[PATCH] Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-08-09 Thread Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 05:43:08PM -0500, David Nicol wrote: On 7/28/05, John P. Linderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any significant difference between perl and Perl? That is exactly the sort of edge case that is under discussion in this thread. One possibility is maintaining an

Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-08-09 Thread Piotr Fusik
+A program that compiles and usually executes L/Perl scripts. Or is +that Lperlfaq1/Is it a Perl program or a Perl script?|Perl programs? s/is that/are they/, I guess, but I may be wrong... s/usually //

Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-08-09 Thread Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 01:38:11PM +0200, Piotr Fusik wrote: +A program that compiles and usually executes L/Perl scripts. Or is +that Lperlfaq1/Is it a Perl program or a Perl script?|Perl programs? s/is that/are they/, I guess, but I may be wrong... Implied is that phrase in the previous

Re: Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-08-09 Thread Piotr Fusik
Leaving aside alternate backends (-MO=...) and the possibility of perl lying over and dying during the compile, there\'s still perl -c. -c is check syntax and not compile. And there are also -h and -v, but I wouldn't take serious writing something like perl can be used for checking syntax or

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Piotr Fusik
I have doubts about the following changes: Note that the $year element is Inot simply the last two digits of -the year. If you assume it is, then you create non-Y2K-compliant +the year. If you assume it is and then you create non-Y2K-compliant programs--and you wouldn't want to do that,

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:55:17AM +0200, Piotr Fusik wrote: Note that the $year element is Inot simply the last two digits of -the year. If you assume it is, then you create non-Y2K-compliant +the year. If you assume it is and then you create non-Y2K-compliant programs--and you wouldn't

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread chromatic
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 00:37 -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: Note that a block by itself is semantically identical to a loop -that executes once. Thus Clast can be used to effect an early +that executes once. Thus Clast can be used to affect an early exit out of such a block. effect

Re: Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Piotr Fusik
Note that a block by itself is semantically identical to a loop -that executes once. Thus Clast can be used to effect an early +that executes once. Thus Clast can be used to affect an early exit out of such a block. effect is a noun. affect is a verb so I think this change is correct.

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Randy W. Sims
chromatic wrote: On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 00:37 -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: Note that a block by itself is semantically identical to a loop -that executes once. Thus Clast can be used to effect an early +that executes once. Thus Clast can be used to affect an early exit out of such a

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Hay
Steve Peters wrote: This patch has it all: passive voice removals; spelling fixes; which vs. that change; e.g. fixes; and etc. Thanks to Pod::Simple::RTF and and handy grammar checker, this was all made much easier. Enjoy! Thanks, applied as change 25234 with minor tweaks as suggested.

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:55:17AM +0200, Piotr Fusik wrote: I have doubts about the following changes: Note that a block by itself is semantically identical to a loop -that executes once. Thus Clast can be used to effect an early +that executes once. Thus Clast can be used to affect an

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Hay
Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:55:17AM +0200, Piotr Fusik wrote: I have doubts about the following changes: Note that a block by itself is semantically identical to a loop -that executes once. Thus Clast can be used to effect an early +that executes once. Thus

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Peters
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:55:17AM +0200, Piotr Fusik wrote: I have doubts about the following changes: Note that the $year element is Inot simply the last two digits of -the year. If you assume it is, then you create non-Y2K-compliant +the year. If you assume it is and then you create

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 11:23:45AM +0100, Steve Hay wrote: I didn't think it was confusing, but that be a minority opinion. Well, it's erudite, eloquent English written by someone with good vocabulary. (Did tchrist write it?) However it seems that 1: If you aren't native speaker, or don't

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Hay
I've already applied the first patch, with the appropriate tweaks :-) Steve Peters wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:55:17AM +0200, Piotr Fusik wrote: I have doubts about the following changes: Note that the $year element is Inot simply the last two digits of -the year. If you assume it

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Peters
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 05:32:56AM -0500, Steve Peters wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:55:17AM +0200, Piotr Fusik wrote: I have doubts about the following changes: Clearly, I need to read my mailbox completely after waking up in the morning :-/ Steve Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Hay
Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 11:23:45AM +0100, Steve Hay wrote: I didn't think it was confusing, but that be a minority opinion. Well, it's erudite, eloquent English written by someone with good vocabulary. (Did tchrist write it?) However it seems that 1: If you

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Brad Baxter
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Steve Hay wrote: Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 11:23:45AM +0100, Steve Hay wrote: I didn't think it was confusing, but that be a minority opinion. Well, it's erudite, eloquent English written by someone with good vocabulary. (Did tchrist write it?)

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Ronald J Kimball
An aside on the whole affect vs. effect thing... In fact, both words have both a verb and a noun sense. Affect as a verb means to influence or change. Effect as a verb means to bring about. Affect as a noun means a feeling or emotion. Effect as a noun means a result or influence. Affect has

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Andy Lester
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 09:53:18AM -0400, Ronald J Kimball ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: An aside on the whole affect vs. effect thing... In fact, both words have both a verb and a noun sense. Quoting from _The Elements Of Style_, by Strunk White, in the chapter Misused Words and Expressions:

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 03:50:57AM -0400, Randy W. Sims wrote: Usage Note: Affect and effect have no senses in common. As a verb affect is most commonly used in the sense of ?to influence? (how smoking affects health). Effect means ?to bring about or execute?: layoffs designed to effect

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread David Nicol
I like the fact that the perl documentation is peppered with correct uses of effect as a verb. I doubt the wisdom of continuing to talk about Y2K compliance, here in Y2K+5. We could talk about Y2100 compliance. Note that the $year element is Inot simply the last two digits of -the year.

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread John P. Linderman
I tried to keep my mouth shut (Steve Hay can verify that). There's a distinction between maintaining accepted use of words from eliminating all possibility of misunderstanding them. Should we eliminate it's and its and their and there and they're because somebody can't get them straight? After

Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes

2005-07-28 Thread David Nicol
On 7/28/05, John P. Linderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any significant difference between perl and Perl? That is exactly the sort of edge case that is under discussion in this thread. One possibility is maintaining an explicit glossary.pod file which would not only answer that

Y2K docs in the 21st century (was Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes)

2005-07-28 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 02:55:10PM -0500, David Nicol wrote: I like the fact that the perl documentation is peppered with correct uses of effect as a verb. I doubt the wisdom of continuing to talk about Y2K compliance, here in Y2K+5. We could talk about Y2100 compliance. I think folks

RE: Y2K docs in the 21st century (was Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes)

2005-07-28 Thread Horsley, Tom
I doubt the wisdom of continuing to talk about Y2K compliance, here in Y2K+5. We could talk about Y2100 compliance. Actually the next crisis is the 2039 problem (which will be utterly ignored because Y2K was such a bust :-). Microsoft is no doubt licking its chops and waiting for 2039 since

Re: Y2K docs in the 21st century (was Re: [PATCH] perlfunc.pod grammar fixes)

2005-07-28 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 06:58:35PM -0400, Horsley, Tom wrote: And therefore only Linux will have the 2039 bug. s/Linux/Unix/ Please let's not start confusing Linux with Unix or Redhat with Linux or Windows with computers on p5p, too. -- Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED]