Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal

[Stephen Weeks]

On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:43 +0100, Carl Mäsak wrote:
> Stephen (>):
> > Use of the gimel[1] character comes from Justin Simoni's logo design
> > proposal[2] from a while back, and the design is a reference to the
> > anarchist symbol[3].
> 
> It also looks like a reference to another programming language.
> 
>  
> 
> Lambda in a circle. We don't surround our letter with mathematical
> symbols, but the similarity is still there.
> 
> // Carl

Not anymore.  As you can see here:
http://www.haskell.org/logos/results.html the new haskell logo is
http://haskell.org/logos/logos/logo7000.png , roughly spelled >λ= 

Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal

[Greg Donald]

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Ross Kendall  wrote:
> This was a joke, wasn't it?

http://static.destiney.com/perl6_logo.png

(Speaking of jokes)



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Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal

[Ross Kendall]

This was a joke, wasn't it?

Conrad Schneiker wrote:
>> Why not taking a camel with 6 humps?
>>
>> Just joking, could not resist. :-)
>> 
>
> You want 6 humps? 
>
> I'll give you 6 humps!
>
> Check this out:
>
> http://www.athenalab.com/Rakudo_logo.htm
>
> Best regards,
> Conrad
>
> Conrad Schneiker
> www.AthenaLab.com
>
>
>   

RE: Rakduo Logo Proposal

[Conrad Schneiker]

> From: Steffen Schwigon [mailto:s...@renormalist.net]

> Why not taking a camel with 6 humps?
> 
> Just joking, could not resist. :-)

You want 6 humps? 

I'll give you 6 humps!

Check this out:

http://www.athenalab.com/Rakudo_logo.htm

Best regards,
Conrad

Conrad Schneiker
www.AthenaLab.com

Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal

[Timothy S. Nelson]

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Steffen Schwigon wrote:


Hi!

Why not taking a camel with 6 humps?

Just joking, could not resist. :-)


	Does that mean that "Alice" should be the standard name in all Perl 6 
examples?


:)


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Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal

[Steffen Schwigon]

Hi!

Why not taking a camel with 6 humps?

Just joking, could not resist. :-)

Steffen
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Dresden Perl Mongers 
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Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal

[Timothy S. Nelson]

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Matthew Walton wrote:


On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:43 +0100, Carl Mäsak wrote:

Stephen (>):

Use of the gimel[1] character comes from Justin Simoni's logo design
proposal[2] from a while back, and the design is a reference to the
anarchist symbol[3].


It also looks like a reference to another programming language.

 

Lambda in a circle. We don't surround our letter with mathematical
symbols, but the similarity is still there.

// Carl


Exactly what I was thinking. It looks far too similar to the Haskell
logo, IMO. My first thought was 'that's a lambda'.


	This is one of the problems with using a gimel (not that I'm saying we 
shouldn't).  At least for most non-Hebrew-speaking folk, the symbol "gimel" is 
not taking up a large allographic space(?) in their heads.  That's probably 
the wrong words, so I'll give an example.  We recognise the letter "A" whether 
it's upper or lower case, but more particularly, whether it's plain, serifed, 
Blackletter, cursive, highly decorated, or whatever.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackletter

	The letter Gimel, on the other hand, I could probably recognise if it 
were written in one of the script typefaces, but as soon as it deviates from 
the narrow range of what I'm used to as a "gimel", I immediately start 
thinking of it as a lambda, an 'A', or something else.


	I also agree with not wanting to be associated with anarchists :), and 
suggest that it would be best to avoid both political and religious symbols, 
as politics and religion are the two subjects that were at one point in time 
banished from the dinner-table in genteel society as being too controversial.



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Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal

[Matthew Walton]

On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:43 +0100, Carl Mäsak wrote:
> Stephen (>):
> > Use of the gimel[1] character comes from Justin Simoni's logo design
> > proposal[2] from a while back, and the design is a reference to the
> > anarchist symbol[3].
> 
> It also looks like a reference to another programming language.
> 
>  
> 
> Lambda in a circle. We don't surround our letter with mathematical
> symbols, but the similarity is still there.
> 
> // Carl

Exactly what I was thinking. It looks far too similar to the Haskell
logo, IMO. My first thought was 'that's a lambda'.


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Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal

[Carl Mäsak]

Stephen (>):
> Use of the gimel[1] character comes from Justin Simoni's logo design
> proposal[2] from a while back, and the design is a reference to the
> anarchist symbol[3].

It also looks like a reference to another programming language.

 

Lambda in a circle. We don't surround our letter with mathematical
symbols, but the similarity is still there.

// Carl

Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal

[Dan Stephenson]

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:37:18 -0400, Smylers  wrote:


Stephen Weeks writes:

That could cause some awkwardness in getting Perl 6 accepted by those
with different political persuasions.  Perl 6 has no political views
(well, outside the narrow field of programming language design, which
isn't considered a field of politics by most major parties), so it
wouldn't be beneficial to give the perception of any poliical links,
even inadvertently.



Is it possible you're looking kinda deeply into this?  I rather like it

Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal

[Guy Hulbert]

On Wed, 2009-18-03 at 10:37 +, Smylers wrote:
> Stephen Weeks writes:
> 
> > http://pleasedieinafire.net/~tene/logo/gimelanarchy.html
> > 
> > The main association for me, with the reference to the anarchist
> > symbol, is that we've kept going and produced something good despite
> > the large sentiment of "You're taking too long, you'll never succeed,
> > etc." out there.  Others include the somewhat chaotic state of Perl 6
> > development at times, the loose and informal organization in Perl 6
> > development, etc.
> 
> I see what you're getting at there, but obviously if chosen the logo
> would be seen by people who're unaware of your explanation of the
> analogy, and so there's a risk they'd see a more literal link with a
> particular political movement.
> 
> That could cause some awkwardness in getting Perl 6 accepted by those
> with different political persuasions.  Perl 6 has no political views

I thought it was a peace sign until I checked the wiki link below.

Serif gimel looks like a lambda to me ... one of the script versions
would be better.

I don't like the logo itself ... too messy.

However, I have no problem with the idea[*] and I don't think a
well-designed logo should cause political problems.  Licensing does the
trick nicely there.

[*] Except that a gimel in a circle is not really distinctive enough.

> (well, outside the narrow field of programming language design, which
> isn't considered a field of politics by most major parties), so it
> wouldn't be beneficial to give the perception of any poliical links,
> even inadvertently.
> 
> Smylers
> 
> > 
> > Just an idea.  Please discuss.
> > 
> > [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimel#Hebrew_Gimel
> > [2]: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.users/2009/01/msg938.html
> > [3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism
> 
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Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal

[Smylers]

Stephen Weeks writes:

> http://pleasedieinafire.net/~tene/logo/gimelanarchy.html
> 
> The main association for me, with the reference to the anarchist
> symbol, is that we've kept going and produced something good despite
> the large sentiment of "You're taking too long, you'll never succeed,
> etc." out there.  Others include the somewhat chaotic state of Perl 6
> development at times, the loose and informal organization in Perl 6
> development, etc.

I see what you're getting at there, but obviously if chosen the logo
would be seen by people who're unaware of your explanation of the
analogy, and so there's a risk they'd see a more literal link with a
particular political movement.

That could cause some awkwardness in getting Perl 6 accepted by those
with different political persuasions.  Perl 6 has no political views
(well, outside the narrow field of programming language design, which
isn't considered a field of politics by most major parties), so it
wouldn't be beneficial to give the perception of any poliical links,
even inadvertently.

Smylers

> 
> Just an idea.  Please discuss.
> 
> [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimel#Hebrew_Gimel
> [2]: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.users/2009/01/msg938.html
> [3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism