Re: Exceptuations, fatality, resumption, locality, and the with keyword; was Re: use fatal err fail

2005-10-01 Thread Austin Hastings
Yuval Kogman wrote: On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 13:52:54 -0400, Austin Hastings wrote: [Bunches of stuff elided.] A million years ago, $Larry pointed out that when we were able to use 'is just a' classifications on P6 concepts, it indicated that we were making good forward progress. In that

Re: Exceptuations, fatality, resumption, locality, and the with keyword; was Re: use fatal err fail

2005-10-01 Thread Austin Hastings
TSa wrote: The view I believe Yuval is harboring is the one examplified in movies like The Matrix or The 13th Floor and that underlies the holodeck of the Enterprise: you can leave the intrinsic causality of the running program and inspect it. Usually that is called debugging. But this

Re: Look-ahead arguments in for loops

2005-10-01 Thread Austin Hastings
Damian Conway wrote: Rather than addition Yet Another Feature, what's wrong with just using: for @list ¥ @list[1...] - $curr, $next { ... } ??? 1. Requirement to repeat the possibly complex expression for the list. 2. Possible high cost of generating the list. 3. Possible

Re: Exceptuations, fatality, resumption, locality, and the with keyword; was Re: use fatal err fail

2005-10-01 Thread Yuval Kogman
On Sat, Oct 01, 2005 at 05:57:54 -0400, Austin Hastings wrote: Internally, it may be the same. But with exceptions, it's implemented by someone other than the victim, and leveraged by all. That's the kind of abstraction I'm looking for. My problem with the whole notion of Either errorMessage

Re: Look-ahead arguments in for loops

2005-10-01 Thread Damian Conway
Austin Hastings wrote: All of these have the same solution: @list = ... for [undef, @list[0...]] ¥ @list ¥ [EMAIL PROTECTED], undef] - $last, $curr, $next { ... } Which is all but illegible. Oh, no! You mean I might have to write a...subroutine!?? sub contextual (@list) {

RE: Look-ahead arguments in for loops

2005-10-01 Thread Joe Gottman
-Original Message- From: Damian Conway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 8:53 AM To: perl6-language@perl.org Subject: Re: Look-ahead arguments in for loops Austin Hastings wrote: All of these have the same solution: @list = ... for [undef,

Parrot 0.3.0 Alex Released!

2005-10-01 Thread Leopold Toetsch
On behalf of the Parrot team I'm proud to announce the release of Parrot 0.3.0. I'd like to thank all involved people as well as our sponsors for supporting us. What is Parrot? Parrot is a virtual machine aimed at running Perl6 and other dynamic languages. Parrot 0.3.0 changes and news - New

Re: Look-ahead arguments in for loops

2005-10-01 Thread John Macdonald
On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 08:39:58PM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote: Incidentally, the undef problem just vanishes here (being replaced by another problem). Which reminds me that this same issue came up a while ago in a different guise. There was a long discussion about the reduce functionality that

Re: Look-ahead arguments in for loops

2005-10-01 Thread Luke Palmer
On 10/1/05, John Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forget what the final choice was for syntax for the reduce operator (it was probably even a different name from reduce - that's the APL name), but it would be given a list and an operator and run as: my $running = op.identity;

Re: Look-ahead arguments in for loops

2005-10-01 Thread Austin Hastings
Damian Conway wrote: Austin Hastings wrote: All of these have the same solution: @list = ... for [undef, @list[0...]] ¥ @list ¥ [EMAIL PROTECTED], undef] - $last, $curr, $next { ... } Which is all but illegible. Oh, no! You mean I might have to write a...subroutine!?? Austin

Re: seeing the end of the tunnel

2005-10-01 Thread Luke Palmer
On 10/1/05, David Storrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All in all, I think that might just be the end of the tunnel up ahead. Go us for getting here, and loud applause to @Larry for guiding us so well! Applause for p6l for hashing out the issues that we didn't think of. I recently wrote a Perl 6

Re: Look-ahead arguments in for loops

2005-10-01 Thread Damian Conway
Austin Hastings wrote: 1. Requirement to repeat the possibly complex expression for the list. 2. Possible high cost of generating the list. 3. Possible unique nature of the list. The subroutine addresses #1, but not 2 or 3. It does address 2. The list is generated once (wherever) and only

Re: Look-ahead arguments in for loops

2005-10-01 Thread John Macdonald
On Sat, Oct 01, 2005 at 02:22:01PM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote: And the more general form was: $sum = reduce { $^a + $^b } @items; Yes, it is called reduce, because foldl is a miserable name. So, the target of running a loop with both the current and previous elements accessible could be