Re: multiline comments

2005-10-12 Thread Alfie John
On 12/10/2005, at 3:33 PM, Luke Palmer wrote: On 10/11/05, Alfie John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Perl6 support multiline comments? Yes, in the form of pod blocks. =begin comment =end comment They nest, too. Luke But does that then break my lovely formatted pod like it does in

Re: multiline comments

2005-10-12 Thread Alfie John
On 12/10/2005, at 4:18 PM, Mark A. Biggar wrote: Alfie John wrote: Hi (), This is probably a stupid question, but I can't find anything from google: Does Perl6 support multiline comments? Briefly, No and kind of. Standard Perl 6 comments are just like those in Perl 5. A '#' starts

Re: multiline comments

2005-10-12 Thread Luke Palmer
On 10/12/05, Alfie John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/10/2005, at 3:33 PM, Luke Palmer wrote: =begin comment =end comment But does that then break my lovely formatted pod like it does in Perl5? Try this: % cat dosomething.pl =head1 TITLE Thingy - do something =head1 DESCRIPTION =over

RE: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Gordon Henriksen
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 06:10:41PM -0400, Stevan Little wrote: I would like to propose that class methods do not get inherited along normal class lines. You mean, make them *not methods?* Because it's not a method unless it has an invocant, as far as I'm concerned. (Method implies

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Piers Cawley
Stevan Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello all. I would like to propose that class methods do not get inherited along normal class lines. I think that inheriting class methods will, in many cases, not DWIM. This is largely because your are inheriting behavior, and not state (since

Re: multiline comments

2005-10-12 Thread Juerd
Alfie John skribis 2005-10-12 15:28 (+1000): Does Perl6 support multiline comments? All incarnations of Perl have allowed us to begin multiple subsequent lines with the comment glyph '#'. I am sure Perl 6 will not break this tradition. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Stevan Little
Gordon, On Oct 11, 2005, at 9:10 PM, Gordon Henriksen wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 06:10:41PM -0400, Stevan Little wrote: I would like to propose that class methods do not get inherited along normal class lines. You mean, make them *not methods?* Because it's not a method unless it has an

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Stevan Little
Piers, On Oct 12, 2005, at 5:22 AM, Piers Cawley wrote: We definitely have two instances of A since, B.isa(::A). We also have a fragile implementation of count. :) Sorry, I purposefully made it a kludge as that is usually the way the example is shown in most tutorials about class methods.

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Stevan Little
Gordon, It just occurred to me that the system shown below could be re- written to do away with class methods entirely. class Host { my $.plugInClass; } role PlugIn { method initWithHost (Host $h:) { ... } } role FeatureA {} role FeatureB {} role FeatureC {} class AB { does

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Stevan Little
Larry, On Oct 11, 2005, at 8:47 PM, Larry Wall wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 06:10:41PM -0400, Stevan Little wrote: : Hello all. : : I would like to propose that class methods do not get inherited along : normal class lines. I think most class methods should be written as submethods

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Stevan Little
Gordon, On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Gordon Henriksen wrote: Actually, I wondered why you didn't suggest this earlier. :) I figured you were a step ahead of me: What if I want more than a boolean out of my class method? Then you put the class methods back in :) But then your Objective-C

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Stevan Little
Gordon, On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Gordon Henriksen wrote: On Oct 12, 2005, at 09:41, Stevan Little wrote: If you use the BUILD submethod, then you never need to worry about a that, everything is initialized for you by BUILDALL. Now, if you want to have a constructor which accepts

Re: Roles and Trust

2005-10-12 Thread Ovid
--- Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about: my method SCALAR::attributes($self:) { $$self } my method HASH::attributes(%self:) { %self.kv } my method ARRAY::attributes(@self:) { [EMAIL PROTECTED] } method _attributes($attrs) { my @attributes = $attrs.attributes

Re: Sane (less insane) pair semantics

2005-10-12 Thread Ingo Blechschmidt
Hi, TSa wrote: Ingo Blechschmidt wrote: Exactly. I'd like to add that, under the proposal, you always know what things are passed how, only by looking for a *. foo $var;# always positionally, even if $var isa Pair foo *$pair; # always named But where is the name? Is it

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Gordon Henriksen
On Oct 12, 2005, at 09:41, Stevan Little wrote: If you use the BUILD submethod, then you never need to worry about a that, everything is initialized for you by BUILDALL. Now, if you want to have a constructor which accepts positional arguments rather than named pairs (as the default does),

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread chromatic
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 12:00 -0400, Stevan Little wrote: Usefulness aside, why do Roles and Classes need to be seperate beasts? In the current meta-model prototype, the role system is laid atop the class system so that the following is true: Class is an instance of Class Role is an

What the heck is a submethod (good for)

2005-10-12 Thread Luke Palmer
Okay, I seriously have to see an example of a submethod in use. BUILD etc. don't count. Why? Because: class Foo { method BUILD () { say foo } } class Bar is Foo { submethod BUILD () { say bar } } class Baz is Bar { } Foo.new; # foo Bar.new; #

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Gordon Henriksen
Actually, I wondered why you didn't suggest this earlier. :) I figured you were a step ahead of me: What if I want more than a boolean out of my class method? On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:27, Stevan Little wrote: Gordon, It just occurred to me that the system shown below could be re- written

Re: What the heck is a submethod (good for)

2005-10-12 Thread Damian Conway
Luke wrote: Okay, I seriously have to see an example of a submethod in use. class Driver::Qualified { method drive { print Brrrm brrrm! } } class Driver::Disqualified is Driver { submethod drive { die .name(), not allowed to drive

Re: What the heck is a submethod (good for)

2005-10-12 Thread Yuval Kogman
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 05:42:31 +1000, Damian Conway wrote: Luke wrote: Okay, I seriously have to see an example of a submethod in use. class Driver::Qualified { method drive { print Brrrm brrrm! } } class Driver::Disqualified is Driver

Closed Classes Polemic (was Re: What the heck is a submethod (good for))

2005-10-12 Thread chromatic
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 21:50 +0200, Yuval Kogman wrote: This has even more implications with closed classes to which you don't have source level access, and if this can happen it will happen - i'm pretty sure that some commercial database vendors would release closed source DBDs, for example.

Complex types

2005-10-12 Thread Sam Vilain
Hi all, Is it intentional that S09 lists unboxed complex types, but equivalent Boxed types are missing from the Types section in S06? Sam.

Re: Closed Classes Polemic (was Re: What the heck is a submethod (good for))

2005-10-12 Thread Rob Kinyon
On 10/12/05, chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 21:50 +0200, Yuval Kogman wrote: This has even more implications with closed classes to which you don't have source level access, and if this can happen it will happen - i'm pretty sure that some commercial database

Re: Complex types

2005-10-12 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 09:43:15AM +1300, Sam Vilain wrote: : Hi all, : : Is it intentional that S09 lists unboxed complex types, but equivalent : Boxed types are missing from the Types section in S06? Nope. Larry

Re: Complex types

2005-10-12 Thread Autrijus Tang
Larry Wall wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 09:43:15AM +1300, Sam Vilain wrote: : Hi all, : : Is it intentional that S09 lists unboxed complex types, but equivalent : Boxed types are missing from the Types section in S06? Nope. As it's a trivial omission, I went ahead and changed S06.pod

Re: Closed Classes Polemic (was Re: What the heck is a submethod (good for))

2005-10-12 Thread Luke Palmer
On 10/12/05, Rob Kinyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus, I can't imagine that a reverser for Parrot code is going to be that hard to write. Disassembling register machine code is significantly more difficult than disassembling stack machine code. That said, if the level of introspective

Re: multiline comments

2005-10-12 Thread Alfie John
It was just kind of a pain because you had to put a =cut after the =end, and because you had to put paragraph spaces between everything. We're getting rid of both of those restrictions. Excellent! That's what was really bugging me. I'm really glad that is changing :) Thanks, Alfie

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon
Stevan Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to propose that class methods do not get inherited along normal class lines. I think you're not thinking about many major usage cases for class methods. For one example, look at my Cipher suite. (It's in Pugs's ext/Cipher directory.) The

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Rob Kinyon
All - I'm partly to blame for this thread because I put the idea into Steve's head that class methods being inheritable may be dogma and not a useful thing. Mea culpa. That said, I want to put forward a possible reason why you would want class methods to be inheritable - to provide pure

Re: Proposal to make class method non-inheritable

2005-10-12 Thread Stevan Little
Brent, On Oct 11, 2005, at 8:17 PM, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote: Stevan Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to propose that class methods do not get inherited along normal class lines. I think you're not thinking about many major usage cases for class methods. Actually I