What the heck is... wrong with Parrot development?

2005-06-06 Thread anonymous coward
It's a funny old world...
wrote Dan Sugalski on June 04, 2005 in his Squawks of the Parrot blog.
Go and see: http://www.sidhe.org/~dan/blog/archives/000400.html.

Hence the subject.

What the heck is wrong with Parrot development?


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Re: What the heck is... wrong with Parrot development?

2005-06-06 Thread Fagyal Csongor

Larry,


On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 04:31:01PM +0200, anonymous coward wrote:
: It's a funny old world...
: wrote Dan Sugalski on June 04, 2005 in his Squawks of the Parrot blog.
: Go and see: http://www.sidhe.org/~dan/blog/archives/000400.html.
: 
: Hence the subject.
: 
: What the heck is wrong with Parrot development?


I can't comment on aspects I am in all likelihood blind to, but I'll
be glad to point out that one of the most *irritating* problems
is people who snipe from the sidelines without having earned the
right to do so by contributing.  Dan has earned the right to carp,
and deserves our respect for refusing to vent (much) in public, but
anonymous cowards are generally just interested in making trouble
without being held accountable.  Feel free to prove otherwise.
 

With all respect, I think this is a very important thing which needs 
attention, and I hope that you will help us to clarify the situation. I 
am pretty sure Dan did not leave because he had a bad day - we know he 
is a much more serious person. I also think that the community does not 
ask you to tell us what is happening - your mind is worth more than that 
to us :-) However, it is vital to know if there were issues that should 
worry us. I hope someone will come forth and talk about these underlying 
problems most of us do not know about - and then your role, if you 
accepted it, could be to tell us if that brave person is authentic or not.


Of course it would be best if this person were Dan himself, but I (hope 
that I) understand his motives, so if he choses not to tell, let it be 
that way, he has indeed earned the right do do so. I know noone asked 
*my* opinion, and obviously I have no right to make any waves  here, but 
what I can say is if there were personal problems that led to this 
parting - I mean the anonymous cowards you mentioned -, while that is 
*very-very* bad and sad, it still sounds better to me than, say, knowing 
that Parrot development might fall into the hands of those who will 
scr*w it up. Apart from the tremendous amount of work and enthusiasm 
that went into creating Perl6/Pugs/Parrot, business decisions will be 
(if not are being) made on the (predicted) success of Perl6.


I have many things to worry about - it goes with working in IT. Please 
someone let me know if there is one more unpredictable thing in the 
future or not :-)


- Fagzal


Re: What the heck is... wrong with Parrot development?

2005-06-06 Thread Sam Vilain

Fagyal Csongor wrote:
With all respect, I think this is a very important thing which needs 
attention, and I hope that you will help us to clarify the situation. I 
am pretty sure Dan did not leave because he had a bad day - we know he 


Dan's position was very stressful, he had people from all sides trying to
tear him down, even though many were also propping him up and he has a
great level of skill.

However, to altercate on the hows and whys of his action is premature; I
suggest a moratorium on such debate for at least as long as he was the
project leader, for correct perspective.

Please honour his decision to bow out gracefully without turning it into
a childish battle of egos.

In the meantime let us celebrate 5 years of Dan Sugalski's contribution
to the Parrot and Perl 6 project.

Three cheers for Dan!

Sam.


Re: What the heck is... wrong with Parrot development?

2005-06-06 Thread Uri Guttman
 SV == Sam Vilain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


  SV Please honour his decision to bow out gracefully without turning it into
  SV a childish battle of egos.

  SV In the meantime let us celebrate 5 years of Dan Sugalski's contribution
  SV to the Parrot and Perl 6 project.

  SV Three cheers for Dan!

hear! hear!!

uri

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