Re: Update on Larry's talk

2000-10-12 Thread Piers Cawley

Nathan Wiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Nathan Torkington wrote:
  
$als_keynote = Dumper($Larry-perl6_design);
 
 snicker
 
package Sympathy; 
sub create { print "We're behind you, $_!\n" }
 
package main;
create Sympathy because = RFCs for Larry;
 
 
 Heh, it actually works, too. :-)
 
 -Nate
 
 P.S. Do we need a perl6-poetry? ;-)

Not if that's an example of it.

-- 
Piers




Re: Reading list

2000-10-12 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 12:09:02AM -0700, Carlos Ramirez wrote:
 The Perl Recommended Reading List has been updated with the latest
 entries.
 
 Suggestions/Comments welcomed.

Very nice, both in layout and in function (particularly the comparison
prices).

There's a danger that the list of booksellers could get unwieldy.
Would it be an idea to add amazon.co.uk to the list, (swap .com with .co.uk
in the URL I'm told) so that anyone in the UK can buy books supporting the
perl mongers without the shipping delay from the states). Or is this
already too much, as amazon.de if not amazon.fr should also go in?

Nicholas Clark



Re: Reading list

2000-10-12 Thread H . Merijn Brand

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:56:00 -0700, Carlos Ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here's a listing of 'recommended reading' gathered from this list
 (provided by Nat). I'm not sure if this will be a permanent place for
 this link, but for now you can get it here. If i left out a book or if
 you have a new suggestion you can contact me or post it here and I will
 add them as soon as i can.
 
 http://www.perldoc.com/readinglist.pl
 
This one's double:

Compilers,Principles, Techniques and Tools
By: Sethi, Ravi / Aho, Alfred V . / Ullman, Jeffrey D . / Addison Wesley
ISBN: 0201100886
prices:
Fatbrain $69.00 | 
Borders $60.00 | 
Amazon $69.00 | 
Barnes  Noble $68.75 |
 
Compilers: Principles, Techniques and Tools.
By:  Sethi, Ravi / Aho, Alfred V . / Ullman, Jeffrey D . / Addison Wesley
ISBN: 0201100886
prices:
Borders $60.00 | 
Fatbrain $69.00 | 
Amazon $69.00 | 
Barnes  Noble $68.75 |

-- 
H.Merijn Brand   Amsterdam Perl Mongers (http://www.amsterdam.pm.org/)
using perl-5.005.03, 5.6.0, 5.7.1  516 on HP-UX 10.20  11.00, AIX 4.2  4.3,
 DEC OSF/1 4.0 and WinNT 4.0 SP-6a,  often with Tk800.022 and/or DBD-Unify
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/languages/perl/CPAN/authors/id/H/HM/HMBRAND/




Re: Reading list

2000-10-12 Thread Clayton Scott

Carlos Ramirez wrote:
 
 Here's a listing of 'recommended reading' gathered from this list
 (provided by Nat). I'm not sure if this will be a permanent place for
 this link, but for now you can get it here. If i left out a book or if
 you have a new suggestion you can contact me or post it here and I will
 add them as soon as i can.
 
 http://www.perldoc.com/readinglist.pl

Introduction to Algorithms 
By: Cormen, Thomas H. / Leiserson, Charles E. / Et Al. / McGraw-Hill 
ISBN: 0070131430

Fatbrain says they cannot get this book but to see at ISBN 0262031418
It seems to be the same book but has a higher price and 
(Mit Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Series) appended 
to the title.


- Clayton



Re: Reading list

2000-10-12 Thread Dan Sugalski

At 09:06 AM 10/12/00 -0400, Clayton Scott wrote:
Carlos Ramirez wrote:
 
  Here's a listing of 'recommended reading' gathered from this list
  (provided by Nat). I'm not sure if this will be a permanent place for
  this link, but for now you can get it here. If i left out a book or if
  you have a new suggestion you can contact me or post it here and I will
  add them as soon as i can.
 
  http://www.perldoc.com/readinglist.pl

Introduction to Algorithms
By: Cormen, Thomas H. / Leiserson, Charles E. / Et Al. / McGraw-Hill
ISBN: 0070131430

Fatbrain says they cannot get this book but to see at ISBN 0262031418
It seems to be the same book but has a higher price and
(Mit Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Series) appended
to the title.

That second ISBN is the one off the copy I got a month or so ago. Ran ~$80 
US, IIRC.

Dan

--"it's like this"---
Dan Sugalski  even samurai
[EMAIL PROTECTED] have teddy bears and even
  teddy bears get drunk




Re: Reading list

2000-10-12 Thread Mark-Jason Dominus


 Here's a listing of 'recommended reading' gathered from this list
 (provided by Nat). 

It seems a little strange that 'Lord of the Rings' is not on the list.




Re: Reading list

2000-10-12 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 02:42:24PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
 This one's double:
 
 Compilers,Principles, Techniques and Tools
 Compilers: Principles, Techniques and Tools.

You should read it twice.

-- 
IBM Pollyanna Principle:
Machines should work.  People should think.



Re: Reading list

2000-10-12 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 11:57:49AM -0400, Mark-Jason Dominus wrote:
 
  Here's a listing of 'recommended reading' gathered from this list
  (provided by Nat). 
 
 It seems a little strange that 'Lord of the Rings' is not on the list.

I would advise against buying the "Millennium Edition" if you want decent
quality books. The "hardback" is paperback sized with cheap binding
(school library used to rebind paperbacks in this style because getting
someone to do this by hand was cheaper than buying a hardback), printed on
cheap pulp-fiction type paper, with poor quality printing on some pages.
I sent it back.

Nicholas Clark



Re: Reading list

2000-10-12 Thread H . Merijn Brand

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:57:09 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 02:42:24PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
  This one's double:
  
  Compilers,Principles, Techniques and Tools
  Compilers: Principles, Techniques and Tools.
 
 You should read it twice.

And pay twice? (Same ISBN).

-- 
H.Merijn Brand   Amsterdam Perl Mongers (http://www.amsterdam.pm.org/)
using perl-5.005.03, 5.6.0, 5.7.1  516 on HP-UX 10.20  11.00, AIX 4.2  4.3,
 DEC OSF/1 4.0 and WinNT 4.0 SP-6a,  often with Tk800.022 and/or DBD-Unify
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/languages/perl/CPAN/authors/id/H/HM/HMBRAND/




Re: Reading list

2000-10-12 Thread Dan Sugalski

At 03:56 AM 10/11/00 -0700, Carlos Ramirez wrote:
Here's a listing of 'recommended reading' gathered from this list
(provided by Nat). I'm not sure if this will be a permanent place for
this link, but for now you can get it here. If i left out a book or if
you have a new suggestion you can contact me or post it here and I will
add them as soon as i can.

http://www.perldoc.com/readinglist.pl

This is nicely done, and thanks.

There are two things I was hoping to add to the list: short reasons as to 
*why* a particular book is on the p6 reading list (The ones on for distinct 
reasons, like Understanding Comics or Garbage Collection, I'd like 
differentiated from general CS texts), and categories of books so we can 
separate the project management from the theory from the general background 
texts, and suchlike.

Doable?

Dan

--"it's like this"---
Dan Sugalski  even samurai
[EMAIL PROTECTED] have teddy bears and even
  teddy bears get drunk




Re: Reading list

2000-10-12 Thread Tim Jenness

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Clayton Scott wrote:

 Introduction to Algorithms 
 By: Cormen, Thomas H. / Leiserson, Charles E. / Et Al. / McGraw-Hill 
 ISBN: 0070131430
 
 Fatbrain says they cannot get this book but to see at ISBN 0262031418
 It seems to be the same book but has a higher price and 
 (Mit Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Series) appended 
 to the title.
 

Amazon list 3 versions, 2 available now (McGraw Hill: ISBN: 0070131430 and
MIT Press; ISBN: 0262031418) and a new edition to be published in July
2001 (ISBN: 0070131511)

-- 
Tim Jenness
JCMT software engineer/Support scientist
http://www.jach.hawaii.edu/~timj





Re: Reading list

2000-10-12 Thread Carlos Ramirez

This sounds very doable. I will include the why's of why the
book was recommended (basically a copy of the submitter's 
comments). Categorizing sounds like a good idea. If
the list grows any longer, we'll be scrolling for years.
The categories you suggested looks like a good start:
Project Management, Theory and General. It'll be best to keep 
the category list to a very minimum. So if anyone has a better
category list please post your suggestions before I get home
and start implementing my templates ;)

-Carlos


--Original Message--
From: Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Carlos Ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: October 12, 2000 4:23:29 PM GMT
Subject: Re: Reading list


At 03:56 AM 10/11/00 -0700, Carlos Ramirez wrote:
Here's a listing of 'recommended reading' gathered from this list
(provided by Nat). I'm not sure if this will be a permanent place for
this link, but for now you can get it here. If i left out a book or if
you have a new suggestion you can contact me or post it here and I will
add them as soon as i can.

http://www.perldoc.com/readinglist.pl

This is nicely done, and thanks.

There are two things I was hoping to add to the list: short reasons as to 
*why* a particular book is on the p6 reading list (The ones on for distinct 
reasons, like Understanding Comics or Garbage Collection, I'd like 
differentiated from general CS texts), and categories of books so we can 
separate the project management from the theory from the general background 
texts, and suchlike.

Doable?

Dan

--"it's like this"---
Dan Sugalski  even samurai
[EMAIL PROTECTED] have teddy bears and even
  teddy bears get drunk





On Working groups, WGC, etc.

2000-10-12 Thread Adam Turoff

The FreeBSD Core team has just finished electing their next core team.

Only "significant" contributors to the project were allowed to vote, and 
those elected hold office for a fixed term (two years).  The Core Team 
of nine members determine the project's goals and directions.

Many open source projects seem to work in a similar manner.

Announcement of the election:
  http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=1263

[Old] Core Team description:
  http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/staff.html

Contributors (e.g. Cast of Thousands):
  http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/staff-committers.html

List of responsible parties:
  http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/staff-who.html

Z.