Re: [OT] Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-07-03 Thread David L. Nicol
Stephen Zander wrote: > OpenSource. Try writing a second Perl implementation from scratch. Well it's a dicier proposition that writing a Fortran or COBOL implementation from scratch, but it's Not Intractable. The next assertion might come as a small shock to you but Larry isn't god. Topaz wo

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-07-02 Thread Abigail
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 06:59:07PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > As a Solaris gal, this might all seem perfectly sensible. Myself, I'm > doubly screwed running Linux (which is not Windows or Solaris) on a > PowerPC (which is not Intel or Sparc). Sun might have perfectly valid > business r

[OT] Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-07-02 Thread Stephen Zander
> "schwern" == schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: schwern> Sun doesn't give out its JDK source code freely, they schwern> have all sorts of restrictions. If I wanted to port the schwern> JDK I can do it, but I need special permission from Sun schwern> to distribute it. This

Re: [OT] Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread Me
All, of course, imho: > Were something dreadful to happen to Larry and his estate chose to > change the licensing terms of the current *implementation* Well they can only do that to a copy of their own, not existing copies. While the law isn't clear on a lot of nuances related to more complex o

Re: [OT] Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Stephen Zander [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *> *>Speaking as someone with feet firmly in both camps (I'm a Blackdown *>member and the Debian maintainer for the jdk and some of the largest *>perl modules in that distribution), IMNSHO the fatal assumption made *>by millions of people is that Java is O

Re: [OT] Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread schwern
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 01:49:45PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote: > Perl's great blessing is also it's great curse; there's a single > implementation and that *implementation* happens to be OpenSource. > Try writing a second Perl implementation from scratch. Fortunately, we don't have to. :) Perl

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread schwern
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 11:57:42AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > If Java sucks to install on some boutique/niche platforms it > could mean that a) noone has told them about the issues I can't even conceive they're not accutely aware. > b) noone in the FreeBSD/Linux world has taken it upon

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
ith waiting for a driver. The same could be said for the FreeBSD and even Solaris on Intel. It takes time. *>There are always improvements to be made, even with Perl. But where *>we are today, Perl doesn't suck. For you. It probably does suck for some people which is why we should be glad

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread Adam Turoff
ade easier. We're working on it. There are always improvements to be made, even with Perl. But where we are today, Perl doesn't suck. Z. *: What good is that multi-billion dollar business doing? Who knows. What good is that little guy doing? Who knows, but it might be the next version of the OED, a realtime snapshot of the company's P&L, or satellite data that reaches you quicker.

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-29 Thread Chip Turner
Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 05:29:53PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > > Not all OS, though most, have Perl in the base install and those that do > > even have problems. Config.pm has issues on HP and Sun, RedHat has spotty > > RPMs that occsaionall

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-29 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 05:29:53PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > Not all OS, though most, have Perl in the base install and those that do > even have problems. Config.pm has issues on HP and Sun, RedHat has spotty > RPMs that occsaionally go awry. That's their fault. Find a better distrib

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-29 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 06:51:33PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > *>That's their fault. Find a better distribution. > > There are a lot of Solaris 8 users out there and to have a broken OEM Perl > is not optimal. That response would not be well received. If distributes a broken Perl with

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-29 Thread Christopher Masto
Having gone through much the same pain a couple of weeks ago (although I just broke down and installed the linux-jdk-1.3.1 port after Sun's web site told me to come back later), I eagerly await a pure-Perl replacement for FOP (http://xml.apache.org/fop/index.html)). -- Christopher Masto S

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-29 Thread Adam Turoff
gt;Worst-case-to-worst-case, Perl doesn't suck, and it's doing much > *>better than Java. I wonder which is easier to support post-install. > > Perl can suck and often does for the newcomer who, when faced with trying > to wade through all the XML modules on CPAN trying t

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-29 Thread Adam Turoff
r temporary disk space measured in quarter gigabytes. Worst-case-to-worst-case, Perl doesn't suck, and it's doing much better than Java. I wonder which is easier to support post-install. Z.

Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-27 Thread Adam Turoff
What follows is a long, detailed summary of an attempt to install JDK 1.2.2 on FreeBSD today. FreeBSD/JDK 1.2.2 is an unsupported configuration for Sun, although patches exist to get the JDK to work under FreeBSD. Skip to the last two paragraphs if you want to see how this installation compares