmative action is
Jim writes:
It's just not true that the position of all third-party advocates is
that one picks someone whom you actually support. There are other
reasons.
* A vote for a third party can be seen as part of a strategy to
pressure the two-party duopoly to lean in our direction. If the
political
Dear Penlrs,
I've just been hired as research and education director of Tom
Schlesinger's new improved outft, the Financial Markets Center (formerly
the Southern Finance Project). We're kicking off this contest for grad
students, and I'd greatly appreciate it if you could repost it to any list
At 01:15 PM 12/28/97 -0400, Tom Kruse wrote:
One of my ocncerns is the way bailouts are really cover for "lockins" into
free trade regimes, de-regulation, etc. So, concretely, what would a
bailout for S. Korea look like that:
- protects the most vulnerable small savers and small businesses
-
At 01:53 PM 12/2/97 +, John wrote (replying to David):
I would think that communities would control their basic needs and interests
while joining in federations, both industrial and geographical, in order to
take advantage of economies of scale. At least that seems to be the crux of
At 10:30 AM 12/6/97 -0800, Jim wrote:
Specious predictions aside, I think that the more that the
establishmentarians are convinced of the "new economy" scenario in which the
business cycle (i.e., the possibility recession) is abolished, the more that
government and business leaders make decisions
At 08:27 AM 12/8/97 -0800, you wrote:
I think that even if they could measure output, they wouldn't care about
it. What they care about is total revenue minus total cost (or stated as a
rate of return). Because HMO revenues are largely fixed per patient once
the deal has been struck, they try to
Anyone ever heard about an organization called the Advisory Board Company,
headquartered in DC? They're a big outfit--about 500 folks--that seems to
do lots of management consulting for their member firms (mostly Fortune
1000 companies, esp. in finance and health care), but when I did a quick
From the latest Salon Magazine:
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E S T H E R__D Y S O N_ DISCOURSES ON MICROSOFT,
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, THE FUTURE OF RUSSIA -- AND
Dear Penlrs,
As we watch the Amazing Market Rollercoaster, something else to keep in
mind: what is all this--markets crashing, currencies roiling, etc.--going
to do to the dervatives market? And what are the D's going to do to
corporate america? I've been tracking the fights w/ the SEC and
Dear Penlrs,
Now that James Glassman and other right-wing idiots are using the new book
by the Thernstroms to argue that racism is bascially gone, I guess it's
time to take a quick look at it. Anybody seen a decent review?
Anders Schneiderman
Research and Education Director
Financial Markets
Dear Pen-lrs,
The Center for Community Economic Research has just finished putting
together a simple World Wide Web simulation of the national budget, and
we'd like your help play-testing it. It's located at:
http://violet.berkeley.edu:6997/budget.html
If you have ideas about
Dear Pen-lrs,
We'd like to link our National Budget Simulation to progressive analyses of
the federal budget or issues surrounding it (e.g., tax fairness). If
anyone has written such an analysis, we'd love to up it up. Just e-mail it
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks,
Anders Schneiderman
Center for
Just out of curiousity, how does Prof. Libertarian come to the conclusion
that Mao, Lenin, and Stalin were "liberals"? Sounds to me like he's just
engaging in political correctness--or just being plain stupid. It's a bit
like saying, as a right-wing friend of mine used to, that libertarians
On Wed, 19 Jul 1995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob,
The problem, first of all, is not just jobs, but jobs at decent
wages and security.
Absolutely; that's why I used the words "real jobs."
Clinton's 1992 slogan was itself pretty good, "Putting People First."
But alot of good that
Dear folks,
Does anyone have the email addresses for Martin Carnoey, Joel Rogers, and
Juliet Schor?If you can, please reply to me and not to the rest of the list.
Thanks,
Anders Schneiderman
CCER
On Sat, 22 Jul 1995, Paul Cockshott wrote:
My objection to this is that I see no basis for the assumption
that national capitals exist. In what phase of its circuit
M-C-M' is capital national?
When there is freedom of movement of capital between currencies,
then the M phase is
On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, jones/bhandari wrote:
Whatever (limited) persuasiveness such a thesis had decades ago, it doesn't
seem to speak much to the post-industrial holocaust of the inner cities.
One however does not have to accept William Julius Wilson's (non-)solutions
to agree that the
On Thu, 5 Oct 1995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter Dorman writes 10/5:
the current right wing surge . . . hasn't established any clear
boundaries to *its* right.
But of course it has. He just hasn't taken the effort to find, let
alone understand, the complex internecine
Speaking of racism...
-
In light of the disbelief by many whites at even the possibility of a
pervasive frame-up of OJ by police, the following article should be read
and redistributed widely. This Philadelphia scandal has
Hey, did you ever think that maybe _she_ came up with the theory? :)
Anders Schneiderman
On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, James Devine wrote:
if the theory of rational expectations really worked, then Robert
Lucas wouldn't have agreed to give his ex-wife 1/2 of his expected
Nobel
Dear Penlrs,
This note is a request for intellectual assistance. Feel free to pass it
on to other lists.
Thanks,
Anders Schneiderman
Center for Community Economic Research
UC Berkeley
--
Service Center for Union Workers
Service Employees Local 616 in Alameda
The other irony about Orange County's collapse is that as far as I can
tell from the press coverage, a lot of their derivatives were in mortgage
securities. The reason the mortgage security market exists is because
Fanny Mae and Ginny Mae provide guarantees. In other words, those Orange
County
Your tax dollars at work... -- Anders Schneiderman
---
WILL ADVANCE TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM FUND ONLINE EDUCATION?
The Commerce Department is expected to decide early this year whether to
provide funding to learning technology ventures through the Department's
Advanced Technology
Your tax dollars at work... -- Anders Schneiderman
---
WILL ADVANCE TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM FUND ONLINE EDUCATION?
The Commerce Department is expected to decide early this year whether to
provide funding to learning technology ventures through the Department's
Advanced Technology
Does anyone know much about the Advisory Board Company? I'm trying to
track down some info about them and I'm coming up dry. According to their
web site, they're a research organization that services the broad industry
research interests of their member corporations. But they don't show up in
Barkley,
Whether you have taxes, permits, quantity controls, or
whatever, if someone is poisoning someone else and that can
be shown (not always an easy if, as the Kodak situation
indicates), then the poisonees ought to be able to take the
poisoners to court, period. This is quite
Speaking of science, pomo, and all that, I have a question for y'all. I'm
working on a piece about the SL Bank Robbery in the 80s, and I ran across
an article by Richard Rorty claiming that academics totally missed the boat
on the SL crisis. Among pomos, I'm pretty sure he's correct; I was
It appears I was a little quick on the mouse (or a little slow)...
There are a lot of good things about the Net, but the means by which things
circulate aren't always effective.
Anders Schneiderman
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