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2000-09-13 Thread Max Sawicky
yes. Eileen publishes a ton in journals. Peter was offered (and took) a position at Michigan State (I think) when he wasn't even on the academic market. Of course, it was in an IR department. Not "econ." mbs Does that work win the respect of "real" economists? I beg your pardon but our

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2000-09-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Where did she make the claim? I don't know of any specific examples, but few economists of his time had such experience. This calumny is not novel. The earliest instance is Mitrany, David. Marx against the peasant: a study in social dogmatism. P.S.: Dierdre McCloskey was claiming this

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2000-09-11 Thread Eric Nilsson
RE They are difficult, although there is some nice stuff in them. Hard as it is, there is some pretty language in the cahpter on commodity fetishism. -- and -- The first few chapters of _Capital_. They *are* turgid and nearly unreadable, in the standard English

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2000-09-11 Thread Max Sawicky
I beg your pardon but our industrial relations people -- Eileen Appelbaum and Peter Berg -- have visited many factories, interviewing workers and collecting data, for their research on workplace organization. mbs Modern sociologists (like Michael Burawoy) visit factories. Economists don't do

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2000-09-11 Thread michael
There are numerous stories about groups of workers saving up money together so that they could share a copy. The cigar makers used to have Capital read to them when they worked. In many case, I am sure that the workers understood it better than their more educated superiors. -- Michael

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2000-09-11 Thread michael
Does that work win the respect of "real" economists? I beg your pardon but our industrial relations people -- Eileen Appelbaum and Peter Berg -- have visited many factories, interviewing workers and collecting data, for their research on workplace organization. mbs Modern

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2000-09-11 Thread Jim Devine
aah, but you don't understand. In the eyes of the Profession, those are mere sociologists. And as the one of the key Party Ideologists, Paul Krugman, has noted, they work for an organization filled with nothing but hacks. At 01:32 PM 9/11/00 -0400, you wrote: I beg your pardon but our

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2000-09-11 Thread Peter Dorman
It would be interesting to get validation that Marx never had first-hand experience with farms or factories. I don't like his writings on agriculture particularly, but Marx' work on the reorganization of production during the industrial revolution is truly top-notch -- some of the finest

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2000-09-11 Thread Brad DeLong
Brad DeLong wrote: I'm amazed that the literary qualities of even chap. 1 of Capital are being called into question. Section 4 is one of Marx's most deservedly famous passages, the analysis of commodity fetishism, which blends political economy, pyschology, philosophy, and cultural analysis