[PEN-L:2850] Re: Fwd: stripes for the backs of fools
Bill, That explanation was considered (official position of the Curches was that the scratches were for TB testing) Out of 20 pysicians in Alberta randoming consulted, not one said that these marks could have been related to any known past or present medical procedure or test). Further, these marks were not put on all Indian children in all schools yet all the schools were governed by the same basic medical protocols which would suggest that these marks should be on all or a majority of the Indian children. Personally, knowing the kinds of religious fanatics that ran these schools, I think the verse from Proverbs 19: 29 is a plausible explanation. Note there is also concrete evidence of Indian children and adults being used in the infamous MKULTRA (LSD) experiments in the CIA/Canadian Government in the 1960s and 1970s in mental institutions and residential schools. Then there is the matter of forced and/or duplicitous sterilization of Indian children that still goes on today. Plus torture, rape, murder, physical abuse, forced abortions of fetus that were the product of rape by clergy, using children for "cock fighting" viewed by staff of the schools, use of bullies and gangs to enforce compliance, forced suppression of traditional language and culture, beating of left-handed children, electric shocks, etc. etc. Jim Craven On 3 Feb 99 at 9:16, Bill Burgess wrote: > A different explanation: > > These stripes sound like the scratches made for innoculations against > smallpox, or was it polio? I faintly remember a little metal instrument > with serrated edges, that left little parallel marks, though it was on our > shoulders, not backsides. If not properly cared for, they got infected, and > left nasty scars. > > Bill Burgess > > > At 09:06 AM 03/02/99 EST, you wrote: > > > > > > The use of religion to mark Pikanii Children in Canada for the depths of > >hell. > > > >Copyright 1999 by Long Standing Bear Chief > > > > "Judgement is prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools." > >From the Book of Proverbs, Chapter 19, Verse 29 > > > > One day in fall of 1949 Pikanii children at the Sacred Heart Residential > >School > >near what is now the community of Brocket, Alberta, Canada the teaching of > the > >nature > >of sin and how to pray so that one might overcome evil thoughts was > initiated > >and put in. > > "They also prepared us for a bad future at these residential schools" > > agreed George Yellow Horn and Elizabeth Crow Flag. Both are members of the > > Pikanii Nation which is now called the Peigan Nation by the Government of > > Canada. > > > > George Yellow Horn, also known by his aboriginal name of Sikkapii > > (White Horse) said, "In the Fall of 1949 when I was ten years old , our > >teacher > > Sister Houle, a Sister of Charity nun, told us we should all line up in the > > hallway of the school. We would Sikkapii continued, "I remember all the > small > >kids > >were crying and screaming. I was very afraid since none of our parents were > >present > >and we did not know what was going to be done to us. We were forcefully taken > >from > >our parents so we knew they were not there. > > ' > > When it was my turn to go into the room I saw my friends having their > > shirts taken off and their pants pulled down. There were men present with > > what seemed like needles. ' We were then made ot lean over exposing our > >backside > >and then the men made these scratch marks on our backs, and when they were > >finished they smeared iodine on the wound. You should have heard the children > >crying and > >screaming." > > > > Elizabeth Crow Flag, or Yellow Dust Woman, as she is known among her > > people, joined in by saying, " The same thing was done to us at the St. > > Cryprian School near Brocket. We cried and sceamed as well. We have never > >been > > able to find out the meaning of the scratch marks. > > > > On January 29, 1999 at the home of Long Standing Bear Chief in > > Browning, Montana the key to the mystery of the stripes, consisting of > six up > >and > > down scratch marks became abundantly clear to Sikkapii. > > While reading from a book entitled, "Spare the Child, The Religious > > Roots of Punishment and the Psychological Impact of Physical Abuse" by > Philip > > Greven (First Vintage Books Edition, 1992) Sikkapii was heard to utter, > " So > > this is the meaning of what the scratch marks are." > > > > Sikkapii had just read a passage from the book that read as follows, > > from the Book of Proverbs, Chapter 19, Verse 29: "Judgement is prepared for > > scorners, and stripes for the back of fools". He then said, "This is black > > magic This is how the Christians... There was stunned silence in the > >room. > > > > Now the Pikanii people are preparing for a cleansing ceremony to rid > > themselves of the evil put on them when the Christians scratched six ma
[PEN-L:2668] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: intern needed
On 27 Jan 99 at 14:32, Tavis Barr wrote: > > STOP!!! PLEASE!!! I referred an intern to Doug once and she had a great > _working_ experience. No interaction with or complaints about his libido. > > Cheers, > Tavis > > > > On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > At 12:36 PM 1/27/99 -0500, Doug Henwood wrote: > > >Tom Walker wrote: > > > > > >>Would that be LBO as in LiBidO? > > > > > >I'm too old for one of those. > > > > > >Doug > > > > > It is not age, Doug. It is power, the ultimate aphrodisiac as our > > fearless leader can attest. > > > > Wojtek Speaking of His Royal Slickness and his paramour Monica, Monica, tired and depressed over continuous press references to her phenotype and weight, checked in to a prestigious Plastic Surgery Clinic and told the physicians she wanted her "love handles" removed. Two days later she emerged from the clinic with no ears. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:2628] Appeal for Help
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:14:24 EST To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Radio show of interest: Yet Another CIA Deadly Screwup? Jim: Welcome to the real warSomething "strange" is right...My show tomorrow night with Ralph McGehee, 25 year veteran CIa officer will cover some of that "strange," which the CIA in their own in-house memos bragged about... You see the PAO (Public Affairs Office) of CIA has long been aware that one bestseller by Tom Clancy has more positive impact for their image than 1000 non fiction tell-alls. The movie image of Clancy's CIA hero effectively covers up for thousands of their Keystone Kop screwups and wacko (albeit deadly and dangerous) stunts they pull, and one book like TRIANGLE OF DEATH, because of its wide public appeal as "fiction", is also more dangerous to their image than all the Congressional investigating committees in history combined... ... What this all adds up to is the appearance of a mysterious ISBN number that gobbles up book orders like an invisible Pacman, and delivers nothing.. Months ago, my wife Laura and I called about 100 stores across the country, 99 of them had from 10 - 35 copies of Triangle of DEath on order for almost a year, and the orders had never been deliveredThe stores are just too busy to bother to change a thing... Could you imagine what we would have found had we called 27,000 book retailers? And so it goes.. Jim, thanks for your efforts. Mike Levine Dear Friends, I am sending this appeal for help. Mike Levine worked under deep cover for 26 years the majority of those years were spent in DEA. As a result of experiences and seeing with his own eyes DEA operations blown by CIA protection of their "assets" who were also in the drug business, he wrote three important books: "Deep Cover", "The Big White Lie" (which I have read) and "The Triangle of Death" which I have not read because I have been unable to get it. For sure I recommend his first two books highly. Why? >From "The Big White Lie": "In the "Big White Lie", Michael Levine, former DEA agent and bestselling author of Deep Cover, leads the reader through a decade of undercover work. Levine's prose is fast moving, highly readable, and hard hitting. He tells how the beautiful South American 'Queen of Cocaine' seduced the CIA into protecting her from prosecution as she sold drugs to Americans; how CIA-sponsored paramilitary ousted, tortured, and killed members of a pro-DEA Bolivian ruling party; and how the CIA created 'La Corporacion', the 'General Motors of cocaine', which led directly to the current cocaine/crack epidemic. As a 25-year veteran agent for the DEA, Michael Levine worked deep-cover cases from Bankok to Buesnos Aires, and witnessed firsthand, scandalous violations of drug laws by U.S. Officials." Mr Levine's work is extremely important as his testimony based on first-hand knowledge. Unlike the San Jose Mercury story about CIA involvement in moving cocaine and introducing crack into minority comunities which could be--and was--dismissed as the paranoid rantings and "conspiracy theories" of a rogue journalist, Mike Levine cannot be so easily dismissed. for that reason, and because of the dues he has paid (he was also instrumental in fighting against neo-nazis and the World Anti-Communist League also tied-in with dope, murder and tortures), his work needs to be widely read. But alas something is going on with the ISBN number of his "Triangle of Death" and I truly suspect something like what went on with IF Stone's The Hidden History of the Korean War" which was suppressed in circulation for a long time. So the correct ISBN for the "Triangle of Death" is 00440223679. I would ask as a favor that each person reading this call at least one bookstore (preferably chains but all are welcome) and ask for the book and if it is not on sale either order it or at least note to the store the correct ISBN and have that ISBN entered in their computers. I found two Barnes and Noble with the wrong ISBNs resulting in exactly the problem given above. Then please send this message to ten friends and ask each of them to make one call to a local bookstore to correct the ISBN if not order this book and ask each friend to send this message to another ten friends with the same request. For those on line who might be smoking a little reef now and then or in to some form of alternative life-style and who think why should I help an ex-DEA agent, well, this man has already risked a great deal to fight actual, real-life fascists and has at considerable risk to himself, given his name, reputation and background to expose some of the ugly forces and follies of key elements of the Imperial State and their agents. Please lend a hand and your fingers on the keyboard and telephone; it is a worthy effo
[PEN-L:2620] Re: Re: Immutability of Subjects
> Do I have to spell it out? You know, lump as in "immutable", labour as in > "labouring subject". The problem with many pomoistas, from my experience, is > that they seem to be so interested in endlessly "talking about doing" > something that they don't notice when it is actually being done. The pomo stuff reminds me of the story of a woman getting a physical exam and suddenly the physician looks troubled. The woman asks: "What is the matter do I have a disease?" The physician answers: :no, but I see from your chart you have been married three times and I just noticed that your hymen is intact. How is this possible?" She answers: "Well my first husband was an infantry officer and right after the ceremony when were married he was called off to war and was killed. My second husband was a physician like you, and on our way home for the wedding night, he went to handle an emergency and the abulance crashed and he was killed. My third husband was a super-salesman in love with hos own rhetoric and he just sat up night after night telling me how good it was going to be." Jim Craven > > > > Tom Walker > http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/ James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:2600] Re: "Church-State-Corporate Triangle" series (
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:36:27 EST To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: "Church-State-Corporate Triangle" series ( Jim: Thanks for the note. I just wanted to make sure you saw these last two articles of mine, below. The way I see it, it all ties in to one economic fact of life. The power elite feel that those unfortunate enough to be below a certain economic level are like mushrooms to be cultivated and harvested by them. And you know how they cultivate mushroomskeep them in a dark place and feed em bullshit. Best Mike Levine THE EXPERT WITNESS RADIO SHOW WBAI 99.5 FM, New York City (Tuesdays 7-8pm) KPFK 90.7 FM, Los Angeles replayed (Wednesdays, midnight, on "Something's Happening show) Host: Michael Levine, author of New York Times bestseller "Deep cover"-"The Big White Lie" and "Triangle of Death." http://www.radio4all.org/expert http://www.shineon.org/levine/index.html THE "SECRET" MEDIA EQUATION AT WORK BY Michael Levine No one who listens to THE EXPERT WITNESS show should have been surprised at the AP story (12/10/98) entitled "60 Minutes to Apologize [for Faked Drug Story]" which was followed Sunday night, 12/11 with the actual on-air apology made by Don Hewitt the producer. The text of the story and apology indicates that "60 Minutes" on two occassions ran a completely faked story about heroin smuggling and that the producers of the show are blaming the makers of a British Documentary and corroborating information they obtained from my alma mater, DEA (The Drug Enforcement Administration) for "fooling" them and causing them to "fool viewers in fourteen countries." Well, Holy disingenuous! Believe that and I have a case of Sammy Sosa homerun balls to sell you. During my 25 year career as a federal agent assigned to supervise many, many raids and operations arranged at the request of mainstream media, let me tell you, it is impossible to fool a professional media producer, unless he is so hungry for a dramatic story and/or film footage, that he does not want to see the obvious signs that the whole thing is a fraud. I lost count of the number of Expert Witness radio shows, since the show began in June, 1997, during which we identified fraudulent, faked and misleading law enforcement and covert ops stories headlined in mainstream media (print, radio and television). We, in fact, showed that many of the current drug war headlines were in essence, pro forma copies of headlines published 80 and 90 years ago, the only differences being the names of the arch villains, the countries and the quantities of drugs. The lesson being that absolutely nothing has changed in 90 years but the federal drug war budget, which is now more than $19 billion a year. The fact is that I cannot remember a week passing, since I retired from DEA in 1990, during which there is not at least one easily identifiable phony crime and/or covert operation story prominent in mainstream media. The vast majority of these stories involve drug cases and/or almost everything the CIA puts out as "fact." I recently taped a three hour "Expert Witness" radio show entitled "100 Years of Inside Experience" during which four federal agents having a total of 100 years service in CIA, FBI and DEA all of us having taken part in some of our nation's highest profile criminal cases and covert agency operations agreed that mainstream media coverage of these events was almost never even close to what actually happened, the exceptions being those rare occassions when the agency involved did everything right. In fact, it was during this taping that 25 year veteran CIA officer, Ralph McGeehee quoted from an in-house CIA document in which their public affairs division bragged that their "extensive media ties" had enabled CIA to "turn intelligence failures into intelligence 'successes'" in the media. Does it get any plainer than that? During our long careers the reasons for this "through-a-glass-darkly" media coverage became obvious to each of us. There is a simple equation at work that the American taxpayer should be aware of because we are paying for it, big time. The equation is as follows: A=Law Enforcement and covert agencies need positive, even frightening media, for increased budgets and career enhancement, particularly in the war on drugs. Which means that poor, inept and even criminal agency performance is covered up for, and positive activities exagerrated to any point the media "watchdogs" will tolerate. B=Politicians always need media and find that a close association with covert and law enforcement agencies keeps their names in headlines and their faces on television. Their roles in enforcement activities, covert and military operations, etc. are always exagerrated to any point that media allows. C=Law enforcement and covert agencies need close, mutually beneficial
[PEN-L:2593] Tribunal
The Pikanii Nation of the Blackfoot Confederacy Post Office Box 430, Browning, Montana USA 59417 406-338-2882 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] January 21, 1999 James Craven Professor of Economics Clark College Vancouver, Wasington Dear Sir: This letter is to advise you of a scheduled tribunal being scheduled by the Pikanii Nation of the Blackfoot Confederacy that is to be held on February 6 and 7, 1999 commencing at 9 am each day and ending about 6 p.m. The tribunal is being held to hear evidence of the abuse of Indian children in Residential Schools in Canada and in boarding Schools of the United States of America from 1871 to the present. The enclosed press release confirms the announcement of this important event in our history. This invitation includes the offering of tobacco in the Blackfoot tradition. It is offered to you with the clear expectation you are not to refuse our request that you sit as a judge for purposes of the tribunal and that you assist in organizing the tribunal so that it conforms to standards of International and Aboriginal Law. This invitation is extended as a result of your previous experience with setting up tribunals and because you are a member of the Blackfoot Confederacy. The invitation is similar to sending you the gift of an eagle feather by other Indian nations, whereby refusal is not accepted except in life threatening circumstances. Please confirm this invitation as soon as possible by means of a telephone call or by sending an Email response. It is expected that your participation will commence on February 4, 1999 and end on February 8, 1999. Thank you very much for your reply. Sincerely yours, Long Standing Bear Chief Spokesman for the Pikanii Nation Blackfoot Confederacy Note: a significant number of Blackfoot Elders raised in the Residential Schools all have the same scars in the same place: three parallel incisions each of which is 1 1/2 inches long at the base of the spine. None of them know exactly what was done to them or why. This is the type of stuff--and other horrors--we will be investigating. Again, as usual, with reference to the Nuremberg precedents, Common Law of Nations, UN Convention on Genocide, UN Convention on Human Rights etc. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:2521] Radio show of interest: Yet Another CIA Deadly Screwup?
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[PEN-L:2478] HES: QUERY -- Institutionalization of Neoclassicism
Comments? Jim --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Colander, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:"'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: HES: QUERY -- Institutionalization of Neoclassicism Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:33:36 EST Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === HES POSTING === I have come to believe that the term neoclassical is no longer a useful term to capture the ideas that are taught to economists in graduate school. What is taught, and what is believed by the majority of economists, is much more of a pragmatic application of ideas about individual self-interest interacting into some result. Most policy work is econometrically based data mining, not application of theory. The strong arguments that held the neoclassical economic paradigm together theoretically have been eliminated and replaced with a pragmatism about policy. Game theory with no definite result has replaced any theoretical defense of the competitive model in standard graduate micro. In macro there is a mess, but what remains in the majority of schools is essentially data analysis with slight modifications due to theoretical preconceptions. So while I agree with Drue that the U.S. institutional structure does not approximate "the neoclassical paradigm" I also agree with Robin that the mainstream economic approach is kept because it sheds some light, or seems to, on economic policy. I see far less ideological content than does Drue and Joan Robinson. The reality is that the majority of economists I talk to--including the high up ones--are liberal. They favor redistribution and are open to state action if they believe it will be beneficial. Look who supports the economists for peace movement. Libertarians and conservatives feel as disenfranchised as radicals (well, almost). Clearly, the Samuelson-Solow-Arrow nexus is liberal. Liberals are, by nature, hesitant about significantly changing institutions which leads to a pragmatism about policy and a hesitancy about changing institutions. This makes their ideas fit in well with political forces which are also hesitant about changing institutions. The few people who care about internal coherence of the broader paradigmatic approach are exploring other options--that's why complexity theory at Santa Fe was supported by Arrow. It has not been accepted because it has not yet had the major insight or event that overcomes the inertia associated with the old approach. I think what has caused the problem is the combination of theory and policy--something Marshall warned against. The only economists who can really delve into theory in a neutral way are those who keep themselves out of any political fray. The combination of theory and policy advocacy makes it seem that the policy arguments are based in theory when in fact they are based in a pragmatism. Most economists simply aren't much interested in theory. The rise of the support of the market among these pragmatic economists and among economists has more to do with recent history--the market seems to be working--than it does with theory. The fall of communism, the success of market oriented development plans, and the continued strength of the U.S. economy has led to the pro-market mood of the country. David Colander FOOTER TO HES POSTING For information, send the message "info HES" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:2379] Re: Re: Re: Re: Judith Butler, etc.
On 20 Jan 99 at 19:30, Dennis R Redmond wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, James Michael Craven wrote: > > > I wonder how many working class women or women on Reservations could > > relate to or understand the rhetoric in the example of Butler's > > writings given in the Doublespeak award? I suspect few if any. > > So what? Are all those scientists who use mathematical tools > noone else understands just wasting their time? Are people who read > foreign languages we can't read indulging in nonsense? If Butler > claimed to speak for the people on the Rez, then you could slam her for > yakking away. But she's not. Writers don't just write to be understood; > they write for the future readers who may someday understand what they > were trying to say. Adorno said somewhere that the only thoughts worth > thinking are those which do not fully understand themselves, i.e. do > something new and unexpected, which hasn't yet fully emerged into its > content, and is therefore open to history and dialectics. > > -- Dennis No I have no problem with people writing convoluted stuff not designed to be read or understood except by a few or to narcissistically savor their own rhetoric. I just have a problem when they pretend to be progressive instead of the elitist, self-indulgent, narcissistic, careerist rhetorical masturbators that they obviously are. At least Talcot Parsons openly admitted to being an effete elitist and reactionary who was not writing to really change anything but rather carve out a small but elite market niche for himself. I am reminded of a saying in Kerala: In the land of the people with no nose, the one with half a nose is king. I suspect this woman has a following of groupies too pretentious or too mediocre to admit there is a lot of wind and not much substance there. Again, I am waiting for some stuff from her admirers that they think is really innovative, compelling, significant, useful and relevant to something serious and let's take a look at it and deconstruct it. That's my opinion. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:2356] Re: Re: Judith Butler, etc.
Comment: Not as an "excuse" but if that empty pretentious rhetoric and totured syntax given in the example from Butler that won the Doublespeak/Gobbledegook Prize is an example of her normal prose and speech, I would need at least six Captain Morgan spiced Rums to go to hear her and six more to begin to deconstruct the deconstructionist to find some small pearl of something worth considering. I wonder how many working class women or women on Reservations could relate to or understand the rhetoric in the example of Butler's writings given in the Doublespeak award? I suspect few if any. Just as progressives need to deal with issues that matter to workers in language that is understandable and allows feedback from those workers and oppressed the same applies to the so-called Feminists about issues and language that matter to women. Otherwise, it is nothing but narcissism, careerism, opportunism, market-nicheism, semantic masturbation, CV-buildingism and pretentious crap. That's OK but label it for what it is and please take it to the right-wing and out of progressive issues and movements where serious issues in comprehensible language and subordination of big egos are desperately needed. I openly admit ignorance to much of Butler's work--not self-imposed igorance simply as a result of scarcity of time and other pressing issues e.g. genocide in Indian Country. I am open to being shown that I have missed and/or fail to see some substance and penetrating insights that would be valuable for my teaching or activism. But so far, as for an "impression", I just see another pretentious and narcissistic academic careerist latching on to a unique market niche and I most certainly do not see evidence of "one of the ten smartest people on the planet." Jim Craven On 20 Jan 99 at 13:10, Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote: > Jerry, > But, gee, Louis has confessed to all of us his bad > behavior. We now know that he was drunk at the LM > conference, by his own admission, and that he skipped > crucial sessions because he was in his room reading, by his > own admission. So, we can all see what his behavior was > and judge for ourselves. > Why doesn't this satisfy you? > Barkley > PS: Congrats on finally opening the OPE-L archives. > On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:56:43 -0500 (EST) Gerald Levy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Reply to Michael P: > > > > a) I did not re-raise this issue. Proyect did when he revealed his drunken > > behavior, etc. at the "Rethinking Marxism" conference. Blame him. > > > > b) There was nothing in my post that could fit any reasonable definition > > of a flame. > > > > c) The *reason* this issue won't go away is because it is a legitimate one > > to raise. > > > > d) You say that Proyect is a "valuable member" of PEN-L. THIS WAS > > GUARANTEED TO EVOKE A RESPONSE FROM ME. How is Proyect "valuable"? Is he > > valuable when he libels the late Paul Mattick Sr. the other day? Is he > > valuable when he sends us *daily* doses of *SPAM* Yes, spam. > > Posts that have *nothing* to do with PEN-L, were authored for another > > list, and are sent here as junk mail. Is this "valuable"? (I won't even > > bother going into Proyect's other "valuable" contributions here -- like > > the time he engaged in and later admitted to outrageous sexism on this > > list). BUT, MICHAEL, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. If you don't want us > > -- anyone on this list -- to say anything to or about Proyect, fine. I > > can live with that. But, if you have praise for him, then you MUST expect > > and allow those with a contrary perspective to be heard. > > > > Jerry > > > > -- > Rosser Jr, John Barkley > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:2314] Re: Re: 1998 Bad Writing Contest winners
Response: Absolutely dead on in my opinion. There are many forms of language and modes of communication/miscommunication/deceptive communication and just like the meaningless and overblown tortured syntax, caricatures and empty of real rhetoric (to persuade you must be understood) shown below, so elaborate math like elaborate vocabulary/syntax can be used to present the commonplace or empty caricatures, tautologies ,metaphysical assertions and contrived syllogisms as having substance and force and "scientific merit" that just isn't there. As they say in Kerala "If the crow bathes can it become a swan?" Jim Craven On 19 Jan 99 at 9:11, Jim Devine wrote: > It's really too bad that when they do these Bad Writing Contests, > mathematical writing is not included in the hopper. > > After all, it is quite common for economists to go on for pages and pages > with math that really doesn't add anything to the (often-bad) assumptions > that the math is based on. These pages of math often seem deliberately > obscure, though this is often the fault of editors who insist that papers > be short. The math often adds absolutely nothing to the prose summary at > the start, while the assumptions, which are almost never defended, usually > reflect the implicit or explicit political positions of their authors. > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & > http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html > > James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:2297] Re: Re: Judith Butler, etc.
On 19 Jan 99 at 8:39, Gerald Levy wrote: > Barkley asks: > > > Are you happy now, Jerry? > > Not yet. > > Had a published "review" of your book been authored by someone who > admitted (afterwards) that s/he only read the dust jacket, would your > response be so cavalier? > > I doubt it. > > What makes this fraud *more* important than the "Social Text affair" is > what it says about how certain "Marxists" communicate with each other. > > Let's take a step back and ask ourselves how this *FRAUD* began. > > Proyect didn't like the "Rethinking Marxism" conference based *ONLY* on > has reading of the conference schedule. I.e. the TITLES alone of > presentations led to his condemnation. > > This, by itself, is *at best* unsound, unscholarly and uncomradely > practice. > > In a similar way, what are we to make of Jim Craven's comments about > Judith Butler? > > Craven says "I have only read portions" of Butler's writings and "I have > not read her work fully". Fair enough. Yet, why do you then go on to > present a "critique"? Aren't scholars obligated to be less > impressionistic and more rigorous? > > (btw, I think the appropriate response to Craven's post should be: tell us > what you think *after* you have read her writings). > > Of course, Proyect was much worse since he knowingly perpetrated a fraud > on the readers of a radical publication. Not only was his mind made up > before the first session, but he was drunk and indifferent to the > proceedings. This was because he didn't need to be sober or attend since > the review was -- for all intense and purposes -- written before the > conference began. The fix was in. > > Yet, this slash and burn mentality has become the norm for how many > "Marxists" communicate with each other. Don't bother reading what others > write. Don't bother listening to what others say. Don't respond to the > arguments that are actually put forward -- invent "straw men" instead. > Then claim that anyone who disagrees with you is a a > counter-revolutionary agent (or similar libel). [Note the inference about > Mattick Sr. and Rakesh last week]. This is a mentality which > says -- win [the argument] at all costs no matter what the price in terms > of the truth. It is, in brief, the scourge of unprincipled dogmatism. And > it is a major reason why many leftists who are not Marxists look at > "Marxists" with contempt. > > Jerry Just as a note, I did not label my comments a "critique" but rather clearly characterized them as my initial impressions and also noted clearly that these were impressions based on limited reading, noted that I have been wrong on many occasions and am open to counter-evidence/impressions/argument. My impressions perhaps were as superficial as someone who has read a touch of Marx characterizing Marx as an "economic determinist". The stuff of Butler I had read on "permanentivity" was some time ago so I'd have to dig it up and comment specifically. Better yet, give some examples of Butler's work that you find particularly lucid, penetrating, innovative, unique and my mind is wide open. I do not apologize for impressions clearly labelled as such nor do I consider it fraud to give such impressions with the proper and honest caveats and limits of my knowledge presented. In general, I do find the pomo stuff tedious, pretentious, overblown and often as superficial and impressionistic or lacking in foundation as my own comments. Imagine if Noam chomsky were a pomo, with his command of linguistics, it would be over the top. Just my opinions and impressions. I am still allowed to have and express such am I not? Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:2273] Re: Re: Judith Butler, Alan Sokal and Doug Henwood
I enter this with some trepidation. I have read only portions of Judith Butler's work. Frankly, I just dropped it because the Talcott Parson-like tortured syntax coupled with pomobabble along with the soc/antho/econ penchant for telling people what they already know or is obvious in language few can understand was just too much. I saw a promo on this woman describing her as "one of the ten brightest people on the whole planet". Really? It has been my experience that the brighter, the less pretentious and the better able to simplify without losing the essence. Because I have not read her work fully--along with Foucault, Lacan et al--I am open to correction or being shown substance that I fail to see. At this point however, from what little I have read, I see a somewhat pretentious and narcissistic pretender spewing overblown rhetoric and convoluted syntax masquerading as something of substance or something unique worth pondering. But I've been wrong many times before. Jim Craven On 18 Jan 99 at 18:03, Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote: > Jerry, > Gosh! Wow! Am I ever glad that you raised that > issue! Louis! Behave yourself! The next time you report > on a conference, don't drink so much and attend more > sessions! (Are you happy now, Jerry?) > Barkley Rosser > On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 07:32:08 -0500 (EST) Gerald Levy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Proyect on his participation at the December 1996 Rethinking Marxism > > conference in Amherst: > > > > > At the opening night's reception, I downed 3 scotches in rapid > > > succession to put me in the proper frame of mind for the opening > > > session. > > > > He then went on to make a comment in the discussion period at the plenary > > which he describes, no doubt accurately, as "my drunken tirade". > > > > Then, rather than attending the plenary where Judith Butler spoke, he says > > that he: > > > > > remained in my hotel room reading a history of coffee production in > > > Central America. > > > > For those unfamiliar with this affair, let me refresh your memory: > > > > 1) On an Internet list, Proyect denounces the conference in the harshest > > possible terms based only his reading of the conference schedule. > > > > 2) Proyect then decides to go to the conference anyway, having agreed to > > report on the conference for the German journal _Sozializm_. > > > > We already knew that his reportage could hardly be considered impartial > > and unbiased. Now we see that he was either not attending the very > > sessions that he claimed to be reporting on or was engaged in a "drunken > > tirade". > > > > Why has there been so much discussion about the "Social Text affair" and > > so little discussion about this fraud? > > > > Jerry > > > > -- > Rosser Jr, John Barkley > [EMAIL PROTECTED] James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:2197] (Fwd) (Fwd) Information
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "James Michael Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Clark College, Vancouver WA, USA To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:48:38 PST8PDT Subject: (Fwd) Information --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Hasart, Tana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:Campus Master List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Information Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:24:19 -0800 One of the values I hold very high is that of open, honest communication. For obvious reasons, however, personnel and legal issues require maintenance of confidentiality. I commit to sharing information of campus-wide significance when it becomes appropriate. Please remember, any information shared prior to that time from other sources may be incomplete or out of context. TH Another view: This sounds to me a lot like the National Security State argument: If you only knew what I know, if you only had access to the secret information to which I had access, you would understand. but, since you don't, take my word for it that any view other than mine is not to be trusted. This commitment to "confidentiality" did not prevent this President from publicly proclaiming--and summarily finding on a matter yet to be reviewed by this President--that I had indeed put the college "in a great deal of liability" and did indeed make "inappropriate use of State resources". Since the College "might" have some potential liability if I had indeed committed defamation, libel or slander, and since truth is an absoluteand complete defense against defamation, libel or slander, this summary pronouncement and finding basically says that I knowingly, willfully and maliciously told an untruth that I knew to be untrue and/or told an untruth with wreckless disregard for easily available counter-evidence that would expose an untruth as an untruth and that I caused damages in doing so (the tests for defamation, libel or slander.) Further, the determination that I made "inappropriate use of State policy" comes from someone who not only is the reviewer of my grievance (imagine the confidence I have in the fairness of any hearing) but also from someone who has consistently refused to produce Board-passed policies e-mail use, refused to produce proof of how and when those policies were communicated--along with penalties for breaches of policies--and has not produced examples of people who were similarly charged and treated for similar alleged breaches of the purported policies. But since we are talking about "open and honest communications", the Independent carried a headline--unrefuted--that said that Dean Fulton had "asked" to be reassigned. Was that true? Further, as Dean Fulton's contract was up, his pay was extended over the summer to make a bridge between paychecks at Clark and at his new place of employment; he was supposedly "assigned" to "special tasks". Is that an example of open and honest communication? Just as saying it's so don't make it so applies to me, so it applies to others. This is where we need evidence and reasoning and open due process and sunlight. Where there is no sunlight, where evidence is not collected or valued, where there is no due process, the only result will be a climate of demoralization, social darwinism, lies, toadying, bullying, high employee turnover rates, malaise and lack of productivity and innovation or risk-taking. Imagine, at Clark, if you have to file a grievance, the grievance is heard at State I by the administrator who made the determination being grieved and then at State II it is heard by the President who likely was aprised of and approved the determination being grieved. Then, beyond Stage II the person grieving has to use private funds and resources while those against whom the grievance has been filed use State resources to tie them up and thwart real discovery and a real hearing by impartial reviewers. Numerous people have been abused and had their basic due process rights abused under this system which this present "honest communicating" Administration refuses to change. Three environmental scans have shown some very serious problems in need of elimination and some needed changes. The problem is that these problems in need of amelioration did not just fall out of the sky recently; they are deep-seated and endemic to this institution. This of course begs some questions: Why weren't these problems perceived and addressed before this? What is the role of some of the present administrators and trustees and faculty and staff--in place or promoted in the previous regime--in allowing these problems to go unattended and continue as threats to the integrity, credibility and productivity of this in
[PEN-L:2196] (Fwd) RE: Email Addresses for NASC
Dear Pen-l Friends, I have been "allowed" to contact pen-l and 21 other addresses while there is a decision pending whether or not I will be banned permanently from contacting those addresses from work. Part of the change was due to union pressure and also my colleague Gerry Smith put the heat on them (see below). All of you who cared and wrote in to protest have made a difference and I thank all of you from the bottom of my heart. A Mr. Monahan from the Chronicle of Higher Ed is doing a story on the blacklisting and harassment at Clark and since our illustrious are climbers--to "Peter Principle" levels of incompetence far beyond their present levels of incompetence, I can only hope that they will get some publicity among their "peers" they so richly deserve. Thanks to all. Jim --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Ramsey, Chuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:"Smith, Gerard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Email Addresses for NASC Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:22:28 -0800 Gerry, I left a voice mail on your phone last week. You are free to use those email addresses. Please check your messages. Chuck -Original Message- From: Gerard Donnelley-Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Email Addresses for NASC Concerning my voice mail about blacklisted email addresses for James Craven, I have yet to hear your response. So I am making this a very formal request. As the Co-Advisor for the Native American Student Council at Clark College, as founder of the Native American Center for Holocaust Studies, and as a teacher of Native American Literature, I request permission to send email to ALL the addresses that you have told Professor Craven he can't send email to or receive email from using campus resources or campus email. I, like Professor Craven, simply wish to be an effective citizen and a role model for Clark students. As a Clark College faculty member I believe teachers should take an active role in the political and social life of the community, a duty that is specifically noted in our faculty contract: indeed prior community involvement is considered in our hiring process. In order to fulfill my contractual obligations and to fulfill my duties as NASC advisor, I must be given permission to contact the blacklisted persons and discussion groups. In order to protect my academic freedom, I must be given access to these groups, and such access should not be subject to prior approval. Because these groups have been blacklisted, I have not written them. Dr. Gerard Donnelley Smith Gerard Donnelley-Smith Clark College Vancouver, Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] classroom.blackboard.net/courses/English131 classroom.blackboard.net/courses/English131 classroom.blackboard.net/courses/CrWriting James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1458] Re: HES: QUERY -- welfare theory and Mussolini
On 10 Dec 98 at 11:00, Ross B. Emmett wrote: > == HES POSTING > > I received the following query today from a graduate student in > economics. Since I have no idea about the answer, I am presenting it to > the list for feedback. Responses will be forwarded to the list and the > inquirer. -- RBE > > QUESTION: Did Mussolini utilize pareto welfare theory as a basis for his > economic policy? > > FOOTER TO HES POSTING > For information, send the message "info HES" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No it was more the reverse; Pareto was guided in his approach, assumptions and what he assumed away by Mussolini-like ideology. Unless you want to assume that fascists seek to achieve a state at which no one person can be made better of without necessarily making another person worse off-- assuming away that anyone non-fascist is not a person (very common among fascists.) Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1453] New Zealand pushing for producer board
On 9 Dec 98 at 19:51, Ken Hanly wrote: > James Michael Craven wrote: > > > > > > Comment: What exactly is "empirical" about neoclassical economics? > > > RESPONSE: While I agree with much in the material you enclosed, at the > level of particular issues rightwing think-tanks such as the Fraser > Institute in Canada do quite a bit of empirical research. Research funded > by and serving the interest of large corporations, including it would > seem the publicly owned Sask. Power that belongs to the institute! For > example there is a whole book on rent control that uses a lot of data > from Sweden and the US to show it doesn't work and allegedly verifies > what neo-classical theory would predict. I wrote a paper on the Ethics of > Rent Control and found the data in the book quite useful. The institute > has done a lot of empirical work on the health care system in Canada. > Much of it, for example data about waiting lists, is useful and shows > real problems in the system even if the interpretation of the data is > slanted. > As I recall, Milton Friedman in a famous paper, whose title > escapes me( Economics as a Positive Science?), justified the unrealistic > concepts embedded in theoretical models of neo-classical economics in > terms of their predictive value. They are justified by the fact that the > empirical facts conform to what the models predict. > (Me, not Uncle Miltie) All you need is the proper selection of facts > and proper interpretation. Data that do not confirm the model are > ignored or re-interpreted to show they really do not disconfirm it. > Consider telephone deregulation. Theory would say that regulation > would result in greater competition and this in turn to lower rates. Wow. > It does for long distance. Theory confirmed. We need more deregulation. > Ignore the fact that local rates skyrocket as compared to before > deregulation. Ignore the fact that jobs may be lost. Oh but it produces > new jobs. Right. Good paying union jobs are replaced by poor > telephone marketers trying to get you to join AT and T or Sprint, or > whomever. As good neo-classical researchers they should ask us how much > we would pay for to be rid of these annoyances but of course these things > will not be part of any analysis. THey might generate incorrect data that > disconfirm the hypotheses. > Economics seems to be the only science in which deductive > hypotheses can be disconfirmed over and over again with no discernible > effect. The disconfirmed system is still used. Could it be because the > theory is of great service ideologically and practically in advancing > capitalist interests? >Cheers, Ken Hanly Ken, One of the several problems associated with Friedman's caricature of the the "positivist" notion of prediction being the sole and necessary test of validity (presumably also confirming adequacy of core assumptions of the syllogism or hypothesis) is how to operationalize and confirm the confirming prediction. For example, neoclassicals predict that "deregulation" increases degree of competition which in turn supposedly closes the gap between existing conditions of "inefficiency" and conditions of efficiency (technological, economic, production, exchange, consumer and overall allocative) is operationalizing the concept of "deregulation" (de jure versus de facto), operationalizing and measuring "degree of competition" and assessing exting process and conditions in light of presumed ooutcomes under conditions of "efficiency" . For example, under the schemes proposed by most of the neoclassicals, under de jure "deregulation" are all sorts of pro-capital de-facto subsidies, socialized costs and risks that would be called highly regulatory if applied to labor. In other words, underneath the de jure "deregulation" are highly developed and extensive applied forms of de fact regulation. Then measuring de facto versus de jure degreees of competition. For example we have seen time after time that nominal de-regulation may lead to nominal or de jure competition but it is usually increased competition in certain market niches or segments while overall economic concentration (larger and larger shares industry revenues or profits accruing to fewer and fewer core or industry leaders) increases--e.g. airlines. This is one of the arguments for the Wheat Board that with de-regulation and Darwin day the small farmers would soon be extinct. Time horizons also need to be specified--unspecified in the static world of neoclassical economics. Then there is the contrived statistics and sources and methods problem so common among the neoclassicals. First what is the ideologically desi
[PEN-L:1440] Re: New Zealand pushing for producer board reforms
On 9 Dec 98 at 16:34, Ken Hanly wrote: This material is from Reuters (Wellington N.Z.) and appear in the Manitoba Co-operator for October 29, 1998, p. 25) The New Zealand government on October 20 stepped up efforts to convince farmers that producer board reform was in their interests. COMMENT (Contrary to Jim Devine, I think that the term "reform" is consistently misused if it is used to describe changes that are not improvements or removal of defects etc. My dictionary agrees. Right wingers use the term "reform" because they want people to believe they are making changes that are improvements. Otherwise why use "Reform" rather than "Change". ) THe government released 300 pages of Treasury advice on the topic, which argued that the loss of monopoly export powers held by some boards would be more than made up for by other advantages for farmers as their industry focuse more on markets. Dairy farmers and pip fruit growers have been vocal in their oppposition to any forced change to their boards' export monopolies, currently enforced by statute. But Treasurer Bill Birch said the consistent advice from Treasury was that deregulation of the boards (COMMENT The same theme as Fields on Wheels) would yield a net benefit to farmers, relevant industries and the economy... Birch said the Treasury advice in favor or reform was based on robust economic analysis of single-desk selling, an understanding of the marketplace, the experience of similar moves overseas, and "available empirical evidence". (COMMENT: I assume "robust" economic analysis is analysis done by properly educated neo-classicals who come to the proper conclusions.) > Cheers Ken Hanly >P.S. Paul Phillips needs to undergo a re-education process obviously. Comment: What exactly is "empirical" about neoclassical economics? Game Theory? IMHO Samin Amin in his "Accumulation on a World Scale" put it succinctly: "On the plane at thich theory is worked out, mathematics must be used, at least where appearances are involved. Mathematics helps us avoid hazy reasoning in which the writer gives different meanings to the same concept, as his argument dictates. But a system of false concepts remains a system of false concepts, even if the body of theorems be deduced from it in rigorous fashion (that is, avoiding vague concepts characteristic of a 'literary' tradition of intellectual mediocrity), and the reduction of the system to equations does not itself endow it with any scientific quality. Economics is then merely an esoteric and useless, even if rigorous, jeu di'espirit." (p 11) and: "Everything is for the best in the best of worlds [hypothesized sterile pure competitive capitalism]: phenomenon is rational merely because it exists. The entire theoretical construction of marginalism is erected upon this monstrous tautology, and is therefore nothing but an ideology, without anything scientific about it--the ideology of universal harmonies. It can be shown that each of the 'pieces' of this 'economic science' is itself basec on question-beggin derived from this original tautology." (p.6) "Now, marginalism, by virtue of its approach, is without the concept of structure. Current university economics talks of structures, in the plural (technical, demographic, intra-enterprise, institutional, and so on), as empirical facts that are without any interconnections, and without any connection with 'theory', which remains 'general'. It thus forbids itself from the outset to raise the question of the dynamic of systems (the transformation of structures), which it even excludes from its field of study, calling it a matter for historians. It also forbids itself to raise the real question of underdevelopment, namely, how it began historically." (p. 6) "There is something even more serious. Preoccupation with the ideology of universal harmonies compels 'economic science' to put on the garb of a 'theory of general equilibrium', which is necessarily statis in the sense that progress and change are seen as originating outside the system. The internal dynamic--accumulation--which is of the essence of the capitalist system, has to disappear. This is why marginalism carries out the feat of banishing profit from its schema. Profit is no longer even 'income of a factor': it vanishes because it is no longer anything but the 'difference between any income as it actually is and what it would be in the theoretical position of general equilibrium of the economic system as a whole. All incomes--wages, rent, interest--thus contain 'a little profit'. It is clear that the assumption of a 'static capitalism' on which the entire construction is based is not just factually unreal: it can lead nowhere but to a false theory, since it begins by eliminating the essential phenomenon." (pp 6-7) and: "...triumphant marginalism has set itself the task of working out an economic science that is
[PEN-L:1423] UofAz: education without ethics
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- To:ishgooda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, NACF News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, sovernet-l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: KOLA International Campaign Office <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: UofAz: education without ethics Date: Wed, 09 Dec 98 14:07:19 PST Eastern Arizona Courrier Safford, Arizona - Wed. Dec. 2, 1998 Letters --- EDUCATION WITHOUT ETHICS Dear Editor: University of Arizona (UA) President Peter Likins, in a recent UA campus newspaper article entitled "Likins: Most Apaches don't mind Mt. Graham desecration" declared he approved of the telescopes since the Apache he had talked to didn't object. It is sad that a supposedly learned man like President Likins would show such disrespect for the beliefs of others. The many, many Apaches who have objected to the telescopes on Dzil Nchaa Si An, (Mt. Graham), are pained by the UA's continued attempts at skirting around and circumventing U.S. religious and cultural protection laws. Our spiritual life is important to us. Mt. Graham is a reminder of our continuing Apache struggle as a people. We didn't get citizenship until 1924. As students, our feet were shackled if we dared speak our native tongue. The ban on our right to worship as Indians was not removed until 1934. Apache finally got the right to vote in 1948 after giving their lives in two World Wars. The NO APACHES, NO DOGS signs in stores next to our reservation continued into the 1960's. It is a national disgrace that UA has spent millions in congressional lobbying and in court attempting to take religious freedom from us. We have never yet been lawfully consulted by the government on this very sacred place. Countless declarations by our Tribal Council, Medicinepeople, Elders, the National Congress of American Indians, the National Council of Churches, etc. have been ignored by UA. Likins just keeps on building. Instead of this profound insult to our people, Likins should lead his institution of "higher" learning on an ethical path -- to religious freedom and a telescope location off of Dzil Nchaa Si An. Ola Cassadore Davis Chairperson Apache Survival Coalition <+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+> In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. <+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+>=<+> "Injustice Anywhere is a Threat to Justice Everywhere" FREE LEONARD PELTIER!!! FREE WOLVERINE!!! NO SCOPES ON MT. GRAHAM!!! James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1420] CANADA's Transcript on Self-Determination
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1904 01:40:03 +0100 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: NetWarriors/WarriorNET Network <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: CANADA's Transcript on Self-Determination Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --_261612==_ma Statement of Canada on Self-determination UN Working Group on the Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples December 7, 1998 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The issue of self-determination is of fundamental importance to Indigenous Peoples and is ing central to the Draft Declaration. Canada spoke at length about our understanding of the evolving nature of this right at the Second Meeting of the Working Group in 1996, and our statement from that year remains the definitive expression of Canada's position. However, I would likely to briefly restate a number of key points which are drawn from it. The right of self-determination is set out in Article 1 of the two international covenants. We recognize that this right applies equally to all collectivities, indigenous and non-indigenous, which qualify as peoples under international law. Neither the term self-determination nor peoples is clearly defined under international law. Traditionally, the right of self-determination has been understood to apply to the entire population of a state and to peoples in a colonial situation where it was equated essentially with the right to statehood. The question raised by the Draft Declaration is whether the right also exists to peoples, including indigenous peoples, living within an existing democratic state, and if so, what that right consists of. A survey of state documents and academic literature suggests the continuing evolution in the understanding of the right of self-determination. In addition, over the past several years, we have witnessed an evolution in the views of some states as a result of the discussion in this working group. Self-determination is now seen by many as an on-going right which can continue to be enjoyed in the functioning of a democracy, without threatening the political or territorial integrity of the state. For its part, the government of Canada accepts the right of self-determination for indigenous peoples which respects the political, constitutional and territorial integrity of democratic states. We see no necessary incompatibility between the mainenance of the territorial integrity of the state and the right of peoples to attain the full measure of self- determination. A state whose government represents the will of the people or peoples resident within its territory, on a basis of equality and without discrimination, and respect the principles of self-determination in ts own internal arrangements is entitled to the protection, under international law, of its territorial integrity. In this context the right of self-dtermination is intended to promote harmonious relations between states and indignous peoples. Exercise of the right must therefore involve negotiations between the states and indigenous peoples. These negotiations will need to take account of the jurisdiction, responsibilities and competence of governments, as well as..." The statement ended shortly after this; unfortunately my tape ran out before the government representative finished speaking. My sincere apologies. If any of you out there can get a complete copy, that would be extremely helpful. Thank you. A surve Dedication to Solidarity >< Calling for World Action >>> NetWarriors <<< http://hookele.com/netwarriors Peace without Truth is Genocide Una Paz sin la Verdad es Genocidio La paix sans la verite est Genocide >><<< Subscribe to WarriorNET A discussion listserve dedicated to Indigenous Solidarity SUBSCRIBE? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], no subject in the header and in the body write: subscribe warriornet your email addresss --_261612==_ma GenevaStatement of Canada on Self-determination UN Working Group on the Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples December 7, 1998 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The issue of self-determination is of fundamental importance to Indigenous Peoples and is ing central to the Draft Declaration. Canada spoke at length about our understanding of the evolving nature of this right at the Second Meeting of the Working Group in 1996, and our statement from that year remains the definitive expression of Canada's position. However, I would likely to briefly restate a number of key points which are drawn from it. The right of self-determination is set out in Article 1 of the two international covenants. We recognize that this right applies equally to all collectivities, indigenous and non-indigenous, which qua
[PEN-L:1419] "Fields on Wheels Conference"
Paul, I guess I didn't make myself clear enough. I support the Wheat Board idea and practice of marketing wheat, and you know what I think of neoclassical economics which I regard as the AIDS of economics. If Harly were going to sell to Cargill in Great Falls, I would argue that you can't have it both ways--benefits without costs. But this is a case where free associations are guaranteed in Treaty 7 and further, these associations are absolutely necessary for the survival of the Nation. Just as no domestic Canadian Law would be legitimate under international law promoting sat slavery, the same applies to any laws or practices that have the clear and foreseeable effect of promoting the destruction of a Whole People or Group--UN Convention on Genocide 1948 ratified by Canada in 1953. Harly took is grain to Browning as a result of a specific request from the Peigan Tribe. Prices for grains are extremely high at Browning because all of the businesses are owned by non-Indians who sell at unconscionable prices. Plus, this was to make the point and enforce the Treaty. The Canadian Government was worried more about the "slippery slope" of recapture of more and more Sovereign and Treaty Rights of Indigenous Peoples than it was worried about the "slippery slope" of an Indian being used as a precedent for non-Indian farmers. So behind this practice and action of Harly much much more is at stake than Harly's grains. It is literally about the survival of what is left of a Nation that is dying by the inches daily. And thanks for the kind letter and support. Jim Craven On 8 Dec 98 at 23:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ken, > You should know that it is the very superior efficiency > of the Canadian single desk system of the wheat board > that completely discredits the neo-cons (and Charles > Mueler on the PKT net) and which requires these economists, > (including my colleagues) to rail against the marketing > system -- simply because it works, and works well and more > efficiently that the private enterprise system. I used to > teach the seminars in ag ec on the marketing boards because > there was no one in the ag ec department at the U of M who knew > enough about them to teach it -- and they wouldn't learn because > the marketing boards produced superior results to open markets > and since that was contrary to neoclassical ideology, it must > necessarily be wrong. The wheat board has had its failings, > though moderate ones I would argue, but on the whole it has > been a great benefit to the Canadian farmer for over half a > century. That is the essense of the beef of the American > farmers. They can't have a wheat board because the cappos > won't let them. > As to Jims complaints about Indian exports -- sorry Jim, but > I can't support an interpretation of aboriginal rights that > serves a small (and I would argue, questionable) economic > interest at the expense of the rest of rural society. > > Paul Phillips, > Economics, > University of Manitoba. James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1411] Response: The New Boss
On 8 Dec 98 at 19:24, Ken Hanly wrote: > James Michael Craven wrote: > > > > Response: > > 1. Harley Frank was not smuggling cigarettes or running a Casino or whatever; he is a farmer. But activities such as cigarette smuggling and casinos, very injurious to Indigenous Cultures--are often seen as the last resort as a result of the continual abridgments and arrogance of the non-Indigenous systems and practices; Response: But my point is that if Frank is allowed to export without a permit without challenge by the Wheat Board then this would leave the way open for a commercial arrangement with large corporations such as Cargill. Producers of many different backgrounds fought for Wheat Pools and for single desk selling and they will fight to keep it as well. The wheat board may be wrong but I can see why they took the action they did. Since they hurt a member of the Blackfoot nation you seem blind to this. Ken, it is not because it was a Blackfoot and I don't know what the other Nations are doing--perhaps this case was to deter them to. Harly wasn't transporting grain to sell to Cargill in Great Falls, he was transporting grain to sell to another Tribe of hhis own People; a People divided by an imperially imposed dividing line--the border--between two imperial Nations that did everything possible to exterminate/assimilate Indigenous Peoples. I might add, that at Browning, the surrounding white farmers give Indians no quarter and prices in generally are highly inflated. Further, free and continual associations are imperative for the survival of what is left of Blackfoot and other Indigenous Nations and are guaranteed under a plethora of Treaties (Treaty 7 in Canada) and International Laws and Principles that supercede any Wheat Board or indeed Canadian Government decrees. No Canadian Law or Wheat Board decision can ever govern a People when the effect of that Law is to promote genocide and the destruction of that People--intended or unintended--that is what the UN Convention on Genocide (Canada ratified in 1953) is about. Further, throughout Canadian and US history Indians have been treated--and have sufffered--as targeted individuals because they were members of targeted groups. Now all of the sudden, Indians are just like everybody else--after the damages have been done/are being done--through group treatment, now Canada and the US want to say there are no group Indigenous rights or Status only individual rights--each the same as the other. This is the usual anti-affirmative action argument ignoring hundreds of years of "affirmative action" for non-Indians and now history is dead and disembodied from the present with the sweep of the imperial hand. Waywayseecapo is 14 miles west of me. There are two Dakota Sioux reserves to the south and west of me, and a Cree reserve to the east. There is not one single peep I have heard from them complaining about the wheat board. Around here, at least, it is non-aboriginal farmers near the border who want to take advantage of temporary price differentials and export grain without licences. I know of no native in Manitoba (or Saskatchewan) who is in jail because he (no shes have tried this as far as I know) violated the export regulations. 2. Extraterritoriality is exactly what is going on when the Canadian Government arrogates laws and divisions and practices on Indigenous Nations (A Nation does not make treaties with its own citizens nor with even groups of its own citizens only with sovereign--alien--Nations. Indigenous Peoples in the US and Canada were never asked if they wanted to be "citizens"--they were summarily declared as such in the US and in Canada, they were offered bribes and inducements to de-status or de-Indianize; Until land claims are settled most if not all border crossings will be in the alien's (Canada's) territory and Canadian law will apply without there being any extraterritoriality. Are you saying you do not want to be a US citizen and have the right to vote etc.? How does becoming a citizen de-status or de-Indianize? Anyway it is impossible to de-Indianize the Inuit. One of my sons has dual citizenship, US and Canadian, since he was born in the US. Does this warp his identity? Response: Ken, check out the Canadian naturalization/assimilation laws that "gave" Indians the "right to vote" (for the lesser of evils or the evil of lessers) and made First Nations Peoples "citizens" only upon formally renouncing First Nations Status. Actually I am a Canadian and US Citizen (two passports) but when I cross into Canada I use my Tribal ID Card which causes some problems. The Canadian and US Governments demand STatus Cards which Blackfoot refuse to use for the same reason that no Jew should every allow a nazi to define and "certify"
[PEN-L:1378] Baloney!: US DEFINES SELF-DETERMINATION FOR INDIGENOUS P
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Boyle, Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Baloney!: US DEFINES SELF-DETERMINATION FOR INDIGENOUS --_=_NextPart_001_01BE21F8.853D6130 It is not for the USG to define self-determination for Indigenous Peoples or anyone else for that matter. Public International Law has already done this. Francis A. Boyle Professor of International Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, Ill. 61820 Phone: 217-333-7954 Fax: 217-244-1478 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please delete all copies. > -- > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 9:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: US DEFINES SELF-DETERMINATION FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AS: > SUB-NATIONALS > > AGAIN THE USDEL DID NOT PREPARE A HARDCOPY STATEMENT, WE WILL BE > TRANSCRIBING A TAPE ASAP TO DELIVER TO YOU > Dedication to Solidarity >< Calling for World Action > >>> NetWarriors <<< >http://hookele.com/netwarriors >Peace without Truth is Genocide > Una Paz sin la Verdad es Genocidio > La paix sans la verite est Genocide > >><<< > Subscribe to WarriorNET > A discussion listserve dedicated to > Indigenous Solidarity > >SUBSCRIBE? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], >no subject in the header and in the body write: >subscribe warriornet your email addresss James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1377] AGENDA CHANGES!
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Boyle, Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: AGENDA CHANGES! Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:16:37 -0600 Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Indigenous Friends: It is not for the governments to "define" Indigenous Peoples. You must define Yourselves. Francis A. Boyle Professor of International Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 217-333-7954(voice) 217-244-1478(fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1904 5:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: AGENDA CHANGES! > > The agenda has been changed and today the governments move to define: > > Indigenous Peoples > > > > > > Dedication to Solidarity >< Calling for World Action > >>> NetWarriors <<< >http://hookele.com/netwarriors >Peace without Truth is Genocide > Una Paz sin la Verdad es Genocidio > La paix sans la verite est Genocide > >><<< > Subscribe to WarriorNET > A discussion listserve dedicated to > Indigenous Solidarity > >SUBSCRIBE? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], >no subject in the header and in the body write: >subscribe warriornet your email addresss James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1375] Response: The New Boss
Response: 1. Harley Frank was not smuggling cigarettes or running a Casino or whatever; he is a farmer. But activities such as cigarette smuggling and casinos, very injurious to Indigenous Cultures--are often seen as the last resort as a result of the continual abridgments and arrogance of the non-Indigenous systems and practices; 2. Extraterritoriality is exactly what is going on when the Canadian Government arrogates laws and divisions and practices on Indigenous Nations (A Nation does not make treaties with its own citizens nor with even groups of its own citizens only with sovereign--alien--Nations. Indigenous Peoples in the US and Canada were never asked if they wanted to be "citizens"--they were summarily declared as such in the US and in Canada, they were offered bribes and inducements to de-status or de-Indianize; 3. We are talking about the survival of a Whole People--historically recognized as a Whole People--almost extinct; to trivialize this with ugly racist references/pseudo analogies to preserving cannabilism in New Zealand is extremely offensive and demeans you. To suggest that Indian Rights necessary for their survival is to set precedent that may be used by non-Indians, and use that as a pretext to deny National Self-determination, is to trivialize and de-Indianize Indians and Indian Nations and their right to survival; 4. It is through assimilation and integration--not its opposite--that Indians have sufffered the greatest threats to survival and National existence. Those who would exterminate Indians, rarely openly declared that as their "intention"; they often define extermination in physical existence terms only, they often will assert that they are all for Indians surviving as along as they integrate and no longer remain Indians--only stated intentions are not the issue, rather, clearly foreseeable and inexorable effects of given policies and practices are the issue; 5. If I come to your house, put a gun to your head, drive you out and destroy all records and names that could reveal your original occupancy, can I sell your house and can the buyer retain it once the true story of acquisition has been told--under bourgeois law? Can I return a portion of your house under the condition that you occupy a portion of it solely and only under my conditions and limits--under bourgeois law? Can I divide your family into different sections of the house and forbid to to freely associate with or assist another part of your family in another part of the house? 6. Blackfoot and other Nations existed on both sides of what is now the US-Canadian border before there was a US or Canada. Obviously the Jay Treaty, guaranteeing free mobility across the line is meaningless if accepted and recognized by the US alone. Since the Canadian Government is more often and out-and-out whore of US imperialism, why the sudden selectivity and surge of phony "nationalism"--when it comes to Indians? In any case, can the Government of Poland dictate who is or is not a Canadian, where Canadians may go and to whom Canadians may sell? Indigenous Nations regard control by the Canadian Government to be like control of Canadians by the Polish Government or the government of some other Nation. In fact, so many of the bourgeois nationalists in Canada who are incensed about the penetration and control of US Multinationals in Canada as projections and instruments of US Imperial power ought to understand how Indians feel about the Canadian Government--Maybe its Karma Time for Canada. 7. Whole groups of animals have never had anything to fear from Aboriginal hunting and fishing practices--only from the high-tech and blood-lusts of the non-Aboriginals. If anyone is arguing about the parity of animals with Indians in terms of conern for survival, well I can only say that is just more of the usual. All forms of life feed on other forms of life and Aboriginal hunting and fishing practices have never led to the threat of extinction of any species--rather the opposite as many species survived as a result of the holistic wisdom embodied in Aboriginal hunting/fishing practices. Jim Craven On 8 Dec 98 at 15:21, Ken Hanly wrote: > James Michael Craven wrote: > The Wheat Board is no angel, though I doubt it has any genocidal intension in > prosecuting Frank, even though requiring an export permit may alter traditional >modes of > activity somewhat. My understanding is that one can get an export permit from the >Board. > I am not sure how that works but I imagine Frank would not get directly paid then >but it > would go through the board and he would be reimbursed in the same way as other >sellers > through several payments -as noted in the article I sent. > One possibility is to have an exception for this type of trading. The wheat board > is probably concerned that if it allows this type
[PEN-L:1361] Re: The New Boss
Response (Jim Craven) Let me provide another view for consideration--the case of Harley Frank, a Kainai Blackfoot. Among the Pikuni (Blackfoot) People there are three main "Tribes": Siksika (Blackfoot), Kainai (Blood) and Peigan (Pikuni). The Siksika and Kainai Reserves are in Alberta and the Peigan Reservation is at Browning, Montana just across the U.S. Canadian Border. The Reserves/Reservations are almost geographically continguous and the Pikuni People have lived in this region before there was a United States of America or Canada certainly before any existing border--a whole People and Nation is divided by this border. Harly Frank, a Kainai Blackfoot farmer and former Tribal chairman brought his wheat across the border to sell and distribute ONLY to his People of another Tribe of the Nation--Peigan Blackfoot. For this he was charged with violation of the wheat export control act. Canada refuses to recognize the Jay Treaty of 1794 guaranteeing Indians the absolute right to freely migrate unmolested across the US and Canadian borders--the US supposedly recognizes the Treaty. Harly Frank was put on trial in Alberta, harassed, almost bankrupted dealing with the Canadian Federal government and the case remains in abeyance as a result of massive protests and, as a result of new twists and turns in the case. There is overwhelming evidence that when it came to abducting Indian children for adoption and forced placement in Boarding/Residential Schools or chasing fugitives, the Canadian-US Border was no obstacle. But when it comes to unification and free and natural association and trading between Tribes of a whole and Sovereign Nation, then the Canadian-US border and the wheat export control act are strictly enforced--even after NAFTA. Further, this division and interference with imperative associations between Peoples of different Tribes of a whole Nation is a deliberate and inevitable instrument of genocide; it facilitates the more rapid and more extensive destruction/extermination/extinction of a whole People as a People by threatening and interferring with traditional bonds that are imperative to maintain to maintain the survival of a People. The Canadian Wheat Board and the Canadian Government clearly moved against Harly Frank out of fear of precedent that could be used by non-Indian farmers thus also attempting to de-Indianize Harley Frank and breat Status Rights of Indians to break any and all Status recognition or protections or Tribal/Nation--"Group"--Rights. So there is another side to all of this and a very ugly and genocidal side to the Wheat Board and the Canadian Government. We don't need the Canadian Government or the US Government to selectively, arbitrarily and capriciously "define" our Status and Status Rights or indeed degree of Sovereignty--International Law and History have already done that. Jim Craven On 8 Dec 98 at 8:33, Ken Hanly wrote: This is from the Western Producer a farm newspaper published in Regina Sask. It is written by Robert Rampton from their Winnipeg (Manitoba) bureau. NOTE:The Wheat Board is the single desk seller of all of some grains such as wheat. The Board is a favorite target of many US prairie farmers who accuse it of dumping. They have had the board audited under the terms of NAFTA many times, always with negative results. This hasn't convinced them otherwise. Yesterday entry points were blocked by farmers in North Dakota and Montana. The real problem is world prices for wheat and some other grains. Market prices have fallen below the costs of production. This is true both for US and Canadian farmers. Ask any economist for the U of Saskatchewan whether the board gets a premium price for the farmer's grain and they will claim it does. You will get a different answer from some U of California economists. There is conflict in Canada about the role of the board. Some farmers have gone to jail for exporting without proper permits. Of course these farmers blather on about freedom to sell where they wish all to the great glee of industry giants such as Cargill. Anyway don't get the idea that I don't support the board or that it is a bad thing even though this post may not show it in an entirely positive light. Australia, I believe, has a simiilar system for marketing grain, or some types of grain. Cheers, Ken Hanly "The pleas of a Manitoba farm group for higher initial payments for hard red spring wheat may not compute. Keystone Agricultural Producers wants the Canadian Wheat Board to narrow the 38 to 58 dollars per tonne spread between initial prices and the October pool return outlook. "Its the farmer's own money, its increased cash flow," explained Don Dewar, president of KAP. He said the wheat board should recommend an increased payment to the federal government so farmers get some extra money by Christmas, while they wait for a larger aid package
[PEN-L:1351] (Fwd) HONOR OUR ANCESTORS RALLY
December 3, 1998 E-MAIL MESSAGE FROM COLVILLE COMMUNICATION SERVICES, NESPELEM, WA. TO: VARIOUS PARTIES FR: Sheila Whitelaw, Press Secretary, Colville Business Council Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation, Nespelem, WA RE: HONOR OUR ANCESTORS PRESS ADVISORY Please find attached the 2-page press advisory that has been authorized by the Colville Business Council for distribution to media outlets and other interested parties. We will have a final press advisory and/or prepared press release for distribution from our Hotel Santa Fe press conference/work room on Wednesday, Dec. 9, 1998, in addition to press kits which we have available at the press conference. Jim: Please distribute the attached press advisory to your outlets. We are faxing you a copy today. Fidel: Please distribute the attached press advisory to your outlets. We are faxing you a copy today. People: Take note of the 11:30 start time at the press conference which should give us 30 minutes for arrivals, blessings and intros before the moment of silence at 12/noon sharp. For your information, Connie Johnston, the legislative assistant to the Colville Business Council and I will be arriving in Santa Fe, Tuesday afternoon, Dec. 8. We will be located at the Hotel Santa Fe. If you have any questions, call me at (509) 634-2223. You will more than likely hear a message on that number. Our office phone has been partially out-of-order lately! HONOR OUR ANCESTORS RALLY & HONOR VIGIL PRESS CONFERENCE NATIONAL MOMENT OF SILENCE 11:30 A.M. START, THURSDAY, DECEMBER 10, 1998 NEW MEXICO STATE CAPITOL AT SANTA FE ROTUNDA BUILDING NATIONAL MOMENT OF SILENCE AT 12:00/NOON SHARP WHY IS THE PRESS CONFERENCE, RALLY, AND HONOR VIGIL HAPPENING IN SANTA FE, NEW MEXICO ON DEC. 10, 1998? THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT, SOVEREIGNTY-THREATENING NATIONAL AMERICAN INDIAN TRIBAL ISSUE! The Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA) Review Committee Meeting and Public Hearing is being held at the Hotel Santa Fe, Santa Fe, New Mexico on December 10-12, 1998. At the site of this three-day meeting, American Indian Tribes and others will promote national and intertribal support for the NAGPRA which is danger of being changed to allow scientific access and study of the ancient remains of American Indians throughout the United States. Now is the time to unify in support of the immediate repatriation of all American Indian human remains and funerary objects. Through this effort, we can restore the dignity and respect that the American Indian people in this country so rightfully deserve. PRESS CONFERENCE SPEAKERS MARLA BIG BOY, RESERVATION ATTORNEY Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation, Nespelem, Washington GARY JOHNSON, GOVERNOR, State of New Mexico ALVIN MOYLE, CHAIRMAN, Fallon Paiute-Shoshone Tribe, Fallon, Nevada DEBRA HARRY, COORDINATOR Indigenous Peoples Coalition Against Biopiracy (IPCAB), Nixon, Nevada PRESS CONFERENCE AGENDA Presentation of Colors-American Indian Veterans Honor Guard Opening Prayer & Spiritual Blessing-American Indian Elder NATIONAL MOMENT OF SILENCE-12:00/NOON SHARP Marla Big Boy, Reservation Attorney, Colville Tribes-Introductions Governor Gary Johnson, State of New Mexico (or his designee) State of New Mexico Proclamation & Statement Alvin Moyle, Chairman, Fallon Paiute-Shoshone Tribe-Statement Debra Harry, Coordinator, IPCAB-Statement Marla Big Boy, Reservation Attorney, Colville Tribes-Final Statement Speakers Meet The Press-Questions/Answers Press Conference is expected to last approximately one hour. See attachment for additional Honor Our Ancestors Rally & Honor Vigil information. -CONTINUED- HONOR OUR ANCESTORS RALLY & HONOR VIGIL December 10-12, 1998 - Santa Fe, New Mexico DETAILED MEDIA ADVISORY INTERTRIBAL RALLY & HONOR VIGIL SCHEDULE DECEMBER 10, 1998 - SANTA FE, NEW MEXICO #1. AT APPROXIMATELY 1:30 P.M., WALKING MARCH BEGINS AT THE NEW MEXICO CAPITOL ROTUNDA BUILDING AND ENDS AT THE SANTA FE PLAZA. (MAPS OF ROUTE AVAILABLE AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE); #2. INTERTRIBAL RALLY AT THE SANTA FE PLAZA AND DELIVERY OF STATEMENTS, LETTERS OF SUPPORT, DECLARATIONS, RESOLUTIONS, AND PETITIONS IN SUPPORT OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN GRAVES PROTECTION AND REPATRIATION ACT (NAGPRA) TO THE NAGPRA COMMITTEE MEETING AT THE HOTEL SANTA FE. RALLY WILL CONCLUDE IN MID-AFTERNOON; #3. HONOR VIGIL AND TESTIMONIES ON NAGPRA ISSUES AT THE LAFONDA HOTEL BALLROOM, CITY OF SANTA FE FROM 6:00 P.M. TO 11:00 P.M. MEDIA INVITED TO ATTEND ALL EVENTS EVENTS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR MEDIA ASSISTANCE, CONTACT: Marla Big Boy, Reservation Attorney, Colville Tribes (509) 634-2383 - Voice Mail For Messages 24-Hours-A-Day (505) 982-1200, Hotel Santa Fe, Santa Fe, New Mexico - Dec. 7-12, 1998 Sheila Whitelaw, Press Secretary, Colville Tribes (509) 634-2223 - Voice Mail For Messages 24-Hours-A-Day (505) 982-1200, Hotel Santa Fe, Santa Fe, New Mexico, Dec. 9-10, 1998 Press Room Available At
[PEN-L:1332] ONTARIO IN ACTION!
Gerald Keddy House of Commons Parliament Buildings Ottawa, On K1A 0A6 Dear Sir, I am writing to you regarding the United Nations Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples which is currently under review by the UN Intersessional Working Group in Geneva. As you may already know, the United States Department of State has just released its position regarding this critical document. Unfortunately, the United States Department is essentially trying to render the Declaration meaningless. The recommendations outlined by the United States are not only numerous, they are also far-reaching. For instance they seek the creation of a new Declaration emphasizing individual rights rather than collective ones. They also would like to see the elimination of self-determination and the redefinition of Indigenous Peoples as individuals or groups rather than as peoples or nations. These recommendations if agreed upon would mark the end of the Declaration. Over 160 Indigenous Peoples’organizations, forty two United Nations state members, nine specialized UN agencies, and other interested non-government organizations have been diligently working for eleven years to develop the current 1993 Draft. This document in essence, represents a minimum standard of human rights for Indigenous Peoples. An erosion of this basic standard would send the wrong message to Indigenous Peoples and to the world. It would indicate that the international community does not believe in international standards of human rights when they interfere with the polical desires of its most powerful player. I do not want to abide by this cynical view. I am writing to you as a member of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Nothern Development, to pressure the Canadian Government with regard to this Draft Declaration and to ensure that, contrary to what is happening south of the border, we adopt a position which recognizes the minimum standard of human rights as outlined in this Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Yours sincerely, Jo=EBlle Favreau Dedication to Solidarity >< Calling for World Action >>> NetWarriors <<< http://hookele.com/netwarriors Peace without Truth is Genocide Una Paz sin la Verdad es Genocidio La paix sans la verite est Genocide >><<< Subscribe to WarriorNET A discussion listserve dedicated to Indigenous Solidarity SUBSCRIBE? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], no subject in the header and in the body write: subscribe warriornet your email addresss --_-1299090898==_ma James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) "I am aware that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth,and as uncompromising as justice. On this subject, I do not wish to think,or speak,or write with moderation. No! No! Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in ernest-- I will not equivocate--I will not excuse. I will not retreat a single inch--and I will be heard. (William Lloyd Garrison, 1831, Abolitionist Leader) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1331] Response Re: Sovereign Nations Within a Nation
Response: Ken, you have it exactly right. Further, under exting Federal Law (Titles 9, 18 and 25 USC) Indians are not treated as individuals but as members of Groups--Tribes and Nations--and furthermore, individual Indians are typically treated not as individuals but members of a broader collective by a whole plethora of racist attitudes and practices by segments of the non-Indian World. Indians were summarily declared to be U.S. citizens in 1924--not one Indian was ever asked if he/she wanted to be summarily declared a U.S. Citizen. The whole concept of the BIA is a Federal Agency to deal with "foreign entities and Peoples" within the broader U.S. (Do we have a Bureau of Caucasian Affairs or a Bureau of African-American Affairs? Indinas could not even vote in Arizona until 1958. The official U.S. government position at Geneva would summarily strip Indians of collective identities and any rights exercised through any sovereign powers (collective) in recognized and Treaty-protected Indian lands. The Dawes Act of 1887 which turned collective and communal Tribal lands into individualized "allotments" was in the same veign--designed to privatize, individualize and commodify Tribal communal lands--saleable to non-Indians--so as to summarily break and abrogate communal lands, relations, institutions and even identities--while racist institutions remained to treat individual Indians as part of broader groups stereotyped, slandered and discriminated against as whole groups with each individual member suffering as a member of the targeted whole group. There is also the matter of the UN Convention on Genocide. Denying Treaty-protected "Indian Nation Status and Collective Rights" not only violates the Vienna Convention on Treaties, it would forcibly "transfer" Indian children as members of currently-Federal Government-recognized groups with group rights to another group in which they supposedly have only rights as isolated individuals (violation of Article II) The shere arrogance is unbelievable. Just like the U.S. Government summarily declaring that 25% blood-quantum is required to be recognized as a US Government approved Indian regardless of one's recognized status within a given Tribe or Nation--this was done to more easily facilitate aquisitions of allotted lands that could not be passed on to non-Status Indians. If this goes through, there will be ample grounds to impeach Clinton far more serious than blow-jobs in the Oral Office. Jim Craven On 7 Dec 98 at 12:54, Ken Hanly wrote: > James Michael Craven wrote: > Surely the position of the US reps. involves a logical contradiction. > I assume treaties were signed with tribes not individual natives. These > treaties give certain rights to GROUPS of individuals. Because of these > group rights INDIVIDUALS within tribes who have signed treaties with the > US government will have certain individual rights that other US citizens > will not have. Therefore, it is simply not the case that aboriginals who > have signed treaties with the US govt. have the same individual rights as > every other US citizen, and the US reps' claim is contradictory. > How on earth can the US reps' position be defended-- or even make > sense given that treaties surely exist? > Cheers, Ken Hanly > > > > --- Forwarded Message Follows --- > > From: "James Michael Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Organization: Clark College, Vancouver WA, USA > > To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:04:36 PST8PDT > > Subject: Sovereign Nations Within a Nation > > Priority: normal > > > > Dear Mr. President: > > > > I am writing to you as a member of the Blackfoot Confederacy to > > protest and register very strong indignation at the official > > positions being taken by your State Department at the UN Conference > > on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in Geneva Switzerland. Your > > Administration has taken the position that American Indians have only > > individual rights--those of any other American Citizen--and not > > collective or Tribal/National Rights of Self-determination. > > > > The official position of your Administration: a) Would summarily deny > > or abrogate existing Treaties with Indian Nations (Nations do not > > make Treaties with their own individual citizens only with other > > Sovereign Nations); b) Would summarily violate and deny the core > > principles of the Vienna Convention the definitive, International Law > > of Treaties; c) Would summarily do what hundreds of years of infected > > blankets, alcohol and drugs, stolen lands, the BIA and other forms > > and instrume
[PEN-L:1322] Sovereign Nations Within a Nation
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "James Michael Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Clark College, Vancouver WA, USA To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:04:36 PST8PDT Subject: Sovereign Nations Within a Nation Dear Mr. President: I am writing to you as a member of the Blackfoot Confederacy to protest and register very strong indignation at the official positions being taken by your State Department at the UN Conference on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in Geneva Switzerland. Your Administration has taken the position that American Indians have only individual rights--those of any other American Citizen--and not collective or Tribal/National Rights of Self-determination. The official position of your Administration: a) Would summarily deny or abrogate existing Treaties with Indian Nations (Nations do not make Treaties with their own individual citizens only with other Sovereign Nations); b) Would summarily violate and deny the core principles of the Vienna Convention the definitive, International Law of Treaties; c) Would summarily do what hundreds of years of infected blankets, alcohol and drugs, stolen lands, the BIA and other forms and instruments of Genocide have been unable to completely finish--the total extermination and extinction of Indian Nations as Nations; d) would violate several Articles of the UN Convention on Genocide (that it took the U.S. over 40 years to sign and still the U.S. remains arrogantly outside of with the Lugar-Helms-Hatch "Sovereignty Amendment of 1988)--specifically, Article II (b) "Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group", (c) "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part", and (e) "Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group"; and in addition, all of the sub-sections of Article III. This may seem to you to be hyperbole, but the fact is that it is integration with non-Indian American society that has accelerated rather than ameliorated the conditions leading to the destruction/extinction of Indian Nations, Cultures and even individual Indians. What is left of Indian Cultures and Peoples remains only as a result of refusal to integrate or assimilate and collective protection/enforcement of Treaties and collective Rights, and the position of your Administration would arrogantly and summarily define away Sovereign Rights embodied in legitimate Treaties--already broken and betrayed on so many occasions and for narrow interests. We do not beg you to "give" us Collective Rights of Self-Determination and National Sovereignty, we demand and assert them as a matter of the same principles and concepts of International Law and Covenants to which the U.S. Government regularly holds other Nations --and to which we have been held--enforced through bloody projections of U.S. military power. No Nation can remain a Great Nation and engage in arrogance, bullying and summary abrogations of principles of International Law that it demands to be held for itself only. Please reverse this official position immediately and: a) Recognize officially the Right of Indigenous Peoples of the U.S. to the Status and Recognition of all Indigenous Peoples throughout the World; b) Support the International Right of Self-Determination for All Indigenous Peoples; c) Support the Draft UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples as currently written; d) Acknowledge that International Human Rights must embrace both Individual and Collective (National Sovereignty/Survival) Rights; e) Acknowledge and affirm that all Treaties between the U.S. and Indigenous Peoples are binding International Documents subject to interpretation and enforcement by impartial international Tribunals and International Law; Pay the US dues owed to the UN as other Nations have and must pay, and stop the hypocrisy, superpower/imperial arrogance and selective interpretation/enforcement of International Law. Differnetial treatment under the law and differential enforcement of Law--Domestic or International--only facilitates anarchy and Social Darwinism that ultimately destroys even its beneficiaries. Sincerely, James M. Craven Member, Blackfoot Confederacy Professor, Economics Biographical Subject in Marquis "Who's Who in: The World, America, The West, Science and Engineering, Finance and Industry James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost g
[PEN-L:1292] Begish: Open Letter to HAARP Supporters
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 13:26:39 -0800 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Wes Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MC] Begish: Open Letter to HAARP Supporters Reply-to: Wes Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Forwarded -- Earthpulse Press Incorporated Dr. Nick Begich P.O. Box 201393 Anchorage, Alaska 99520 USA Internet: www.earthpulse.com Fax 907-696-1277 November 17, 1998 An Open Letter to our HAARP Supporters: I ran into the HAARP story quite by accident in 1994. At the encouragement of my friends Gael and Patrick Flanagan I wrote the first significant article on HAARP and co-authored a book about the technology with Jeane Manning, Angels Don't Play This HAARP. That story led to research in non-lethal weapons, electromagnetic systems, environmental weapons, new types of biological weapons and related technologies. For four years my wife, children, a few close friends and I processed tens of thousands of inquiries related to these subjects, wrote and responded to interviews for hundreds of publications, were aired on thousands of radio programs and gave lectures on the subjects in twenty states and twenty countries. By 1995, I had left my position with the Anchorage School District in order to keep up with the demands of the HAARP story. By the end of 1995 we had begun to move back into the other areas of interest to us yet HAARP continued to pull large amounts of time and energy. Since that time, we have allowed HAARP related work to dominate much of our time at the expense of other work. We felt that the subject needed this level of commitment in order to reach a high level of public and political debate. As an author and publisher I realized that the freedom of the press means more than the right to print what it wants to print. It has more to do with the idea of maintaining an informed population through open public debate and discourse, particularly on topics related to public policy. We built a significant database of research materials on weapon systems which we disseminated around the world to news organizations, elected officials and scientists. I had an interesting and in some ways an unsettling past few months. I was in Brussels in early October reviewing some draft resolutions of the European Parliament in opposition to HAARP, certain non-lethal technologies and new electromagnetic weapon technology which can debilitate human health. While finishing this work I received word of the death of one of my dearest friends, Gael Flanagan, who was in large part the inspiration for the book Angeles Don't Play this HAARP. Gael spoke with my wife often in the days before she died and strongly encouraged me to withdraw from the HAARP debate and leave it to others to resolve the issue. There comes a time when others who hold positions and citizens generally have to decide if the issue is important enough to take action on. While in Europe, I was informed that the US State Department had sent someone there after my testimony in the Security and Disarmament sub-committee of the European Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee. This was a hearing in early February which NATO refused to attend and debate the issues when asked by the Chairman of the Committee to provide information. The State Department official spent some weeks in Brussels but was unsuccessful in dissuading our supporters, who now have extensive documents on these matters. Presently, the inevitable is happening here in Alaska. The military in cooperation with our Congressional delegation has begun the process of locating and funding a new ICBM Defense system here in Alaska. The project is to be funded at $11.4 Billion USd. In addition, a number of other related installations are being expanded and funded here. We have continued to reinvest all of our organizations revenues into expanding our work and increasing the scope of our activities in the belief that an activist media organization like ours is needed. As a family and small organization we are limited in what we can do. As an activist publisher we have to balance our time commitments in order to continue to bring forward leading information in many areas of science, technology and politics. I have attached some excepts from recent communications to further clarify our position in these matters. I personally want to thank you for your interest and help in brining these issues forward. We appreciate your support on the HAARP problem and ask that you stay in touch with us through our publishing and communication efforts on the other important subjects of Earthpulse. Thank you. Always In Service, Nick November 17, 1998 Excerpts from Private communique In February, when I was giving testimony in Europe, and on this most recent trip, the issue of the US building a new Star Wars defense system was discussed. These are the most recent developments: 1. Alaska is one of the two primary lo
[PEN-L:1276] (Fwd) (Fwd) A Life Lesson
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "James Michael Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Clark College, Vancouver WA, USA To:"Campus Master List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:02:59 PST8PDT Subject: (Fwd) A Life Lesson This was forwarded to me and I just had to share it with the campus. Although some people have a problem understanding that the real "business" of Clark College is education-- knowledge ideas, opinions, information and data and how they are formulated and evaluated and utilized-- as opposed to architecture, grounds, revenue raising, influence in Olympia (also important but subordinate to the central purpose education), this is indeed "business related" and therefore should go out for serious consideration. Jim Craven BUREAUCRACY [ AND TYRANNY] IN ACTION! 1. Start with a cage containing five apes. In the cage, hang a banana on a string and put stairs under it. Before long, an ape will go to the stairs and start to climb toward the Banana. 2. As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the apes with cold water. After a while, another ape makes an attempt with the same result--all the apes are sprayed with cold water. 3. Turn off the cold water. If later another ape tries to climb the stairs, the other apes will try to prevent it even though no water sprays them. 4. Now, remove one ape from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new ape sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his horror, all of the other apes attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted. 5. Next, remove another of the original five apes and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm. 6. Again, replace a third original ape with a new one. The new one makes it to the stairs and is attacked as well. Two of the four apes that beat him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs, or why they are participating in the beating of the newest ape. 7. After replacing the fourth and fifth original apes, all the apes which have been sprayed with cold water have been replaced. Nevertheless, no ape ever again approaches the stairs. Why not? "BECAUSE that's the way it's always been done around here." James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) Those who take the meat from the table, teach contentment. Those for whom the taxes are destined, demand sacrifice. Those who eat their fill, speak to the hungry, of wonderful times to come. Those who lead the country into the abyss, call ruling too difficult, for ordinary folk. (Bertolt Brecht) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion* James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) "I am aware that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth,and as uncompromising as justice. On this subject, I do not wish to think,or speak,or write with moderation. No! No! Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in ernest-- I will not equivocate--I will not excuse. I will not retreat a single inch--and I will be heard. (William Lloyd Garrison, 1831, Abolitionist Leader) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1235] Re: Re: Re: Ford and GM's Nazi ties
Response: So would courage on this man's part been to have joined the "America First" Movement? Of course World War II was an inter-imperialist war in many respects; but the everyday airmen, sailors, soldiers were used as cannon fodder and little to do with that. And once the war began, the defeat of fascism was an imperative and yes bombs were dropped on civilians (some outright supporters of fascism, some not) on all sides. But ask those liberated from concentration camps and occupied territories if they minded whatever it took to break Germany, Japan and Italy; many in the resistance movements called bombs down on their own positions for strategic objectives. And as someone who once served as an instrument of U.S. imperialism as a young man at a different stage of consciousness, it does take courage to go on even with your doubts to try to carry through with the lot that has been handed to you and yes, perhaps you were too ill/un-informed to make an alternative choice if one was indeed available. My father served in China-Burma-Indian Theater and perhaps he bombed civilians but whatever he did was nothing compared with the Rape of Nanking and the ugliness of the forces that had to be defeated. All war is sick but sometimes the nature and uglyness of the enemy dictate the means that are imperative to defeat and stop that ugliness. Jim Craven On 4 Dec 98 at 7:59, William S. Lear wrote: > On Thu, December 3, 1998 at 23:08:01 (-0800) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >Bill Lear wrote: > >> > >> Dropping bombs on civilians from 25,000 feet is courage? > > > >Actually, the airman had one of the highest mortality rates in the war. > >So, if you grant the reasonableness of the war ... > > ..., then, dropping bombs on civilians from 25,000 feet while being > shot at is a reasonable and courageous act. > > I thought the brave refused such things... > > I guess I don't mind so much credit given for flying about, being shot > at by Germans, but I do wish a bit more care was taken in slapping > this fellow on the back without mentioning on whose heads the bombs > were dropping. > > The dark side needs to be shown the light as well. > > > Bill James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) "I am aware that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth,and as uncompromising as justice. On this subject, I do not wish to think,or speak,or write with moderation. No! No! Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in ernest-- I will not equivocate--I will not excuse. I will not retreat a single inch--and I will be heard. (William Lloyd Garrison, 1831, Abolitionist Leader) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1209] Re: Re: pen-l questions
On 3 Dec 98 at 16:07, Michael Perelman wrote: I very much appreciate Jim Devine's question that he put to all of us. I think that those economists among us could do more to help each other, enlighten each other, and to find ways to contribute to social change. Like Jim, I enjoy the banter as well as much of the other non-economic material, but I think that Jim is absolutely correct that we should do more. I wish that we could work as a service where unions or activist organizations could throw questions at us. Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901 Here Here Michael! During the early 70s I was in London and went to Highgate Cemetary to visit Karl Marx's grave (he is buried a few feet from Herbert Spencer the social darwinist). I was sitting there alone meditating and along came a contingent of Chinese from the PRC Trade Legation. We sat around together talking (they were surprised that I had a pocket copy of Chair man Mao's sayings) and discussed the inscription on Marx's grave from his "Theses on Feuerbach": "The Philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it." I was taken with the notion that of all of Marx's sayings, this one in particular was so appropriate and indeed summed up Marx's life and contributions and passion. Theory is indeed important as practice, without theory or guidance, leads to groping in the dark and many painful and bloody and avoidable mistakes being made. On the other hand, theory without being linked to concrete practice, is like a compass without a ship--interesting but sterile--and further, it is through the sailing of the ship (application in concrete practice), guided by the compass, that the compass gets calibrated (tested and validated/refuted) as well as the ship going more directly to a given destination. Just a few meagre thoughts. And thanks Michael. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) "I am aware that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth,and as uncompromising as justice. On this subject, I do not wish to think,or speak,or write with moderation. No! No! Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in ernest-- I will not equivocate--I will not excuse. I will not retreat a single inch--and I will be heard. (William Lloyd Garrison, 1831, Abolitionist Leader) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1208] One More Thought
Valis, One more thought: The Administrator and Politician as Slave "Before delivering a Law Day speech at a Western university, I attended a reception with its president. By the time the evening was over, the poor man had osculated the hindquarters of every dowager and shaky old fossil who might die in the near term and leave the school even a pittance. His nose, brown as a little acorn, had been worn smooth from a lifetime of toadying and truckling. He knew all the politicians within three hundred miles of the campus by their first names, as well as the names of their spouses, their lovers, and their children, all of whom he mentioned with the most exuberant affectionh, but whom, in his heart, he must have despised. The president told me he had answered forty-three phone calls between his arrival from work and when he left home to have dinner with several of his board members. He had recently suffered a heart bypass surgery, though he was quick to advise me that he was in the best of health. He could not afford to be seen as ill, old, or tired. His belly hung over his belt like bread dough over a pan, but he passed it off as a temporary condition he was happily rectifying on his treadmill. His eyes were puffy, his skin as pallid as old newspapers. When he walked into the reception, without missing a beat, without forgetting a name, he sucked up to every professor, every assistant, every spouse of every secretary--indeed, at last to everyone, for he could afford no enemies. Not one. Although this man had the power to fire half the house in attendance that evening, to maintain his position at the top of the heap he had to be allied with everyone. And thus he lacked the liberty to take a stand on any issue. He could not permit himself to lead, to create controversy, to be brave. As the time for my speech approached, he began to fret at the thought that I might say something offensive to the audience (as I have been known to do), because, ostensibly, I was speaking under his auspices. In the end, few likely respected him at all. I thought him one of the most wretched men I had ever met, the quintessential organizational slave who is cloned in nearly every politician, administrator, corporate minion, and public servant." (Gerry Spence "Give Me Liberty pp 33-34) Jim Craven: To the Campus Community: In the spirit of our Campus-wide Abilities and in the spirit of the real "business" of Clark College--education--and two of the essential . Is it not time to throw off the shroud? Is it not time to speak out, to cry out, to fly, to test wings, to fall, and to laugh with joy over the divine bruises? Gerry Spence "Give Me Liberty: Freeing Ourselves in the Twenty-First Century" Good one, Jim; very stirring, very true. I doubt its effect on people of the bottom line, however, such as college administrators. I have said things to bank officers that would have evoked fisticuffs in anyone with so much as the balls of a jackrabbit, but all I ever got was the brilliant flash of capped teeth, behind which was intoned a silent mantra: The important thing is the money. valis VERY well, you liberals, And navigators into realms intellectual, You sailors through heights imaginative, Blown about by erratic currents, tumbling into air pockets, You Margaret Fuller Slacks, Petits, And Tennessee Claflin Shopes-- You found with all your boasted wisdom How hard at the last it is To keep the soul from splitting into cellular atoms. While we, seekers of earth's treasures, Getters and hoarders of gold, Are self-contained, compact, harmonized, Even to the end. Epitaph of Thomas Rhodes, banker, in The Spoon River Anthology (Edgar Lee Masters, 1915) James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) "I am aware that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth,and as uncompromising as justice. On this subject, I do not wish to think,or speak,or write with moderation. No! No! Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has f
[PEN-L:1200] Re: Re: Ford and GM's Nazi ties
On 3 Dec 98 at 9:59, Jim Devine wrote: does anyone know about the truth of the story (that circulated years ago and I think first appeared in RAMPARTS magazine) that the Allied air forces deliberately refrained from bombing GM- and Ford-owned factories in greater Germany during World War II? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html Jim, Sometime ago when I first posted portions of the speech of Parenti, I got two messages from a regular reader of pen-l who personally likes Parenti and did not want to debunk him but who had been with the Eight Air Force in combat over Europe during World War II. He noted that they would bomb at 25,000 ft, were continually under fire from flak and fighters, were often shit scared and wanted to bomb and get out. He noted that precision bombing from that altitude and under those conditions would be impossible--to save selected plants. He noted further, that the British bombed at night and would have had to declare whole cities off-limits to save a few plants. He also noted that literally hundreds of aircrews would have had to have been briefed--letting them all in on the dirty little secret and risking a security leak from someone incensed about treason and aid and comfort to the enemy. Later he wrote that he had found some memorabilia and noted that his old bomb group on May 14, 1943 (before he got there) "... the second mission of 17 aircraft...bombed General Motors and ford Plants and nearby locks at Antwerp Belgium." He said that he had heard the idea of off-limits targets (US companies) many times before and found it amusing. I most certainly defer to this gentleman's experience--and courage I might add--and find his arguments compelling. But as I wrote back to him I also found it very odd that targets would be explicitly named in bombing reviews as "General Motors" and "Ford" plants--retaining the American names of firms supposedly totally expropriated by the Nazis. I do believe that Charles Higham--with the assistance of I.F. Stone--gave compelling and overwhelming evidence of extensive and ongoing contacts/collaboration between American businessmen and even government officials and German, Japanese and Italian businessmen and officials; and I believe that Higham gave compelling evidence that the Ford, GM, Texaco, Standard Oil and other entities in occupied territories were anything but expropriated by the nazis. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. Perhaps some plants were bombed due to their proximity to other strategic targets and perhaps others--relatively isolated--were not bombed. In his "Sovereign State of ITT", Anthony Samson records that as late as 1967, ITT received $27 million for the bombing of the Focke Wulf (fighter)--made by ITT indirectly--plants in Hamburg. That alone is a very significant finding (An "American" company gets reparations for the bombing of a plant manufacturing fighter aircraft shooting down American aircraft--priceless). I know that Parenti is an excellent and careful researcher. On the other hand, we have all fallen victim to myths that were honestly and innocently transmitted to and by us for the best of reasons. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) "I am aware that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth,and as uncompromising as justice. On this subject, I do not wish to think,or speak,or write with moderation. No! No! Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in ernest-- I will not equivocate--I will not excuse. I will not retreat a single inch--and I will be heard. (William Lloyd Garrison, 1831, Abolitionist Leader) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1199] A Thought
To the Campus Community: In the spirit of our Campus-wide Abilities and in the spirit of the real "business" of Clark College--education--and two of the essential foundations of real education--Free Speech and Acadmemic Freedom: "The zoo, the walls, the wire mesh above. Slam up against the concrete wall. Beat in the skull. The wall is, at last, the mind. The wall is, at last, the prejudices foisted upon us by those who wish to own our minds. Hate our brothers. Love God. Hate the color of skin and love green money. Pay the priest. Pay our taxes, and the television cable company. Shun knowledge, shun the dearness of questioning and the joy of shivering naked in the early morning sun, alone. Shun freedom. We are slaves to ourselves. Preserve a closed mind and what you have is the walking dead. All slaves are a form of the walking dead. Is it not time to throw off the shroud? Is it not time to speak out, to cry out, to fly, to test wings, to fall, and to laugh with joy over the divine bruises? Gerry Spence "Give Me Liberty: Freeing Ourselves in the Twenty-First Century" p. 113 Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) "I am aware that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth,and as uncompromising as justice. On this subject, I do not wish to think,or speak,or write with moderation. No! No! Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in ernest-- I will not equivocate--I will not excuse. I will not retreat a single inch--and I will be heard. (William Lloyd Garrison, 1831, Abolitionist Leader) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1165] NDP BC's continuing "child protection" genocide (fwd)
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:24:31 -0800 (PST) From: John Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: James Michael Craven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: NDP BC's continuing "child protection" genocide (fwd) Hi Jim, fyi . Hope all goes well. cheers js -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:42:29 -0800 From: "S.I.S.I.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: NDP BC's continuing "child protection" genocide AT RISK FOR INJUSTICE BC Report, November 16, by Derek DeCloet [S.I.S.I.S. note: The residential schools are now finally closed, but Canada is still stealing indigenous children from their families and alienating them from their nations and cultures. Like the residential schools, the Ministry of Social Services purports to apprehend aboriginal children for their own good, hiding the often devastating effects this has on the children and on their communities. "Forcibly transferring children of [a national, ethnical, racial or religious] group to another group" is specifically prohibited by the UN Genocide Convention. Please scroll down to the excerpt from the report "Liberating our Children - Liberating our Nations," appended to the end of this article. The following mainstream news article may contain biased or distorted information and may be missing pertinent facts and/or context. It is provided for reference only.] Bill Christiansen wanted to do some good. Hired by the Ministry of Social Services in 1996 as the native youth and family advocate for the Terrace office, his job was to help Indian families understand the role of social workers. But he quickly became disillusioned with a system that often hurts children more than it helps. He quit in the summer of 1997, shortly after the new Ministry for Children and Families (MCF) was created, and now says he can no longer keep quiet about his experiences. "A lot of people just won't say anything, either for fear of losing their funding," says Mr. Christiansen, a soft-spoken man who grew up on the Kitsumkalum reserve. "I believe they have to hear it." Mr. Christiansen alleges that Indian children were apprehended by social workers and put in foster homes not because they were abused, but because their parents had past problems with alcohol and drugs. In the case of one Indian mother - a woman whom Mr. Christiansen says had conquered a drinking problem - social workers arrived at the hospital in Terrace to await the birth of her baby girl so they could apprehend her. He also heard a ministry social worker remark in a meeting that "the only solution to help these aboriginal people is put them in adoption." This sentiment has been common in BC since 1995. That was the year of the release of the Gove inquiry into the death of Matthew Vaudreuil, a Fort St. John boy who was killed by his mother despite repeated interventions from social workers. The inquiry led to the creation of the MCF - and a mindset that family lawyers, psychologists and parents rights advocates say has made social workers so afraid of one another Vaudreuil case they now apprehend given the merest hint of abuse - even a telephone call from an estranged parent. Mr. Christiansen argues that this new child protection regime hurts Indian families the most, because they are far more likely to be known to social workers. August 1998 figures show that 38% of the children in "continuing custody" of the ministry - those in foster homes or staying with other relatives - were Indian. In the North West region, which includes Terrace, the figure was 78% (Indians are about 4% of the BC population.) Dr. John Goyeche, a Kelowna psychologist who believes the ministry takes too many children from their parents says "systemic racism" is partly to blame for the inordinate numbers of Indian children in foster homes. Stan Parenteau, deputy director of aboriginal services for the ministry, denies race is a factor, but says he cannot really explain why Indians make up such a large proportion of children in MCF care. Mr Parenteau does not think many children are being apprehended without cause, since social workers must always justify their decision in court. "The courts are, in part, ensuring that we're operating within the legislation when we remove a child," he says. Perhaps so, but Dr. Goyeche believes the legislation (the Child, Family and Community Service Act) and MCF policies make it far too easy to apprehend children. Ever since Gove social workers have been pressured to look into a person's past for any sign he or she might be an unfit parent. Drug and alcohol use, rampant on many Indian reserves, are among the warning signs. Such information is plugged into a "risk assessment" model that social workers use to determine likely child abusers. Risk asses
[PEN-L:1159] (Fwd) Capital and "Patriotism"
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "James Michael Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Clark College, Vancouver WA, USA To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:08:50 PST8PDT Subject: [PEN-L:1350] Capital and "Patriotism" Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following is exerpted from "Trading With The Enemy: An Expose of the Nazi-American Money Plot 1933-1949, by Charles Higham, Dell Books, N.Y. 1983 "What would have happened if millions of American an British people, struggling with coupons and lines at the gas stations, had learned that in 1942 Standard Oil of New Jersey managers shipped the enemy's fuel through neutral Switzerland and that the enemy was shipping Allied fuel? Suppose the public had discovered that the Chase Bank in Nazi-occupied Paris after Pearl Harbor was doing millions of dollars worth of business with the enemy with the full knowledge of the head office in Manhattan? Or that Ford trucks were being built for the German occupation troops in France with authorization from Dearborn, Michigan? Or that Colonel Sosthenes Behn, the head of the international American telephone conglomerate ITT, flew from New York to Madrid to Berne during the war to help improve Hitler's communications systems and improve the robot bombs that devastated London? Or that ITT built the Focke-Wulfs that dropped bombs on British and American troops? Or that crucial ball bearings were shipped to Nazi-associated customers in Latin America with the collusion of the vice-chairman of the U.S. War Production Board in partnership with Goering's cousin in Philadelphia when American forces were desperately short of them? Or that such arrangements were known about in Washington and either sanctioned or deliberately ignored? For the government did sanction such dubious transactions--both before and after Pearl Harbor. A presidential edict, issued six days after December 7, 1941, actually set up the legislation whereby licensing arrangements for trading with the enemy could be granted. Often during the years after Pearl Harbor the government permitted such trading. For example, ITT was allowed to continue its relations with the Axis and Japan until 1945, even though that conglomerate was regarded as an official instrument of United States intelligence. No attempt was made to prevent ford from retaining its interests for the Germans in Occupied France, nor were the Chase Bank or the Morgan Bank expressly forbidden to keep open their branches in Occupied Paris. It is indicated that the Reichsbank and Nazi Ministry of Economics made promises to certain U.S. corporate leaders that their properties would not be injured after the Fuhrer was victorious. Thus, the bosses of the multinations as we know them today had a six-spot on every side of the dice cube. Whichever side won the war, the powers that really ran nations would not be adversely affected." And it is important to consider the size of American investments in Nazi Germany at the time of Pearl Harbor. These amounted to an estimated total of $475 million. Standard Oil of New Jersey had $1230 million invested there; General Motors had $35 million; ITT had $30 million; and Ford had $17.5 million. Though it would have been more patriotic to have allowed Nazi Germany to confiscate these companies for the duration--to nationalize them or to absorb them into Hermann Goering's industrial empire--it was clearly more practical to insure them protection from seizure by allowing them to remain in special holding companies, the money accumulating until war's end. It is interesting that whereas there is no evidence of any serious attempt by Roosevelt to impeach the guilty in the United States, there is evidence that Hitler strove to punish certain German Fraternity associates on the grounds of treason to the Nazi state. Indeed, in the case of ITT, perhaps the most flagrant in its outright dealings with the enemy, Hitler and his postmaster general, the venerable Wilhelm Ohnesorge, strove to impound the German end of the business. But even they were powerless in such a situation: the Gestapo leader of counterintelligence, Walter Schellenberg, was a prominent director and shareholder of ITT by arrangement with New York--and even Hitler dared not cross the Gestapo." (pp 14-15) GENERAL LICENSE UNDER SECTION 3(a) OF THE TRADING WITH THE ENEMY ACT By virtue of an persuant to the authority vested in me by sections 3 and 5 of The Trading with the Enemy Act as amended, and by virtue of all other authority invested in me, I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, do prescribe the following: A general license is hereby granted, licensing any
[PEN-L:1158] "War is a Racket"
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "James Michael Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Clark College, Vancouver WA, USA To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:59:49 PST8PDT Subject: [PEN-L:1029] "War is a Racket" Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following is an excerpt from a speech by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC, TWICE awarded the Medal of Honor (1914, 1917) made in 1933: "War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses. I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag. I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its 'finger men' to point out enemies, its 'muscle men' to destroy enemies, its 'brain men' to plan war preparations and a 'Big Boss' Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism. It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of raceteering is long. I helped purify Nicaragus for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican REpublic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents." Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "...but this letter being unofficial and private, I may with safety give you a more extensive view of our policy respecting the Indians, that you may better comprehend the parts dealt to to you in detail through the official channel, and observing the system of which they make a part, conduct yourself in unison with it in cases where you are obliged to act without instruction...When they withdraw themselves to the culture of a small piece of land, they will perceive how useless to them are their extensive forests, and will be willing to pare them off from time to time in exchange for necessaries for their farms and families. To promote this disposition to exchange lands, which they have to spare and we want, for necessaries which we have to spare and they want,we shall push our trading houses, and be glad to see the good and influencial individuals among them run in debt, because we observe that when these debts get beyond what the individuals can pay, they become willing to lop them off by cession of lands...In this way our settlements will gradually circumscribe and approach the Indians, and they
[PEN-L:1157] (Fwd) Capital and "Patriotism"
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>From a speech my Michael Parenti at Berkely, September 23, 1995
entitled "Fascism: The False Revolution":
" I mean, how do you murder 6 million Jews, a quarter of a million Gypsies,
several million Ukrainians, Russians, Poles and others, and thousands of
homosexuals and get away with it? Unless, the only way you get away
with it is that the very people who are supposed to look into these
crimes were themselves complicit.
What happened to the U.S. businesses that collaborated with fascism?
Coporations like Dupont, Ford, General Motors, ITT. They owned
factories in these enemy countries that produced fuel, tanks and
planes that wreaked havoc on allied forces during World War Two. And
after the war, instead of being prosecuted for treason, instead of
being prosecuted, ITT collected twenty-seven million from the U.S.
Government [in 1967] for war damages inflicted on its German plants by allied
bombings. General Motors collected thirty-three million. Pilots were
given instructions not to hit certain factories. The devastation of
Cologne, there were several factories owned by ITT and Chrysler, that
after awhile, German people learned to go in there and use them for
air-raid shelters because they wouldn't get hit by the American
pilots because they were owned by the American corporate interests."
Jim Craven
James Craven
Dept. of Economics,Clark College
1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863
--
"The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and
property shall never be taken from them without their consent."
(Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789)
"...but this letter being unofficial and private, I may with safety give you a more
extensive view of our policy respecting the Indians, that you may better comprehend
the parts dealt to to you in detail through the official channel, and observing the
system of which they make a part, conduct yourself in unison with it in cases where
you are obliged to act without instruction...When they withdraw themselves to the
culture of a small piece of land, they will perceive how useless to them are their
extensive forests, and will be willing to pare them off from time to time in exchange
for necessaries for their farms and families. To promote this disposition to exchange
lands, which they have to spare and we want, for necessaries which we have to spare
and they want,we shall push our trading houses, and be glad to see the good and
influencial individuals among them run in debt, because we observe that when these
debts get beyond what the individuals can pay, they become willing to lop them off
by cession of lands...In this way our settlements will gradually circumscribe and
approach the Indians, and they will in time either incorporate with us as citizens
of the United States, or remove beyond the Mississippi.The former is certainly the
termination of their history most happy for themselves; but, in the whole course
of this, it is essential to cultivate their love. As to their fear, we presume that
our strength and their weakness is now so visible that they must see we have only to
shut our hand to crush them..."
(Classified Letter of President Thomas Jefferson ("libertarian"--for propertied white
people) to William Henry Harrison, Feb. 27, 1803)
*My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
James Craven
Dept. of Economics,Clark College
1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863
--
"The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and
property shall never be taken from them without their consent."
(Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789)
Those who take the meat from the table,
teach contentment.
Those for whom the taxes are destined,
demand sacrifice.
Those who eat their fill, speak to the hungry,
of wonderful times to come.
Those who lead the country into the abyss,
call ruling too difficult,
for ordinary folk.
(Bertolt Brecht)
*My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1156] Re: Re: US auto Nazis
On 1 Dec 98 at 21:58, Tom Kruse wrote: > John Barkley Rosser Jr. notes: > > > The top story in yesterday's Washington Post was about > >a likely class action suit that will be brought against > >Ford Motor Co. and also probably against General Motors by > >former slave laborers who worked under the Nazis in > >factories owned by Ford and GM during World War II. The > >suits allege much higher levels of complicity and > >cooperation between those companies in terms of helping > >with retooling for the German war effort, while resisting > >doing so in the US, and receipt of profits from the wartime > >activities of those subsidiaries. It might be noted that > >both Henry Ford and a high GM official, James Mooney, > >received major medals from the Nazis. Hitler apparently > >used to keep a life-size photo of Ford in his office. > >Barkley Rosser > > What an intersting season of historical amends-making this is becoming. > First Pinochet, now this. I love it when people don't "leave well enough > alone"! The precedents set for the future are great: no hiding place for > (some) facists; no impunity for (some) capitalists. Optimistic? Golly > yes, but do let's enjoy the feeling of possibility, if only for a moment. > > Tom > > Tom Kruse > Casilla 5812 / Cochabamba, Bolivia > Tel/Fax: (591-4) 248242 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just came in to clear my computer--home very sick today-- and saw this. BTW, thanks Barkley and all for your support and I'll be writing individual letters. The College has backed down a bit (I was about an hour away from losing my job last week because I will never give up the messages sent to me) but the College now only wants what I sent to public newsgroups or to Annett. I told them just to ask Annett for what he has and evaluate that for possible libel or slander (I asked over and over to sue me personally as truth is an absolute and complete defense in libel and slander). So anyway a partial victory. On the matter above, typical of the newsmedia or as they used to say about "Pravda" (truth) and Isvestya (news) in the old USSR: What is "news" is not true and what is true is not "news". Charles Higham wrote a very well documented book called "Trading With The Enenmy: An Expose of the Nazi-American Money Plot 1933-1949", Dell Books, N.Y. 1983; some of his research was aided by IF Stone. It is well worth reading. This crap about Ford and GM having been totally expropriated by the Nazis--defense of Ford and GM--is pure fiction. On December 13, 1941, 6 days after Pearl Harbor, FDR issued the following exemption of Trading With The Enemy Act (exact copy) GENERAL LICENSE UNDER SECTION 3(a) OF THE TRADING WITH THE ENEMY ACT By virtue of and pursuant to the authority vested in me by sections 3 and 5 of The Trading with the Enemy Act as amended, and by virtue of all other authority vested in me, I Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, do prescribe the following: A general license is hereby granted, licensing any transaction or act proscribed by section 3 (a) of The Trading with the Enemy Act, as amended, provided, however, that such transaction or act is authorized by the Secretary of the Treasury by means of regulations, rulings, instructions, licenses, or otherwise, pursuant to the Executive Order No. 8389, as amended. FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT THE WHITE HOUSE December 13, 1941 H. MORGENTHAU, JR: Secretary of the Treasury FRANCIS BIDDLE Attorney General of the United States This was noted in a previous piece "The Enemy of my Enemy" which pissed off some people on Warriornet and elsewhere. Where have the networks been? Also Michael Parenti has also written on this topic. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) Those who take the meat from the table, teach contentment. Those for whom the taxes are destined, demand sacrifice. Those who eat their fill, speak to the hungry, of wonderful times to come. Those who lead the country into the abyss, call ruling too difficult, for ordinary folk. (Bertolt Brecht) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1194] Emergency civil liberties appeal for Jim C
Comment on Barkley's Comments (Jim Craven) 1) Without painting a broad brush for all administrators, I do believe that Plato's axiom--"Those who seek power are invariably the least fit to wield it"--does indeed apply to many if not most of the administrators with whom I have had dealings or have met. It takes a certain sense of self-importance, narcissism, megalomania to actively seek and exercise power over large numbers of people. Ask the average person: would you like to have anyone to have arbitrary and capricious power over you? the answer would be obvious--even when administrators are asked. Well, then why would someone want over others--arbitrary and capricious powers--that which they wouldn't want exercised over themselves? 2) Secondly, although it is absolutely true that tenure can be and often is used to protect incompetent or abusive or sycophantic faculty, it was designed to be used--and has been used--to protect the opposite--free and controversial thought, competence, just cause activism etc. Tenure is not as iron-clad as some outside academia think. Even tenured, faculty may be fired for "cause" with the administrators generally defining "cause" and controlling the mechanisms of dismissal review and/or possessing enough financial clout to bankrupt anyone who dares to take them on in Court. Generally, tenured faculty may be fired for: a) moral turpitude; b) gross, documentable, repeated incompetence with refusal to remediate; c) program cuts (real or engineered) and, d) insubordination. In my case, the Administration is trying to set up an unconscionable directive and when and if I disobey it, I will be charged with "insubordination" and then State resources and my own special AG (Jim Tuttle, who by the way was also involved in a lawsuit involving my wife who sued against the College--beofre I was tenured--for racial, age and geneder discrimination with the result of a $165,000 settlement against the College) will atempt to bankrupt me as I take them on in Court (This has been the modus operandi in several recent firings--all minorities). 3) There was a celebrated case at this College involving a faculty member who used State resources to collect child pornography. Not only was he collecting commercial child porn, he was posing as an adolsecent to lure teenage girls to send polaroids via internet according to press reports and the Washington State Patrol Dectectives. It took a Washington State Auditor's subpoena to enter his computer and since the subpoena was mishandled he beat the rap but a separate ethics complaint found him guilty. He was a favored insider, the College Admin under the previous President actively blocked the investigation and prosecution of him. He was also very close with the previous Dean who has been canned (and sent to another Washington State College to do more damage) and that Dean, was a very close friend and associate of Interim Vice-President Ramsey who know holds his position for one-year. By the way, I was the Whistleblower on the case involving Child pornography but I did it in the open, due process was followed and the stuff he was caught with (over 1700 files) would be enough to be gone for anyone but a favored insider and toady/sycophant. He is still on faculty. 4) further, the new President Tana Hasart has previously claimed to support my activism, knowing full well it is with College resources (Under the Diminimus rule of the Washington State Government we are allowed to use State Resources for outside causes--especially those that gives us skills and knowledge to bring into the classroom) and I openly sign my name and invite a lawsuit against me for libel or slander if someone feels that is what I have done; the College has no liability from my actions and they know it. Further I have in e-mails praise from President Hasart for my activism and exposing corruption and violations of due process etc at the College saying that changes were being made that ought to "affirm" my positions and activism. 5) Adminstrators hate tenure and they are trying to destroy it anywhere and everywhere. Without it radical scholars like Michael P and Barkley and so many others would surely be driven out of academia and worse. Further, it is the tenured faculty--the one's who have the guts to actually use their tenure rights--that find hidden pots of money that administrator's typically love, that fight due process issues fro non-tenured faculty, that engage in activism that surely would bring down the powers of the State for dismissal etc. Just as not all administrators--there has to be an administration separate from faculty for many duties--should not be painted with the broad brush of scum, megalomaniacs etc just because a large percentage of them are probably that, so all tenured academics should not be painted with the broad brush to be included with the academics who use tenure to protect incompet
[PEN-L:1192] Re: residential school activists on "hit list" (fwd)
Dear Friends on Pen-l I am writing to thank all of you who wrote in to the President of my College in support of this struggle in which I am involved. From the material below, it should be clear that this is about more that academic freedom, freedom from harassment in the workplace, freedom of candid academic exhanges and thought, freedom of activism in just causes, freedom from workplace surveillance as an instrument for other agenda, differential treatment of favored insiders versus troublesome outsiders by Administrators, due process etc. Based solely on a complaint by Kevin Annett living in Canada and a threat of a lawsuit, Annett alleges defammation, maligning reputation etc. I have repeatedly asked him to sue me as truth is an absolute defense in libel and slander. He did not provide even one sample e-mail that he feels shows maligning and defammation but instead, called for the College to go through all my e-mails (e-mails never sent to him and that he has never seen) instead of filing a proper legal action and subsequent motions for discovery. Ordinarily the Administration would have asked him to provide hos own copies of any e-mail he feels to be defammatory and/or tell him about academic freedom. By the way, this is a guy who recently publicly slandered actual victims of Residential School Abuse as tied-in with pedophile rings--the same victims who had expelled him from the Circle of Justice. Now here is why this request is particularly damaging. As can be illustrated from below, this Annett openly and callously leaked out sensitive information to which he was privy and compromised activists and covert operations by Indians who can go where he could never go. Further, his name was never even mentioned as a candidate for a hit--only mine--but to do self-promotion and to feed his narcissism and credentials in this market niche--Residential School Abuse--he put out the following. Now the College wants all e-mails many of which were private and never even addressed to him and that he has never even seen and I fear the worst in terms of even more damage to particular individuals and activism. This is not about some personality dispute; this is fundamental and real lives are on the line here. No hyperbole, just a fact. The Administration, presently involved in two lawsuits against the College , the Trustees and President, claims to be only interested in determining legal liability. They claim that my own activism on other issues--due process, insider hiring, academic standards, differential treatment of employees, unconscionable firings, hidden funds and slush funds while claiming pay increases may be problematic etc--have nothing to do with acquiesing to this unconscionable request of Annett. Let me quote from a sworn deposition from a former Dean in a personnel matter involving me (This Dean was canned and my battles with him had something to do with it): "I did, in fact, ask our state attorney who handles Craven affairs--that's different from our state attorney general who handles everything else from the college--a man named Jim Tuttle who is stationed up in Seattle. I did ask him what kind of protection I could get from the state. His reaction was legally there was nothing the state attorney could do, that I would have to handle thoe affairs on my own." (Deposition of Dean Richard Fulton p. 10) This is the College's way of "handling affairs on their own." and they don't care who is put at risk or what cases are compromised/ I will write all of you individually to thank you when my e-mail is no longer being screened. Jim Craven fyi Greetings Kevin, We will not be posting this, as we do not have permission from Jim Craven to do so. has informed me that he has already written you a letter expressing our concerns, so I will not repeat that here. I would like to add, however, that you do *not* have permission to broadcast my full name in any capacity unless you have contacted me and obtained that permission. If my name is to be attached to any posting, I expect to be consulted to make sure it is OK to do so. Although all S.I.S.I.S. members have, at various times, signed our names to S.I.S.I.S. correspondence, we also have sought some degree of anonymity in terms of not identifying any one person with S.I.S.I.S. In future, please consider this when releasing letters written to S.I.S.I.S. Thank you for your attention to this. Regards, Sept. 1, 1998 Dear I want to share with you information I've just received that needs to be circulated through your network, if you're willing. I received a call today from Jim Craven, a Blackfoot friend who served as a Panel Judge at our International Tribunal into the residential schools last June. Jim says that he spoke yesterday to a Vancouver elder from a local band, who is closely connected to the top native brass in B.C. This source claims that both Jim and I are on a "hit list
[PEN-L:983] Residential school settlement: All in the family (fwd)
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:17:03 -0800 (PST) From: John Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: James Michael Craven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Residential school settlement: All in the family (fwd) fyi - typical. ciao js -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:50:46 -0800 From: "S.I.S.I.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Residential school settlement: All in the family RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL SETTLEMENT APPLAUDED The Vancouver Sun, Nov. 4, 1998, by Douglas Todd [S.I.S.I.S. note: The cast of characters involved in this out of court settlement for residential school sexual abuse victims suggests that this BC settlement may be a fixed game & "all in the family". The same north Shuswap Bands negotiating this were responsible for "putting behind them" the much criticized "healing circle" of Bishop Hubert O'Connor. They were also working closely with the RCMP and Canadian authorities during the Gustafsen Lake affair. Bryan Williams was elevated to the position of BC Supreme Court Chief Justice shortly after representing the BC Attorney General (BCAG) against the jurisdictional challenge of the Gustafsen Lake Defenders in the Supreme Court of Canada on September 12, 1995. Lawyer for the complainants Don Sorochan is also closely connected to the BCAG, who has employed him as "special prosecutor" for sensitive political matters. More information on the residential schools atrocities: http://kafka.uvic.ca/~vipirg/SISIS/resschool/main.html ] All sides are cheering a precedent-setting agreement between the Catholic church, the federal government and 10 native Indian men who were sexually assaulted as students at a B.C. residential school. The out-of-court settlement, which each party is calling an "historical breakthrough," marks the first time in Canada the federal government, a major religious denomination and native Indians have found a way to resolve one of the hundreds of civil lawsuits that have been launched over the country's native residential-school system. "This is all good," said Father Vincent LaPlante, spokesman for the Oblate brothers who ran St. Joseph's residential school near Williams Lake, where dozens of young native boys were abused by church officials in the 1950s and '60s. The settlement -- which was reached just before a court case was to start in Vancouver this week -- includes an undisclosed financial payout to the native men of Alkali Lake and Canim Lake, and apologies from the Catholic church, Oblate Brothers and federal government. As well, all the parties have agreed to take part in a healing circle, which will be held at the same time as the official blessing of Alkali Lake's newly renovated Catholic church. "We're all happy about it,' Laplante said. "We know the past can't be changed, but we can do something for the future. The native people want to rebuild and restore the good relationship with the Catholic church that was there for about 125 years." Native Indians across Canada havelawsuits against the federal government and the various Christian denominations that ran Canada's 130 native residential schools until the last ones were disbanded in the 1970s. The 10 complainants in the lawsuit settled this week were sexually abused at St. Joseph's by either Oblate brother Len Doughty or Harold McIntee. The 10 men, plus the estate of another victim who committed suicide, claimed damages for sexual assault and what they charged was the residential school's general attack on native culture. Former Prince George Bishop Hubert O'Connor was principal of St. Joseph's at the time Doughty and McIntee worked there. O'Connor -- who recently had several sex convictions related to St. Joseph's overturned on appeal -- was accused in the native men's lawsuit of ignoring complaints they were being assaulted while sleeping, boarding, working and taking classes at St. Joseph's. The native men's lawyer, Don Sorochan, said the negotiations that led to the Catholic church and federal government accepting "vicarious liability" for the sexual assaults came about largely because of the extra efforts of B.C. Supreme Court Chief Justice Bryan Williams. "He negotiated it in two days. He's a leader in trying to offer an alternative way to resolve these disputes," Sorochan said, noting that Williams was the lawyer who represented the B.C. government in treaty negotiations with the Nisga'a. Shawn Tupper, who is the federal government's senior policy adviser on native issues, said he would not be surprised if the out-of-court settlement in the St. Joseph's case helped lead to the early resolution of numerous other potentially lengthy residential school lawsui
[PEN-L:967] Re: Re: unemployed Ph.D.
On 9 Nov 98 at 20:20, michael perelman wrote: > I am sorry that Paul thought that I was criticizing his post. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > 1. I don't think/believe that university teaching is the only > > unalienated application of academic training. > > Indeed, I spent three years working as an intellectual worker > > for the unions, and another year working for the government in > > which I was less alienated than I have in my 30 some odd years > > teaching at the academy. > > I absolutely agree. > > > 2. There is no evidence in my experience that the existing > > professoriate attempt to restrict the entry of new, intelligent > > recruits. > > I was not intending anything like what you seem to have read into my > remarks. I only meant that new positions depend on retirements now. > > > What bothers me is this alegation that existing faculty is either > > protecting its position somehow or its elite status by descriminating > > against new, particularly brilliant, hires. > > I meant nothing of the kind. I am sorry if I gave the wrong impression. > > -- > Michael Perelman > Economics Department > California State University > Chico, CA 95929 > > Tel. 530-898-5321 > E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Response: I hate to intrude on this and ordinarily I would just let it go, but the operative terms are: a) not in my experience; b) intelligence and brilliance; c) competence; d) turf protection. At Manitoba there are indeed some very open faculty--and Paul Phillips is one of them. But please, let's not extrapolate throughout all of academia. What is this, "radical" means only when the critique is not about academia. What would happen to a New School Grad, extremely well published, dedicated to teaching more than publish-or-perish, published in heterodox journals, very well-versed in neoclassicism higher-level calculus but just doesn't want to bother with Walras and general equilibrium theory (thinks it is all a pile of esoteric shit) at Stanford, Harvard, MIT, Chicago or whatever? It is how "brilliant" and competent are defined in petit-bourgeois academia (read brilliant and competent means like me, educated where I was, published in the same journals I was published in, mentored by my mentors, interested in my little niche (but not too much I have the monopoly). Shit, this sounds like some kind of love fest. There are many academics who thank God are publishing or perishing (spin-offs of spin-offs) because they are pampered, selfish, underworked, over-paid prima donnas who are totally narcissistic and despotic--along with boring and uninspiring--in the classroom, arrogant and abusive to grad and undergrad students and so full of themselves they reek of it; the good news is they are mostly out at bullshit conferences and publishing footnotes to footnotes and esoteric irrelevencies that they are not much in the classroom where the real action is. Once in awhile you get a Romer type who does radical chic by marrying the acceptable neoclassical stuff with some hybrid esoteric ersatz Marx which allows him to move in mutiple circles and milieu (radical acceptability or acceptable "radicalism). The radicals are consigned to the "lesser establishments" (not lesser in my eyes but lesser in the eyes of the "big boys" of the ivy leagues) to form their own radical enclaves; but many of them are playing publish or perish, let's wax esoteric, class struggle in differential calculus etc to get their own type of acceptability in some niche of the "mainstream". Let's be honest; the administrations mostly leave us alone because we may write some radical stuff, huff and puff about imperialism or racism or sexism, but try really doing something and one's radical ass will be drummed out of academia--or marginalized/demonized-- faster than Paul Baran or Paul Sweezy were. What ever happened to Fusfeld's Principles of Political Economy as an Intro Text? How many of the tenured academic radicals used that text or are teaching Intro courses or courses to students with learning disabilities or teaching in prisons? I am in academia, I am tenured, I do a few things but in academia there are as many frauds and forms of outright repression and oppression (more with a velevet glove) as in the business world--it is just a slicker act sometimes. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) Those who take the meat from the table, teach contentment. Those for whom the taxes are destined, demand sacrifice. Those who eat their fill, speak to the hungry, of wo
[PEN-L:962] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: unemployed Ph.D.'s
Later the same year, Andrei Zhdanov, Stalinism's principal
ideologue proclaimed the symmetrical doctrine which divided the world into
imperialist and anti-imperialist camps. The Cold War had begun.
Excuse me, but this USIA/Radio Free Europe-level rendition of the origins of the "Cold
War"
frankly leaves me cold. The division of the world into imperialist
and anti-imperialist camps occurred long before Zhdanov--by the
imperialists themselves. Then there is the matter of for
whom--really--was the Atom Bomb dropped on Japan. Then there is the
matter, going back to 1917-18 of continual seige and attempts by the
imperialist powers to sabotage the Soviet Union and Bolshevism. Then
there is the matter of even during World War II, the imperialist
powers rounding up aiding/abetting the escape of nazi war criminals
and turning them into intelligence assets (The Gehlen Org) against
the USSR while the War was still going on and while the USSR was a
formal ally. Then there is the matter of all the anti-communist scum
winding up in high-level positions in the post-war allied
governments. Then there is the matter of ongoing and systematic
social system engineering campaigns against Eastern Europe and later
China. There is the matter of the horrible costs incurred by the USSR
during World War II and the often meagre support and relief given to
Soviet forces (the British were often occupied where the oil reserves
were) relative to the contributions and sacrifices they made. Then
there is the matter of the post-war rehabilitation of Europe--with
former and present fascists often running the show--versus any
post-war aid and reconstruction for the USSR.
We could go on and on with this. And this might sound like some kind
of apology for Stalin, but I also do not believe in the "Cult of
Personality" and that the sins--or blessings--of a whole system and
epoch can be laid at the feet of one person or even a few. This is
the bourgeois view--mystification--of history that fits in nicely
with a system focused on ultra-individualism.
On the unemployed Ph.Ds, some feel that times are really bad when
"even" Ph.Ds are unemployed (The title of an Article in a local
paper) with the implication that merely having a PhD should be
an automatic ticket to permanent and full-time employment. For those
who have such feelings, try reading some of the dissertation
abstracts from the Michigan archives sometime. Some of it is such rot
and drivel. The old joke goes that stealing the work of one person
without attribution is plagiarism; stealing the work of many is
"research" and stealing the "research" of many is a dissertation or a
thesis. Then there is the perfunctory bootlicking, bowing to the
masters, being on the right committees, TAing for the right mentors,
publishing in the "right" and permissible journals, ghostwriting for
the right master (footnote I wish to thank my TA Slave Frank whose
help was significant--read wrote the whole paper and the scholar
despot took the credit and notch on the ol CV), hanging out and
toadying at the ol faculty club, going to the right conferences to
hang out and get noticed by the "masters", putting on some bullshit
seminar at one of the big conferences , drooling over one of the
grand old men about their latest article or book (The Color Purple
and Its Significance in World History Volumes I,II,III or
Deconstructing the Deconstruction of Deconstructionism-A General
Equilibrium Approach), running around like a frightened and beaten dog ("Did he
say anything about my paper? Did he know I wasn't really disagreeing with his thesis
in his book..., it may have sounded like it but honestly I really admire his
work, can you tell him I agree with him 100%?..."), sitting at the
knee of some pompous narcissistic asshole at some conference who
deigns to give the poor grad student a few precious moments and pearls
of the master's wisdom if he's horny or drunk enough or just in need
of some stroking. etc.
I remember at the History of Economics Conference in Vancouver B.C.
listening to some of these pathetic pompous creatures arguing about
footnotes in Walras or what Marshall really meant and then as they
waited with bated breath for the main speaker to give the opening
speech (Axel Leijonhufvud) and then listening to the most boring,
inept, incompetently presented (overheads no one could read),
droning, painful lecture full of cliches and platitudes and after
that all these poor souls kissing his ass and drooling all over him;
it was just too much. That is why I just don't go to these
conferences any more (I heard even the hookers go on vacation).
So although I don't wish unemployment on anyone per se (well actually
I do wish it for conscious whores and toadies of the system) in the
scheme of things, black lung among miners, genocide, torture, war,
racism, sexism, widening wealth/income inequality, the prospects of
fascism etc etc probably ke
[PEN-L:869] United Church makes res-school apology
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:37:42 -0800 To:(Recipient list suppressed) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (S.I.S.I.S.) Subject: United Church makes res-school apology 1. United Church makes res-school apology 2. Res-schools: Government, Church "knew" [S.I.S.I.S. note: The following mainstream news articles may contain biased or distorted information and may be missing pertinent facts and/or context. They are provided for reference only.] :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: UNITED CHURCH APOLOGIZES FOR ABUSE The Vancouver Sun, October 28, 1998, by Douglas Todd The moderator of the United Church of Canada officially apologized Tuesday for his denomination's complicity in the "pain and suffering" caused by church-run residential schools for native Indians. Saying B.C. has become the prime testing ground for mending the centuries-old rift between native Indians and other Canadians, Bill Phipps said his denomination is "truly and most humbly sorry" for those who were physically, sexually and emotionally abused as students at United Church-run residential schools. The United Church statement is arguably the furthest-reaching apology any group has issued on residential schools. Phipps said he doesn't know of any Canadian denomination or government that has issued such a "bald" and specific acknowledgment of blame for residential schools. The leader of Canada's largest Protestant denomination said it's important to issue the apology at the same time the church is contesting a recent precedent-setting B.C. Supreme Court decision that concluded the United Church and the federal government are equally liable for compensating victims of a Port Alberni residential school. The United Church of Canada faces almost 100 civil lawsuits relating to how it ran some of Canada's 130 residential schools. Many of those lawsuits have been aired in court this month by former students at the United Church's Port Alberni residential school, where former dormitory supervisor Arthur Plint has already been convicted of molesting dozens of native boys. "The B.C. lawsuits have made the residential school system the lightning rod, or even a metaphor, for our over-all relation to the First Nations people," Phipps said in a telephone interview. While many in the United Church are justifiably nervous that Tuesday's apology will increase the financial liability of the 800,000-member United Church to civil lawsuits, Phipps said, the vast majority of the denomination's 70-member executive decided this week it was worth the risk. However, Willie Blackwater, one of the roughly 30 native victims of Plint who is seeking damages, said the United Church should also accept legal responsibility if it's serious about apologizing. "They should advise the court that they are prepared to accept legal responsibility equally with Canada for the assaults we all suffered while at the school, and that they are now prepared to compensate us for those assaults," Blackwater said. But Phipps said the United Church wanted to issue the apology at this point because questions of legal liability are "very complex... and subject to argument and debate and legal niceties." Phipps said he was terribly saddened by the death last weekend of Darryl Watts, one of the students of the Port Alberni school in the 1950s and '60s who was suing the United Church and the government of Canada. If Watts' drowning death is determined to be a suicide, as many suspect, he would be the second suicide among sexual-abuse victims at the Port Alberni school. Natives across Canada have to date launched more than 1,400 civil lawsuits aimed at Canadian churches and the federal government, which funded the schools. The majority of the lawsuits are directed at the Oblate Brothers and the Catholic church, which ran most of Canada's residential schools. Former Prince George Bishop Hubert O'Connor and several other Catholic clergy have been either convicted or charged with sex crimes while operating B.C. residential schools in the 1960s. Catholic officials have expressed worry that the lawsuits could bankrupt churches. On Tuesday, a $1.7-billion class-action lawsuit was launched against the federal government and the Anglican Church of Canada by former students of an Ontario residential school and their family members. Russell Raikes, the London Ont., lawyer representing the natives, told reporters at a press conference Tuesday it is the largest financial claim in regard to alleged abuses at a residential school. About 360 natives are already on board, and Raikes said he expects more than 1,000 former students from Mohawk Institute Residential School in Brantford to take part in the suit. Shawn Tupper of the federal department of indian affairs said it is the first class-action lawsuit dealing with residential schools brought against the federal government. Phipps' apology on Tue
[PEN-L:737] Re: Re: Indian gambling casinos
On 29 Oct 98 at 8:03, James Devine wrote: > I can see the downside of Indian gambling casios _compared to_ say, a > rational investment policy for the reservations involving education, > improved technology, and the like (I'll let the Indians decide what they > need here). But this doesn't tell me whether or not I should vote for the > California initiative (I think it's Prop. 5) concerning this issue. What do > you think? > > I think it would do Cockburn good to live on a reservation for a week. > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & > http://clawww.lmu.edu/Departments/ECON/jdevine.html Hi Jim, You know I just don't know how to answer this; I don't know the specifics of the initiative in California. When we had the same kind of initiative in Washington (I'm assuming it is about pro or anti-Indian gaming) I voted against Indian gaming. This was a very painful decision for me personally because it was supported by the Tribes. Aiding and abetting the genocide are the "Indian" powers-that-be themselves. I am on the phone every single day for two hours a day with the Reservation at Browning. The whole place is imploding and some dissidents, of which I am one, are carefully documenting a whole host of horrible crimes (murders in the Tribal jail, severe beatings of the children of dissidents, massive payoffs to members of the Tribal Council, rampant nepotism and cronyism, murder threats and atempted murder, summary firings of anyone with a conscience etc etc). And this is not only going on at Browning, I have close friends among other Nations who give the same stories. When people are on the brink of extinction all sorts of forms of desperation, corruption and evil are possible including by Indians against Indians. Right now two Canadian oil companies are vying for rights to oil and minerals at Browning and in Alberta and the competition is intense (very oil-rich and mineral-rich lands) and payoffs, so-called "consultants" and all sorts of inducements are being applied to the powers-that-be heavy duty. There is no hope except not only true Sovereignty but also, there is no hope without elimination of all forms of corruption and those who practice them--I don't mean killing them, I mean removing them from any positions of influence--so that the outsiders, the non-Indians have nothing to work with--you can't buy what's not for sale. Although the gaming monies are desperately needed, they are not going where they are most needed anyway. Plus, the gaming revenues act like methadon does for someone on heroin withdrawal--they substitute another form of Nation-destroying dependency and addiction. This is why the Makah for example, refused to put in a casino when the U.S. Air Force left Neah Bay and they lost over half their revenue base; and this is why the Makah want to resume whaling--to provide not only for traditional diets but also to produce handicrafts made from whale parts. It is a sad commentary that something like gaming is seen as a necessary and viable source of revenues for Indian survival. The really rich people do not go to Indian casinos to gamble--you know where they go--so most of the non-Indians who go to the casinos are working class or middle class and gaming also acts like a hope-tax on the people on the margins--Indian and non-Indian--sort of like the State lotteries. Many of the Indian casinos that were started with large capital outlays in the hope of generating long-term streams of revenues are now languising as any initial profit opportunities signal new entrants wiping out any long-term profit potentials (market saturation) quickly. After the initial euphoria, the Indian casinos quickly find themselves with declining revenues coupled with substantial fixed costs and maintence cost commitments. There are exceptions of course, but these casinos are simply not the panacea that was hoped for. And just like the gamblers who go to the casinos, who lose and keep putting money in to "break even" before going home, "the odds are with the house"--only in this case, the non-Indian powers-that-be, the investors, the developers with their eyes on acquiring assets of failed enterprises are "the house" and the Indian casinos are the poor gambler looking to "break even" as "bad luck must turn around if I play this slot or at this table long enough". As for Mr. Cockburn, I have a perfect place for him to stay in mind. It is the HUD home of a Blackfoot Elder who has severe diabetes as he was forced on a non-Indian diet many years ago when he was in a Boarding School, there are holes in the roof and all of the walls so that when the winter winds come from the Rockies no amoung of internal heating will keep you worn, the house is full of asbestos which he can't get removed after repeated protests--the house was built with HUD money at a time when asbestos-based materials were used in Indian housing but had been banned in non-Indian housing,
[PEN-L:735] drug experiments on children
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:46:04 -0500 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Lynne Moss-Sharman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MC] drug experiments on children Reply-to: Lynne Moss-Sharman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alberta sterilization victims also used as guinea pigs Revelation comes as 40 victims win $4M settlement Marina Jimenez National Post 10/28/98 As many as 100 of the children at the centre of the Alberta sterilization scandal of the late 1960s and early 1970s were also used as guinea pigs in drug trials, the National Post has learned. The children lived at the Provincial Training School in Red Deer. Some were wards of the province and others were placed in the school by their parents, who did not consent to the sterilization or medical experimentation, which included the administration of powerful steroids and anti-psychotic drugs. Experts say one of the drugs used, the anabolic steroid norbolethone, is illegal today. The anti-psychotic tranquilizer haloperidol was also used. Its effect on children is said to be akin to hitting them over the head with a sledge hammer. Yesterday, 40 people who were sterilized against their will reached a settlement totalling $4-million with the government of Alberta. This brings to 540 the number of people who have settled with the province for being sterilized under the now-defunct Alberta Sterilization Act, which was in effect from 1928 to 1972. The operations were ordered by Alberta's eugenics board to prevent the mentally disabled from passing on their defects to offspring. Lawyers say they want more money from the government for victims who had to endure being tested with powerful drugs in addition to being sterilized. "Invading people's rights in the form of unauthorized research and taking advantage of people who couldn't look after themselves is the kind of thing that courts award punitive damages for," said Jon Faulds, an Edmonton lawyer representing 109 sterilization victims still negotiating settlements. Allan Garber, another Edmonton lawyer acting for the former training school residents, said they were treated like cattle. "The experimental drug treatment only compounds the evil that was done to our clients." Dr. Leonard J. LeVann, medical superintendent from 1949 to 1974 at the Red Deer school, published the results of his drug experiments in scholarly journals, which were recently turned over to lawyers for the victims. The articles show that Dr. LeVann, who is dead, gave 100 undersized children the anabolic steroid norbolethone over a 12-month period in 1971. The drug -- now illegal in Canada -- made the children gain weight. But it also produced some side effects: the genitals of two boys increased in size and one girl's voice deepened."The treatment of retarded growth in children with anabolic agents is controversial," he wrote in the September 1971 edition of the International Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, Therapy and Toxicology. Nonetheless, he called the drug study "entirely satisfactory." Norbolethone is illegal today because of its powerful side effects - damage to the liver and negative psychological symptoms. Anabolic steroids can also increase aggressive sexual behaviour in men and cause secondary sexual characteristics, for example, facial hair in girls. Dr. LeVann also gave 100 children haloperidol, an anti-psychotic tranquilizer, over a period of 40 days in the late 1960s to counter hyperactivity and excitability. Dr. Louis Pagliaro, a professor of educational psychology and the associate director of the substance abusology research unit at the University of Alberta, says haloperidol "would essentially knock (children) out. (It) generally decreases people's ability to learn and adversely affects memory and behaviour." Dr. LeVann's studies are "full of half-truths, assumptions and by today's standards, lack proper research methodology," says Dr. Pagliaro. About 2,800 people were sterilized in Alberta before the Sexual Sterilization Act was finally repealed. Documents now show that many of the people sterilized were not mentally disabled. In 1996, the Alberta Court of Queen's Bench ordered the provincial government to pay Leilani Muirer $740,000 for being wrongfully confined in the Red Deer school and sterilized. Her landmark victory opened a floodgate of litigation. In June, 1998, the government agreed to pay 500 more sterilization claimants up to $100,000. Many continue to live in the Red Deer facility, known today as the Michener Centre. The province has spent $54 million on settlements to date. The compensation deal for the sterilizaiton victims announced yesterday, much the same as those announced last June, gives claimants $75,000 now and another $25,000 after three years, if they are then living outside institutions. <= we're not machines you know => +++ we're not going to fall over in rows +++
[PEN-L:652] Re: Re: Student Feedback
On 22 Oct 98 at 20:50, valis wrote:
> Jim Craven proudly announces, in part: .
> > Today a student came up to me at said that he wanted to thank me for
> > the course I gave that it has changed his life. ..
> > Instead he just said that my course had got him laid by a gorgeous woman.
> > He said that he had been at a company retreat and this woman looked
> > familiar they started discussing economics, The Fed, imperialism,
> > increasing wealth/income inquality and other issues and before long they
> > were in the old sack. He said that it looks like they will hook up for an
> > extended relationship. [Etc.]
> > ... on public promos ("take Craven's class and get laid with stimulating
> > and interesting foreplay") ..
>
> I actually think Jim is being a tad too jock-ular about this subject,
> and deserves to be more straightforwardly proud of the reported outcome.
> Thinking about all the inane Zippy-drivel that assails my ears and yet
> deeper organs when I'm around today's students and 20-somethings,
> I can only consider the recounted relation as honest as broccoli pizza.
> Those two are set to meet the future on its own terms, which won't be
> kind to prisoners of petit bourgeois fantasy.
>
> valis
Thanks Valis,
I even recounted the story to the rest of my class (under the cover
of critical thinking ability mandated by the College). This whole
conversation just tripped me out. When I told a colleague about
it--to explore the possibilities of using it in promotional
materials--he just looked aghast and said "You 'allow' your students
to talk to you like that?" I just responded with a smile and said
"Let a Hundred Flowers Bloom, Let all Ideas Contend" and walked off.
I also noted to this student that I might get blamed not only if they
wound up fighting in the sack over Marxism versus Keynesianism, but
if possibly one of them started screaming "Oh Karl, Oh, John Maynard
or Oh Joan [Robinson] on the downstroke.
Anders, thanks for your kind note, I could make more bucks going
distance learning--often pushed by our administration who have
visions of more and bigger buildings (with their names on them)--but
no amount of money could pay me for theses types of genuine
interactions and feedback that I have received. And I give the same
to my teachers--some of whom are reading this net--from University of
Minnesota and University of Manitoba--who gave me so much.
Let me tell all of you a true story that can be verified by Jesse
Vorst who was one of my greatest teachers. I was in Winnipeg and
Jesse and I got together and Jesse wanted to go to this Jewish Deli
on Sherbrooke. It was a Sunday about 3:30 p.m. and I had never been
to this deli. This was in 1990 I believe--time runs on so much and
mixes together for me.
Jesse was a little burned out, talking about retiring, some students
not with the program of real learning etc and I was giving my
"meaning of teaching speech." As we were about to enter the deli, a
voice called out my name and a young man came up to me and said "Do
you remember me?" I was your student at Red River Sommunity College
in 1974. I'm Ed Roy". I said "I don't remember but its great to see
you. What are you doing now?" He said that he had his own Metis
handicrafts store but that was not his primary job. He said that he
was teaching economics at Red River Community College (I was involved
in hiding Chilean Refugees and the official reason given for my
departure was "budget cutbacks" but the head of my deaprtment, a
former U-boat commander and not a nazi, actually a nice guy, told me
in confidence that the RCMP had approached the College to get riod of
me as a dangerous subversive and told him I was under continual
surveillance for my work with Chilean refugees--setting up safe
houses--and other things).
I looked at Jesse, who looked shocked and said, "That's why you are a
teacher. Just look at this, what are the odds, in a city of 600,000
people, on a Sunday afternoon at a little off-the-wall Jewish Deli,
we have three generations--I am here with my teacher whose student
became a teacher, and now we have my student who became a teacher
where I used to teach.. See how far your influence has travelled and
is travelling? Jesse took Ed's card for his Metis handicrafts store.
Jess thought I had set up the thing. How could I know he was a little
burned out? How could I set up this meeting in a little off-the-wall
deli on a Sunday afternoon in a city of 600,000 people? It was
impossible even if I had known before seeing Jesse he would be a
little burned out. It was just like out of the Twilight Zone. And this is a
true story--ask Jesse Vorst.
Jim Craven
James Craven
Dept. of Economics,Clark College
1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863
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[PEN-L:621] Student Feedback
All of us know the feeling of having students returning years after
finishing our courses to let us know they are doing well, making more
money than we do and got something valuable--perhaps even
life-changing-- from our courses.
Today a student came up to me at said that he wanted to thank me for
the course I gave that it has changed his life. Well I was ready for
a list of skills that he was launched to acquire or new perspectives
and insights that he may have been exposed to or even perhaps a
change in major after exposure to political economy. Instead he just
said that my course had got him laid by a gorgeous woman. He said
that he had been at a company retreat and this woman looked familiar
but he couldn't place her. After a short time turned to what they had
been doing last summer, that they were both in school and then that
they were both in the same economics class. He said that after he
realized where he had seen her, they started discussing economics,
The Fed, imperialism, increasing wealth/income inquality and other
issues and before long they were in the old sack. He said that it
looks like they will hook up for an extended relationship.
I noted to him that I really appreciated the feedback and that
although economics and dry equations and graphs are not normally
considered a good subject for foreplay, well whatever works. I asked
him if he had also picked up on the part of the course dealing with
critical thinking and cause and effect--had he and she employed "safe
sex" and considered not bringing a little future JM Keynes or Joan
Robinson or Karl Marx into the world until or if such was desirable
from the point of view of the little future whatever. He said that
yes, he had indeed picked up on that part of the course as well.
I also noted that I would just love to use this little story--perhaps
even a personal endorsement from the two students involved--for
promotional materials for the course; he said he thought it would be
OK from his point of view but I should ask the other student--he had
indeed learned something in my class. I noted that alas, our administration has
certain Calvinist tendencies such that they might not appreciate it
on public promos ("take Craven's class and get laid with stimulating
and interesting foreplay") and if something happened that they broke
up, I might get blamed for that (e.g. fight erupting in the sack over
Keynesianism versus Marxism) so I'll just share the story with a few
friends.
Jim
James Craven
Dept. of Economics,Clark College
1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863
--
"The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and
property shall never be taken from them without their consent."
(Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789)
Those who take the most from the table,
teach contentment.
Those for whom the taxes are destined,
demand sacrifice.
Those who eat their fill, speak to the hungry,
of wonderful times to come.
Those who lead the country into the abyss,
call ruling difficult,
for ordinary folk.
(Bertolt Brecht)
*My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:618] Columbus arrested, deported from Eugene, Oregon
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Wed, 21 Oct10:19:59 -0700 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "S.I.S.I.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: PR: Columbus arrested, deported from Eugene, Oregon Please send comments or inquiries about this post to the original sender, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, *not* S.I.S.I.S. --Forwarded message Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 05:11:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Indigenous Support Coalition of Oregon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Indigenous Support Coalition of Oregon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Indigenous Support Coalition of Oregon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: PR: Columbus Arrested, Deported from Eugene, Oregon PO Box 11715FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE! Eugene, OR 97440October 20, 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact: Fred or Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED](541) 607-7064 PRESS RELEASE PRESS RELEASE PRESS RELEASE COLUMBUS ARRESTED AND DEPORTED Eugene, Oregon USA October 12, 1998 Admiral Christopher Columbus, infamous explorer and pillager of already occupied continents, was arrested Monday at the University of Oregon in Eugene. He was charged with aggravated murder, first degree rape, first degree sodomy, kidnapping, theft, fraud, assault with deadly intent, trespass, and criminal mischief when a bystander witnessed the Admiral accosting students, yelling "Happy Genocide Day!" demanding gold and threatening to cut off their hands or abduct and sell them into slavery. "Get outta here with your rotten attitude!" Heckled University students, who tried to chase him away, throwing rocks and beer bottles. Travelling with fencing "Conquistadores", Spanish soldiers in heavy armament, Columbus roared defiantly when confronted by students. "What!? It's MY holiday. Happy Genocide!" Fleeing citizens arrest and assaulting a bus dirver, he was pepper-sprayed by Eugene Police and subdued. King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain were arrested by Customs Agents at the Madrid Airport trying to transport stolen property- gold from Jews and Indians, and could not be reached for comment. Witnesses said Columbus cowered and waived his Miranda rights while taken into custody, muttering about "liberal plots" against him. A search warrant was served on his ship, which was towed by a mountain bike. When searched by EPD several dredlocked EarthFirst!ers were found in the hull and released. "Discovered" in Columbus' ship were ten dozen bars of Black Hills gold, several hundred million board feet of timber stolen from the Willamette National Forest, and a card from a Florence-area developer. Suspicious the Admiral was hording other contraband, the EPD strip searched him and held him at the Lane County Corrections Facility until Friday. Determining that the nefarious colonist suffers from paranoid schizophrenia with delusions of grandeur, Health Officers forcibly administered Halizon, Lane County Corrections officials said. The Conquistadores were arrested at the California-Mexican border by the Mexican Army. Extradited to Mexico City they face similar charges and if convicted, the death penalty by a Mexican Firing Squad, according to an Amnesty International press release. Christopher Columbus was deported by the Immigration and Naturalization Service Friday to Geneva and charged for violating international laws against slavery, torture, genocide and ecocide. He, Ferdinand and Isabella face a United Nations tribunal comprised of Pagans, Jews, Moors, African-Americans and Indigenous Americans. Call (541) 607-7064 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information. -0- :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: S.I.S.I.S. Settlers In Support of Indigenous Sovereignty P.O. Box 8673, Victoria, "B.C." "Canada" V8X 3S2 EMAIL : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WWW: http://kafka.uvic.ca/~vipirg/SISIS/SISmain.html SOVERNET-L is a news-only listserv concerned with indigenous sovereigntist struggles around the world. To subscribe, send "subscribe sovernet-l" in the body of an email message to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For more information on sovernet-l, contact S.I.S.I.S. :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) Those who take the most from the table, teach contentment. Those for
[PEN-L:332] Part 2 "The Enemy of my Enemy"
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From: "James Michael Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver WA, USA
To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raphael Seliger), [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:54:43 PST8PDT
Subject: Re: "The Enemy of my Enemy"
On 1 Oct 98 at 19:58, Raphael Seliger wrote:
Dear Prof. Craven,
If Zionists managed to get SS money to pay to train and save German Jewish youth
by getting them to Palestine, that was terrific!
Answer (Jim Craven): In return for that money they passed on
intelligence on the British to the SS. I am no supporter of
British imperialism in any way but, this is more enemy of my enemy is
my friend--just like the Grand Mufti (disgusting and evil), the Irish
who hated the British and collaborated with Nazis (ditto), Indians
who hated the British and collaborated with Japanese and Nazis,
(ditto), Israel's collaboration with South Africa (ditto) and we
could go on and on. Further, was it terrific that older Jews and
secular or left Jews (called "dry branches on the tree of Judaism")
were left to die? Was it "terrific" that Zionists--along with others
among Communists and Social Democrats-- obstructed the formation of
broad-based United Fronts Against Facism in times when the nazis
could have been clearly neutralized or at least more effectively
combatted (the real answer to dealing with fascists, not collaboration or fuck
everybody else)? This use of the word "terrific" leaves me cold.
This is not so strange, since Mussolini was not personally anti-Semitic and even
had had a Jewish mistress.
Response (Jim Craven): So did Joseph Mengele have a "Jewish mistress"
So did a whole host of nazis have "Jewish mistresses"; and?
The most extreme wing of the Revisionist movement, the
Lehi or Stern Gang underground (commanded by Yitzhak Shamir), turned
their guns on the British Army DURING World War II!
Response (Jim Craven): They also turned their guns on each other.
Yitzhak Shamir became head of the Stern Gang by murdering his rival
for the position on a beach.
But they were very fringe in doing so. The vast majority of Palestinian Jews and
world
Zionists (both Revisionists and Haganah supporters) were committed body
and soul to defeating Nazism.
Response (Jim Craven): The necessity of military defeat of naziism
was partly do to the evil thing not being strangled in the cradle;
this was prevented partly by factionalism, failure to form broad-based
secular united fronts, failure to take the nazi threats seriously and
early on etc; Zionists--along with others--played a role in this
through with some divisiveness and Jewish exclusivism ("Don't trust the
Goyim, deep down they are all anti-Semites, we have only
ourselves..".); that, the nazis acknowledged in their own documents as
critical to their efforts to divide-and-rule in occupied territories
and subdue/slaughter large numbers efficiently with smaller numbers
(e.g. Jewish Agency in Hungary etc).
This very high dedication in the fight against Nazism surely
outweighs a few efforts to bargain with the devil.
Response (Jim Craven) Exactly some of the same sentiments uttered by
the supporters of the Grand Mufti, the Irish collaborators with the
nazis etc. Better, those who struggled resolutely against the nazis
and made no "bargains with the devil whatsoever". The victims of
those "few" bargains with the devil might be as angry about their
pain and suffering being denied or diminished--in the name of
ideology--as the Jewish and non-Jewish victims of the nazi Holocaust
feel about the denial or diminishing of that Holocaust.
The links with apartheid South Africa ARE an embarrassment and many
Zionist supporters like myself were appalled. These were efforts to counter
the isolation which Israel faced during the '70s and '80s-- this is by way of
explanation, not justification. Similarly, Israel armed Guatemala and
other oppressive regimes in Latin America-- again, morally repugnant
associations, which many Israelis and Zionists opposed, and most others
excused as making good business sense.
Response (Jim Craven): And this shows exactly how rabid and twisted
Zionism can become. Justifying as "good business sense" the arming
and training of, for example, the Pinochet Regime forces of Chile,
whose chief advisor for Internal Security was none other than Walter
Rauff, designer of the mobile gas chambers, sentenced to death in
absentia, a high-level wanted war criminal? And then add all of those
death squads in Central and Latin America, linked in with the White
Hand and the World Anti-Communist League, run by hard-core
anti-Semites and out-and-out nazis? What kind of sick ideology could
ever justfiy, eve
[PEN-L:279] NCAA v. ILLINIWAK
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Boyle, Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: NCAA v. ILLINIWAK Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:15:08 -0500 The following Editorial is from the September 28, 1998 issue of The NCAA News. I am very pleased to forward it to you. Stephen The NCAA News September 28, 1998 Guest editorial -- Use of Indian mascots shows lack of respect BY CHARLES WHITCOMB NCAA Minority Opportunities and Interests Committee The charge of the NCAA Minority Opportunities and Interests Committee is to increase opportunities for ethnic minorities in intercollegiate athletics, and our primary focus is the education and welfare of the ethnic minority student-athlete. The committee also oversees the enhancement of opportunities for ethnic minorities in coaching, athletics administration, officiating and within the NCAA governance structure. The committee was established to enhance the NCAA commitment to foster racial equality and diversity in collegiate athletics. Thus, we strongly support the elimination of Indian names and mascots as symbols for our member institutions' sports teams. We also support the elimination of Native American rituals for entertainment purposes. Member institutions with Indian mascots that promote Indian caricatures and mimic ceremonial rites do not comply with the NCAA's commitment to ethnic student welfare. The use of these symbols and mascots is not respectful to Native American culture and is considered by that culture to be sacrilegious. No other race of people in America is used for mascots or nicknames for sports teams. The continuation of this practice sends a clear message that administrators, who have the responsibility of nurturing our students, have an insensitive disregard for the native culture of this country. For Native Americans, dance is the ceremonial embodiment of their indigenous values and represents their response to complex and often profound historical experiences. Their dance depicts a vital means of surviving culturally and a powerful means of asserting cultural identity, fulfilling family and community obligations while celebrating the group. American Indian dance is performed throughout America, in venues from the most traditional and private spaces to those that are very public. Thousands of dances are performed every day -- not to satisfy paying audiences or fans, but to assure the continuation of ancient customs, to honor deities and each other, to associate with friends and kin, and toaffirm an Indian identity. The half-time show that mimics this heritage denigrates the culture and demeans an entire people. This is not entertainment to those who are a part of the culture. Institutions that have continued to use stereotypes of Indians and justify their actions as a way to honor the Native American have failed to listen to the protests of the Native American population. We must all listen and learn to respect what all cultures respect, not just what some of them cherish. Institutions that have heard the request and eliminated the symbols -- institutions such as Stanford University, Dartmouth College, Marquette University, Syracuse University, Miami University (Ohio), the University of Oklahoma and Bradley University -- recognized the significance of this concern. I applaud these and other institutions that have stopped the egregious abuse of the culture of our indigenous brothers and sisters. The efforts of the Minority Opportunities and Interests Committee serve to encourage and support collegiate environments that welcome and respect differences. We believe that accountability for the success of our student-athletes and the successful welfare of the student body as a whole must include our efforts to educate our students to cultural sensitivity. If we offer our students anything less, we have hindered their growth. When we choose not to speak out against the perpetuation of disrespectful images of Native Americans, we fail to respect ourselves. Far too many of us have denied our insensitivity and have tried to justify our actions with a delusional belief that we do not dishonor Native Americans with these stereotypical mascots. Instead, these mascots are perpetuating negative stereotypes of an ethnic group and diminishing the right and opportunity of Native Americans to appropriately identify their culture. It is simply another form of institutional racism. To end this debauchery requires an extraordinary commitment to devote our efforts to identify the abuse and eliminate it. The NCAA Minority Opportunities and Interests Committee joins with organizations such as the National Congress of American Indians, the Inter-Tribal Council of United Indian Nations in Oklahoma, the National Rainbow Coalition, the NAACP, the Center for t
[PEN-L:134] Article on Makah Whale Hunt (corrected)
PILGRIM'S PROGRESS Paul Watson allies with a far-right Republican in his fight against aboriginal whaling by: M-J Milloy HOUR Magazine Montreal, Quebec 10.9.98/page 12 www.afterhour.com It took the early white missionaries and explorers weeks to navigate the rugged coastline of northern Washington State to reach the Makah nation, perched on the very northwestern tip of the U.S. It won't take that long for Paul Watson. Sometime next month the veteran anti-whaling activist will make that trip with a three-ship flotilla from his Sea Shepherd Society. Their goal is to disrupt, by almost any means necessary, the first traditional whale hunt by the Makah in over a half-century. Watson--who promises to "talk to the whales" with Orca-like sonar signals and may try to physically block the Makah vessels--is no stranger to uncompromising, and very media-savvy, direct action. Like a modern-day Hemingway hero, this not-so-old man wears his adventures on the sea like a badge of pride. Jailed in Holland. Rammed by the Norwegian navy. Co-founder of Greenpeace. World-wide defender of the international ban on commercial whaling. It's an image that sells--and his exploits and opinions are rabidly eaten up by many in the media and trendy liberals in Hollywood including Daniel Baldwin and "Dr. Quinn" Seymour. But when Watson's three-ship flotilla and the Makah whaling boats weigh anchor in early October, their conflict in the Juan de Fuca Strait will be about more than just the fate of some unlucky grey whales. Their clash will recall earlier battles over culture and sovereignty between the Makah and white outsiders like missionaries and government agents. And there will be more than just the spirits of the past along on Watson's armada: supporting Watson's actions are Jack Metcalf, the local Republican congressman, who has links to the American far right. With missionary zeal, Paul Watson has made an unholy alliance--and chosen a no-longer endangered species over an endangered nation. For the Makah that support the hunt--most of the tribal elders and about 85 percent in a 1995 referendum, according to the tribal administration--the hunt means a chance to revive Makah traditions lost through forced assimilation and the end of the commercial hunt in the 1920s. "Many of us believe that the problems besetting our young people stem from a lack of discipline and pride. We believe the restoration of whaling will help us to restore that", wrote the Makah Whaling Commission in a public release. No one at the Commission would speak to Hour. The Commission also notes that they are guaranteed the right to whale in their 1885 treaty with the U.S. government, and that the Makah would take at most 20 whales by the year 2000--out of a total population of over 20,000. Watson is dismissive of the Maka's claim of cultural revival. All they're reviving is "pulling the trigger on a 50-calibre gun", according to Watson. In addition, the Sea Shepherd Society has condemned the hunt as an "archaic and inhuman ritual" and claimed that traditional Makah hunting culture would include disinterring and mutilating the corpse of a Makah child. "Progress affects everyone living in this new era of the Global Village. No legitimate argument can be made that the Makah, or any other ethnic group, can move their culture forward through ritual killing", according to a public release from the society. Although these words echo early Christian missionaries--who condemned aboriginal culture as savage and obsolete during colonization--Watson isn't comfortable acting as the arbiter of Makah culture or progress. "If you want to revive culture and traditions, how do you do that by killing something", he said. Watson's arrogance is almost more than one local observer, a professor in Vancouver, Washington, and a Blackfoot, can take. "I'm watching daily, the destruction of Indian people--and culture is a central aspect of that. I see our culture ridiculed, mocked, defiled...and all this emotion about whales and nothing said about people far closer to extinction", said Jim Craven of Clark College. For Watson, the Makah motivations are neither social good nor cultural revival--but strictly economic gain. "This is a community that is very well off. I've not seen any poverty in their community. They've wiped out their fishery and now they want to take the whales", he said. The hunt will only enrich part of their community, and is being supported by whaling nations--like Japan and Norway--who want to use "cultural exemptions" to restart their own whaling fleets, according to Watson. But while Watson uses the alleged Makah connection to the Japanese whaling industry to oppose the hunt, he has entered into his own marriage of unholy convenience. Congressman Jack Metcalf represents the extreme northwestern chunk of Washington State that includes the Makah territory. Watson and Metcalf are longtime op
[PEN-L:118] Peltier - Please help (fwd)
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:23:57 -0800 To:(Recipient list suppressed) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (S.I.S.I.S.) Subject: Peltier - Please help (fwd) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:40:42 -0700 From: Arthur J Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Subject: Please help! PLEASE POST WIDELY NORTHWEST LEONARD PELTIER SUPPORT NETWORK P.O. Box 5464 Tacoma, WA 98415-0464 USA E-Mail; [EMAIL PROTECTED] LEONARD PELTIER STILL IS NOT RECEIVING THE MEDICAL TREATMENT HE NEEDS--URGENT APPEAL--PLEASE HELP! SEPTEMBER 7TH NWLPSN STATEMENT American Indian Movement prisoner Leonard Peltier is being made to suffer the full impact of the U.S. government's historical genocidal policies against the indigenous people of the land now called America. Even though the U.S. Government has stated many times that they don't know who committed the act that Leonard is in prison for, even though Leonard's defense has disproved the government's case against Leonard, Leonard remains in prison as an example of what the U.S. government will do to those that stand-up for the people against the interests of the transnational corporations and the policies of the U.S. government. Because Leonard's voice has been strong for over 22 years from inside the U.S. dungeons, the U.S. government is trying to break Leonard by using torture on him. LEONARD PELTIER IS BEING TORTURED! Torture is the act of allowing or causing excruciating pain for the purpose of punishment. Leonard has a medical problem with his jaw. Because of the malicious medical treatment at the Springfield Federal Medical Center, which came close to killing him, the condition of his jaw is much worse. The prison will not allow any outside doctor to examine Leonard, which is a right that other prisoners have, but Leonard is denied. The Mayo Clinic, which has done medical work on federal prisoners before has agreed to treat Leonard. Leonard is in excruciating continuous pain. He cannot even chew his food. Still the federal prison refuses to allow Leonard to get the treatment he needs. This is nothing short of blatant outright torture! We ask that all members of the NWLPSN, all supporters of Leonard and all those who believe in justice and oppose the use of torture to please, right now, e-mail messages asking that Leonard be allowed to be treated by the Mayo Clinic. Send messages to: Kathleen Hawk, Director, Bureau of Prisons, "attention indicator" via: [EMAIL PROTECTED] U.S. Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell at:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In your message, please not only bring up Leonard's medical condition, but also, that the prison's refusal of medical treatment should be a part of the Congressional hearings on Pine Ridge and the case of Leonard Peltier. Also please ask him when these hearings will take place. President Clinton at; [EMAIL PROTECTED] The e-mail campaign to end the torture of Leonard Peltier started last July. At that time people around the world sent e-mail messages. So many were sent that the Bur that they wanted us to send out our e-mail list in the hope that it would end the e-mail campaign. The NWLPSN will not send out the BOP's lies, nor will we call off this campaign until Leonard receives the medical treatment he needs. The torture of Leonard will continue until there is enough of a public out cry that demands that it end. Please take the time to send the needed e-mails and please pass along this information to other people, organizations, e-mail lists and web sites. Thank you for your time. In Solidarity Arthur J. Miller NWLPSN :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: S.I.S.I.S. Settlers In Support of Indigenous Sovereignty P.O. Box 8673, Victoria, "B.C." "Canada" V8X 3S2 EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://kafka.uvic.ca/~vipirg/SISIS/SISmain.html SOVERNET-L is a news-only listserv concerned with indigenous sovereigntist struggles around the world. To subscribe, send "subscribe sovernet-l" in the body of an email message to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For more information on sovernet-l, contact S.I.S.I.S. :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) Those who take the most from the table, teach contentment. Those for whom the taxes are destined, demand sacrifice. Those who eat their fill, speak to the hungry, of wonderful times to come. Those who lead the country into
[PEN-L:117] "Logic" of Profit/Power
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:32:01 -0400 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Lynne Moss-Sharman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MC] AIDS Canada - Clinton connection Reply-to: Lynne Moss-Sharman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Friday 11 September 1998 HIV blood came from Arkansas jail U.S. firm linked to Clinton bought from prisoners and sold to Montreal blood broker in '80s Mark Kennedy The Ottawa Citizen A U.S. firm with links to U.S. President Bill Clinton collected HIV-tainted blood from Arkansas prison inmates in the 1980s and shipped it to Canada, newly uncovered documents reveal. The contaminated plasma -- used to create special blood products for hemophiliacs -- is believed to have been infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. As well, it's likely the prisoners' blood was contaminated with hepatitis C. The story of how that plasma was collected and found its way into the bloodstreams of unsuspecting Canadians stands as one of the most shocking -- yet least explored -- aspects of the tainted-blood tragedy. Its significance is magnified by the fact that Mr. Clinton's name is associated with the story. Mr. Clinton was governor of Arkansas when the Canadian blood supply was contaminated in the mid-'80s. He was generally familiar with the operations of now-defunct Health Management Associates (HMA), the Arkansas firm that was given a contract by Mr. Clinton's own state administration to provide medical care to prisoners. In the process, HMA was also permitted to collect prisoners' blood and sell it elsewhere. HMA's president in the mid-1980s was Leonard Dunn, a personal friend and political ally of Mr. Clinton. Later, Mr. Dunn was a Clinton appointee to the Arkansas Industrial Development Commission, and he headed Mr. Clinton's 1990 gubernatorial re-election finance committee. It's not known how many Canadians contracted HIV from the plasma of Arkansas prisoners, who were paid $7 a unit, although it's likely that several hundred, perhaps thousands, were infected by the tainted products. At the time, U.S. companies that fractionate blood products had stopped buying prison blood because it was widely understood that, since many inmates practised unsafe sex or were intravenous drug addicts, their blood posed a high risk of carrying the AIDS virus. However, HMA found a willing buyer in a Montreal blood broker, who then sold the plasma to Toronto-based blood fractionator Connaught Laboratories. Connaught apparently didn't realize the plasma had come from prisoners. Canadians learned of the prison connection in 1995, when Justice Horace Krever's inquiry on the tainted-blood scandal unearthed some aspects of the story. In his voluminous report last November, Judge Krever chronicled what he knew of the prison plasma contract. But nowhere before now has any mention been made of Mr. Clinton's name, even though the facility in question -- Cummins prison in Grady, Arkansas -- was located in his state during an era when the governor's office was active in overseeing many aspects of public administration. Two new developments are bound to focus public attention on Mr. Clinton's knowledge of the prison-blood collection system -- all this at a time when the president is bracing himself for the fallout over independent counsel Kenneth Starr's report on the Monica Lewinsky affair. This month, a new book, Blood Trail, is being released in Canada and the U.S. It is a novel, and its Illinois publisher is carefully taking the usual legal precaution to declare in the book that if any characters in this "work of fiction" bear resemblance to real people, it is "purely coincidental." However, the book is a thinly veiled account of how an Arkansas governor gets caught up in a prison-blood scheme gone bad, becomes U.S. president, and tries to cover up his past. What adds to the book's mystique is that it is written under a pseudonym, "Michael Sullivan," to temporarily hide the author's true identity. The Citizen is aware of the author's real name, and has agreed to keep it confidential. The author is a medical practitioner in Arkansas who has direct knowledge of how the prison system worked when Mr. Clinton was governor. He wishes to remain anonymous temporarily because he fears retribution in his home state, but acknowledges that he will be willing to reveal his name once the media have reported details of the prison-blood collection program. At that point, he says, he won't feel as vulnerable. In another development, the Citizen has obtained copies of internal Arkansas state police documents written by investigators who were examining HMA in the mid-'80s. The investigators were following up on complaints the company supplied poor medical service to the prisoners (some had died, and one had lost a leg) and were probing rumours that the Clinton appointees on the prison board had demanded a bribe in return for renewing HMA's $3-million health
[PEN-L:106] Apology to Max
Max,
I agree with what you are saying and see--possibly--where it is
coming from. But you know, the highest tribute and honor to the
victims of the nazi Holocaust--Jewish and non-Jewish-- is to learn
and apply the lessons (paid for with horrible suffering and death)
that flow inexorably from it.
The nazis came to power and exercised their powers through playing on
self-centered feelings of special victimization and refusal to "walk
a mile in the shoes of another" on the part individuals of various
targeted groups--Jews, de-classed workers, Gypsies, etc. Divide and
rule was their main instrument of rule. It is easy for some to focus
on the horrors of the Holocaust as props for various agenda to
counter those who deny the Holocaust for their own sick agenda, but
learning and consistently applying the lessons is not so easy. that
is why someone like Israel Shahaak is so vilified because he did
suffer horribly and yet refuses to use wallow in it or use it for
cynical and narrow purposes or to deny the victimization of others,
including non-Jews. So when Israel engages in collective punishments,
forced relocations or alliances with outright nazis as in the case of
Pinochet's Chile or Apartheid South Africa or death-squad regimes of
Central America, precisely because of his suffering and the
sufferings of so many others, he cannot let it slide or join in the
sycophantic cheerleading because justifying such would be the
ultimate in Holocaust denial and desecration--refusal to learn and
apply the lessons paid for by those in whose name the lessons are not
being learned and applied under the banner of cynical political or
ideological agenda.
I don't question Zionists not living in Israel; many of the ones over
there right now are more dangerous to the survival and prosperity of
Jews and non-Jews in the region than anything the Arab States could
come up with. I question their zealotry, hypocrisy and mercenrary
opportunism in taking patently un-Jewish positions in the name of
Judaism equated with Zionism. I question their
congitive-dissonance-driven (congnitive dissonance for them) and
unprincipled stands and alliances probably formed to give them some
psychic release for not living over in Israel while professing to be
so Zionist thus driving them to even more extremes.
Thanks for your comments and position.
Jim
On 10 Sep 98 at 17:17, Max Sawicky wrote:
> >If I in any way miscontrued or misunderstood your position or confused with
> with Barkley's I sincerely apologize.>
>
> No problem.
>
> >I do not believe that in my response to either you or Barkley I was hurling
> invective as I tried to present my position with supporting evidence and/or
> reasoning and/or supporting opinion free of invective.>
>
> Rather than rake over that, let me suggest
> a potential benefit in putting ourselves
> in the other guys' shoes for a moment.
> I'm no doctor of psychoanalysis, but I
> never thought much of them anyway.
>
> You describe your adversaries as Holocaust
> deniers for their indifference to the fate
> of non-jews during WWII or any other time.
>
> For most, I would say, the issue is not
> a lack of knowledge of the facts, especially
> regarding the European holocaust. They may
> not know beans about Indians or Armenians.
> What's in question is their emotional scope,
> not their intellectual understanding;
> what they care about and how they
> relate to other people. By contrast,
> among deniers of the Nazi sort, the
> issue is either a disbelief that
> mass murder ever occurred, or a
> desire to deny it for perverse
> political reasons. This sort of
> denial is somewhat different from
> those Jews who don't want to hear
> about the suffering of other groups.
>
> I think that's really what's operating.
> Not, "I don't believe you," but "I don't
> want to listen to you." The political
> corrollary is, our fates have nothing
> in common.
>
> Isn't this exactly part and parcel
> of racism in the overarching historical
> sense? The isolation of a group for
> victimization is aimed at inducing
> the victims to isolate themselves,
> as in divide and conquer, 101.
> Isolation is expressed as desperate
> efforts of self-defense ('we have to
> save ourselves first'), in betrayal
> of one's own for the sake of an
> individual or narrow sub-group, and,
> after the fact, in a denial of the
> suffering of others. In other words,
> what you call holocaust denial, which
> in a certain literal sense is an apt
> description, is also an artifact of
> victimization, and perhaps better
> understood in the latter respect.
>
> Victimization in this sense is obviously
> much more attenuated for some than for
> others. Nobody borne after WWII could
> have known anyone who fell victim to
> the Nazis. The transmission of pain
> from elder to younger would obviously
> vary among families and according to
> individual sensitivity. Some with
> virtually no experience of such grief
> are
[PEN-L:104] Indigenous peoples and death by "acciden
must be
> noted that there were some who immigrated who did so with
> the intent of trying to get along with the Indians and to
> treat them fairly, William Penn and the Quakers being a
> prominent example. One can laugh at the purchase of
> Manhatten by the Dutch for wampum beads, but in fact wampum
> beads were used by the East Coast tribes as a medium of
> exchange for intertribal trade (plus there was no way of
> knowing how valuable real estate in Manhatten would become
> several centuries later, not that the behavior of the
> Dutch was admirable overall). Unfortunately, even when
> organized groups of colonists or immigrants started out
> with such intentions and even behaviors, they were usually
> succeeded sooner or later by others whose attitudes/actions
> took a more aggressive and hostile form, even up to
> including conscious (and often successful) efforts at
> either removal or outright extermination.
> I am well aware that there are many Indian tribes that
> have been completely wiped out, both physically and
> culturally, in some cases as the result of conscious effort
> and design by European immigrants or their descendents.
> Although generally there were fewer people involved, these
> were in some sense more awful holocausts than what happened
> to the Jews under Hitler because they were indeed fully
> successful in their exterminating outcomes.
> Barkley Rosser
> On Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:03:21 PST8PDT James Michael Craven
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Response: Jim C
> >
> > Barkley, with all due respect, if you think Louis' comments are
> > "overdone" I would suggest that you read the works of Bartolome de
> > Las Casas who was a contemporary of Columbus and eye-witness to many
> > of the practices of the Spaniards. See: "The Spanish Colonie" and
> > "Historia de las Indias" Newsweek magazine (July 15, 1991) magazine
> > called him a "revisionist historian" which is interesting because de Las Casas was
> > the FIRST historian (how to you revise when there is nothing before
> > you to revise) to chronicle and detail Columbus' actities. For
> > example:
> > [The Spaniards] made bets as to who would slit a man in
> > two, or cut off his head at one blow; or they opened up
> > his bowels. The tore the babies from their mother's
> > breast by their feet and dashed their heads against the
> > rocks...They spitted the bodies of other babes, together
> > with their mothers and all who were before them, on
> > their swords.
> > and:
> > "... in this time, the greatest outrages and
> > slaughterings of people were perpetrated, whole villages
> > being depopulated...The Indians saw that without any
> > offense on their part they were despoiled of their
> > kingdoms, their lands and liberties and of their lives,
> > their wives and homes. As they saw themselves each
> > day perishing by the cruel and inhuman treatment of
> > the Spaniards, crushed to earth by horses, cut in pieces
> > by swords, eaten and torn by dogs, many buried alive
> > and suffering all kinds of exquisite tortures...[many
> > surrendered to their fate, while the survivors]fled to
> > the mountains to starve."
> > and:
> > "By massacres and murders...they have destroyed and
> > devastated a kingdom more than a hundred leagues square,
> > one of the happiest in the way of fertility and
> > population in the world. This same tyrant {Alvarado]
> > wrote that it was more populous than the kingdom of
> > Mexico; and he told the truth. He and his brothers,
> > together with the others, have killed more than four or
> > five million people in fifteen or sixteen years, from
> > the year 1525 until 1540; and they continue to kill and
> > destroy those who are still left; and so they will kill
> > the remainder."
> >
> > Those are just some samples of many many eye-witness accounts. With
> > respect, this "a priorism" of sweeping away the possibility of
> > intended bacterialogical warfare, wholesale slaughter etc on the
> > basis of a syllogism assuming that it would not be "rational" to do
> > so as
[PEN-L:94] Apology to Max
Max, If I in any way miscontrued or misunderstood your position or confused with with Barkley's I sincerely apologize. I do not believe that in my response to either you or Barkley I was hurling invective as I tried to present my position with supporting evidence and/or reasoning and/or supporting opinion free of invective. On the issue of the Nizkor list, I did get riled up because unfortunately that list is dominated by some Holocaust Deniers of another sort and it really pisses me off when I see the notation we do not allow Holocaust Deniers on this list and that list is being dominated by another and more acceptable type of Holocaust denier. I am sick of people who know nothing about the dimensions of the nazi Holocaust other than those that relate to Jews, summarily, apriori and arrogantly dismissing the sufferings of other groups like Roma and Sinti Peoples (Gypsies)--the word Porrajmos in Romani language means the same as Shoah--or Homosexuals, or Slavic Peoples or Communists or Righteous Gentiles or Others or summarily, apriori and arrogantly dismissing the notion of other Holocausts with lies like: a) Other groups were not specifically targeted for extermination; b) Other groups did not suffer proportionately as much as Jews; c) Other groups may have been tageted for "Cultural" but not physical extinction; d) Other groups were not specifically "intended" for extermination (read Mein Kampf); etc; these are out-and-out lies. Further I resent Jewish exclusivism, a pernicious and more acceptable form of Holocaust denial being used to promote agenda and reactionary forces that themselves desecrate in the worst way, because they cynically use and manipulate the justifiable horrors and anger at was has been done to Jews in the Holocaust, to promote/justify reactionary agenda of some Zionists that represent the ultimate in Holocaust denial and desecration (e.g. selling cluster bombs to the Pinochet Regime employing Walter Rauff as chief Internal Security Advisor or sharing nuclear weapons technologies and other support to Aparteid South Africa whose regimes were riddled with self-professed nazis). And further I resent people who know nothing about past and present realities of Indians summarily asserting contrived syllogisms and supposed logic that "it wouldn't be rational, It couldn't have happened that way..." to promote Jewish exclusivism. And finally, and this is not directed at you in any way, I resent some of these "Super Jews" and allied non-Jews, caught in a cognitive dissonance trap (If one is a such a Zionist, why isn't he/she living in Israel putting body and lifestyle on the line?) who attempt to resolve their psychological problems flowing from their congitive dissonance situation, with rabid Zionism, sycophantic whoring and support for anything Israel does and supports and even further desecrating other groups of brutalized peoples by vigorously denying/slandering their true sufferings or the possibility that they also, like Jews, have suffered horribly. That Nizkor list is an abomination and represents the worst in sycophantic dishonesty and true Holocaust denial. thanks for listening to my rant. Jim James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) Those who take the most from the table, teach contentment. Those for whom the taxes are destined, demand sacrifice. Those who eat their fill, speak to the hungry, of wonderful times to come. Those who lead the country into the abyss, call ruling difficult, for ordinary folk. (Bertolt Brecht) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:82] Makah Whale Hunt
PILGRIM'S PROGRESS Paul Watson allies with a far-right Republican in his fight against aboriginal whaling by: M-J Milloy HOUR Magazine Montreal, Quebec 10.9.98/ page 12 www.afterhour.com It took the early white missionaries and explorers weeks to navigate the rugged coastline of northern Washington State to reach the Makah nation, perched on the very northwestern tip of the US. It w Sometime next month the veteran anti-whaling activist will make that trip with a three-ship flotilla from his Sea Shepherd Society. Their goal is to disrupt, by almost any means necessary, the first Watson who promises to ³talk to the whales² with Orca-like sonar signals and may try to physically block the Makah vessels is no stranger to uncompromising, and very media-savvy, direct action. It¹s an image that sells and his exploits and opinions are rabidly eaten up by many in the media and trendy liberals in Hollywood, including Daniel Baldwin and Jane ³Dr Quinn² Seymour. But when Watson¹s three-ship flotilla and the Makah whaling boats weigh anchor in early October, their conflict in the Juan de Fuca Strait will be about more than just the fate of some unlucky grey And there will be more than just the spirits of the past along on Watson¹s armada: supporting Watson¹s actions are Jack Metcalf, the local Republican congressman, who has links to the American far r With missionary zeal, Paul Watson has made an unholy alliance and chosen a no-longer endangered species over an endangered nation. For the Makah that support the hunt most of the tribal elders and about 85 per cent in a 1995 referendum, according to the tribal administration the hunt means a chance to revive Makah tradition ³Many of us believe that the problems besetting our young people stem from a lack of discipline and pride. We believe the restoration of whaling will help to restore that,² wrote the Makah Whaling C The Commission also notes that they are guaranteed the right to whale in their 1885 treaty with the US government, and that the Makah would take at most 20 whales by the year 2000 out of a total p Watson is dismissive of the Makah¹s claim of cultural revival. All they¹re reviving is ³pulling the trigger on a 50-calibre gun,² according to Watson. In addition, the Sea Shepherd Society has conde ³Progress affects everyone living in this new era of the Global Village. No legitimate argument can be made that the Makah, or any other ethnic group, can move their culture forward through ritual k Although these words echo early Christian missionaries who condemned aboriginal culture as savage and obsolete during colonization Watson isn¹t uncomfortable acting as the arbiter of Makah cultu ³If you want to revive culture and traditions, how do you do that by killing something?² he said. Watson¹s arrogance is almost more than one local observer, a professor in Vancouver, Washington, and a Blackfoot, can take. ³I¹m watching daily the destruction of Indian people and culture is a central aspect of that. I see our culture ridiculed, mocked, defiled... and all this emotion about whales and nothing said abo For Watson, the Makah motivations are neither social good nor cultural revival but strictly economic gain. ³This is a community that is very well off. I¹ve not seen any poverty in their community. They¹ve wiped out their fishery and now they want to take the whales,² he said. The hunt will only enrich part of the community, and is being supported by whaling nations like Japan and Norway who want to use ³cultural exemptions² to restart their own whaling fleets, accord But while Watson uses the alleged Makah connection to the Japanese whaling industry to oppose the hunt, he has entered into his own marriage of unholy convenience. Congressman Jack Metcalf represents the extreme northwestern chunk of Washington State that includes the Makah territory. Watson and Metcalf are longtime opponents of the Makah hunt, and Metcalf has How do you explain a Republican supporting an environmentalist, let alone the most militant of the lot? Metcalf¹s involvement in the wise-use movement tells most of the tale. Sometimes called ³property rights² advocates, wise-users¹ main concern is the defense of individuals¹ property rights, including the rights of individuals to own, develop and enjoy primarily throu Metcalf has been at the centre of the movement. Before being elected to Congress in the ³Contract with America² Republican wave, Metcalf helped start the United Property Owners of Washington, a prop One observer believes Metcalf¹s support of Watson is an alliance of convenience to support Metcalf¹s greater goal of rolling back native treaty rights. ³I don¹t believe for a minute that Jack Metcalf cares about the whales,² said Bill Watson of the Northwest Coalition, a Seattle NGO. ³It¹s a way to go after the tribe. It¹s a way to extend his anti-Indian campaign. Believe me, if it wa
[PEN-L:68] Re: RE: Re: Indigenous peoples and death by "acciden
Response to Max: With all due respect Max, this is why this Jewish exclusivism vis-a-vis ONE Holocausts and ONE group of victims that were unique in that they were specifically targeted for extermination is so pernicious and feels for other victims of THE Holocaust or victims of other Holocausts exactly how the "scholarship" and rantings of the neo-nazi Holocaust deniers feel for Jewish victims. And this is why I have written on this subject. Even in terms of the nazi Holocaust, the Wannsee Conference included Sinti and Romani Peoples (so-called Gypsies) to be targeted for total destruction and in fact, the "genetic test" for defining who was a Gypsie to be targeted for extermination was even more stringent than for defining who is a Jew to be targeted for extermination. But beyond that, I urge you to read Ward Churchill's "A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas 1492 to Present" as the scholarship is overwhelming and voluminous and will perhaps disabuse you of this notion that Indians were not specifically targeted for total extermination as it might illustrate to you that there have been indeed other Holocausts by any criteria you might care to use to define what happened to Jews as a Holocaust; and indeed even in the Nazi Holocaust, there were indeed other groups, targeted as whole groups, for total annihilation. Just as some anti-Zionists and the Holocaust deniers are using Holocaust denial as a cover for rabid antisemitism that is unpalatable for many in its more rabid and overt forms, so this Jewish exclusivity and the ONE Holocaust and only ONE group of people specifically targeted for extermination is being used to cover all sorts of ugly crimes and Faustian Bargains done in the name of Zionism and "Never Again." for example, the sale of cluster bombs to the Pinochet Government at precisely the time that the Chief Internal Security Advisor to Pinochet was none ofhter than Walter Rauff, formerly of the nazi SS, designer of the mobile gas chambers masked as red cross vans, sentenced to death in absentia (why didn't they kidnap him like Eichmann?). So if you admit that you know nothing about the history of Indians or Armenians, then why summarily a priori dismiss the notion of other Holocausts or the notion of other groups of people specifically targeted for extermination? And what does specifically targeted for extermination mean? What does it take to show "mens rea"?. Acknowledging more than one Holocaust or other groups of victims of the nazi Holocaust does not "dillute" or deny or disrespect the suffering of the Jewish victims of the nazi Holocaust; rather it disrespects those non-Jewish victims, real Judaism (that is free of chauvinism and exclusivism when it comes to the worth of victims) and indeed the Jewish victims as well since the became victims through a system and by nazi creatures who practiced divide and rule, isolate individual groups of victims from their natural allies and assigned "hierarchies" when discussing the worth and value of human beings or victims. (so-called Lebensuwertes Leben or "life unworthy of life"). Please do some research on the subject. I'm sure that you would not want you and your sentiments to be unwittingly used for purposes and by forces that have nothing to do with real Judaism or with real respect for the victims of the nazi Holocaust--Jewish and non-Jewish. >From Israel Charny Executive Director of the Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide in Jerusalem: "I object very strongly to the efforts to name the genocide of any one people as the single, ultimate event, or as the most important event against which all other tragedies of genocidal mass death are to be tested and found wanting...For me, the passion to exclude this or that mass killing from the universe of genocide, as well as the intense competition to establish the exclusive 'superiority' or unique form of any one genocide, ends up creating a fetishistic atmosphere in which the masses of bodies that are not to be qualified for the definition of genocide are dumped into a conceptual black hole, where they are forgotten (quoted in Churchill p. 52) In the Russia House, the central charaacter, Barley Scott Blair, a drunken, cynical, self-centered, hedonist publisher of an inherited and failing publishing house is drunk with some Russian friends in a dacha and he is waxing eloquent: "If there is to be hope, we must all 'betray' our country. We have to save each other because all victims are equal and none is more equal than others. It is everyone's duty to start the avalanche. Nowadays you have to think like a hero just to behave like a merely decent human being." Anyway, I know the feeling; we have Indian exclusivists who don't recorgnize or care a wit about Jewish suffering in the nazi Holocaust. Holocausts are Holcausts; Victims are Victims; Holocaust Denial is Holcaust Denial. Please
[PEN-L:62] (Fwd) BC's Round Lake Treatment Center Sex-abuse Case
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:14:05 -0800 To:(Recipient list suppressed) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (S.I.S.I.S.) Subject: BC's Round Lake Treatment Center Sex-abuse Case NATIVE DRUG CENTRE FACES SEX-ABUSE SUIT Vancouver Sun, August 28, 1998 by Stewart Bell [S.I.S.I.S. note: The following mainstream news article may contain biased or distorted information and may be missing pertinent facts and/or context. It is provided for reference only.] An Agassiz woman is claiming she was raped repeatedly by her counsellor, Charles Andrew, while attending the centre as a teenager. She also says a staff member acted as a look-out during the assaults. Wayne Christian, executive director of the Round Lake society, said the allegation by De Roux is the first of its kind in the 20 years the society has been operating. More than 5,000 aboriginal people from across Canada and the U.S. have been treated at the centre, which is on Okanagan Indian reserve land near Vernon. Eight out of 10 completed the intensive program, which combines the philosophy of Alcoholics Anonymous with traditional aboriginal healing beliefs. Two-thirds have stayed sober. "It changed my life," said Anita McPhee, a North Vancouver resident who went to Round Lake in 1994 to deal with her alcohol and drug problem. "It was one of the most positive experiences of my life." But Annette De Roux says she was sexually assaulted "in my room, in his office, in the gym bathroom, in the storage room in the basement and at other places on the site of the Round Lake Treatment Centre premises." De Roux, now 23, has launched a lawsuit against Andrew, who has not been seen since 1993, and the Interior Native Alcohol and Drug Abuse Society, which runs the Round Lake facility. The case will be in court in Vancouver Sept. 8 to schedule a trial date. The case is part of a trend in which victims of abuses are seeking to make institutions liable for the alleged misdeeds of their employees. The courts appear to be moving in that direction, having found, for example, that the United Church was partly responsible for the abuses of a residential school supervisor. Christian said the centre thoroughly checks out prospective employees and keeps close track of clients during their stay. But De Roux, who also claims she was sexually assaulted by her stepfather, John Wells, beginning at age three, tells a different story. De Roux lives on the Sea Bird Island Indian reserve and has a daughter she says was fathered by Andrew. On the advice of her lawyer, Theresa Stowe, De Roux declined to be interviewed. "No comment and no picture and no thank you," she said. De Roux was born on May 27, 1975, the daughter of Sharon and Clayton De Roux. She lived in remote Hendrick's Lake until age two, when she moved with her mother to Vancouver. Her mother lived in a house on Quebec Street with Wells, then at a place on Welwin Street. It was at this home, and at nearby Clark Park, that de Roux claims the sex assaults began. The abuse continued after the family moved to another home on Broadway, she claims. Wells, who is also named as a defendant in her lawsuit, denies the allegations. At age 12, De Roux became a ward of the province and moved into a Maple Ridge foster home. She was discharged to her mother the next year. That Christmas, during a visit to Wells's home, she claims in her suit, she and Wells had intercourse for the first time. In the new year, she went to another foster home, but soon went absent without leave, a pattern that continued at various foster homes throughout Vancouver over the next three years. She went to Templeton secondary school, but left after a week. At age 16, she moved in with Wells in Hope. It was 1992. She attended the Hope Alcohol and Drug Program. "During my stay with him, Wells sexually assaulted me on a daily basis," she says in her court statement. She left after eight months. Addicted to drugs and alcohol, she arrived at Round Lake on Nov. 2, 1992 for an intensive treatment program. De Roux's drug and alcohol counsellor was Andrew, the adopted son of a retired RCMP officer. He started work at Round Lake two months before De Roux arrived. During the Christmas holiday, De Roux returned to Wells's home and Andrew visited. She alleges Andrew sexually assaulted her at a Best Western hotel in Vancouver, then again at a motel in Kamloops. After she returned to Round Lake, the assaults continued "on frequent occasions" the suit says. "Members of the Round Lake Treatment Centre were aware of the sexual assaults," she says in her suit. She says she has suffered posttraumatic stress disorder, headaches, eating disorders, sleeping disorders, depression, anxiety and suicidal periods. She further claims that Andrew took advantage of her vulnerable condition, and that she was legally an "infant" as defined by B.C. law and therefore unable to consent to sex. Andrew, she says,
[PEN-L:46] Koreans and Indians
Oh, the historical as well as present-day parallels are so striking: >From Marty Hart-Landsberg's "Korea:Division, Reunification and U.S. Foreign Policy", Monthly Review Press, NY, 1998 p. 46 : "In 1871 the U.S. Asiatic Squadron sent five warships to Korea, in part to avenge the 1866 killings of the crew of the 'General Sherman'. After being fired upon, U.S. Marines attacked forts on Kanghwa Island, which guarded the river entrance to Seoul. Unable to make contact with the Korean court to gain either an apology or commercial treaty, the fleet soon withdrew. After that victory, the Taewon'gun [ruling regent and father of the new young king] placed stone markers on main streets in Seoul and at other important points in the country reading 'Western barbarians invade our land. If we do not fight, we must then appease them. To urge appeasement is to betray the nation.' " [ HOW PROPHETIC ! ] and from p. 52: " Japan's immediate economic interest in Korea was as a producer of food and raw materials. Thus one of the colonial government's first actions was to initiate a comprehensive land survey from 1910 to 1918, the purpose of which was to establish the land relations necessary to guarantee the desired export of food and primary products to Japan. The survey involved mapping all existing plots of land, classifying them according to their type and productivity, and most importantly, establishing ownership. As part of the survey process, the Japanese created a complex system in which Koreans were required to document their ownership; those who could not or did not understand the requirements of the registration system had their land seized by the colonial government. This happened to many small farmers. The system also allowed the colonial government to legally seize all lands that had previously been clasified as public or royal land. As a result, the colonial government became Korea's largest landholder. In 1930 it held approximately 40 percent of the total land area of Korea. It eventually sold some of the best land at bargain prices to Japanese development companies and individual Japanese farmers." Editorial Note: Even today, people of Korean descent, born in Japan, many of whom speak only fluent Japanese, can never become Japanese citizens and must carry by law, special ID Cards identifying their Korean orgins; this ID Card looks a lot like the Registration Process/ BIA Card carried and endured by some Indians in America. The historical and present-day parallels are striking. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) Those who take the most from the table, teach contentment. Those for whom the taxes are destined, demand sacrifice. Those who eat their fill, speak to the hungry, of wonderful times to come. Those who lead the country into the abyss, call ruling difficult, for ordinary folk. (Bertolt Brecht) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:45] Marty's Book
I just received today from Marty Hart-Landberg a copy of his book "Korea: Division, Reunification, and U.S. Foreign Policy", Monthly Review Press, 1998 and I'm already over half-way through it because I just can't put it down (except for a few pauses to give some of my comments on various matters). This is a perfect example of how a book can be rigorously researched and argued and yet also be "a good read." for both the specialist and non-specialist. Marty gives just the right historical background and identifies/interweaves the most salient Korean and non-Korean historical events and trends that are necessary to understand present-day Korean realities: division, the desire/imperative for unification, political-economic structures of dependency and U.S. hegemony, the special content and character of "North" Korean socialism, the puppet dictatorships of "South" Korea, powers/influences of the Chaebol, the Korean student and unification movements, special prospects/features of Korean unification when compared with other countries like Germany historically divided and then reunified, historical/present-day roles and nature of the KCTU, the real Kim Young Sam and his origins and the importance of Korea geopolitically/economically to U.S. and other imperialist designs and interests. It is well worth reading and is an important contribution to an important subject. Caution, can be addictive once beginning reading. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) Those who take the most from the table, teach contentment. Those for whom the taxes are destined, demand sacrifice. Those who eat their fill, speak to the hungry, of wonderful times to come. Those who lead the country into the abyss, call ruling difficult, for ordinary folk. (Bertolt Brecht) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:44] Re: Re: Re: rude jokes heard at lunch
Response: Yes I understand what you mean, but then again "gallows humor" is less funny to the one going to the gallows. Sometimes these kinds of jokes desensitize to the true magnitude and horrors for the victims of that about which the joke is being made and desensitization is useful for those who would outright advocate what is being "joked about." But maybe I'm just too uptight or too dogmatic or perhaps too jaded, so being the empiricist I am, I'll try that joke on a woman I know who was sexually abused by Catholic "Priests" (one of which is now a Bishop) from the time she was 8 years old until she was 13 years old (then she became "too old" to be further sexually abused, but other forms continued). I'll let you know if the thinks its funny. Jim On 9 Sep 98 at 15:33, James Devine wrote: > I don't think that a joke about something condones that activity. Gallows > humor has always been a part of human life, part of human efforts to > survive the absurdity and cruelty of society and many of our fellow human > beings. > > I wrote: > >> 2. Joe discovers that his girlfriend is packing her bags and moving out of > >> his apartment. When he asks why, she says "I can't stand your pedophilia." > >> Says he: "that's a pretty big word for a 10-year old!" > > Jim Craven writes: > >There will be another Tribunal in Canada dealing with sexual > >and other forms of abuse, murder and forced assimilation of Indian > >Children (Oct 3-4) and I'm sure that this joke will be a real hit-- > >especially for the victims. > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & > http://clawww.lmu.edu/Departments/ECON/jdevine.html James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) Those who take the most from the table, teach contentment. Those for whom the taxes are destined, demand sacrifice. Those who eat their fill, speak to the hungry, of wonderful times to come. Those who lead the country into the abyss, call ruling difficult, for ordinary folk. (Bertolt Brecht) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:43] (Fwd) Prime Ministerial involvment in Gustafsen Lake
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: John Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Prime Ministerial involvment in Gustafsen Lake Revelations have emerged and are making headlines that the Prime Minister's office was involved in the pepper-spraying of protesters during anti-Apec protests last year. No similar interest has been shown into the involvement of Chretien and other high ranking federal and provincial politicians in the 1995 Gustafsen Lake Affair - the largest paramilitary operation in Canadian history. In the interest of pointing out that the spraying of machine gun fire at Indigenous people is every bit as worthy of an inquiry as is the pepper-spraying of University students - or should be, the following excerpts from disclosed documents is presented. The release was originally run last year. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:26:44 -0700 From: "S.I.S.I.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: August 26th: Gustafsen 2 years ago :-:-:-:-S.I.S.I.S. Settlers In Support of Indigenous Sovereignty:-:-:-:-: Aug. 26, 1997 Bulletin PRIME MINISTER SIGNED ORDER TO SEND ARMED FORCES TO GUSTAFSEN RCMP NOTES REVEAL - "WE HAVE TO GET THE MINISTERS IN LINE" "The allegations of police and government wrong-doings are so serious that there is no question there should be a public inquiry into whether or not the rule of law was respected." - Canadian Forum Magazine: April '97. WE WILL NEVER FORGET GUSTAFSEN LAKE : A PUBLIC INQUIRY NOW! Two years ago the governments of British Columbia and Canada were mounting the largest paramilitary operation in Canadian history against a small group of Indigenous and non-native resisters occupying sacred, unceded Sundance grounds at Ts'peten (Gustafsen Lake). A massive cover-up has thus far kept the truth from public view. After a corrupt and bizarre kangaroo court process during which they were denied their counsel of choice, an acknowledged expert in international and constitutional law, Defenders are being held as political prisoners. World-wide, supporters have called for their release and a full public inquiry with international supervision. In the interest of furthering this inquiry call - we look back. August 26, 1995 : Gustafsen Lake - Two Years ago today. :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: Bruce Clark, LL.B., M.A., Ph.D.(Law) Barrister & Solicitor BY FAX AND BY MAIL August 26, 1995 Elizabeth II c/o The Right Honourable Sir Robert Fellowes, KCB, KCVO Private Secretary to Elizabeth II Buckingham Palace London, UK SW1 Your Majesty: August 24th I asked the Governor General to perform his single most important constitutional duty: to apprehend the crimes in progress by the Canadian Ministers of State, Judges and Police of treason and fraud against the Canadian constitution and genocide against the traditionalist sector of the aboriginal peoples. By replying on the 25th that I should apply to the alleged criminals themselves for relief he has, knowingly, elected to aid and abet the said crimes in progress. The salvation of the Canadian nation from its errant political and juridical leadership is now up to you. This is constitutionally appropriate. Your office relative to this country exists for no higher, more rational, more just or justifiable purpose. Please delay no longer in performing the constitutional duty required of you by my clients' petition dated January 3, 1995. A handful of lives depends upon your immediate response today, more in the years to follow. On behalf of all Canadians I thank you for your unwavering vigilance for and devotion to their constitution. Sincerely, Bruce Clark Encl. Copies: The Right Honourable the Governor General of Canada Romeo Leblanc The Honourable the Prime Minister of Canada Jean Chretien The Right Honourable the Chief Justice of Canada Antionio Lamer The Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police P. Murray Royal Canadian Mounted Police Staff Sergeant M. P. Sarich :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: RCMP NOTES - AUGUST 26, 1995 [information in squared brackets is a S.I.S.I.S. addition.] "Premier [of British Columbia] does not want to be drawn into or bound by anything" "Prov - concerned about post-event news release - manage" "Apex - Gov't will not expropriate - a 1036 Order in Council request. New Hazlelton - going for injunction. Prov. advised. - end 8:48 AM. - 5 minutes later Quantz [BC Attorney-General's assistant] wants to send list of question for our written response. - told to send by Victoria S/D secure fax. - questions & responses to
[PEN-L:40] Re: rude jokes heard at lunch
> 2. Joe discovers that his girlfriend is packing her bags and moving out of > his apartment. When he asks why, she says "I can't stand your pedophilia." > Says he: "that's a pretty big word for a 10-year old!" > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & > http://clawww.lmu.edu/Departments/ECON/jdevine.html Jim, There will be another Tribunal in Canada dealing with sexual and other forms of abuse, murder and forced assimilation of Indian Children (Oct 3-4) and I'm sure that this joke will be a real hit-- especially for the victims. Jim C James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) Those who take the most from the table, teach contentment. Those for whom the taxes are destined, demand sacrifice. Those who eat their fill, speak to the hungry, of wonderful times to come. Those who lead the country into the abyss, call ruling difficult, for ordinary folk. (Bertolt Brecht) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:39] Re: Re: Indigenous peoples and death by "accidental"
Response: Jim C
Barkley, with all due respect, if you think Louis' comments are
"overdone" I would suggest that you read the works of Bartolome de
Las Casas who was a contemporary of Columbus and eye-witness to many
of the practices of the Spaniards. See: "The Spanish Colonie" and
"Historia de las Indias" Newsweek magazine (July 15, 1991) magazine
called him a "revisionist historian" which is interesting because de Las Casas was
the FIRST historian (how to you revise when there is nothing before
you to revise) to chronicle and detail Columbus' actities. For
example:
[The Spaniards] made bets as to who would slit a man in
two, or cut off his head at one blow; or they opened up
his bowels. The tore the babies from their mother's
breast by their feet and dashed their heads against the
rocks...They spitted the bodies of other babes, together
with their mothers and all who were before them, on
their swords.
and:
"... in this time, the greatest outrages and
slaughterings of people were perpetrated, whole villages
being depopulated...The Indians saw that without any
offense on their part they were despoiled of their
kingdoms, their lands and liberties and of their lives,
their wives and homes. As they saw themselves each
day perishing by the cruel and inhuman treatment of
the Spaniards, crushed to earth by horses, cut in pieces
by swords, eaten and torn by dogs, many buried alive
and suffering all kinds of exquisite tortures...[many
surrendered to their fate, while the survivors]fled to
the mountains to starve."
and:
"By massacres and murders...they have destroyed and
devastated a kingdom more than a hundred leagues square,
one of the happiest in the way of fertility and
population in the world. This same tyrant {Alvarado]
wrote that it was more populous than the kingdom of
Mexico; and he told the truth. He and his brothers,
together with the others, have killed more than four or
five million people in fifteen or sixteen years, from
the year 1525 until 1540; and they continue to kill and
destroy those who are still left; and so they will kill
the remainder."
Those are just some samples of many many eye-witness accounts. With
respect, this "a priorism" of sweeping away the possibility of
intended bacterialogical warfare, wholesale slaughter etc on the
basis of a syllogism assuming that it would not be "rational" to do
so as they would be depriving themselves of a source of labor, works
just like the Holocaust deniers who summarily and a priori assert
that mass murder of so many Jews would have been technologically
impossible and/or not "rational" as Jews were a source of slave labor
desperately needed. This kind of a priorism, so common in economics
and other disciplines, and employed in lieu of concrete scholarship
and research in a given area or on a particular subject, not only
leads to tautologies or contrived syllogisms, it is also very
offensive to those who do serious research in these areas and/or are
the descendants of those victims being summarily dismissed with "It
just couldn't have happened that way..."
Jim Craven
On 9 Sep 98 at 17:00, Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
> Louis,
> Oh, I probably shouldn't get into this, but I do think
> this is overdone. It would seem that you imply that most
> European immigrants to the Western Hemisphere were fully
> (or at least partly) aware when they got on a boat to come
> here that they were carrying diseases which the Native
> American Indian population did not possess resistance to.
> I find this highly unlikely. There was an awful lot of
> very unfortunate accident in what happened.
> Of course there were instances of conscious spreading
> of disease with overt genocidal motives, the famous giving
> of smallpox-ridden blankets being the most notorious such
> example. And plenty of European colonizing leaders engaged
> in genocidal acts in many other ways.
> I think the sign of the incongruity here is that
> indeed the Spanish would just as soon not have had the
> Indians of the Caribbean die off. What was the benefit to
> them? None. They had to pay Portuguese slave traders to
> bring in African slaves who had sufficient disease
> resistance. And of course there were areas where there was
> either a sufficiently large Indian population base and/or
> rate of intermarriage with the colonists so that many
> people of Indian ancestry survived, if sometimes with their
> cultures no longer intact, Mexico being the prime example.
> There is no question for me that
[PEN-L:35] Fidel's speech
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Roland Chrisjohn, Ph. D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fw: Fidel's speech Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:01:26 -0400 Kahn-Tineta's morning message to me... -- > From: Kahn-Tineta Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: John Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Fidel's speech > Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 10:51 PM > > what do you think of this. kh > > SPECIAL REPORT FROM RADIO HAVANA CUBA > WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, 1998 > > SPEECH BY CUBAN PRESIDENT FIDEL CASTRO AT THE INAUGURAL SESSION OF THE > SUMMIT OF NON-ALIGNED NATIONS IN DURBAN, SOUTH AFRICA. WEDNESDAY, > SEPTEMBER 2, 1998 > > > The President of South Africa, Nelson Mandela, Mr. Vice President, > President of the Inaugural Session, Heads of State and Government, > Distinguished Delegates and Guests: > > To endure the global struggle between the superpowers is bad. To live > under total hegemonic domination by one of them is worse. Let us speak > frankly. > > It is not possible to resign oneself to a world order whose highest > principals and objectives embody a system that colonized, enslaved and > plundered us for decades. There is no swan-song, no close of history, > no end to the struggle of this movement of non-aligned countries -- the > group of peoples that during the Cold War fought, > supported and defended the interests and just causes of Third World > nations in the struggle for national liberation. > > We do not have to ask permission or seek excuses from anyone to exist > and to continue the struggle. Even the United States vehemently sought > to be included in this summit as an observer. This way, the great > emperor can see how its modest subjects behave. > > The United Nations needs to be reformed and democratized. The > dictatorship of the Security Council needs to end. The General Assembly > needs to recognize its rights and bring together representatives from > every country in the world. The Council should > be enlarged in proportion to the current number of countries. Its > permanent members should be doubled, even tripled if necessary. > > Why the limitation on one representative for Latin America and the > Caribbean, one for Asia and one for Africa? Whose idea was that? Who > accepted it? Why not two or three representatives from each of these > regions that together constitute the vast majority of the > United Nations? If Western Europe has two members, why do more than four > billion people of the Third World not have even one? > > The right to veto should disappear. Moreover, it should be impossible > and unacceptable to have members of two different categories. If they > are not going to rotate, they will only exist to deceive, confuse, > divide and diminish the qualifications of new members. Everyone should > have the same rights. > > The International Monetary Fund should also be transformed and > democratized. It needs to cease being an overall political > destabilizing agent and a financial gendarme in the interests of the > United States. Nobody should have the power to veto its decisions. > This applies to the World Bank as well. > > The World Trade Organization, in which we are a majority, cannot be > converted into a medium of deceit and division by using it as a tool to > impose cruel, global neo-liberalism on the world. Nor can it be a party > to a binding multilateral accord on investment which is a creation of > the Organization for Development and Cooperation in Europe -- an > exclusive club for the rich in which none of our countries participate > but who are, nevertheless, forced to jump onto the bandwagon or be left > out with numerous consequences. Freedom of movement should not only > apply to capital and commodities but above all to human beings. > > No more bloodied walls along the border between the USA and Mexico that > costs hundreds of lives each year! End the persecution of immigrants > and the accompanying xenophobia! Stop the hypocritical cries of protest > when other nations attempt to build nuclear arms while your privileged > nuclear capability becomes more and more potent, precise and deadly! > This only stimulates interminable proliferation that will never truly > lead to total nuclear disarmament. > > The arms race has not slowed for one second -- not so much in volume as > in quality. It serves only to guarantee the privileges of the new order > and is a source of profitable and dishonest business. Armaments are > increasingly more expensive. Developing nations ruin themselves and kill > each other with them. Trafficking in arms is worse than trafficking in > drugs. > > Neo-liberal globalization is rapidly destroying our natural environment, > poisoning our air and water, deforesting our lands, eroding our soils > into wasteland, squandering our natural resources, changing our > climate. How and with what shall 10 billion hum
[PEN-L:34] Alternate Indigenous NAFTA Summit Calgary (fwd)
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: John Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Alternate Indigenous NAFTA Summit Calgary (fwd) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 09:30:36 -0400 From: Kahn-Tineta Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Alternate Indigenous NAFTA Summit Calgary Imagine a race between two individuals in which one runner is held back until the other is 80% around the track; the winner is certain. Now, imagine that the pre-ordained winner of the first race gets advanced in the second race to 90% around the track while the pre-ordained loser of the first race is again held back. Inevitable and inexorable conclusion/result: dynamic inequality where inequality begets inexorably only more inequality. As the above applies to Indians within the Canadian and U.S. systems/contexts, so the same applies to Canadian workers and farmers within the contexts of globalization and structures like NAFTA. you will not have the non-property incomes (wages and salaries and single-proprietor income draws) of the poor countries RAISED to the levels of Canada and the U.S. rather, you will find inexorably--from the inner and defining "logic"--and derivative dynamics and trajectories--of capitalism, the non-property incomes of Canadian and U.S. workers driven DOWN to those of the poor countries. This is especially true with the globalization and more rapid response/mobility capabilities of capital, information, labor, and space combined with increasing pressures on working-class families to take anything or starve combined with declining unionization and union influence combined with increasingly reactionary capitalist States bought and paid for by migratory capital. All of the above-mentioned--and more--are dimensions of the NAFTA and the like problem and suggest that once-privileged workers in Canada are experiencing what Indians have always known: the system and its "formal" freedoms, opportunities, goodies etc are a sham or at best very transitory offerings to be taken at will according to the dictates and profit/accumulative imperatives of transnational capital. More and more workers, farmers and intellectuals are realizing and decoding some of the shams/scams of the system and the possibilities for natural alliances (on principled bases not merely on the basis of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend") are possible if developed, articulated and popularized properly. This is what such a conference could do. Rather than take on somne of the more reactionary Canadian nationalists, start with their own rhetoric and logic. As they scream about loss of Canadian "Sovereignty" through NAFTA (what Ross Perot called "that giant sucking sound" ) amd U.S. workers the same (all the big unions are against NAFTA) this portends some natural alliances because NAFTA does to the possibility of Canadian "Sovereignty" the same as it does to Indian sovereignty. Rather than debating about the ugly aspects of Canadian " Sovereignty" or the extent to which Indian "Sovereignty" might threaten the Canadian structures and forms of "Sovereignty", leave that debate on the margins and form common alliances on the basis that NAFTA and the like is simply a threat to the freedoms, jobs, incomes and yes sovereignty of all who are non-propertied Indian and non-Indian. We Indians are like the proverbial "Canary in the Mine" Today it's us, tomorrow the non-Indians; they are getting a taste of what we have always got from the time the first whites came. Rather than turning it into "fuck you non-Indians, now you get it for a change", turn it into we, the non-propertied and disenfranchised, Indian and non-Indian have no vested interest in something like NAFTA. Whatever basis your opposition, join in and learn about/oppose the interactive and interrelated dimensions/scams/false promises of NAFTA. Set up the conference with input from U.S. and Canadian Unions, Indian Nations, Small Entrepreneurs, yes even some crude populist nationalist types--the more the merrier. Jim James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consid
[PEN-L:32] (Fwd) Leonard needs our help
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:21:48 -0700 Subject: Leonard needs our help From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur J Miller) PLEASE POST WIDELY NORTHWEST LEONARD PELTIER SUPPORT NETWORK P.O. Box 5464 Tacoma, WA 98415-0464 USA E-Mail; [EMAIL PROTECTED] LEONARD PELTIER STILL IS NOT RECEIVING THE MEDICAL TREATMENT HE NEEDS--URGENT APPEAL--PLEASE HELP! SEPTEMBER 7TH NWLPSN STATEMENT American Indian Movement prisoner Leonard Peltier is being made to suffer the full impact of the U.S. government's historical genocidal policies against the indigenous people of the land now called America. Even though the U.S. government has stated many times that they don't know who committed the act that Leonard is in prison for, even though Leonard's defense has disproved the government's case against Leonard, Leonard remains in prison as an example of what the U.S. government will do to those that stand-up for the people against the interests of the transnational corporations and the policies of the U.S. government. Because Leonard's voice has been strong for over 22 years from inside the U.S. dungeons, the U.S. government is trying to break Leonard by using torture on him. LEONARD PELTIER IS BEING TORTURED! Torture is the act of allowing or causing excruciating pain for the purpose of punishment. Leonard has a medical problem with his jaw. Because of the malicious medical treatment at the Springfield Federal Medical Center, which came close to killing him, the condition of his jaw is much worse. The prison will not allow any outside doctor to examine Leonard, which is a right that other prisoners have, but Leonard is denied. The Mayo Clinic, which has done medical work on federal prisoners before has agreed to treat Leonard. Leonard is in excruciating continuous pain. He cannot even chew his food. Still the federal prison refuses to allow Leonard to get the treatment he needs. This is nothing short of blatant outright torture! We ask that all members of the NWLPSN, all supporters of Leonard and all those who believe in justice and oppose the use of torture to please, right now, e-mail messages asking that Leonard be allowed to be treated by the Mayo Clinic. Send messages to: Kathleen Hawk, Director, Bureau of Prisons, "attention indicator" via: [EMAIL PROTECTED] U.S. Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell at:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In your message, please not only bring up Leonard's medical condition, but also, that the prison's refusal of medical treatment should be a part of the Congressional hearings on Pine Ridge and the case of Leonard Peltier. Also please ask him when these hearings will take place. President Clinton at; [EMAIL PROTECTED] The e-mail campaign to end the torture of Leonard Peltier started last July. At that time people around the world sent e-mail messages. So many were sent that the Bureau Of Prisons contacted the NWLPSN with a message that they wanted us to send out our e-mail list in the hope that it would end the e-mail campaign. The NWLPSN will not send out the BOP's lies, nor will we call off this campaign until Leonard receives the medical treatment he needs. The torture of Leonard will continue until there is enough of a public out cry that demands that it end. Please take the time to send the needed e-mails and please pass along this information to other people, organizations, e-mail lists and web sites. Thank you for your time. In Solidarity Arthur J. Miller NWLPSN - End forwarded message -- James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:19] (Fwd) Indigenous Peoples Tribunal Indictment (1992)
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Boyle, Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:"'AALS Section on Minority Grps. mailing list'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Indigenous Peoples Tribunal Indictment (1992) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:00:45 -0500 > INDICTMENT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF > THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA > FOR THE COMMISSION OF INTERNATIONAL CRIMES > AND > PETITION FOR ORDERS MANDATING ITS PROSCRIPTION > AND DISSOLUTION AS AN INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY > AND A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION > > > Introduction > > All citizens of the World Community have both the right and the > duty under public international law to sit in judgment over a gross > and consistent pattern of violations of the most fundamental norms of > international criminal law committed by any member state of that same > World Community. Such is the case for the International Tribunal of > Indigenous Peoples and Oppressed Nationalities in the United States of > America that convenes in San Francisco during the weekend of October > 1-4, 1992. Its weighty but important task is to examine the long > history of international criminal activity that has been perpetrated > by the Federal Government of the United States of America against the > Indigenous Peoples and Peoples of Color living in North America since > it was founded in 1787. > > Toward that end, I have the honor to present to the Members of > this Tribunal the following charges against the Federal Government of > the United States of America under international criminal law. In > light of the gravity, severity, and longstanding nature of these > international crimes and also in light of the fact that the Federal > Government of the United States of America appears to be irrevocably > committed to continuing down this path of lawlessness and criminality > against Indigenous Peoples and Peoples of Color living in North > America and elsewhere, I hereby petition the Members of this Tribunal > to issue an Order proscribing the Federal Government of the United > States of America as an International Criminal Conspiracy and a > Criminal Organization under the Nuremberg Charter, Judgment, and > Principles as well as the other sources of public international law > specified below. For that reason, I also request that the Members of > this Tribunal issue an Order dissolving the Federal Government of the > United States of America as a legal and political entity. Finally, I > ask this Tribunal to declare that international legal sovereignty over > the Territories principally inhabited by the Native American Peoples, > the New Afrikan People, the Mexicano People, and the People of Puerto > Rico resides in the hands of these respective Peoples Themselves. > > In this regard, I should point out that the final Decision of > this Tribunal will qualify as a "judicial decision" within the meaning > of article 38(1)(d) of the Statute of the International Court of > Justice and will therefore constitute a "subsidiary means for the > determination of rules of law" for international law and practice. > The Statute of the International Court of Justice is "an integral > part" of the United Nations Charter under article 92 thereof. Thus, > this Tribunal's Decision can be relied upon by some future > International Criminal Court or Tribunal, as well as by any People or > State of the World Community that desires to initiate criminal > proceedings against named individuals for the commission of the > following international crimes. The Decision of this Tribunal shall > serve as adequate notice to the appropriate officials in the United > States Federal Government that they bear personal criminal > responsibility under international law and the domestic legal systems > of all Peoples and States in the World Community for designing and > implementing these illegal, criminal and reprehensible policies and > practices against Indigenous Peoples and Peoples of Color living in > North America. Hereinafter, the Federal Government of the United > States of America will be referred to as the "Defendant." > > BILL OF PARTICULARS AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT > OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA > > The Native American Peoples > > 1. The Defendant has perpetrated innumerable Crimes Against > Peace, Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes against Native American > Peoples as recognized by the Nuremberg Charter, Judgment, and > Principles. > > 2. The Defendant has perpetrated the International Crime of > Genocide against Native American Peoples as recognized by the 1948 > Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. > > 3. The Defendant has perpetrated the International Crime of > Apartheid against Native American Peoples as recognized by the 1973 > International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the > Crime of Apartheid. > > 4. The Defendant has perpetra
[PEN-L:17] (Fwd) Fw: CANADA AND US HOLDING NAFTA FIRST NATIONS SUMMIT IN
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Roland Chrisjohn, Ph. D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fw: CANADA AND US HOLDING NAFTA FIRST NATIONS SUMMIT IN CALGARY Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:14:07 -0400 This was the initial message... -- From: Kahn-Tineta Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CANADA AND US HOLDING NAFTA FIRST NATIONS SUMMIT IN CALGARY Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 11:35 AM MNN Mohawk Nation News. 5 Sept. 98. The Canadian government is putting on the "First Nations NAFTA International Summit & Trade Show" at the Calgary Convention Centre (Marriott Hotel) on October 17 to 19, 1998. Their prime concerns are trade relations, creation of an Indigenous trade group, overcoming possible barriers and opposition, making treaties and laws. What a line-up of promoters! Selling the North American Free Trade Agreement will be representatives of the Canadian Governments Indian Act band councils; premiers of provinces; Jane Stewart, the apologetic Minister of Indian Affairs; even US UN representative Bill Richardson; Phil Fontaine head of the Assembly of First Nations, the main Canadian government financed lobby group; Blaine Favel, the world ambassador on Indigenous issues; Ron Allen of the US National Congress of American Indians. Featured is Simon Reisman who made the NAFTA deal for former Prime Minister Brian Mulroney; Ms. Nina Sibal of the UNESCO; and Kevin Grover, head of the US Bureau of Indian Affairs. The keynote address will be given by the former Mayor of Atlanta Georgia. Luminaries from Foregin Affairs and International Trade will be paneling with some hard core indigenous band council persons such as Chris Shade, Joe Norton, Marvin Mull, Willie Little Child, Deni Leonard and Jessie Fisher. Elijah Harper is billed as "Ambassador at Large". The Canadian government loves him because he promotes his spiritual religious vision that "Aboriginal people do not own the land, in fact, treaties were visions to live and co-exist with each other and to share our land and resources .. The land was created by God to benefit all people". It looks like the Indigenous representatives are about to sign an internal NAFTA trade deal on behalf of the Canadian government. It will look like its between the Indigenous people of Canada, the United States, Mexico, Central and South American countries. Actually it is between Canada and Mexico and Brazil and Nicaraugua and get the picture? The true traditional Indigenous sovereign nations have, of course, not been consulted on this latest maneuver to sell off their resources to benefit the multinational corporations who are behind this whole thing. Either theyve forgotten or dont care. Last February the traditional Mohawk Nation condemned the human rights violations by Mexico against those Indians who rebelled against NAFTA, murdering 45 men, women and children in Acteal on December 22nd 1997. On March 16th they marched to the Kahnawake band council office and presented Joe Norton with a letter of protest. They were opposing the impending theft of Iroquois cultural symbols by these nation states for worldwide marketing, to be made cheaply in labour camps in Oaxaca, Mexico. As well, Joe Norton and the Canadian government announced at that time the setting up of a trade commission to oversee the use of Iroquois cultural symbols and intellectual property so that those wishing to use their own symbols would have to go through this private commission. Now it looks like this commission will control all Indigenous trade. The question comes up as to what can be done with Indigenous collaborators who work with oppressive states to undermine Indigenous peoples lives, rights and possessions? They are helping Canada and the US find ways to use NAFTA to exploit and sell off more Indigenous resources such as oil, gas, forestry, mining, fishery and agriculture. Rather shouldnt they demand that Canada and the US boycott trade with Mexico over their human rights violations? The Mohawk tried to reach their brothers and sisters, the Mayans, to tell them of their opposition. In fact, real nation-to-nation agreements are possible between true traditional Indigenous governments similar to international contracts which must be honoured. Band councils can only exercise those rights delegated to them by the Canadian government who created them. Sovereignty can only be with the true traditional Indian governments. At a 1977 UN conference, Ross John of the Seneca Nation said, "What do these trade agreements with our nations mean? Is it international trade, nation to nation? Will it be manipulated by large businesses and certain nations? If so, all the dollars will go back to international organizations". Kakwirakeron of the Mohawk Nation asked, "Does the international community and the UN define who a nation is? Or is it only the U.S. and Canada who make the definition s
[PEN-L:16] Hannibal Lecterwy430@victoria.tc.ca
(From "A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas 1492 to the Present" by Ward Churchill, City Lights Books, San Francisco 1997 pp. 93-94) The Specter of Hannibal Lecter "At this juncture, the entire planet is locked, figuratively, in a room with the sociocultural equivalent of Hannibal Lecter. An individual of consummate taste and refinement, imbued with indelible grace and charm, he distracts his victims with the brilliance of his intellect, even while honing his blade. He is thus able to dine alone upon their livers, his feast invariably candlelit, accompanied by lofty music and a fine wine. Over and over the ritual is repeated, always hidden, always denied in order that it may be continued. So perfect is Lecter's pathology that, from the depths of his scorn for the inferiors upon whom he feeds, he advances himself as their sage and therapist, he who is incomparably endowed with the ability to explain their innermost meanings, he professes to be their savior. His success depends upon being embraced and exalted by those upon whom he preys. Ultimately, so long as Lecter is able to retain his mask of omnipotent gentility, he can never be stopped. The spirit of Hennibal Lecter is thus at the core of an expansionist European 'civilization' which has reached out to engulf the planet. In coming to grips with Lecter, it is of no useful purpose to engage in sympathetic biography, to chronicle the nuances of his childhood and catalogue his many and varied achievements, whether real or imagined. The recounting of such information is at best diversionary, allowing him to remain at large just that much longer. More often, it inadvertently serves to perfect his mask, enabling him not only to maintain his enterprise, but to pursue it with ever more arrogance and efficiency. At worst, the biographer is aware of the intrinsic evil lurking beneath the subject's veneer of civility, but--because of morbid fascination and a desire to participate vicariously--deliberately obfuscates the truth in order that his homicidal activities may continue unchecked. The biographer thus reveals not only a willing complicity in the subject's crimes, but a virulent pathology of his or her own. Such is and has always been the relationship of 'responsible scholarship' to expansionist Europe and its derivative societies. The sole legitimate function of information compiled about Lecter is to unmask him and thereby lead to his apprehension. The purpose of apprehension is not to visit retribution upon the psychopath--he is, after all, by definition mentally ill and consequently not in control of his more lethal impulses--but to put an end to his activities. It is even theoretically possible that, once he is disempowered, he can be cured. The point, however, is to understand what he is and what he does well enough to stop him from doing it. This is the role which must be assumed by scholarship vis-a-vis Eurosupremacy, if scholarship is to have any positive and constructive meaning. Scholarship is 'never' neutral or 'objective'; it 'always' works either for the psychopath or against him, to mystify sociocultural reality or to decode it, to make corrective action possible or to prevent it. It may well be that there are better points of departure for intellectual endeavors to capture the real form and meaning of Eurocentrism than the life, times, and legacy of Christopher Columbus. Still, since Eurocentrists the world over have evidently clasped hands in utilizing him as a (perhaps the) signifier of their collective heritage[was Columbus Italian, Spanish, Jewish, Portugese etc?--different claims made], and are doing so with such an apparent sense of collective jubilation, the point has been rendered effectively moot. Those who seek to devote their scholarship to apprehending the psychopath who sits in our parlor thus have no alternative but to use him as a primary vehicle of articulation. In order to do so, we must employ the analytical tools which allow him to be utilized as a medium of explanation, a way to shed light upon phenomena such as the mass psychologies of fascism and racism, a means to shear Eurocentrism of its camouflage, exposing its true contours, revealing the enduring coherence of the dynamics which forged its evolution. Perhaps through such efforts we can begin to genuinely comprehend the seemingly incomprehensible fact that so many groups are queueing up to associate themselves with a man from whose very memory wafts the cloying stench of tyranny and genocide. From there, it may be possible to at last crack the real codes of meaning underlying the sentiments of the Nuremberg rallies, those spectacles on the plazas of Rome during which fealty was pledged to Mussolini, and that amazing red-white-and-blue, tie-a-yellow-ribbon frenzy gripping the U.S. public much more lately. If we can understand, we can appreh
[PEN-L:13] Re: Re: Re: Re: taboo2: of wolves and waves and sour
On 8 Sep 98 at 15:17, William S. Lear wrote: > On Tue, September 8, 1998 at 12:17:22 (-0700) michael perelman writes: > > My read on > >history is that crises open up possibilities, but do not necessarily > >cause people to analyze the objective conditions correctly nor to act > >in their best interest. > > Very true, particularly when means of communication are so thoroughly > biased toward information that obscures "objective conditions". But, > weren't much of the movements of the 60s made possible by higher > living standards, due to WWII? Not to mention all the "tenured > radicals" who got their start from the GI bill... > > >Workers in the U.S. have seen their living standards erode since the > >1970s. So they elect Reagan, Bush and Clinton -- or was it Curley, > >Moe and the other guy. The people got mad, but the right figured out > >how to focus the anger. > > No: business got mad and organized a small segment of society. > People (workers) stayed home in droves. > > >Louis has been vocal all the time about the importance of > >organization. The right has been effective in interpreting the > >problems -- Here in California, they have effectively convinced many > >people that the problem is welfare mothers, Mexican immigrants, > >affirmative action. The left is nowhere to be heard. > > > >We have no organization to articulate an alternative interpretation, > >hence the possibility of a Buchananite solution. > > > >I do not rule out the possibility of a massive wave of outrage leading > >to a left solution. We all would love to see it happen, but the fact > >is that we have not done a good job of laying the groundwork. > > > >I hope that I am wrong. Somebody, please, correct me on this. > > I'd guess that 70% of the population are basically leftists who are > not aware of the fact that they are leftists. I think in many ways > the groundwork is there --- it's the finishing and sewing together > that has not yet occurred. > > > Bill Bill, Personally, I think a large percentage of the population are "populists" on many individual issues with the potential to be taken to "Right-wing" populism or "Left-wing" populism. you have left-wing populists like Jim Hightower who have excellent analyses on many individual issues and they actually share--at one level only--some similarity with some of the Right-wing populists who are also into "Holocaust denial" and antisemitism with which the left-wing populists would be totally at odds. The Republicans--and the Democrats-- have a problem in that their policies and practices are basically geared for the ultra-rich whites and a few token non-whites but in a system based on the illusion of "participatory democracy" they need a mass social base to ratify, or not protest vigorously against and to "vote" for parties that can never serve/represent the interests of those voting for that party. Hence the single issues: abortion, gay bashing, prayer in schools, family values, anti-immigrants, anti-"Big" government, regional chauvinism, national jingoism, anti-feminism etc to divide and rule. split the votes to allow small pluralities to take elections and to tap into/cynically use certain populist interests/prejudices. The nazis and Italian fascists had the same problem hence the Nazis use of "National Socialist German Workers Party" to tap into working-class alliances/allegiances, anti-capitalism, and then after the assumption of State power, the "Socialists" are the first ones in the concentration camps and the SA Brownshirts, full of pseudo-socialist elements are purged. Part of the task of the left in my opinion, is to take the right-wing populist rhetoric of the likes of Pat Buchanan and show who is really being served by it and to link narrow, parochial and local concerns and struggles into larger frameworks showing in concrete terms the connections with other struggles not apparently connected and to show how demogogues are using populist issues to support/maintain a system than can never address those issues--only make them even worse. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1498] NCAA v. ILLINIWAK et al.
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Boyle, Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:"'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: NCAA v. ILLINIWAK et al. Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:35:21 -0500 -- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 4:26 PM To:'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: NCAA v. ILLINIWAK et al. Professor Tony Waldrop Chair, UI Athletic Board and NCAA Certification Review Steering Committee Dear Professor Waldrop: I understand that your Committee will be considering the issue of NCAA recertification. Attached for your information and action is a Complaint I filed against Chief Illiniwak with the NCAA Minorities Opportunities and Interest Committee, dated July 30, 1998. I hereby incorporate this Complaint against Chief Iliniwak by reference, and renew and repeat everything I said in my July 30, 1998 Letter. I hereby request that you bring this Complaint against Chief Illiniwak to the attention of the members of your Committee and that you enter this Complaint formally into the Report of your Committee to the NCAA. For the reasons set forth in my Letter, I also request that your Committee recommend the immediate termination of Chief Illiniwak. I look forward to hearing from you. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, Ill. 61820 Phone: 217-333-7954 Fax: 217-244-1478 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please delete all copies. > -- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Thursday, July 30, 1998 11:49 AM To:* All Faculty and Deans Cc: Subject: NCAA v. ILLINIWAK et al. (Please forward and act.) July 30, 1998 Mr. Charles Whitcomb Chair, NCAA Minorities Opportunities and Interest Committee San Jose State University 1 Washington Square San Jose, California 95192-0060 FAX NO: 408-924-2990 BY FAX AND MAIL Dear Mr. Whitcomb: It has come to my attention that the NCAA Minorities Opportunities and Interest Committee will consider the issue of racial stereotyping and racist mascots in university athletics at their next meeting on August 4, 1998. As you may know, we here at the University of Illinois have our own racist mascot and so-called "honored symbol": Chief Illiniwak, America's premier Little Red Sambo. Attached to this letter is a formal Memorandum of Law I prepared on Chief Illiniwak, entitled Illiniwak: Racial Discrimination, and dated 25 July 1997, that was submitted to the Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois. This Memorandum explains why a racist mascot and symbol such as the University of Illinois' Chief Illiniwak violates the 1965 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, to which the United States Government is a contracting party. I will not bother to repeat any of this analysis here since the Memorandum speaks for itself. However, the analysis found in this Memorandum also applies to any racist mascot or symbol at a publicly-financed educational institution. As an educator, I have repeatedly witnessed the devastating effects that this Little Red Sambo, Chief Illiniwak, has had upon Native American students, faculty and staff here at the University of Illinois. For example, several years ago I had a Native American law student in my course on International Human Rights Law who asserted his opinion in class that Chief Illiniwak was genocidal. My Native American student was then verbally attacked, berated, and abused by his fellow law students. As his teacher, I felt terrible. This one incident alone proved to me that racist mascots and symbols such as Chief Illiniwak are inimical to higher education. The existence of these racist sports mascots and symbols only encourage and perpetuate racism, discrimination, harassment, threats and intimidation against minority students, faculty and staff on campus. This happens all the time here at the University of Illinois because of its Chief Illiniwak. I recommend in the strongest terms possible that the NCAA prohibit all of its member institutions from having Native American sports mascots or symbols effective immediately. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Board of Directors, Amnesty International USA (1988-92) Enclosure From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, July 26, 1997 1:57 PM To:Boyle, Francis Subject: ILLINIWAK: RACIAL DISCRIMINATION! )ILL
[PEN-L:1493] Re: Re: Last Message, How to Confront Holocaust De
Dead On. In the film the Russia House, the central character, Barley Scott Blair, a drunken, cynical, "a-political", publisher of a failing publishing house he inherited, is drunk in this dacha with Russina friends and he is waxing eloquent and says: "If there is to be hope, we must all 'betray' our country. We have to save each other because all vicitms are equal and none is more equal than others. It is everyone's duty to start the avanalche. Nowadays you have to think like a hero just to behave like a merely decent human being." take care, Jim On 3 Sep 98 at 8:31, jf noonan wrote: > On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, James Michael Craven wrote: > > > How to Confront Holocaust Deniers > > > > 3) Do not discuss only the Jewish victims of the Nazi Holocaust > > Unless you're trying to open a Holocaust museum in New York, in which > case you'd better not mention anybody but Jews and certainly not > homosexuals. > > > and/or deny that other Holocausts have occured as a) this will cause > > you to lose credibility; b) feed into Nazi propaganda--past and > > present--that Jews only care about themselves with very narrow > > definitions of "What and Who is a Jew"; > > > -- > > Joseph Noonan > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "[There] is looming up a new and dark power; > the enterprises of the country are aggregating > vast corporate combinations of unexampled capital, > boldly marching, not for economical conquests only, > but for political power. The question will arise > and arise in your day, though perhaps not fully in mine, > which shall rule - wealth or man; which shall lead - > money or intellect; who shall fill public stations - > educated and patriotic freemen, or the feudal serfs of > corporate capital" > > -- Edward G. Ryan, Chief Justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, >in an address to the 1873 graduating class >of the University of Wisconsin Law School > James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1492] Education of our youth
>From the World Book Encyclopedia, circa 1920 "What is a Mexican? Mexico had in 1910 a population of about 15,112,600 people; an accurate census has never been taken because of the superstitious fears of the people. When a census taker appears they conceal from him as many facts as possible, thinking that he may do them harm in some way--at the very least make them pay heavier taxes. The people are for the most part very ignorant; this is not strange when it is considered that out of the whole population only nineteen per cent may be classed as pure whites, while the remaining eighty-one percent are Indians or of mixed Indian and white blood. The typical Mexican, then, is quite sure to have Indian blood in his veins and to have inherited with it most of the superstitions, the customs and the vices which his Indian ancestors possessed four centuries ago, before the Spanish conquest. See subtitle, Government and History. It is somewhat difficult to give the characteristics which distinguish Mexicans, so poorly have the different Indian tribes been assimilated; but for the most part it may be said that, whether Indian or half-breed, they are pleasure-loving, fond of ease, unreliable and totally incapable of understanding the principles of wise and sane living. The wages they earn are all too small, but whatever they can save above the bare necessities of life they almost invariably spend foolishly. Particularly strong is their love for intoxicating liquors, and every festive day serves as an excuse for excessive drinking. Living Conditions. The foreigners, of whom there are about 100,000 in the country before the revolutions which began in 1911, have introduced so far as possible their own modes of life, and the results are notable in the large cities. Here, to some extent, European and American methods have been introduced, and it is frequently possible for the traveler to find a fairly good hotel with electric lights and only a moderate amount of dirt, instead of the indescribable lodging houses of the past. The 'native whites', if so they may be called, are Spaniards; and many of them live in a style which has much of the display if very little of solid comfort. But the mass of people, the Indians and the half-breeds, live in the most squalid poverty. Their little one-story houses of adobe, or sun-dried brick, lack all means of comfort and of sanitation, and the death rate, especially from filth diseases, is very high. Having resisted all progress for centuries, they live to-day on the same food which satisfied their ancestors hundreds of years ago, and for the most part they cook it in the same way. There are 'tortillas', or thin cakes of corn, and 'frijoles', or black beans, cooked with the pungent red peppers of which they are so fond; these are the staple articles of food the year around. Even such variation of diet as the poorest family can hope for in the United States or Canada is unknown to these Mexicans. Indeed, it is scarcely fair to compare the present Indians of Mexico with those that Cortez found there, for the latter were in a more advanced state of civilization. The official language of Mexico is spanish, but the Indian tribes have clung steadfastly to their own languages, which are numerous. Education. The government of the republic has not neglected the question of education, but the task before it is an appalling one. Every state has free primary schools, and each has compulsory education laws, but in the disordered condition of affairs which has prevailed almost without cessation since the founding of the republic these have not been enforced, and illiteracy is till widespread. Among most of the Indian tribes no progress has been made, for it has never been possible to convince them that there could be the slightest value in education; two tribes, hoever, the Mixtecas and Zapotecas, have been more progressive, and some of the foremost men of the nation have come from them. In addition to primary schools, almost 1,000 in number, which are supported in part by the Federal government and in part by the states and municipalities, there are a number of secondary schools, normal schools and professional schools. The United States is proud of the institutions of higher learning which were founded in its very early history, but Mexico had a university in 1553--before the vast region to the north of it had even been explored. For over three centuries, until 1862, this institution carried on work, but in that year it closed its doors. In 1910, however, it was reorganized, and bids fair to exert a strong influence on educational affairs in Mexico. Religion. Mexico has no state Church, but no country with an established religion has people more uniformly of one faith. The Roman CAtholic Church to which most of the people belong, has always had an important place in the history of the country; indeed, missionaries fired wi
[PEN-L:1490] Re: Nizkor-l: Re: Briefly followup to Frances'
On 3 Sep 98 at 12:14, Andrew Mathis wrote: > just what the hell is the matter w/you, anyway? haven't you gotten the > message? your contributions to the nizkor-l list turned out to be > something less than appreciated, if not exactly for the reasons you > fantasize > > why not just call it a day? > > a.m. > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com For the same reason I will never "call it a day" when dealing with deniers of the Holocaust against Jews, I will never "call it a day" when scum like you who misappropriate, desecrate and arrogate a sacred cause through your petty and incompetent attempts to marginalize those doing serious work on the subject and your hidden agenda which you dress up using a sacred cause.. I intend to expose scum like you--doing with work of the Holocaust deniers by your incompetence, lack of serious scholarship and hidden agenda--for the same reasons I go after Holocaust deniers. In the case of Indians, we are not simply dealing with a PAST Holocaust, the Holocaust against American Indians is it going on as we speak and scum like you who dare to speak of only ONE Holocaust or only ONE group of "worthy" victims, (Gypsies?, Gays? Righteous Gentiles?, Freedom Fighters? Slavic Peoples, Communists/Socialists? Disabled People?) are to the serious cause of combatting Holocaust denial what painting-by-numbers is to art. The same way you feel about neo-nazis denying the magnitude and dimensions of the victimization of Jews is exactly how I feel about your kind who cover-up other horrible genocide,--past and presently ongoing-- for your own psychological, personal, political, cognitive dissonance reasons and agenda. Since you say your a Zionist, fine, get your ass over to Israel and defend your beliefs with your body and your pocketbook rather than the easy route of just running your mouth with no serious scholarship to back anything up. But do not, do not, misuse, coopt, mainpulate or proscribe serious discussions on serious topics and attempt to censor me because I will meet your pathetic refusal to deal with substantive facts and logic with facts and logic your kind can never handle. "Warrior" against Holocaust denial my ass. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1477] Re: Briefly followup to Frances' post
On 3 Sep 98 at 10:26, Frances Bolton (PHI) wrote: > > Just wanted to comment on my use of the word "goyim." I was speaking > within the context of the young Jewish wish to create a new Jew. Hope no > one was insulted. > > fb > > > On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Frances Bolton (PHI) wrote: > > > Max, > > > > I'm going to look into this later, but I definitely recall older, > > religious Jews going to the gas chambers and young Zionists going to > > Palestine. At least part of the thing about creating a Jewish state ws > > creating a New Jew. The kibbibutzim were founded on socialist principles, > > and more importantly, Hebrew, rather than Yiddidish, was adopted as the > > official language. Yiddish was the mamaloshen, associated with the shetl > > and the weak Jew who lived at the mercy of the goyim. It's a language, as > > Leo Rosten puts it, of insults and complaints. Hebrew was the language of > > the warrior Jew, the Bible, the sign of Jews chosen-ness. Way more butch. > > For people interested in the sexual politics of Hebrew and Yiddish, check > > out Naomi Seidman's scholarship. Unfortunately, I don't have any titles, > > she told me this stuff. > > > > Frances > > > > On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Max Sawicky wrote: > > > > > > . . . > > > >that there are some references--e.g. certain Zionist leaders > > > >collaborating with Nazis to get young and religious Jews to Palestine and > > > leave older and more secular Jews to the gas chambers . . . >> > > > > > > Although I've read some about nazi-zionist > > > transactions, this is the first I've heard > > > of age/religiousness dimensions. I'd > > > appreciate any references you might be > > > aware of. > > > > > > The age thing is consistent with an interest > > > in nation-building, but the religion aspect > > > seems less so. My understanding is that the > > > zionist movement was founded and largely led > > > by secularists, and mostly opposed before > > > WWII by orthodox Jews. > > > > > > MBS When I wrote to the nizkor list (I use the Nizkor archives all the time) I thought they might be interested to learn how an Indian (Indians know very well about Holocaust denial) is using the materials and lessons, reinforcing not in any way denying the magnitudes of the Nazi Holocaust, for Indian struggles. Instead I got--in essence, not in explicit words-- what are you bringing this stuff about Indians here? This list is about how to fight against Holocaust denial. OK, as someone who is in the same business, fighting against Holocaust denial, this is what I'm doing and how we might link up. Wrong answer, you see because there was only ONE Holocaust and further, even, there was only ONE group of victims worth discussing--Jewish victims. OK, now I got it. So then I figure, OK, only ONE Holocaust and only ONE group of victims worthy of discussion, so let's talk about some of the causes and dimensions of that ONE Holocaust worthy of discussion, so I put out some stuff from Christopher Simpson's "Blowback" about the CIA recruitment and uses of nazi war criminals as intelligence assets, aiding their escape and evasion, certifying in U.S. Courts they weren't nazis and placing/financing them and organizations like the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations (ABN), Association of Captured European Nations (ACEN), the Liberty Lobby etc etc because, for those who know anything about the organizational connections of Holocaust deniers, they know that these organizations were precisely the ones that began the "theoretical" and revisionist historical tracts used by present-day Holocaust deniers and you can't fight against the Holocaust deniers unless you know their histories and organizational connnections. In these pieces I posted were also some lessons about the disastrous consequences associated with unprincipled alliances under the banner of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." but that was too subtle or painful for some of these self-professed, legends-in-their-own-minds fighters against Holocaust denial. I also posted Louis' missive because I thought they should see that you can't fight against Holocaust denial unless you link up--in principled ways--with those having common objectives and here is a serious scholar and definite anti-fascist and fighter against historical revisionism who was driven off their little list and his perceptions--these are valuable lessons for those who have the guts to face them. No doubt the Holocaust deniers are getting more sophisticated, which means that responses to them need to be more sophisticated which means serious scholarship is needed. Deborah Lipstadt, Dorot Chair in Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory has written "Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory" and does an excellent job in refuting the outright deniers (it din't happen, technologically coudn't have happened) as well as the newer forms of denial (yes, but... there were others who suffered, yes
[PEN-L:1467] Re: RE: The full dimensions of the Holocaust
On 3 Sep 98 at 9:49, Max Sawicky wrote: > > . . . > >that there are some references--e.g. certain Zionist leaders > >collaborating with Nazis to get young and religious Jews to Palestine and > leave older and more secular Jews to the gas chambers . . . >> > > Although I've read some about nazi-zionist > transactions, this is the first I've heard > of age/religiousness dimensions. I'd > appreciate any references you might be > aware of. > > The age thing is consistent with an interest > in nation-building, but the religion aspect > seems less so. My understanding is that the > zionist movement was founded and largely led > by secularists, and mostly opposed before > WWII by orthodox Jews. > > MBS Max, The leadership of the Jewish Agency in Hungary, Dr. Rudolf Berger et al cut a deal with Eichmann to get 1350 rich Conservative Jewish families out of Hungary in return for helping identify, round-up and deport 450,000 mostly working-class and secular Jews who were described as "Dry branches on the tree of Judaism." Later, some of the worst war criminals beat the hangman because of members of the leadership testifying for them at the 2nd Nuremberg Trials saying they had actually saved Jews (the 1350 rich Jewish families). This case was dug up by a man named Samuel Goldman, an Israeli printer who publicized the betrayal; he was sued and the case went to the Israeli Supreme Court (Case No. 180) who found for Goldman--he had told the truth. Berger (I'm not fully sure about the name anymore because it was many years ago that I reviewed this case) was assassinated in Tel Aviv the day after the Supreme court decision. I'll look through my files for all of the particulars. Jim James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1437] Nazi link with medical experimentation in Ca
Dear Marco,
Thanks for the note. I hope that you continue serious scholarship on
some of these vital questions. When I was a Tribal Judge at a recent
UN-sponsored Tribunal in Vancouver, B.C. we had some solid evidence
of torture techniques used on Indians that were employed by "religious
elements" with ties to the Nazis during and after World War II. We
also had some evidence of escaped Nazis winding up in Canada,
protected, and winding up working in remote Indian Schools doing
their same old crimes.
If what was suffered by so many is to have any meaning at all, the
serious lessons must be learned and taught not only to refute the
Holocaust deniers, their influence is really not that great, but also
to prevent future Holocausts and to understand others that have
occurred. Those who conduct genocide often use the same methods and
for the same interests.
But you know I have to say this to all of those who wrote Why are you
talking about Indians on a list dedicated to fighting against denial
of THE Holocaust? You are real scum. Because with that contempt and
arrogance you are NO DIFFERENT, than those scum who still deny that
the NAZI Holocaust occurred. In fact, you are worse, because those
who deny that the Nazi Holocaust occurred are simply diseased
organisms and unlike you, they don't wrap themselves up in selective
concern for some parts of humanity but not others, they are basically
inhuman and care nothing about any humans, whereas here we have people
so concerned and so passionate about only their own narrow agenda and
definitions of what is/was THE Holocaust. You feed right into the
ugly propaganda of the Nazis ("Jews never care about you Goyim, you
can't trust them...") It is really sickening.
I'm not speaking about you Marco. Keep up the good work.
No need to write further, I'll leave the list after this message.
Jim
On 2 Sep 98 at 16:25, Marco de Innocentis wrote:
>
> Jim Craven,
>
> Many thanks for the interesting info. I am also very
> interested in the Paperclip project and the escape of
> nazi war criminals in general.
>Paperclip has deep connections with Holocaust
> denial; in fact, it's precisely how I became interested
> in Holocaust denial in the first place. Think of
> Arthur Rudolph or Wernher von Braun, for instance.
> The fact that they were employed by the United States
> for rocket construction after the war, after all the
> crimes they had committed (especially Rudolph) meant
> that these crimes had to be conveniently "forgotten".
>Most people still don't know that von Braun had
> been a member of the nazi party and a major in the SS,
> for example. But von Braun and Rudolph were by no
> means special cases. As you rightly point out, there
> were several nazi scientists and beureaucrats involved
> in medical experiments against concentration camp
> inmates. When people think about nazi medical
> experiments today, they usually think about Mengele
> and Auschwitz. Actually, the most important experiments
> were those carried out using Dachau inmates, such as
> the high-altitude or cold water experiments. It was
> Dr Sigmund Rascher, a member of the SS and a protege
> of Himmler, who first had the idea of using prisoners
> for these kinds of experiments in 1941. Himmler was
> enthusiastic. Rascher died in 1945, but many other
> doctors implicated in these gruesome experiments
> were shipped to the United States after the war under
> projects Paperclip and National Interest. Among them
> Siegrfied Ruff, Hermann Becker-Freyseng, Konrad
> Schaefer and Hubertus Strughold.
>The subject of medical experiments in the United
> States and Canada is perhaps off topic on this list.
> Paperclip however has deep links with holocaust denial.
> A different kind of holocaust denial than the one you
> meet usually, which has less to do with the hatred
> of Jews than with protecting the image of the US,
> although the two can be linked together sometimes.
> For instance when Arthur Rudolph had to leave the
> US because the OSI had started to investigate his
> nazi past, there were some demonstrations protesting
> about this, most of which were backed by Lyndon
> LaRouche and other right-wing groups.
>
>
> Marco de Innocentis
>
>
>
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James Craven
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1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863
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"The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and
property shall never be taken from them without their consent."
(Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789)
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor
and could not have existed had not lab
[PEN-L:1436] Last Message, How to Confront Holocaust Deniers
How to Confront Holocaust Deniers 1) Do not take them on on their own turf; do not go as the "token opposition" to forums packed with their own kind, that are basically put on for publicity and narcissism; 2) Serious research the organizational, political and funding connections between individuals and organizations associated with Holocaust denials; 3) Do not discuss only the Jewish victims of the Nazi Holocaust and/or deny that other Holocausts have occured as a) this will cause you to lose credibility; b) feed into Nazi propaganda--past and present--that Jews only care about themselves with very narrow definitions of "What and Who is a Jew"; 4) Do serious scholarship on various dimensions of the Holocaust and practice high levels of integrity, credibility and intellectual honesty at all times--do not try to cover-up the uncomfortable or that which doesn't fit in with hidden or narrow agenda; 5) Learn some basic logic, critical thinking, research skills, sound versus superficial sources and how to look for patterns, connections, correlations and interrelationships between aspects of the Holocaust; 6) Do not desecrate the victims and lessons of the Holocaust by attempting to use, for political purposes of whatever type, selective data, selective interpretations, selective data sources or contrived syllogisms for hidden agenda; 7) Link up with victims of the Nazi Holocaust from various communities to talk and share common experiences, data, testimonies etc; 8) Show you are truly anti-Holocaust not just the Nazi one as again this undermines credibility and feeds into fascist caricatures and propaganda; 9) Organize boycotts against any organization or supporters of any organization that openly or covertly promotes holocaust denial; 10) Organize increased efforts for widened and more rapid releases of data and information under FOIA and for the U.S. Government and the Governments of all countries involved in promoting or fighting against the holocaust to open their files and locate victims of the Holocaust who may be near death; 11) Do active work particularly among the young so that the old nazis and their supporters can die off without continuing to infect/recruit younger generations; 12) Take on the issues squarely and directly and do not attempt to narrowly define issues to suit one's lack of knowledge, hidden agenda, personal sensibilities or inability to reason effectively; this will only hurt the credibility of the one arguing against Holocaust denial which hurts the cause of opposing Holocaust denial; 13. Bring in spokespersons who actually know something, can actually reason at a high level and hold it together in the heat of battle rather than emotional cheerleaders who seek to feed their own psychological needs and who think that somehow the more forceful, virulent and offensive the language therefore the more forceful their arguments--they'll get chewed up. Just some suggestions. Thanks it has been real. From the tone and level of intellect demonstrated on this list that I have seen so far, I unfortunately fear for the cause of opposition to fascism and Holocaust denial; it is not in good hands from what I have seen and I can only hope there is better lurking. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1434] Re: Nizkor-l: (Fwd) Were Nazis in "Solidarity" With America
On 2 Sep 98 at 23:29, Dene Bebbington wrote: > James Michael Craven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >--- Forwarded Message Follows --- > >From: "James Michael Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Organization: Clark College, Vancouver WA, USA > >To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:18:15 PST8PDT > >Subject: Were Nazis in "Solidarity" With American Indians > >Priority: normal > > > >Louis, > > > >You can publish this on your list if you wish. > > > >I cannot even begin to describe the pain and rage I feel when I see a > >title like "Were Nazis in 'Solidarity' With American Indians?" It > >makes me absolutely sick and represents a new low in slander against > >Indians. > [rest snipped] > > I've just received about a dozen emails from the Nizkor list authored by > James Craven, few (if any) of which appear to have any relevance to > Holocaust denial. Ken, will you be doing anything about this off topic > spamming? > > -- > Dene Fist of all, my understanding was that the subject of this list was to explore the full and documentable dimensions of the Nazi Holocaust to arm those who are dealing with Holocaust deniers and in addition, to provide scholarship on various aspects of the Holocaust that might be of interest to people desiring to explore the FULL dimensions of the Holocaust and what forces produced/supported/collaborated with the Holocaust. This is my understanding. How many on this list have read Christopher Simpson's books? His work was directly instrumental in exposing a whole lot of nazi war criminals hiding in the U.S. and Canada. How many have read Charles Higham's "Trading With the Enemy"? How many know the legal precedents--only now being used--associated with the Trial and charges against Julius Streicher and others at Nuremberg? It seems that some, admitting they haven't read the missives and/or having read them only superficially, instead of dealing with some uncomfortable content and scholarship--uncomfortable for rabid ideologues or fanatics perhaps--just want to censor, under the banner of "this is off topic and I'll narrowly define what the topic is"--what they can't or won't deal with. Well, that's exactly what the Nazis did. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1433] Re: Re: hey asshole
On 2 Sep 98 at 18:30, Louis Proyect wrote: > Jim Craven wrote: > >Poor Louis, > > > >See why he left this nizkor list. I just came on the list hoping to > >get/share some information on the issues with which the Nizkor > >project deals as I have been resarching in this area--among > >others--for 30 years. > > Heh-heh. They just went from the frying-pan into the fire. > > Louis Proyect > (http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html) > Louis, Watch in a minute or so for the next one. This is like dueling with a quadraplegic. Jim James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1432] The full dimensions of the Holocaust
On 2 Sep 98 at 15:33, Andrew Mathis wrote: > hey jerk, > > all find and good, except you posted your friend louis' rant against > this list to the very list he was attacking in the first place. you > accused me of not reading your propaganda. i read it enough to catch > that, eh? > > does that give you any idea why people (well, me, for one) would get > angry? especially when louis did nothing except trash zionism, and many > of us on the list are jews *and* zionists? > > a.m. > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Well Andrew, First of all, I think the point that Louis--very Jewish-- was raising was that Jewishness and Zionism are not one in the same thing although some Zionists would have us believe that. Secondly, if all you read was that, what makes you think my other submissions were simply "propaganda", if, by your own admission, you did not get to reading them? Thirdly, Andrew, are you of the opinion that calling people "asshole" and "jerk" somehow gives force, evidence, reason and weight to your arguments? Do you not understand that it only makes you look empty and devoid of the ability to reason? Fourthly, I am not particularly interested in discussing Zionism, except perhaps to the extent that there are some references--e.g. certain Zionist leaders collaborating with Nazis to get young and religious Jews to Palestine and leave older and more secular Jews to the gas chambers--in the materials that speak to a more balanced and accurate portrayal of the Nazi Holocaust and thus depriving the Holocaust deniers less to work with. Fifthly, Holocaust denial does not come only from anti-Semites; it also comes from those who would cynically use the Nazi Holocaust, and narrow proscribed views of it (e.g. not mentioning Gypsies, Slavs, Homosexuals, Freedom Fighters etc ) for whatever agenda; they also desecrate the memory and lessons of the victims--Jewish and non-Jewish--of the Holocaust. Some feel that to even mention the non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust is necessarily a desecration of the Jewish victims and/or a cynical attempt to "dillute" or "mitigate" the horrors suffered by Jews. This view is very un-Jewish. Some of those non-Jews were murdered (e.g. Father Maximilian Kolbe) hiding or stepping up for Jews. But in any case, separating out and classifiying people, including by degree or worth or victimhood, on the basis of Jewish versus non-Jewish is precisely what the Nazis did and what allowed them to do what they did as it prevented the formation of united fronts that could have dealt with the nazis in their embryo forms, facilitated the easier identification and rounding up of Jews and non-Jews for extermination and, fed right into the nazi propaganda that Jews don't care about anybody but themselves. Use some logic and reasoning Andrew, whatever you are or were "born" religiously, is an automatic "credential" of absolutely nothing. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1429] hey asshole
Poor Louis, See why he left this nizkor list. I just came on the list hoping to get/share some information on the issues with which the Nizkor project deals as I have been resarching in this area--among others--for 30 years. So I shared some of my research notes, particularly dealing with use/collaboration of U.S. Government with known nazi war criminals (on their own wanted lists) as intelligence assets along with some work on connections between Nazis and U.S. businesses throughout the war, and to my surprise, Andrew here, greets me to the list by calling me an "asshole" (a totally necessary part of the human anatomy I might add and an anatomical structure we would all dealy miss were we without one, hence I don't understand its perjorative use) and then asking me "kindly" to stop spamming--sending in more than one submission, or sending in too many and too literate submissions for Andrew to read before sending off his invective calling me an "asshole"? Well, as Sean O' Casey said in "The White Plague"; something like Nothing is so passionate an a vested interest dressed-up [or masquerading] as an intellectual conviction. Jim --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "James Michael Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Clark College, Vancouver WA, USA To:"Andrew Mathis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:52:15 PST8PDT Subject: Nizkor-l: Re: hey asshole Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2 Sep 98 at 14:38, Andrew Mathis wrote: > would you kindly stop spamming the nizkor list? > > a.m. > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com This is not spamming, if you bothered to read the missives, they all deal with subjects covered by the list. I know documented evidence is difficult for the intellectually-impaired, rabid ideologues and other pathetic creatures who can only hurl invective in lieu of counter-evidence, counter-reasoning, but heh, get used to it and perhaps post a counter to that with which you disagree that is based on more than gutter language. Have a nice day. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion* James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1427] Correction
On Louis Proyect's long missive in which I and others were quoted and my background described, I would like to make one correction so that there is no misrepresentation--due in no way to Louis. I am a member of the Blackfoot Confederacy whose Blackfoot blood-quantum has been acknowledged but I am not BIA enrolled. Prior to 1962, an Indian was anyone with Indian blood, self-acknowledged to be an Indian and living as one and acknowledged by his/her Tribal affiliation to be an Indian; all of this applies to me. After 1962, the BIA formally defined an "Indian" as someone with 25% or more Indian blood--this was despite the fact that many Nations and Tribes accepted less than 25% because of their histories--rape, abduction, adoption, inter-marriage etc-- and the BIA put this rule in, in violation of National Sovereignty (imagine if the U.S. government tells the Polish Government who and what is a true "Pole" etc) in order to break the ties between Indians and their lands and cultures and to de-allot/privatize for sale to non-Indians, their lands and to define out of existence, Indians and the "Indian problem." Today, formal enrollment means the final say rests with the BIA, a process to which I will never submit for the same reason that no Jew should be asked to sumit to a process involving nazis being the final authority as to what and who is a "true Jew." Although my Blackfoot "blood-quantum" is far more than 25% and has been so established, I will never submit to any enrollment process in which the BIA or DIA has any influence or say whatsoever. As a member of the Blackfoot Confederacy, I am fighting for full-national sovereignty and full integration of the "Tribes" of the Blackfoot Nation. I will never carry a DIA or BIA card and I proudly carry--and use at all border crossings-- my ID Card as a recognized member of the Blackfoot Confederacy. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1425] The enemy of my enemy...
An old aphorism, usually attributed as being Arabic but actually is said in many languages, goes: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." This is usally employed as a justification for all sorts of unprincipled alliances and Faustian Bargains e.g.: Israel supports the Apartheid Regime of South Africa, riddled with nazis and anti-Semites because that regime is, after all, pro-capitalist and anti-communist, and, in addition, the African National Congress is on record as supporting Palestinian struggles; or, the U.S. Government, at the end of World War II and subsequently, recruits, as "intelligence assets", war criminals wanted on their own lists, sets them up and aids the escape of nazis like Klaus Barbi and Joseph Mengele, places them in high positions in and outside the U.S. and crushes any attempt to bring them to justice, all because they are "anti-communists" and have intelligence/political capabilities that may be useful A particularly interesting case, worthy of exposure and consideration, to illustrate how sick and twisted the logic and effects of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" can get is illustrated with the case of Otto von Bolschwing, who became one of the highest-ranking CIA Contract Employees after World War II, and is illustrated/fully documented in "Blowback: America's Recruitment of Nazis and Its Effects on the Cold War" by Christopher Simpson, Collier Books, N.Y. 1988: "The recruit's name is Baron Otto von Boschwing. Supremely opportunist, von Bolschwing succeeded in traversing the whole evolution of U.S. policy toward Nazi criminals. He had profited during the war from Nazi confiscation of Jewish property, then later from the defeat of Nazi Germany itself. Von Bolschwing enlisted as a CIC informer for the Americans in the spring of 1945, and before two years were out, CIA agents in Vienna, Austria, had recognized his skills and recruited him for special work on some of the most sensitive missions the agency has ever undertaken. Von Bolschwing was deeply involved in intelligence work--and in the persecution of innocent people--for most of his adult life. He had joined the Nazi party at the age of twenty-three, in 1932, and had become an SD (party security service) informer almost immediately. In the years leading up to 1939, von Bolschwing became a leading Nazi intelligence agent in the Middle East, where he worked under cover as an importer in Jerusalem. One of his first brushes with espionage work, according to captured SS records, was a role in creating a covert agreement between the Nazis and Fieval Polkes, a commander of the militant Zionist organization Haganah, whom von Bolschwing had met through business associates in the Middle East. Under the arrangement the Haganah was permitted to run recruiting and training camps for Jewish youth inside GErmany. these young people, as well as certain other Jews driven out of Germany by the Nazis, were encouraged to emigrate to Palestine. Polkes and the Haganah, in return, agreed to provide the SS with intelligence about British affairs in Palestine. Captured German records claim that Polkes believed the increainsgly brutal Nazi persecution of the Jews could be turned to Zionist advantage--at least temporarily--by compelling Jewish immigration to Palestine, and that the Haganah commander's sole source of income, moreover, was secret funds from the SS. It was in the course of these negotiations that the young Baron von Bolschwing gained the trust of Adolf Eichmann, who was at the time, an obscure SS functionary specializing in intelligence on Freemasonry and Jewish affairs for the Nazi party. The acquaintance was more than a casual one, for von Bolschwing went to play a central role in arranging conferences between Eichmann and Polkes in Vienna and Cairo, contacts that established Eichmann as the SS's 'Jewish affairs expert' and laid the foundation for his later career as the architect of the extermination of European Jewry. Perhaps it was inevitable that Eichmann--ever the plodding and careful clerk--would have learned about Jewry and Zionism from someone. But as fate would have it, it was Otto von Bolschwing who became Eichmann's teacher. 'The first time I was occupied with Jewish matters', Eichmann testified under interrogation prior to his 1962 trial for crimes against humanity, 'was when [Nazi agent Theodor von] Mildenstein visited me at my workplace together with von Bolschwing--never before that.' Thereafter 'Herr von Bolschwing would often drop in at our office and talk to us about Palestine', Eichmann recalled. 'He spoke so knowledgeably of the aims and situation of Zionism in Palestine and elsewhere that I gradually became an authority on Zionism...I kept in touch with Herr von Bolschwing...because no one else could give me firsthand information about the country I was most interested in for my work.' Von Bolschwing teamed up with Eichmann in 1936 and 19
[PEN-L:1406] What if...?
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: James Michael Craven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What if...? Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:06:43 -0700 >From "The Circle Game: Shadows and Substance in the Indian REsidential School Experience in Canada" by Roland Chrisjohn and Sherri Young with Michael Maraum. Theytus Books Ltd. Penticton, B.C. 1997 EXECUTIVE SUMMARY What if the Holocaust had never stopped? What if no liberating armies invaded the terriroty stormed over by the draconian State? No compassionate throng broke down the doors to dungeons to free those imprisoned within? No collective outcry of humanity arose as stories on the State's abuses were recounted? And no Court of World Opinion seized the State's leaders and held them in judgment as their misdeeds were chronicled? What if none of this happened? What if, instead, with the passage of time the World came to accept the State's actions as the rightful and lawful policies of a sovereign nation having to deal with creatures that were less than fully human? And, what if, curbing some of the more glaring malignancies of its genocidal excesses, the State increasingly became prominent as both a resource for industrial powers and as an industrial power in its own right? What if the State could depend upon the discretion of other nations, engaged in their own local outrages, to wink at its past, so that the lie told to and accepted by other nations was one the State could tell itself and its 'real' citizens without fear of contradiction? What if the men who conceived, fashioned, implemented, and operated the machinery of destruction grew old and venerable and acclaimed, hailed as 'Fathers' of their country and men of insight and renown? What if the Holocaust had never stopped, so that for the State's victims, there was no vindication, no validation, no justice, but instead the dawning realization that this was how things were going to be? What if those who resisted were crushed, so that others, tired of resisting, simply prayed that the 'next' adjustment to what remained of their ways of life would be the one that, somehow, they would be able to learn to live with? What if some learned to hate who they were, or to deny it out of fear, while others embraced the State's image of them, emulating as far as possible the State's principles and accepting its judgment about their own families, friends and neighbors? And what if others could find no option other than to accept the slow, lingering death the State had mapped out for them, or even to speed themselves along to their State-desired end? What if? Then you would have Canada's [and the U.S. and elsewhere where there are Indigenous Peoples] treatment of the North American Aboriginal population in general, and the Indian REsidential School Experience in particular. And here and now we are going to prove it to you. " transcribed by Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion* James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1404] pt 2 The Circle Game
Part 2 of Excerpts from a Speech by Dr. Roland Chrisjohn on "The Circle Game" given in Edmonton, Alberta (date unknown) "...we must misunderstand Indian Residential School to the extent to which we think that the pathology in the system lies within the survivors of the individual survivors of the Residential School experience. The pathology that you are looking for is not in the pathology of the people who went through the experience, the pathology is in the system of order that gave rise to that Residential School, that saw it in operation, that put it in operation, that thought it was a good thing, that patted itself on the back occasionally saying: 'aren't we doing well by our brown cousins?; we're bringing them freedom and we're bringing them into this particular world; aren't we generous?; and all they are paying for it is all of their land, all of their trees, all of their minerals, all of their water, their freedom, their language, their religions, every aspect of their form of life, that's all their paying.' Now the fact that they didn't make that bargain, that they didn't ask for that, means that well they are kind of stupid you know; they don't recognize just how superior our way is. So even though they are kicking and screaming, we're going to do for them. There's the patriarchy, there's the patronizing aspect of it. The "Therapeutic State" will constantly congratulate itself that it's doing good as it is doing the most horrendous thing. the extent to which we ourselves as First Nations People have continued that task, by not examining those kinds of questions, by accepting that the problem is our own individualized pathology, by running all kinds of workshops where we'll say 'we'll let's get together and we'll hug a lot and this will overcome what happend to us in the Residential School.' Oh, I'm sorry, it is a political problem, it is a legal problem, for the churches and for the Government of Canada, it's also a financial problem, because they've got mighty big bills to pay if the Canadian public begins to realize what what done to human beings in their name. This is one of the reasons you won't find the United Nations' Genocide Charter inside history books, textbooks and in Canadian schools because the Canadians don't want to tell their people what they've been doing in their name. They don't want to see, starkly, in Article Two and Article Three, what their responsibilities were as human beings, and how, the acquiesence to the Residential School, even if they never even heard of an Indian or ever saw an Indian, how they were implicated in the crime as well--by their governments, by their churches. They don't want to hear about that, so we don't put this in the textbooks. We don't put in the textbooks what Canadian responsibilities are in terms of language, religion, education, our educational rights as human beings on this planet. Where they say 'oh, well, we don't have enough money for that. You want to have your own Indian university or you want to have your own Aboriginal research center, we'll, there's just not enough money.' Well, that's a violation of the Common Law of Nations that Canada is signatory to. Their avoiding their responsibilities and they're covering-up by putting over it all the veneer of the "Therapeutic State." And God help us; a lot of us are involved in that "Therapeutic State." We sit down and we do not go into the grounds of what's going on, why is this happening, what are the historical backgrounds for this. One of the wisest things Dr. Szasz has ever said is: 'the libraries are open, go and read, you want to find out about this stuff..' There's nothing here in "The Circle Game" that's esoteric; we didn't have to burrow into the national archives late at night and come out with secret scraps of paper. Everything we've got is public, and open and available. But we've got blinders on, and the blinders are 'oh well Indian people are suffering and we've got to deal with that.' I'll tell you. Give us back all the land, gives back the payment for everything stolen, meet your obligations under the Treaties and I will see how many of us are still sick. Even if we are sick, we have the right as sovereign people to decide what we are going to do about it--not accept Health and Welfare Canada's pronouncement that 'it's twenty sessions with a psychologist and you're out the door, that's it, you're cured.' These are part of our sovereign responsibilities. We do not need research; we need to think clearly about these issues. I come to a conference like this and I hear people saying 'there aren't any practical suggestions. Well, I'm sorry, when Dr. Szasz says that 'you're not fighting facts, you're fighting ideologies', that's what we have to understand. The philosophy that stands behind what was done to us in the Residential School is the philosophy that stands behind the health and welfa
[PEN-L:1398] "The Circle Game" Part I
The following are exercepts from a Speech by Dr. Roland Chrisjohn,
member of the Iroquois Confederacy (Oneida), Healer ("Psychologist")
delivered in Edmonton, Alberta (date unknown)
"Residential schools were one of many attempts at the genocide of
the Aboriginal Peoples inhabiting the area now commonly called
Canada. Initially, the goal of obliterating these peoples was
connected with stealing what they owned (the land, the sky, the
waters, and their lives, and all that these encompassed); and
although this connection persists, present-day acts and policies of
genocide are also connected with the hypocritical, legal and
self-delusion need on the part of the perpetrators to conceal what
they did and what they continue to do. A variety of rationalizations
(social, legal, religious, political and economic) arose to engage
(in one way or another) all segments of Euruocanadian society in the
task of genocide. For example, some were told (and told themselves)
that their actions arose out of a Missionary Imperative to bring the
benefits of the One True Belief to savage pagans; others considered
themselves justified in the land theft by declaring that the
Aboriginal Peoples were not putting the land to 'proper' use; and so
on. The creation of the Indian REsidential Schools followed a
time-tested method of obliterating indigenous cultures, and the
psycosocial consequences these schools would have on Aboriginal
Peoples were well understood at the time of their formation.
Present-day symptomology found in Aboriginal Peoples and societies
does not constitute a distinct psychological condition, but is the
well-known and long-studied response of human beings living under
conditions of severe and prolonged oppression. Although there is no
doubt that individuals who attended Residential Schools suffered, and
continue to suffer, from the effects of their experiences, the tactic
of pathologizing these individuals, studying their condition, and
offering 'therapy' to them and their communities must be seen as
another rhetorical maneuver designed to obscure (to the world at
large, to Aboriginal Peoples, and to the Canadians themselves) the
moral and financial accountability of Eurocanadian society in a
continuing record of Crimes Against Humanity.
I'm not denying that people in the Residential Schools--some of
them-- are having troubles today. But I don't want to talk about the
pathology, the alcohol and drug abuse, and the suicide of people who went
to Residential School when that takes us away from talking about the
real issues, and that is, what are the political, the economic and
the legal ramifications of what occurred to First Nations People in
these schools. We keep talking about how sick we are but we never
ask: how sick were these people who created these things? Why is the
sickness on our side? Why is it we have to prove how sick we are in
order to get something done about these kinds of things?
I was in a room, early on in the Royal Commission work [Royal
Commission on Aboriginal Peoples], and everybody was telling me oh,
well, all this great work you are going to do, that is going to talk about the
healing and the therapy that is necessary with Residential Schools.
And I'm looking around, there's a former Supreme court Justice,
there's a lawyer, there's another judge over here, there's another
person with legal training who has written law books or whatever,
they're sitting around telling me all of this and I said "it sounds
like I'm in a room with damn psychologists." In a room full of judges
and lawyers does nobody recognize that crimes have been committed
here? And why aren't we talking about crimes? No, no that's not even
a fit topic for conversation. What we have to talk about is how sick
the damn Indians are; and well we are going to take care of them.
Right. Let's see how that game works; how the "Therapeutic State"
works here. Well the Indians are sick, so do we do? We're going to
take some money, we're going to give to largely, white, anglo-saxon
protestant Eurocanadian therapists, and they're going to visit with
these people for 20 fifty-minute hours, after which time they're
going to be cured. So isn't interesting that we're going to transfer
white people's money from one pocket to another pocket and we're
going to call this 'money spent on Indian People.'
The same game is being played in the education system. Where what we
do, is if weve got a child with some difficulty with education, we
send them to a psychologist, and in the Province of Alberta, that
psychological assessment costs $4,500. That's $4,500 that goes from
the Federal Government to the pocket of a white, anglo-saxon,
protestant psycholgist who writes a report and says 'kid is not
learning very much.' Oh, well thank you for clearing that up. That's
$4,500 that is counted as 'money spent on Indian Education', but it's
money that we merely get to authorize th
[PEN-L:1371] Canada's Secret Indian Archives
LAWYER CONVINCED OF SECRECY Alberni Valley News, August 25, 1998 [S.I.S.I.S. note: The following mainstream news article may contain biased or distorted information and may be missing pertinent facts and/or context. It is provided for reference only.] NANAIMO - The federal government has secret archives relating to the Alberni Indian Residential School, Peter Grant, lead lawyer for 31 former students suing the government and the United Church of Canada, told B.C. Supreme Court Monday. In the midst of lawyers wrangling over the scheduling of witnesses late Monday afternoon, Mr. Grant told Mr. Justice Donald Brenner that he recently discovered that the federal government has "secret archives that exist that have not been disclosed. These are not in the National Archives." Mitchell Taylor, lead lawyer for the federal government, said there are no secret archives. He told Mr. Justice Brenner that Mr. Grant's allegation was a "surprising, shocking, outrageous comment to just pop up like that in court." In an interview, Mr. Grant said he recently learned of the existence of the secret archives and he is convinced they exist. He said "Canada," meaning Mr. Mitchell's team, is also aware of the archives, and "I intend to make demands for these from Canada." :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: More information on Canada's genocidal residential schools: http://kafka.uvic.ca/~vipirg/SISIS/resschool/main.html In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: S.I.S.I.S. Settlers In Support of Indigenous Sovereignty P.O. Box 8673, Victoria, "B.C." "Canada" V8X 3S2 EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://kafka.uvic.ca/~vipirg/SISIS/SISmain.html SOVERNET-L is a news-only listserv concerned with indigenous sovereigntist struggles around the world. To subscribe, send "subscribe sovernet-l" in the body of an email message to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For more information on sovernet-l, contact S.I.S.I.S. :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1370] "Inferior People"
The following essay "Inferior People" was taken from "America Besieged" by Michael Parenti, City Lights Books, San Francisco, 1998 "Inferior People" For centuries, colonialists have justified their mistreatment of other peoples by portraying them as lacking ethical, cultural and political development. If there is turmoil in some part of the Third World, then the trouble supposedly rests with the people themselves and not with anything the intruders are doing to them. In 1973, when the CIA-engineered coup in chile overthrew Salvador Allende and led to the bloody repression of the Pinochet regime, 'blaming the people' became the media's favorite explanation. CBS commentator Eric Severeid announced that the Chilean people brought it on themselves, another Latin American example of 'an instability so chronic that the root causes have to lie in the nature and culture of the people.' By way of explaining why Chileans would support Allende and the Popular Unity government, Bernard Collier wrote in the 'New York times', 'The Chileans do not believe in facts, numbers or statistics with the earnest faith of an English speaking people.' While talking to a correspondent who had just reported on the rebellion in Tigre, NBC's Tom Brokaw could only think of asking, 'You're in London now, which is one of the most sophisticated and civilized cities in the world. Do you have much culture shock after being in that part of Africa?' During the Cold War years, the Russians were a prime target of stereotype pronouncements. They were described by one U.S> correspondent as 'unsmiling', 'rude', and 'unable to look you in the eye.' A former 'Washington Post' reporter, appearing on ABC's '20/20' program declared that 'the Russians have a great urge for order. It is part of their personality.' To which host Barbara Walters responded that the Russian people lacked 'a sense of responsibility because they are told what to do and when to do it.' In 1991, at a time of dramatic transition within the Soviet Union, the 'New York Times' noted that Russian free-market advocates 'faced the mammoth task of civilizing their country.' The Arabs are another people who are treated to a superabundance of negative stereotypes. A CBS correspondent ended his report on the Middle East by saying, 'But of course, sound argument has not always dictated Arab behavior.' 'New York times' columnist Flora Lewis saw 'the Islamic mind' as unable to employ 'step-by-step thinking'. Had such an assertion been applied to 'the Christian mind' or 'the Hebrew mind', the 'Times' likely would have rejected it as nonsensical and bigoted, and rightly so. The 1990-91 Gulf War waged by the United States against Iraq brought a wave of anti-Arab stereotypes.(Iraq was an Arab nation but so were six of the nations allied with Washington.) 'Newsday referred to 'the treacherous standards of Arab politics.' Judith Miller in the 'New York Times' claimed that the Gulf Cooperation Council, 'in typical Arab style' made a 'veiled reference' to the presence of U.S. forces in the Gulf. Miller would never describe an Israeli leader as making a veiled reference in 'typical Jewish style'. Nor would that be a proper or correct usage. 'US News and World Report' quoted 'Middle East specialist' Judith Kipper on the devious nature of the 'Arab mind': 'We go in a straight line; they zig-zag. They say one thing in the morning, another thing at night and really mean a third thing.' 'New Republic editor Martin Perez warned us, 'Nonviolence is foreign to the political culture of Arabs generally and of the Palestinians particularly.' 'New York Times' columnist A.M. Rosenthal listen Iranians as Arabs, leaving his readers to remind themselves that Iranians are in fact Persians. That they all live in the Middle East is no reason to lump Arabs and Persians together, no more than we would think of the French as being German because they both live in Europe. One of the media's favorite Middle East 'experts' Fouad Ajami (praised by columnist William Safire 'for the amazing way he reads the Arab mind') described Iraq as 'a brittle land...with little claim to culture and books and grand ideas.' In fact, Iraq was the cradle of a long and fertile civilization. And before it was destroyed by American bombs, Baghdad was a major center of literature, art, and architecture. NPR's Susan Stamberg interviewing two Arab intellectuals, asked them to comment on an association in her mind: 'Arabs and death.' They patiently explained that like everyone else, Arabs preferred life over death for themselves and their loved ones. Then she gave them another association: 'Arabs and violence'. Stamberg resides in the United States, a country with one of the highest violent crime rates in the world, a country that spends $275 billion yearly on the military and supports violent repression throughout much of the Third World, an
[PEN-L:1365] Nizkor Project
A la Louis' endorsement of the Nizkor Project, I would also endorse all to visit and read there. Among many things one will find the Red and Blue Book series of Nuremburg Trial documents and transcripts well worth reading. I use this source continually with reference to work I do on the question of Genocide against Indians and the parallels with the most well-known of the Holocausts--by the Nazis. The Opening arguments of Justice Jackson are well worth reading as well as the transcipts of the examinations/cross-examinations of those being tried at Nuremburg. The case of Julius Streicher is particularly noteworthy and I must admit, that when I am depressed or just frustrated with teaching or whatever, I go home and put on an old U.S. Army Signal Corps Film I have on tape showing the actual hangings of those sentenced to death at Nuremburg--it just gives me a real lift, much better than Prozac could ever do. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1364] Re: Re: Krugman Column
On 31 Aug 98 at 15:26, michael perelman wrote: > Can anybody read the Krugman column or is the troll up to one of his tricks? > -- > Michael Perelman > Economics Department > California State University > Chico, CA 95929 > > Tel. 916-898-5321 > E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I can't read it and I am sure it is some kind of capitalist/imperialist conspiracy because of Krugman's impeccable credentials as an anti-imperialist, hard-core Red, snake in the pocket of the ruling classes and also because of Krugman's known humility, dynamic personality and ability to win friends and influence hearts and minds everywhere he goes. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1363] Re: Nazis
On 31 Aug 98 at 17:38, Louis Proyect wrote: > Apropos of Barkley Rosser's comments on Russian Swastikas and Jim Craven's > (on PEN-L only) citation from "Trading With The Enemy: An Expose of the > Nazi-American Money Plot 1933-1949," by Charles Higham, I should mention > that I have been in a month-long battle with a "leftist" holocaust denial > on the alt.politics.socialism.trotsky newsgroup. Although I have been > acquitting myself decently there, I was pleased when people from the Nizkor > site showed up to join the battle. This is the reaction of the holocaust > denier to their arrival: > --- > Not even the tiniest doubt is permitted in a newsgroup generally hostile to > the notion of debate of the gas chamber controversy, although usually > critical of Zionism. So along come the thought police to recycle their > rebuttals of revisionist claims. I defend their right to do so. Who funds > the Nizkor site to search the WWW day in day out for any crumbs of dissent > that seeps into into the public domain? > > For those unconvinced of the irrefutable veracity of the Nizkor site, > please access: > > http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/ > > Regards > > Neil > > > Louis Proyect > (http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html) > Louis, For your lists also. a "leftist" holocaust denier is an oxymoron; there is simply no such thing. No true leftist could ever deny that the Holocaust against Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Slavic Peoples and others in Conquered Territories, POWs etc occurred. There are some populaists who appear anti-capitalist and nominally appear "leftist"--as did the Brownshits or S.A. of the Nazis--who are anti-Semites, holocaust deniers etc. They are "leftists" only on the most superficial levels. There are some leftists, and I am one of them, who believe that "The Holocaust" has been cynically and abusively used/misused to promote Zionism or to deflect any criticisms of Israel, but they would also argue, as do I, that for example speaking only of the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, is a desecration of the Jewish as well as non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust (after-all, so many Jews were slaughtered because of articifial and deadly divisions between Jews and non-Jews--and their natural allies--who could have formed effective united fronts against fascism had both Jews and non-Jews not allowed historical divisions and forms of mistrust to be used and manipulated) employed for cynical and manipulative purposes. There are some leftists who also argue, as do I, that Zionism is to real Judaism what the Crusades were to real Christianity or what the Taliband or House of Saud are to real Islam. But no true "leftist" can ever promote racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, national chauvinism, Holocaust denials, Zionism, ultra-sectarian/bigoted Christianity or some other religion, imperialism, fascism etc etc. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 -- "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could not have existed had not labor first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion*
[PEN-L:1350] Capital and "Patriotism"
The following is exerpted from "Trading With The Enemy: An Expose of the Nazi-American Money Plot 1933-1949, by Charles Higham, Dell Books, N.Y. 1983 "What would have happened if millions of American an British people, struggling with coupons and lines at the gas stations, had learned that in 1942 Standard Oil of New Jersey managers shipped the enemy's fuel through neutral Switzerland and that the enemy was shipping Allied fuel? Suppose the public had discovered that the Chase Bank in Nazi-occupied Paris after Pearl Harbor was doing millions of dollars worth of business with the enemy with the full knowledge of the head office in Manhattan? Or that Ford trucks were being built for the German occupation troops in France with authorization from Dearborn, Michigan? Or that Colonel Sosthenes Behn, the head of the international American telephone conglomerate ITT, flew from New York to Madrid to Berne during the war to help improve Hitler's communications systems and improve the robot bombs that devastated London? Or that ITT built the Focke-Wulfs that dropped bombs on British and American troops? Or that crucial ball bearings were shipped to Nazi-associated customers in Latin America with the collusion of the vice-chairman of the U.S. War Production Board in partnership with Goering's cousin in Philadelphia when American forces were desperately short of them? Or that such arrangements were known about in Washington and either sanctioned or deliberately ignored? For the government did sanction such dubious transactions--both before and after Pearl Harbor. A presidential edict, issued six days after December 7, 1941, actually set up the legislation whereby licensing arrangements for trading with the enemy could be granted. Often during the years after Pearl Harbor the government permitted such trading. For example, ITT was allowed to continue its relations with the Axis and Japan until 1945, even though that conglomerate was regarded as an official instrument of United States intelligence. No attempt was made to prevent ford from retaining its interests for the Germans in Occupied France, nor were the Chase Bank or the Morgan Bank expressly forbidden to keep open their branches in Occupied Paris. It is indicated that the Reichsbank and Nazi Ministry of Economics made promises to certain U.S. corporate leaders that their properties would not be injured after the Fuhrer was victorious. Thus, the bosses of the multinations as we know them today had a six-spot on every side of the dice cube. Whichever side won the war, the powers that really ran nations would not be adversely affected." And it is important to consider the size of American investments in Nazi Germany at the time of Pearl Harbor. These amounted to an estimated total of $475 million. Standard Oil of New Jersey had $1230 million invested there; General Motors had $35 million; ITT had $30 million; and Ford had $17.5 million. Though it would have been more patriotic to have allowed Nazi Germany to confiscate these companies for the duration--to nationalize them or to absorb them into Hermann Goering's industrial empire--it was clearly more practical to insure them protection from seizure by allowing them to remain in special holding companies, the money accumulating until war's end. It is interesting that whereas there is no evidence of any serious attempt by Roosevelt to impeach the guilty in the United States, there is evidence that Hitler strove to punish certain German Fraternity associates on the grounds of treason to the Nazi state. Indeed, in the case of ITT, perhaps the most flagrant in its outright dealings with the enemy, Hitler and his postmaster general, the venerable Wilhelm Ohnesorge, strove to impound the German end of the business. But even they were powerless in such a situation: the Gestapo leader of counterintelligence, Walter Schellenberg, was a prominent director and shareholder of ITT by arrangement with New York--and even Hitler dared not cross the Gestapo." (pp 14-15) GENERAL LICENSE UNDER SECTION 3(a) OF THE TRADING WITH THE ENEMY ACT By virtue of an persuant to the authority vested in me by sections 3 and 5 of The Trading with the Enemy Act as amended, and by virtue of all other authority invested in me, I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, do prescribe the following: A general license is hereby granted, licensing any transaction or act proscribed by section 3(a) of The Trading with the Enemy Act, as amended, provided, however, that such transaction or act is authorized by the Secretary of the Treasury by means of regulations, rulings, instructions, licenses or otherwise, persuant to the Executive Order No. 8389, as amended.
