Re: Why make up a Makefile.PL (was: Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments)

2008-09-03 Thread Thomas Klausner
Hi! On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:16:35PM -0400, David Golden wrote: > There are handful of things on CPAN that are just zipped .pm files. I cpants says: cpants=> select extension,count(*) from dist group by extension ; extension | count ---+--- tar.gz| 14762 tgz | 241

Re: imaginary Makefile.PL

2008-09-03 Thread Andreas J. Koenig
> On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:57:20 -0700, Eric Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> And IMO this hints at a real problem that was mentioned >> in this thread, but was not really indicted: namely CPAN.pm’s >> logic that if there is no Makefile.PL, it is a sane idea to make >> one up out of whole

Re: Ignoring Non-Failures

2008-09-03 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, David E. Wheeler wrote: http://cpantesters.perl.org/author/DWHEELER.rss This makes it easy for me to sift through things. The only thing that would make it better is if I could get it to display only FAILs. To whom should a feature request be sent (I thought I sent a patch

Re: Ignoring Non-Failures

2008-09-03 Thread David E. Wheeler
On Sep 3, 2008, at 11:22, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: * "David E. Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-09-03T13:27:08] http://cpantesters.perl.org/author/DWHEELER.rss Now that there's a new maintainer, I should send another email... Say what? Sorry, I don't follow you here. Is there a new maintain

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

2008-09-03 Thread Andrew Moore
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:09 PM, David Golden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm interested in feedback on these ideas -- on list or off. In > particular, I'm now convinced that the "success" of CPAN Testers now > prompts the need to move PL/make fails to UNKNOWN and to discontinue > copying authors

Re: Why make up a Makefile.PL (was: Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments)

2008-09-03 Thread David Golden
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Aristotle Pagaltzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> * BinTree >> * Counter > > Can't even find those. > >> * Apache::AuthenIMAP > > Last update: 2002. They may not be indexed on search.cpan.org, but they exist in the02packages.details.txt.gz file and they exist in act

The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

2008-09-03 Thread David Golden
Yes, another CPAN Testers post on perl-qa. Sorry, Andy. I want to sum up a few things that I took away from the mega-threads yesterday and propose a series of major changes to CPAN Testers. Special thanks to an off-list (and very civil) conversation with chromatic for triggering these thoughts.

Re: imaginary Makefile.PL (and scripts)

2008-09-03 Thread Eric Wilhelm
# from Andreas J. Koenig # on Wednesday 03 September 2008 13:11: >And when you ask the CPAN shell to install >ANDK/keepcool-0.344 you'll probably be surprised that this *script* >installs just fine. > >  % head /home/ftp/pub/PAUSE/authors/id/A/AN/ANDK/keepcool-0.344 >  #!/usr/bin/perl -w > >  =hea

Re: Why make up a Makefile.PL (was: Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments)

2008-09-03 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* David Golden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-09-03 21:20]: > Examples: > > * BinTree > * Counter Can’t even find those. > * Apache::AuthenIMAP Last update: 2002. > Just to be on the safe side, however, earlier today I committed > a patch to the CPAN trunk to bypass CPAN::Reporter entirely if > a M

Why make up a Makefile.PL (was: Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments)

2008-09-03 Thread David Golden
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Aristotle Pagaltzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But the FAIL did fail to point out the true source of the > problem. And IMO this hints at a real problem that was mentioned > in this thread, but was not really indicted: namely CPAN.pm's > logic that if there is no M

Re: imaginary Makefile.PL

2008-09-03 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Eric Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-09-03 20:00]: > I've been told that it is intended for tarballs made in the > times when there was no such thing as Makefile.PL yet. The cure seems worse than the disease at this point in time then. Maybe the heuristic in CPAN.pm could be just a little mor

Re: qa: you're doing it wrong

2008-09-03 Thread chromatic
On Wednesday 03 September 2008 10:38:16 Eric Wilhelm wrote: > If I see two reports about canned beets, I'm likely to just give up. > > So, we all agree that testing is good, but please... test the *code*? > > "The old version of the installer is broken"? So what? The question is whether CPAN Tes

Re: Ignoring Non-Failures

2008-09-03 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* "David E. Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-09-03T13:27:08] > http://cpantesters.perl.org/author/DWHEELER.rss Now that there's a new maintainer, I should send another email... this file, for me is so large (6,680,062 bytes) that my RSS reader times out trying to retrieve it. Ugh. -- rjbs

Re: imaginary Makefile.PL

2008-09-03 Thread Eric Wilhelm
# from Aristotle Pagaltzis # on Wednesday 03 September 2008 10:38: >But the FAIL did fail to point out the true source of the >problem. And IMO this hints at a real problem that was mentioned >in this thread, but was not really indicted: namely CPAN.pm’s >logic that if there is no Makefile.PL, it

Re: qa: you're doing it wrong

2008-09-03 Thread Eric Wilhelm
# from David Cantrell # on Wednesday 03 September 2008 09:57: >If, like one of my previous employers, you make widgets, you test >completed widgets, you analyse how they fail, the analyst suggests >how to improve the manufacturing process to prevent a common failure, >and TPTB then ignore his repo

Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments

2008-09-03 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Graham Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-09-03 18:35]: > But the FAIL is record in the wrong place. Anyone with a CPAN toolchain older than the most recent bleeding edge version or with a couple-months-old tar binary (ie. everyone except a number of people indistinguishable from zero) will still en

Re: Suppress Test Summary?

2008-09-03 Thread David E. Wheeler
Damn you, Warnock! :-P D On Aug 8, 2008, at 12:46, David E. Wheeler wrote: Howdy, I've started fiddling with the stdout option to TAP::Harness. It's nice, although it doesn't capture everything. I mean, I think it does, but stuff still gets sent to STDOUT, too. The best way to keep stu

Ignoring Non-Failures

2008-09-03 Thread David E. Wheeler
On Sep 2, 2008, at 13:23, chromatic wrote: I already know that my distributions don't work if you don't install the dependencies, or if you use an unsupported version of Perl. You don't have to waste anyone's time testing that. What I don't know is if my distributions work on different ope

Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments

2008-09-03 Thread Eric Wilhelm
# from David Cantrell # on Wednesday 03 September 2008 06:14: >> Or, do thousands of people need to learn to do: >>   man git-tar-tree: >>          git tar-tree v1.4.0^{tree} git-1.4.0 | gzip >> >git-1.4.0.tar.gz Create a tarball for v1.4.0 release, but without a >> global extended pax header. > >

Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments

2008-09-03 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 11:33:30AM -0500, Graham Barr wrote: > On Sep 3, 2008, at 9:26 AM, David Golden wrote: > > So do we count this as a win for CPAN Testers? ;-) > Sort of, due to the fact the bug did get fixed. > But the FAIL is record in the wrong place. It gets counted as a FAIL > in the

Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments

2008-09-03 Thread Graham Barr
On Sep 3, 2008, at 9:26 AM, David Golden wrote: On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:19 AM, David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 08:00:49AM +0200, Andreas J. Koenig wrote: [git comment in tarballs] CPAN 1.92_64 is uploaded with a workaround for broken tar implementations.

Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments

2008-09-03 Thread David Golden
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:19 AM, David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 08:00:49AM +0200, Andreas J. Koenig wrote: >> > [git comment in tarballs] >> CPAN 1.92_64 is uploaded with a workaround for broken tar >> implementations. > > Thanks, that appears to work. At least

Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments

2008-09-03 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 08:00:49AM +0200, Andreas J. Koenig wrote: > > [git comment in tarballs] > CPAN 1.92_64 is uploaded with a workaround for broken tar > implementations. Thanks, that appears to work. At least, it Does The Right Thing for perl-ldap-0.37. -- David Cantrell | A machine for t

Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments

2008-09-03 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 06:21:34PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote: > # from Jan Dubois > >On Tue, 02 Sep 2008, David Cantrell wrote: > >> $ tar tzvf perl-ldap-0.37.tar.gz > >> ?rw-rw-rw- root/root52 2008-08-28 12:52:15 pax_global_header > >>unknown file type `g' > >It is not actually a file,

Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments

2008-09-03 Thread Andreas J. Koenig
> On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:55:19 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas J. Koenig) > said: > (I'll have a look what CPAN.pm can do about this ASAP.) CPAN 1.92_64 is uploaded with a workaround for broken tar implementations. Please upgrade: cpan> install ANDK/CPAN-1.92_64.tar.gz Bugreport

Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments

2008-09-03 Thread Andreas J. Koenig
> On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:21:34 -0700, Eric Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> a comment (a GIT commit id in this case). You need GNU tar 1.14 to >> handle the extended header correctly. Earlier versions will display >> a warning and extract the comment as a file. ew> Ah, interesting.