Thank God he won! Still, I have a question. If 70% of the people are poor, how did
the opposition get so many votes?
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Half the British working classes regularly voted for Thatcher. Vast numbers of American workers are rock-solid Republicans. Why do people vote against their own interests? This question is an old topic. Frank's Kansas book is the current best left survey of the question from a US perspective; Mike
, you wrote:
Thank God he won! Still, I have a question. If 70% of the people are
poor, how did
the opposition get so many votes?
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Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
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Robert Naiman
Senior Policy
Thanks for the input! See below.
State supplied utility benefits such as electricity
are in Russia's
national accounts in Ruble terms, so yes they are
included in these
comparisons.
Even with the recent price hikes, my monthly
electricity bill in Moscow (pretty large Stalin-era
apartment,
Chris wrote
As a general question, do these income comparisons
somehow factor in nonmonetary income, state-supplied
benefits or similar perks? E.g., in the country in
which my butt is parked, monetary incomes are
generally relatively low, but most families own their
own apartments and grow
If Kerry keeps shifting right, maybe we will have to vote for Bush as the lesser
evil?
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Economics Department
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Tel. 530-898-5321
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Michael Perelman wrote:
If Kerry keeps shifting right, maybe we will have to vote for Bush as the lesser
evil?
Michael, I realize you are being witty but the differences between Bush
and Kerry are substantial. They range over taxation, stem cell research,
AIDS funding, etc. They also agree
What is the total
amount of "money" in the whole world ?
Charles
The Soviet Union was defeated, as was the Ottoman Empire before it
and Yugoslavia after it -- first economically, later politically
(mainly from inside the the Soviet Union, its multinational elites
acting against its multinational masses) or with a combined
political, economic, and military
In a message dated 7/31/2004 7:33:32 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As I recall DuBois and James Jackson produced the best
articles on the national question (especially as it regarded African Americans)
for PA in the 1950s, all of which broke with the "Black
In a message dated 7/31/2004 4:17:43 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I remember trying to speak with the boyfriend of my first
wife's mother. He worked in a gas station. He was not stupid, but he
was angry. He directed much of this anger at Blacks, but I think he was
--- michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This was the problem that I was referring to when I
was trying to
describe a progression of fragmentations. I first
began to think about
this sort of problem when Lebanon began to fall
apart. At first, it
seemed to be a religious division, but then I
Chris wrote:
Look at the post-Soviet situation in the early 90s. The Union falls
apart, and you immediately start having all these bloody ethnic
conflicts around its former borders: Armenians vs. Azerbaijanis,
Georgians vs. Abkhazians and Ossetians, Romanians vs. Russians,
Ossetians vs. Ingush...
Melvyn's story about his dealings with the red necks at the workplace illustrate the
degree of skill required to navigate the class divide. No easy answers in this
regard.
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at
On the subject of foreign fighters in Chechnya, I
should have added that, if memory serves, both the
Kremlin and the various rebel sources put the number
of foreigners in Chechnya at any given time at about
200. So, it's not a lot (given that there are
supposedly about 1,500 full-time fighters).
I wrote:
On the subject of foreign fighters in Chechnya, I
should have added that, if memory serves, both the
Kremlin and the various rebel sources put the number
of foreigners in Chechnya at any given time at about
200. So, it's not a lot (given that there are
supposedly about 1,500 full-time
--- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Kurds, Kashmiris, Chechens, etc. exercised the
right to
self-determination, would that necessarily result in
the breakup of
Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, India, and Russia?
Presumably, they could
very well choose to remain part of the countries in
--- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The question, I thought, was whether Kurds, Kashmiris,
and Chechens
(as well as East Timorese, Albanians in Kosovo, etc.
from recent
history) have the right to self-determination.
---
Yoshie, upon a little reflection, I think this is a
pretty naive
defines the form of resolution of the national
question and national factor for the Bolsheviks.
The various Indian nations are not nations in the modern Marxists sense of
the word. In my estimate they are advanced national groups whose formation and
gestation spans centuries
This was the problem that I was referring to when I was trying to
describe a progression of fragmentations. I first began to think about
this sort of problem when Lebanon began to fall apart. At first, it
seemed to be a religious division, but then I began to realize that
there were divisions
Ours is a war for position and ideological and political
statements are converted into policy . . . in real time. Who determines "what"
is the great war of attribution and will. If we win over no we lose by default.
We cannot win over any segment of our working class on the
basis of
Melvyn posed posed one of the truly difficult challenges that the left faces:
learning how to learn from the masses at the same time as we supply them with
information. Listening is a very difficult skill. I remember trying to speak with
the boyfriend of my first wife's mother. He worked in a
as the core material.
I would be interested to learn which articles in PA you considered valuable
and those which you found unhelpful on the subject of the national question.
As I recall DuBois and James Jackson produced the best articles on the
national question (especially as it regarded African
At 6:22 AM -0700 7/31/04, Chris Doss wrote:
--- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The question, I thought, was whether Kurds, Kashmiris, and Chechens
(as well as East Timorese, Albanians in Kosovo, etc. from recent
history) have the right to self-determination.
---
Yoshie, upon a little
In a message dated 7/31/2004 7:33:32 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would be interested to learn which articles in PA you
considered valuable and those which you found unhelpful on the subject of the
national question. As I recall DuBois and James Jackson produced
Michael Perelman,
Some posters on this list have expressed their support
for the breakup of Russia, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria
and Turkey. I would like know what is your personal
opinion in this matter.
Ulhas
Yahoo! India
there -- that is the central question.
On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 04:36:05PM +0100, Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
Michael Perelman,
Some posters on this list have expressed their support
for the breakup of Russia, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria
and Turkey. I would like know what is your personal
opinion in this matter
Michael Perelman wrote:
I don't have any simple answers.
Please unsubscribe me from your list.
Ulhas
Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online
Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony
Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
Some posters on this list have expressed their support
for the breakup of Russia, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria
and Turkey.
this is a bit of an unfair characterization, especially if it refers to
my contributions on these threads. i should probably check the archives
first,
will eventually get back to
the particular question posed by Ulhas, but I want to first establish
what I think is a reasonable context in which to answer it and many
similar questions.)
Let's take a particular instance. Many leftists since the criminal u.s.
assault on the people of Iraq have suggested
Michael Perelman,
Some posters on this list have expressed their support for the
breakup of Russia, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. I would like
know what is your personal opinion in this matter.
Ulhas
The question, I thought, was whether Kurds, Kashmiris, and Chechens
(as well as East
What is a good source for the share of HMO dollars that goes to care rather than
profits or
overhead?
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Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Michael Perelman wrote:
What is a good source for the share of HMO dollars that goes to care
rather than profits or overhead?
Just about anything written by Steffie Woolhandler of Physicians for a
National Health Plan (http://www.pnhp.org)
Here's a short one:
I had been looking at my notes on her work, but could not find anything recent.
Thank you very much.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Here is an article from today's Wall Street Journal regarding the
failure of economic growth to eliminate poverty -- relating in part to
the outcome of the Indian election. Actually, the graph accompanying the
article shows a very slight decrease in absolute poverty over the last
decade or so,
To what extent is was good for business it so happens that the last few months were record job crating putting an end to jobless recovery and the outstanding bubles i.e. housing bubbles failed to burst.. consumption resumed and savings adjusted..
now the trade defcit is holding steadywith a low
]
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:20:16 -0700
Subject: [PEN-L] question for the list
Writing about the transfer of wealth to the rich in the US, would it be fair to say,
United States has witnessed in recent decades what is probably largest transfer of
wealth and income in the history of the world
Michael Perelman wrote:
Writing about the transfer of wealth to the rich in the US, would it
be fair to say, United States has witnessed in recent decades what
is probably largest transfer of wealth and income in the history of
the world -- larger than what occurred during the Russian or
Writing about the transfer of wealth to the rich in the US, would it be fair to say,
United States has witnessed in recent decades what is probably largest transfer of
wealth and income in the history of the world -- larger than what occurred during the
Russian or Chinese revolutions.
--
Michael
Does anybody have access to the article where Thatcher is quoted as saying
Economics are (sic) the method, the object is to change the
soul. London Sunday Times, 13 May 81.
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Economics Department
California State University
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Tel. 530-898-5321
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and 'virtualising' the system, substituting networks for much of traditional economic activity, are only twists in an old saga.
Question
What is the name of this book by Mark Jones and it is available? If not are copies of the manuscript available?
In 1965, Senator Richard Russell of Georgia, told the Senate:
Whenever the people go to calling their leader 'Uncle,' you better
watch out. They have a man in whom they have explicit confidence,
you are dealing with a very dangerous enemy.
I recall that just after making this speech, LBJ gave
How is China able to export fruits and nuts? Where do the farmers find the land to
grow such crops? Are they cutting back on the production of grains?
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Hi Michael,
Land tenure is changing. After the rural reforms in the early 80s when the
communes/brigades were disbanded, rural land usufruct rights were given to
households while ownership remained in the hands of the state at the local
level.
Rural land usufruct rights are now increasingly
Anthony asked about overcapacity in automobiles. This article will be useful. It
also illustrates the power of the ratings agencies.
http://www.economist.com/finance/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2515212
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel.
Has anyone looked at Capital Resurgent: Roots of the Neoliberal
Revolution by Girard Duminil and Dominique Levy
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Their names are Grard DUMNIL and Dominique LVY.
I didnt see the book yet. Though, I was with Gerard in several
conferences during last 4 months, including in Istanbul where I
commented on one of their papers, the second in the following list. I
suspect, talking to Gerard and seeing the content
Gérard Duménil and Duminique Lévy -
http://pythie.cepremap.ens.fr/~levy/exindex.htm
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Subject: book question
Has anyone looked at Capital Resurgent: Roots
Dumenil showed me his galley proofs last week; he said its coming out from
MIT press shortly. My sense was that it builds on the foundation laid by
their article on post-war profit rates in the Fall 2002 RRPE (I posted on
this on pen-l in Jan 2003) BUT now sees a major change caused by the role
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Subject: Re: [PEN-L] book question Dumenil/Levy
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:11:22 -0500
Dumenil showed me his galley proofs last week; he said its coming out from
MIT press shortly. My sense was that it builds on the foundation laid by
their article on post-war profit rates in the Fall 2002 RRPE (I
. Is
there a table of contents available? A review?
Joel W.
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Dumenil showed me his galley proofs last week; he said its
Public choice theory suggests that people vote with their pocketbooks.
How would they explain that more educated people have more liberal
voting preferences?
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Economics Department
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michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
fax
On Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 10:26:23 (-0800) michael perelman writes:
Public choice theory suggests that people vote with their pocketbooks.
How would they explain that more educated people have more liberal
voting preferences?
Because people who are more liberal are likely to be more
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Public choice theory suggests that people vote with their pocketbooks.
How would they explain that more educated people
michael perelman wrote:
Public choice theory suggests that people vote with their pocketbooks.
How would they explain that more educated people have more liberal
voting preferences?
Perhaps they would answer by being somewhat skeptical of your claim.
To what degree is it true? I suspect they
Public choice theory suggests that people vote with their pocketbooks.
How would they explain that more educated people have more liberal
voting preferences?
as others have suggested, the word liberal is ambiguous. I would guess that all else
constant, higher-income people are more liberal
Michael asks:
Public choice theory suggests that people vote with their pocketbooks.
How would they explain that more educated people have more liberal
voting preferences?
I hate to rise to the defense of public choice theory. However don't you
find that in Europe (and to some degree Japan)
Hey, thanks.
I have to chuckle when I see the official stats on income in Russia. The Moscow
Mayor's Office says that average Muscovite income is $300 a month. If you factor in
pensioners, that might be true, but most Muscovites wouldn't get out of bed for that
little money. Maybe university
Does anybody know the origin of the claim that
"America is engaged in a love affair with the car"?
Was this originally an industry campaign, or did it
just spring from journalism somewhere? I can't seem to find the
root.
Thanks.
On Tuesday, March 9, 2004 at 10:40:51 (-0800) Michael Dawson writes:
...
Does anybody know the origin of the claim that America is engaged in a =
love affair with the car?
Was this originally an industry campaign, or did it just spring from =
journalism somewhere? I can't seem to find the root.
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:00:23 +0300, Chris Doss wrote:
Does anybody know how per capita income figures are
usually calculated for countries like Russia, which
have a large shadow economy in which workers are paid
under the table and off the books? Thanks.
Not actually as uncommon as you'd
sorry forgot the links!
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_economy/ESA95_Exhaustiveness.pdf
more statistical fun:
Prostitution itself is not illegal within the UK.
However, most of the activities associated with
prostitution (e.g. soliciting) are illegal. Value added
from prostitution
Title: good question
Subject: News from sister Lynne
REPUBLICANISM SHOWN TO BE GENETIC IN ORIGIN
The discovery that affiliation with the Republican Party is
genetically determined was announced by scientists in the current
issue of the journal NURTURE, causing uproar among traditionalists
who
I get the feeling that the international financial system is perhaps the
weakest link in the whole world economy.
That is a very long story, and, apart from requiring further research, in
one mail I can only do a bit of justice to your important economic question.
The question I would ask
contractions are now facing enormous shortages.
Metals, in general, as well as lumber and natural gas are showing signs
of inflation.
I get the feeling that the international financial system is perhaps the
weakest link in the whole world economy.
When I have raised this question in the past, Doug
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I'm still trying to get a handle on the direction of the economy. I see
tremendous overcapacity in many sectors, leading in the direction
I don't know. My guess is that the Cheney/Rove administration -- in conjunction with
their ally, Alan the G, the Fedmeister, who has more power on this question -- want
to delay the next recession as long as possible, so that it will happen (along with
the popping of the housing bubble) after
Surely it'd be possible to correlate Herfindahls Ginis, no? Hasn't
someone done this?
Doug
gini I understand as a coefficient allowing some guess at level of equality.
What is a Hefindahl please?
Thanks,
Hari
Hari Kumar wrote:
gini I understand as a coefficient allowing some guess at level of
equality. What is a Hefindahl please?
Thanks,
Hari
The Herfindahl is the sum of the squared market shares. H = 1 means
monopoly. H = 1/n (for n very large) means a perfectly competitive
market.
Julio
Julio:
Hari Kumar wrote:
gini I understand as a coefficient allowing
some guess at level of equality. What is a
Hefindahl please?
Thanks,
Hari
The Herfindahl is the sum of the squared market
shares.
A kind of garbage, that is. I like the sum of the
cubed market shares better.
As some
How much influence was Japan able to exert over Korea on the basis of its
relatively short control of that country (1910-45)?
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How much did Japanese colonialism influence Korea.
It depends on what you mean. The Japanese occupation basically
undermined any real Korean capitalist development, thus creating a
framework for a strong state to arise. Likewise it forced landowners
into a compromising position so that they had
I got this response to Joanna's question offlist.
This is not investment advice!
Mr. Coyle is correct in his response but I also wanted to expand on two
possible negatives facing fixed income.
1 - Fast approaching over supply of US Debt - 375B deficit last year,
projected 600B current year
Why is it that financial pundits are saying that fixed income funds are
a bad idea going forward? If the current decade 2000-2010 is similar to
the 1970-1980 decade, which it seems to me it kind of is, why wouldn't a
fixed income fund do well?
Joanna
Why is it that financial pundits are saying that fixed income funds are
a bad idea going forward?
irrational exuberance?
Jim
I did not see the origin of this thread. But I assume the pundits
foresee higher interest rates ahead, in which case the value of the
bonds in the funds will drop. Value goes down as interest rates go up.
Gene
joanna bujes wrote:
Why is it that financial pundits are saying that fixed income
What can those with money (US dollars) that they want to shift out of the
country (for real capital spending, for speculative purposes, whatever) do
legally today that they could not do say 45 years ago? I would like
concrete examples.
Michael Yates
Michael Dawson had an interesting figure on the depletion of savings
after World War II. Like Carroll yesterday, the figures seemed to
extreme to be credible. I went to the source that Michael mentioned.
But Kolko gave no references.
Kolko, Gabriel. 1976. Main Currents in Modern American
Not necessarily that extreme; remember that savings is
the difference between two large numbers (income and
expenditure) and so you have to expect volatility.
dd
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:20:30 -0800, michael wrote:
Michael Dawson had an interesting figure on the
depletion of savings
after
But the Kolko figure refers to the stock of savings, and DD is
referring to the flow. You could probably check the savings accounts
figures in Historical Statistics of the U.S. - I'm at the in-laws for
a long weekend so I don't have them at hand.
Doug
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Not necessarily
Joanna Bujes wrote:
What's tougher than that is to be able to stop thinking while remaining
conscious and highly sensitive. (not claiming to have achieved that
myself...)
I once heard a sport psychologist calling this state of mental awareness
being uptime. I would call it being outside -- i.e.,
What's tougher than that is to be able to stop thinking while remaining
conscious and highly sensitive. (not claiming to have achieved that
myself...)
That's true. A lot of Buddhist-type spiritual culture is about that, about
clearing the mind of thoughts that bedevil it. I suppose mental
I don't think the argument is that we need to stop thinking. I think the
argument is that since thought is a form of calculation (the equal, the
more, the less) based entirely upon memory, we should be very aware of
what we apply it to and whether we are applying it appropriately. Using
thought to
Hi Joanna,
You wrote: Using thought to choose a lover or determine how we interact
with our friends or our children is not appropriate.
I couldn't disagree more strongly with you there, that's boring, and I guess
that's why you and I are incompatible, but I suppose it depends what you
mean by
Subject: Re: Question re basics
Hi Joanna,
You wrote: Using thought to choose a lover or determine how we interact
with our friends or our children is not appropriate.
I couldn't disagree more strongly with you there, that's boring, and I
guess
that's why you and I are incompatible, but I
, they provide data on market shares. I don't really know
what your exact question is, so I cannot answer it. As a generalisation, I
could put it this way. Financial capital uses assessments of strength in
order to evaluate exploitability through financial claims. The dynamics of
private capital
be a source of
creativity. The issue you raise is very complex, it's a bit like explaining
how people can travel to the moon - it can be done, but it takes a lot of
time. Ernest Mandel tackled this question (he considered Schumpeter one of
the most important 20th century bourgeois economists) because
Paul, thanks for your comments. My responses below.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Paul wrote:
Fred,
Very glad you could make it - you were missed! I want to think more about
your post but have one small and one larger reflection.
1. I think we can all agree on the big focus of profit rates, as
only partially recovered in recent decades, in
spite of the loss of workers' power and stagnant real wages -
because the
ratio of unproductive to productive labor has continued to increase.
A big question: _why_ does the ratio of unproductive to productive
labor increase over time
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, paul phillips wrote:
Devine, James wrote:
Hi, Fred.
you write:
spite of the loss of workers' power and stagnant real wages -
because the
ratio of unproductive to productive labor has continued to increase.
A big question: _why_ does the ratio
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Mike Ballard wrote:
I'm obviously not an economist.
Just a wondering Wobbly,
Mike, what a great description!
I wish there were more wondering Wobblies!
Comradely, Fred
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Devine, James wrote:
Paul,. your story makes sense (though I'd add a lot). My question is
for Fred, though. The classical Marxian story stresses the role of the
organic composition rising due to some societal or technological
imperative. For Fred, the rise of the ratio
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003, Doug Henwood wrote:
Fred Mosley wrote:
6. I have suggested another explanation of these important trends, one
based on Marx's distinction between productive labor and unproductive
labor - that an important cause of the declines in the share and the rate
of profit was a
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003, Doug Henwood wrote:
Fred B. Moseley wrote:
5. The most popular radical-Marxian explanation of these profit rate
trends has been the reserve army profit squeeze theory - that low
unemployment rates in the late 1960s and early 1970s increased workers
power, and enable
Fred B. Moseley wrote:
You are comparing a cyclical low (1982) with a cyclical high (1997).
And do your estimates include interest?
1997 was four years before the cyclical high, actually. But the 1982
low was in many ways - political as well as economic - a point of
structural reversal. Mexico's
and Szlajfer?
Ralph
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It has to do with the connection between the accumulation of capital
ascribable to the creation of surplus
accumulation.
In other words the question you posed in the above quoted passage becomes the
basis of the political equation being used as the solution.
I take my hat off to the modern progressive and revolutionary economists
charting an abstraction - which is the ultimate unproductive laboring.
Melvin P.
As a first offering
On this question, and indeed the current and recent conditions of US
capital-- the economy or rather, the Economy
1. Certainly there has been a defensiveness regarding Keynes, this
the reflection of capitalism's ability to more than survive, but recover,
recuperate
Hi Ralph,
I think that Marxists have a certain defensiveness about Keynes: we
mustn't
take seriously a bourgeois thinker because it may infect us and we may
turn
out to be revisionists without wanting to be, you know.
Well, I think the nature of the thing is that many people who read Das
Fred B. Moseley wrote:
Hi Doug, you are right that the appropriate unit of analysis is the world
economy, and that surplus-value produced by e.g. Chinese workers is
appropriated by US capitalists. But since this surplus-value is
appropriated by US capitalists, it is mostly included in the
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