Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-11 Thread Brandon Denton via petsc-users
sers mailto:petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov>> Subject: Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 2:09 PM Brandon Denton mailto:blden...@buffalo.edu>> wrote: Thank you for the discussion. Are we agreed then that the derivatives of

Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-11 Thread Matthew Knepley
way. I would much prefer that to explicit inclusion of the basis. Thanks, Matt > *From:* Matthew Knepley > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2023 3:13 PM > *To:* Brandon Denton > *Cc:* Jed Brown ; petsc-users > *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG &g

Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-11 Thread Brandon Denton via petsc-users
parameter. I'd love to talk with you about this is more detail. From: Matthew Knepley Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 3:13 PM To: Brandon Denton Cc: Jed Brown ; petsc-users Subject: Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-11 Thread Matthew Knepley
-- > *From:* Jed Brown > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2023 1:38 PM > *To:* Matthew Knepley > *Cc:* Brandon Denton ; petsc-users < > petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov> > *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG > Stabilization > > Matthew

Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-11 Thread Brandon Denton via petsc-users
Knepley Cc: Brandon Denton ; petsc-users Subject: Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization Matthew Knepley writes: > On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 1:03 PM Jed Brown wrote: > >> I don't see an attachment, but his thesis used conservative variables and >> de

Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-11 Thread Jed Brown
Matthew Knepley writes: > On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 1:03 PM Jed Brown wrote: > >> I don't see an attachment, but his thesis used conservative variables and >> defined an effective length scale in a way that seemed to assume constant >> shape function gradients. I'm not aware of systematic

Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-11 Thread Matthew Knepley
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 1:03 PM Jed Brown wrote: > I don't see an attachment, but his thesis used conservative variables and > defined an effective length scale in a way that seemed to assume constant > shape function gradients. I'm not aware of systematic literature comparing > the covariant

Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-11 Thread Jed Brown
I don't see an attachment, but his thesis used conservative variables and defined an effective length scale in a way that seemed to assume constant shape function gradients. I'm not aware of systematic literature comparing the covariant and contravariant length measures on anisotropic meshes,

Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-11 Thread Brandon Denton via petsc-users
I was thinking about trying to implement Ben Kirk's approach to Navier-Stokes (see attached paper; Section 5). His approach uses these quantities to align the orientation of the unstructured element/cell with the fluid velocity to apply the stabilization/upwinding and to detect shocks. If you

Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-11 Thread Matthew Knepley
On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 9:34 PM Brandon Denton via petsc-users < petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov> wrote: > Good Evening, > > I am looking to implement a form of Navier-Stokes with SUPG Stabilization > and shock capturing using PETSc's FEM infrastructure. In this > implementation, I need access to the

Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-10 Thread Brandon Denton via petsc-users
. From: Jed Brown Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 10:18 PM To: Brandon Denton ; petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov Subject: Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization Do you want to write a new code using only PETSc or would you be up for collaborating on ceed-fluids, which is a high

Re: [petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-10 Thread Jed Brown
Do you want to write a new code using only PETSc or would you be up for collaborating on ceed-fluids, which is a high-performance compressible SUPG solver based on DMPlex with good GPU support? It uses the metric to compute covariant length for stabilization. We have YZƁ shock capturing, though

[petsc-users] FEM Implementation of NS with SUPG Stabilization

2023-10-10 Thread Brandon Denton via petsc-users
Good Evening, I am looking to implement a form of Navier-Stokes with SUPG Stabilization and shock capturing using PETSc's FEM infrastructure. In this implementation, I need access to the cell's shape function gradients and natural coordinate gradients for calculations within the point-wise