Re: perl6 with Rakudobrew

2020-06-13 Thread Vadim Belman
With regard to 'built and installed' – yes, it is. But the purpose of rakudobrew is to build and install many different versions of rakudo and switch between them. The way it implements the task is by installing rakudo in a location which is normally not accessible and then provide means to act

Re: perl6 with Rakudobrew

2020-06-13 Thread Richard Hainsworth
Vadim, Your response is like a whisper in a storm. Perhaps there is meaning to it, but I have not the ears wherewith to hear it. (a) I am trying to find a way to test a Module under Windows when I do not have access to a Windows machine. So no I do not see how I could follow the steps of the

Re: perl6 with Rakudobrew

2020-06-13 Thread Vadim Belman
Did you ever tried to follow the steps of you script manually? I guess on a clean system without pre-installed rakudo you'd get the same result. Because `build` only builds a release. When it's ready one needs to `switch` to the built. So, no, these two are different. Best regards, Vadim Belma

Re: perl6 with Rakudobrew

2020-06-13 Thread Richard Hainsworth
Is the appveyor stanza (see the rakudobrew script below) - rakudobrew build moar %TEST_MOAR% the same as what you are suggesting? Richard On 13/06/2020 02:53, Vadim Belman wrote: Not really sure about it, but don't you have to do 'rakudobrew switch moar-%TEST_MOAR%' after building? rakudob

Re: perl6 with Rakudobrew

2020-06-12 Thread Vadim Belman
Not really sure about it, but don't you have to do 'rakudobrew switch moar-%TEST_MOAR%' after building? rakudobrew doesn't immediately activates a build. Best regards, Vadim Belman > On Jun 12, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Richard Hainsworth > wrote: > > I have tried two different strategies on appvey

Re: perl6 with Rakudobrew

2020-06-12 Thread Richard Hainsworth
I have tried two different strategies on appveyor. (I also run a travis test for the same Module that passes without a problem). a) Copying from OpenSSL, which uses rakudo.git (see script below) b) Copying from GTK::Simple, which uses Rakudobrew (see below) Both failed for reasons I can't work

Re: perl6 with Rakudobrew

2020-06-12 Thread Vadim Belman
I'm still using rakudobrew for myself, it is not a problem. Besides, we still install perl6. What I'd look for is if correct PATH is setup; and check if rakudobrew is been used properly. Note that different modes (env or shim) would need different handling. To my understanding, in a container

Re: perl6 with Rakudobrew

2020-06-12 Thread Elizabeth Mattijsen
It is my understanding that rakudobrew has been renamed to rakubrew: https://rakubrew.org Could the be the issue? > On 12 Jun 2020, at 14:59, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > > I ran into this error using Rakudobrew on appveyor (see after ) > > I'm new at using appveyor, so maybe my script is wron

Re: perl6 vs ruby

2020-03-05 Thread Brad Gilbert
There isn't currently a way to compile to a single file, but there was a GSOC project that started on it. On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:17 AM Aureliano Guedes wrote: > I have another question for you. Maybe it must be better done in another > thread... > But, there is a way to compile Raku code in a bi

Re: perl6 vs ruby

2020-03-05 Thread Aureliano Guedes
I have another question for you. Maybe it must be better done in another thread... But, there is a way to compile Raku code in a binary capable to run in a system without a Raku installation? On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:17 AM Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote: > Well, internally many parts still have Perl

Re: perl6 vs ruby

2020-03-05 Thread Elizabeth Mattijsen
Well, internally many parts still have Perl 6 in them. Renaming those is... an interesting task. Online, most resources have been renamed, but some still need to be done. This mailing list being one of them. Unfortunately, it is part of the crumbling Perl infrastructure, so it's unclear wha

Re: perl6 vs ruby

2020-03-05 Thread Wyatt Chun
Hi Is perl6 totall renamed to raku? regards On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:15 AM Fields, Christopher J wrote: > A few people had started a port of some BioPerl code to Perl6 a while ago; > I tested this recently and it still passed tests. > > https://github.com/cjfields/bioperl6 > > It should be ren

Re: perl6 vs ruby

2020-03-03 Thread Fields, Christopher J
A few people had started a port of some BioPerl code to Perl6 a while ago; I tested this recently and it still passed tests. https://github.com/cjfields/bioperl6 It should be renamed to bioraku! Chris Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Parrot Raiser <1parr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Re: perl6 vs ruby

2020-03-03 Thread Parrot Raiser
> we use ruby for Biological data analysis. I wish perl6 should have got that > capability. Would you like to give us a sample problem,, to see if someone can show a potential solution?

Re: perl6 vs ruby

2020-03-01 Thread Kristopher
on 2020/3/2 9:15, Parrot Raiser wrote: If the reference to "BIO" was about bioinformatics, the ability to use Perl 5 code and modules should reduce the amount of necessary re-working, though there are probably opportunities to rework the Perl 5 for more power and coherence in Rakudo. Thanks for

Re: perl6 vs ruby

2020-03-01 Thread Kristopher
on 2020/2/29 17:16, Shlomi Fish wrote: do you meanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioinformatics ? Yes, that's right. thank you.

Re: perl6 vs ruby

2020-03-01 Thread Parrot Raiser
Since Ruby was designed to fix what Matz considered mis-features of Perl 5, and the motivation for Rakudo was much the same, it's hardly surprising they're similar. One feature of any Open Source product to consider when investing any effort in it is the supporting community. Though Ruby was consi

Re: perl6 vs ruby

2020-02-29 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Kristopher, welcome aboard. On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 15:14:15 +0800 Kristopher wrote: > Hello, > > This is Kristopher from Japan. > We have ruby language, which I have been using on work for years. > Now I take a rough watch on perl6 language. > Can you tell me what are the main difference betwe

Re: perl6 vs ruby

2020-02-29 Thread Elizabeth Mattijsen
https://docs.raku.org/language/rb-nutshell > On 29 Feb 2020, at 08:14, Kristopher wrote: > > Hello, > > This is Kristopher from Japan. > We have ruby language, which I have been using on work for years. > Now I take a rough watch on perl6 language. > Can you tell me what are the main difference

Re: perl6 with XS

2020-02-03 Thread ToddAndMargo via perl6-users
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 12:41 AM Darren Duncan > wrote: > > Raku has the Native Call interface > https://docs.raku.org/language/nativecall > which is what you use instead. -- Darren Duncan > > On 2020-02-02 6:36 p.m., wes park wrote: > > HI >

Re: perl6 with XS

2020-02-03 Thread Wyatt Chun
Can perl6 manage C Pointer directly? that would be amazing really. regards. On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 7:35 PM Aureliano Guedes wrote: > Also, this is amazing: > https://docs.raku.org/language/nativecall#sub_nativecast > > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 8:32 AM Aureliano Guedes < > guedes.aureli...@gma

Re: perl6 with XS

2020-02-03 Thread Aureliano Guedes
Also, this is amazing: https://docs.raku.org/language/nativecall#sub_nativecast On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 8:32 AM Aureliano Guedes wrote: > This is nice. > Sorry for my ignorance but what is the advantage in use CArray instead of > a usual raku array? > https://docs.raku.org/language/nativecall#C

Re: perl6 with XS

2020-02-03 Thread Aureliano Guedes
This is nice. Sorry for my ignorance but what is the advantage in use CArray instead of a usual raku array? https://docs.raku.org/language/nativecall#CArray_methods On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 12:41 AM Darren Duncan wrote: > Raku has the Native Call interface > https://docs.raku.org/language/native

Re: perl6 with XS

2020-02-02 Thread Darren Duncan
Raku has the Native Call interface https://docs.raku.org/language/nativecall which is what you use instead. -- Darren Duncan On 2020-02-02 6:36 p.m., wes park wrote: HI In perl5 we can use the underline C library for example JSON C with XS interface. In perl6 how can we implement it? Thanks

Re: Perl6 vs Julia

2019-12-09 Thread Andrew Kirkpatrick
I think the motivation for Julia was that nothing delivered both the performance and flexibility they wanted for numeric programming. C/C++ are too static and dangerous, Matlab proprietary, (not sure what they don't like about Octave), Java too verbose and lacking in numeric primitives, Common Lisp

Re: Perl6 vs Julia

2019-12-09 Thread Parrot Raiser
I agree with you. Improving an existing one is different, even if fixing the original does give turn out to produce what is effectively a new one. Addressing a completely new class of problem would also be different, but that would be moving up the stack.

Re: Perl6 vs Julia

2019-12-08 Thread Brad Gilbert
>> The belief that Yet Another Programming Language is the answer to the >> world's problems is a persistent, but (IMNSHO) a naive one. Some people might think that applies to Raku. Not me, but some people. On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 2:09 PM Parrot Raiser <1parr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Who initiated

Re: Perl6 vs Julia

2019-12-08 Thread Parrot Raiser
Who initiated the project, and why? What deficiencies in existing languages are they trying to address? The belief that Yet Another Programming Language is the answer to the world's problems is a persistent, but (IMNSHO) a naive one. On 12/8/19, Andrew Shitov wrote: > Let’s not hide the fact tha

Re: Perl6 vs Julia

2019-12-08 Thread Andrew Shitov
Let’s not hide the fact that Julia development raised 4.6 million dollars and the language is production-ready. On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 12:46, JJ Merelo wrote: > It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that in > some cases it's exactly the same. It's got a very extensive ma

Re: Perl6 vs Julia

2019-12-08 Thread Fernando Santagata
If math is your area of interest, the GSL is interesting *and* humongous: I've been working on it for two weeks writing the raw interface to the C library and I just started to write a Raku-level interface, something that would let programmers use the library without having to learn how to create a

Re: Perl6 vs Julia

2019-12-08 Thread Tom Blackwood
Nice! Thanks for letting me know. On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:21 AM Fernando Santagata < nando.santag...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > I authored an interface to the Fastest Fourier Transform in the West > (libfftw3) as Math::FFT::Libfftw3; I'm working on an interface to the GNU > Scientific Library (l

Re: Perl6 vs Julia

2019-12-08 Thread Fernando Santagata
Hi, I authored an interface to the Fastest Fourier Transform in the West (libfftw3) as Math::FFT::Libfftw3; I'm working on an interface to the GNU Scientific Library (libgsl). I'm writing this just to avoid duplicating an effort. On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 12:18 PM Tom Blackwood wrote: > Thanks JJ.

Re: Perl6 vs Julia

2019-12-08 Thread JJ Merelo
El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 12:10, Tom Blackwood () escribió: > Thanks JJ. > We know Perl has PDL for data science, > http://pdl.perl.org/ > > We are looking into it and see if it's possible to make a Perl6 version of > Scikit-learn based on PDL. > That would be really great. JJ

Re: Perl6 vs Julia

2019-12-08 Thread Tom Blackwood
Thanks JJ. We know Perl has PDL for data science, http://pdl.perl.org/ We are looking into it and see if it's possible to make a Perl6 version of Scikit-learn based on PDL. regards. Tom On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:40 PM JJ Merelo wrote: > It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the

Re: Perl6 vs Julia

2019-12-08 Thread JJ Merelo
It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that in some cases it's exactly the same. It's got a very extensive macro systems, which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It's more scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort of mathematical module

Re: Perl6 -> Raku? whats the scope?

2019-10-16 Thread Darren Duncan
While that is useful, and could be something I settle for, its not really the same thing at all. Any other domain could be setup to redirect to perl6.org, and I haven't seen any official word that raku.org is the official replacement, though it would be nice to be. When perl6.org redirects t

Re: Perl6 -> Raku? whats the scope?

2019-10-16 Thread Joseph Brenner
Last I looked, raku.org redirects to perl6.org already. On 10/15/19, Darren Duncan wrote: > One of the earliest steps that I hope gets implemented as soon as possible > is > that the previous official web domain for Perl 6 which is *.perl6.org gets > an > official replacement such as *.raku.org w

Re: Perl6 -> Raku? whats the scope?

2019-10-16 Thread Kaare Rasmussen
Den 15-10-2019 kl. 17:49 skrev Andrew Shitov: To my opinion, should be done before this year's Christmas. At least everything that can be done by the "Perl 6 team" But after lunch. /kaare

Re: Perl6 -> Raku? whats the scope?

2019-10-15 Thread Darren Duncan
One of the earliest steps that I hope gets implemented as soon as possible is that the previous official web domain for Perl 6 which is *.perl6.org gets an official replacement such as *.raku.org which has identical structure and content but for the domain, and any visits to the former 301 redir

Re: Perl6 -> Raku? whats the scope?

2019-10-15 Thread N6Ghost
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 05:48:49PM +0200, JJ Merelo wrote: > There's no such thing as a Raku blog, so I am not sure where the official > renaming should go. Closest thing is Liz's Raku weekly, I guess... > > El mar., 15 oct. 2019 a las 17:47, Andrew Shitov () > escribió: > at this point, since w

Re: Perl6 -> Raku? whats the scope?

2019-10-15 Thread N6Ghost
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 05:47:15PM +0200, Andrew Shitov wrote: well, I guess "raku" it is, i think this may be a good thing. and we can push Raku forward in a cean way. -N6Ghost > Hi, > > Here's what Larry Wall said: > https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/pull/89?fbclid=IwAR2rrjkuKJTWBPX6

Re: Perl6 -> Raku? whats the scope?

2019-10-15 Thread Joseph Brenner
Just as a practical matter, I would expect it will be "Raku (the language-formerly-known-as-Perl 6)" for some time. I would call the vote among core developers "official", and Larry Wall's approval makes it as solid as it can get. On 10/15/19, JJ Merelo wrote: > There's no such thing as a Raku b

Re: Perl6 -> Raku? whats the scope?

2019-10-15 Thread JJ Merelo
El mar., 15 oct. 2019 a las 17:49, Andrew Shitov () escribió: > > The coming weeks / months / years, the name "Perl 6" will be replaced by > "Raku". > > To my opinion, should be done before this year's Christmas. At least > everything that can be done by the "Perl 6 team" (whatever it is). > It's

Re: Perl6 -> Raku? whats the scope?

2019-10-15 Thread JJ Merelo
There's no such thing as a Raku blog, so I am not sure where the official renaming should go. Closest thing is Liz's Raku weekly, I guess... El mar., 15 oct. 2019 a las 17:47, Andrew Shitov () escribió: > Hi, > > Here's what Larry Wall said: > > https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/pull/89?fb

Re: Perl6 -> Raku? whats the scope?

2019-10-15 Thread Andrew Shitov
> The coming weeks / months / years, the name "Perl 6" will be replaced by "Raku". To my opinion, should be done before this year's Christmas. At least everything that can be done by the "Perl 6 team" (whatever it is). On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 5:48 PM Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote: > > On 15 Oct 201

Re: Perl6 -> Raku? whats the scope?

2019-10-15 Thread Elizabeth Mattijsen
> On 15 Oct 2019, at 17:43, N6Ghost wrote: > Starting to see posts, as if the decision was made already but have not see > any offical > post anywhere, i can find. everything seems to flow from a thread on github > somehwere > anyone know anything on the rename? is it "Raku" ? The decision to r

Re: Perl6 -> Raku? whats the scope?

2019-10-15 Thread Andrew Shitov
Hi, Here's what Larry Wall said: https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/pull/89?fbclid=IwAR2rrjkuKJTWBPX6bobZTfeSj4VePT9HmEsunlLtD_XeP9g06RFsk-y0kHw#pullrequestreview-300789072 For me, there can be no other "official" announcement. The new name is Raku. On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 5:43 PM N6Ghost

Re: perl6 for web development

2019-09-30 Thread William Michels via perl6-users
Hi, thought I'd chime in here with a good starting point: the modules.perl6.org website. You can search for 'http' or 'web' or 'server', which gives you more results that you might find by using tags: (60 results) https://modules.perl6.org/search/?q=http (44 results) https://modules.perl6.org/sear

Re: perl6 for web development

2019-09-30 Thread Patrick Spek via perl6-users
It's a library for making a web application. One could also make a framework out of it, if they wished to do so. Jonathan has made this distinction in the past, referring to Cro as a library explicitly, as opposed to a framework, as a framework is (usually) highly opinionated. Cro is not. That sa

Re: perl6 for web development

2019-09-29 Thread Veesh Goldman
No, it's a web framework. On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 14:33 星沉 wrote: > On 2019/9/29 7:23 下午, Laurent Rosenfeld wrote: > > you probably want to take a look at Cro. > > hello, > > is this the replacement to perl5's coro? > > regards. >

Re: perl6 for web development

2019-09-29 Thread 星沉
On 2019/9/29 7:23 下午, Laurent Rosenfeld wrote: you probably want to take a look at Cro. hello, is this the replacement to perl5's coro? regards.

Re: perl6 for web development

2019-09-29 Thread Laurent Rosenfeld via perl6-users
Hi, you probably want to take a look at Cro. Cheers, Laurent. Le dim. 29 sept. 2019 à 11:37, 星沉 a écrit : > Hello, > > I have been learning perl6 for some days. > I want to switch to the actual project using perl6. > Is there any book/guide for web development with per

Re: perl6-regex: retaining $/.pos after an unsuccesful match without a temporary variable?

2019-08-21 Thread William Michels via perl6-users
Hi Raymond, Wow that's exciting! I'm sure others will chime in with their thoughts. I wrote two more test cases for your "incremental P5-like parser", that can be appended to the code you posted yesterday (personally I think of incremental matching as being important for matching the linear order

Re: perl6-regex: retaining $/.pos after an unsuccesful match without a temporary variable?

2019-08-21 Thread yary
More literal transcription of your original code is to allow zero-length match, which maintains "pos", and then checking the match length. #!/usr/bin/env perl6 use v6.c; given " foo bar" { die unless m/^\s+/; die unless m:p/ foo\s+ /; die if m:p/[ willnotmatch ]?/ && $/.chars;

Re: perl6-regex: retaining $/.pos after an unsuccesful match without a temporary variable?

2019-08-20 Thread Raymond Dresens
Hello everyone, and thanks everyone for their comments and code snippets with full of syntax that I haven't discovered as of yet, Today I managed to figure out how my provided example code could be rewritten in Perl 6 almost 'verbatim': see the program below in this message. I implemented a '~~~'

Re: perl6-regex: retaining $/.pos after an unsuccesful match without a temporary variable?

2019-08-20 Thread William Michels via perl6-users
Hi Yary, I'd certainly welcome a simpler answer than what I posted--for both 1). incremental search and 2). returning positional values. Below are some links to Regular Expressions in Python and in R. Regular Expressions in Perl 6 should aim to be as good if not better: Python: https://developer

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-20 Thread Laurent Rosenfeld via perl6-users
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. What I meant to say it that I wasn't enthusiastic about a name change, but, if the name really has to change, then Camelia is my favorite name. Le mer. 14 août 2019 à 05:49, Eliza a écrit : > Hi, > > on 2019/8/14 5:19, Laurent Rosenfeld via perl6-users wrote: > >

Re: perl6-regex: retaining $/.pos after an unsuccesful match without a temporary variable?

2019-08-19 Thread William Michels via perl6-users
Hi Aureliano, It's a good question. The short answer is I haven't had any memory problems with the toy examples so far, but I haven't scaled up the regex to know how it behaves when testing for hundreds (or thousands) of matches. I suppose there might be some way to restrict array values to Int-onl

Re: perl6-regex: retaining $/.pos after an unsuccesful match without a temporary variable?

2019-08-19 Thread yary
If you do make this a grammar, I think there's more than one way to have " {@a.push($/.pos)}/" fire after every match, and not repeat that code snippit on each rule... keep that in mind as a goal... -y On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:13 AM William Michels via perl6-users wrote: > > Thanks to Brad Gilb

Re: perl6-regex: retaining $/.pos after an unsuccesful match without a temporary variable?

2019-08-19 Thread William Michels via perl6-users
Thanks to Brad Gilbert's code contribution in this thread, I re-wrote a small snippet of his code (code that incrementally checks a series of regex matches), to have it return the last position of each match. Testing with three 'matches' and one 'willnotmatch' returns three positional values, as ex

Re: perl6-regex: retaining $/.pos after an unsuccesful match without a temporary variable?

2019-08-19 Thread Patrick Spek via perl6-users
On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:45:27 -0300 Aureliano Guedes wrote: > Even being another language, Perl6 should be inheriting Perl5's > regexes or even improving it not making it uglier and harder. > > Or I'm seeing how to use it in an easy way. Also, dunno if there is > some GOOD documentation to Perl6

Re: perl6-regex: retaining $/.pos after an unsuccesful match without a temporary variable?

2019-08-18 Thread Aureliano Guedes
Even being another language, Perl6 should be inheriting Perl5's regexes or even improving it not making it uglier and harder. Or I'm seeing how to use it in an easy way. Also, dunno if there is some GOOD documentation to Perl6 regexes. On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 12:56 PM Brad Gilbert wrote: > The

Re: perl6-regex: retaining $/.pos after an unsuccesful match without a temporary variable?

2019-08-18 Thread Brad Gilbert
Perl6 improved on regexes precicely by not inheriting decades of accumulated cruft. Perl (prior to 6) has expanded upon regular expressions in ways it was not designed for. (It was not designed to be expanded at all.) That has lead to hard to guess extensions, because they are not all that consist

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-18 Thread Marcel Timmerman
Hi David, I think you're right in this. While I like the name chosen by Eliza I also thought about the changes which will follow after the renaming. Like in documentation with mentions of perl6, websites, books, extensions of modules, programs and pod docs etc. If it comes to renaming, Camel

Re: perl6-regex: retaining $/.pos after an unsuccesful match without a temporary variable?

2019-08-18 Thread Raymond Dresens
Hi Brad, Thanks for your response! I'll study your examples more carefully in the upcoming days, The grammar system seems to explicitly "enforcing" me to separate the parsing logic and the handling logic, which is a switch that is doable for me... unless both logics get 'inter-mingled'? The latte

Re: perl6-regex: retaining $/.pos after an unsuccesful match without a temporary variable?

2019-08-18 Thread Brad Gilbert
The Perl6 regex system was simplified. Instead you use the rest of Perl6 to implement those features. Both inside and outside of the regexes. (Which means there are fewer esoteric features that are rarely used, and often forgotten or never learned.) It might be best to just store the position at t

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-14 Thread Eliza
Hi, on 2019/8/13 11:52, Veesh Goldman wrote: All ML really happens in C++. The only advantage that python has is that people use it. P6 is flexible enough that I'm sure you can port TensorFlow using nativeCall within a month. Perl as a whole has a terrible image problem. People think it's just

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-13 Thread Eliza
Hi, on 2019/8/14 5:19, Laurent Rosenfeld via perl6-users wrote: Having said that, I should add that if the name should really change, I think Camelia is probably the least bad idea that I can think of. Following the link: https://medium.com/@ThePearlSource/pearls-and-birthstones-the-pearl-m

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-13 Thread Laurent Rosenfeld via perl6-users
I don't think the decision has been made so far. At this point, it is a proposal by one (or possibly several) individual(s) whom I very much respect. And it is definitely not going to hapopen this week (and quite probably not this month). Even though my opinion on the subject is probably irrelev

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-13 Thread William Michels via perl6-users
I've put up two name suggestions for Perl 6: NUPERL: www.nuperl.orgwww.nuperl.comwww.nuperl.net NEUPERL: www.neuperl.orgwww.neuperl.comwww.neuperl.net Specifics: https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/81#issuecomment-520960546 I'm not sure why this decision has to be m

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-13 Thread David Christensen
On 8/11/19 11:14 PM, Eliza wrote: Hello perl6 world, I saw the perl6 github issue, just was confused will perl6 change its name? https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/81 I don't know whether to take this is troll bait or a real issue. Lots of people seem to be responding; so i

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-13 Thread David E.
It's been said before, but I do think that the "Perl6" name is holding back adoption. Too many people think of the old Perl, and have no interest in looking at what's changed in a new version of the "same" language. Whatever the new name ultimately becomes, changing it (perhaps timed with a new ma

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread BELOSCAR Christian
Camelia : Excellent idea Eliza, I totally agree with yours arguments and what a sympathetic non technical name accorded with its logo and attracting young programmers too. I vote for this choice with enthusiasm ! Chris Le lun. 12 août 2019 à 08:15, Eliza a écrit : > Hello perl6 world, > > I saw

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread Veesh Goldman
All ML really happens in C++. The only advantage that python has is that people use it. P6 is flexible enough that I'm sure you can port TensorFlow using nativeCall within a month. Perl as a whole has a terrible image problem. People think it's just awk with more punctuation variables. Literally, t

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread Francis Grizzly Smit
On 13/08/2019 12:03, Eliza wrote: Hi, on 2019/8/13 3:17, Stephen Wilcoxon wrote: Perl, on the other hand, can do anything Python can (except stackless) and, generally, just as easily. I don't think so specially in AI/ML field. Python can handle primitive types much better than ruby/perl ca

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread Eliza
Hi, on 2019/8/13 3:17, Stephen Wilcoxon wrote: Perl, on the other hand, can do anything Python can (except stackless) and, generally, just as easily. I don't think so specially in AI/ML field. Python can handle primitive types much better than ruby/perl can at the moment. And has much less o

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread Eliza
Hi, on 2019/8/13 2:17, Stephen Wilcoxon wrote: I love Perl but it has an image problem.  If Perl didn't have an image problem, Python never would have become so popular. can you give more detailed description what image problem perl has? thanks.

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread David Green
It’s far from obvious that playing with the name is likely to make things significantly better. Perl 6 has been P6 longer than Perl 5 had been P5 — or Perl Anything — at the time it was conceived. That’s not to say nothing should be done about it, but as some people have pointed out in the Githu

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread Joseph Brenner
> If Perl had worked harder to stay in the public eye in a good way (rather than being viewed as dieing), there wouldn't have been a perceived need for Python. As I remember it, there was a concerted attack on perl with Python being held up as the-anti-perl. There wasn't (yet) any question of per

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread Joseph Brenner
I think: (1) For a rename to happen, Larry Wall really has to sign off on it: this is just a social reality of the perl world. (2) The rename really has to be an announced, offical rename. It can't be just an alias or a knickname or anything like that. I find I like the name Camelia in part be

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread Stephen Wilcoxon
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:42 PM Richard Hainsworth wrote: > > > The decision on perl 5 vs perl 6 naming is more revolutionary but it > > IS hurting > > Perl. I love Perl but it has an image problem. > True. Would a name change now have much effect? > > If Perl didn't have an image problem, > > Py

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread Parrot Raiser
"5" is a version number of Perl. To run it, $/usr/bin/perl "6" is part of the name of Perl6. To run it, $/usr/bin/perl6. With the production version of Perl incremented by 2 every year, it's still about 35 years before the version gets to an inconvenient 3 digits. (Will there really be enough wort

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread Richard Hainsworth
The decision on perl 5 vs perl 6 naming is more revolutionary but it IS hurting Perl.  I love Perl but it has an image problem. True. Would a name change now have much effect? If Perl didn't have an image problem, Python never would have become so popular. Mmmm. That is a very strong a

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread Stephen Wilcoxon
I agree that the "incorrect statement" was factually incorrect. However, it was widely perceived to be correct. That perception did hurt perl (both 5 and 6). It made many people see perl as "dead" while perl 6 was under development. >>> "It took way too long to mature to an initial release" > >

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-12 Thread Richard Hainsworth
On the topic raised by Eliza, a counter rant. Hopefully, everyone will detect the humour (English spelling) and not take offence. There are is one statement in Eliza's original text that is not correct, and several that are debatable. The debatable statements are understandable, and entirely r

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-11 Thread Erez Schatz
It's all bike-shedding. On 8/12/19 9:14 AM, Eliza wrote: Hello perl6 world, I saw the perl6 github issue, just was confused will perl6 change its name? Perl 6 was initially conceived to be the next version of Perl 5. It took way too long to mature to an initial release. Meanwhile, people i

Re: perl6's new name?

2019-08-11 Thread JJ Merelo
Hi, El lun., 12 ago. 2019 a las 8:15, Eliza () escribió: > Hello perl6 world, > > I saw the perl6 github issue, just was confused will perl6 change its name? > Yes, it might. Perl 6 will still be the language, but the implementation (the stack including MoarVM, NQP and Rakudo) will be called Cam

Re: perl6.org down and documentation

2019-04-21 Thread mimosinnet
Thank for the answers! Changing the owner of */usr/share/perl6/site/doc* to the user running zef allowed to install *p6doc*. We will be using these alternative websites meanwhile. Cheers! Missatge de Timo Paulssen del dia dg., 21 d’abr. 2019 a les 10:48: > Hi mimosinnet, > > we have a fallback

Re: perl6.org down and documentation

2019-04-21 Thread Timo Paulssen
Hi mimosinnet, we have a fallback live on http://docs.perl6.wakelift.de/ for the docs and http://perl6.wakelift.de/ for the main website. There is an outage somewhere near the server that hosts all our sites. We'll be able to get physical access and fix whatever's wrong on tuesday. I'm not sure w

Re: perl6.org down and documentation

2019-04-21 Thread JJ Merelo
It's provisionally here: http://docs.perl6.wakelift.de/ But those errors have nothing to do with that, I think. It's a permission problem. Do you have permission to write in the directory it indicates? Cheers El dom., 21 abr. 2019 a las 10:28, mimosinnet () escribió: > Dear perl6 users, > > Per

Re: Perl6 use cases

2018-11-12 Thread Laurent Rosenfeld via perl6-users
Hi, answering a bit late, but better late than never. A couple of uses of Perl 6 at $work. I'm working, among other things, on a very large application running on VMS (about 3,500 programs). We"re using a few dozens Perl programs on these platforms, but we're stuck with a very old version of Perl

RE: Perl6 use cases

2018-11-05 Thread Mark Devine
N6Ghost, I use Perl 6 exclusively now for "systems" work. - SSH commands to 500 systems to gather their info using promises/supplies/channels - make Perl 6 modules for cantankerous system management utilities, then write scripts that use my .pm6 modules for various purposes (I.e

Re: Perl6 use cases

2018-11-05 Thread Vittore Scolari
Hi, whenever I want to have fun, and I need to parse a non-trivial file format, dealing with the output of special purpose software performing analysis on experimental data, I choose Perl 6 due to the fact that composability makes grammars very readable and logical-looking. On the other end, I sti

Re: Perl6 use cases

2018-11-05 Thread Theo van den Heuvel
Hi, I have been using it for a couple of years and my main use case is heavy and complex syntactic analysis. In my experience no other language comes close for this kind of use. Perl6 takes some getting used to, but it is well-designed. Some aspects of the design are not yet part of the Raku

Re: Perl6 use cases

2018-11-05 Thread Richard Hainsworth
Hi, I use Perl 6 all the time, wherever I can. But for some things I do, I can't use Perl 6, for example Android apps, or embedded chip programming. I have used a number of languages, starting with Fortran and assembler, then Pascal, Snobol, C and recently Java and php. Perl 6 can be used f

Re: Perl6 use cases

2018-11-04 Thread Patrick Spek via perl6-users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, I've been using Perl 6 in my personal projects to create an IRC bot (using IRC::Client), a number of modules, and currently trying to set up a new mail environment with a management API built with Cro. At work, I've used Perl 6 to deal with DMA

RE: Perl6 POSIX IEEE Std 1003.1

2018-08-14 Thread Mark Devine
o.html), which gave me a headache when I tried. I'm using getaddrinfo quite a bit now that someone fleshed it out in the Perl6 docs. Thanks again for your work on Perl6! Mark -Original Message- From: Elizabeth Mattijsen Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 18:04 To: perl6-users Subj

Re: Perl6 POSIX IEEE Std 1003.1

2018-08-14 Thread Elizabeth Mattijsen
ttijsen! We’ll benefit greatly from your industrious > work. > > Mark > > From: JJ Merelo > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 17:01 > To: Mark Devine ; perl6-users > Subject: Re: Perl6 POSIX IEEE Std 1003.1 > > Many of them are already in the ecosystem as part of l

RE: Perl6 POSIX IEEE Std 1003.1

2018-08-14 Thread Mark Devine
Wow. Glad I asked… Thank you Elizabeth Mattijsen! We’ll benefit greatly from your industrious work. Mark From: JJ Merelo Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 17:01 To: Mark Devine ; perl6-users Subject: Re: Perl6 POSIX IEEE Std 1003.1 Many of them are already in the ecosystem as part of

Re: Perl6 POSIX IEEE Std 1003.1

2018-08-14 Thread JJ Merelo
Many of them are already in the ecosystem as part of lizmat's Buttefly project of porting Perl 5 CPAN modules to Perl 6. That If I remember correctly, the ones you mention are one of the few that are missing, but you can find most of them here: https://modules.perl6.org/search/?q=p5 Cheers El ma

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