t restriction on insertions.
SQL_ASCII does not represent a positive claim that the database knows
all the characters to be 7 bit characters. It represents instead the
complete absence of any encoding knowledge. Inserting high-bit
characters into a database using the SQL_ASCII character set may hav
without OIDs, which
will stave off your problem for a while. That'd probably even help
if the database mostly just grows, depending (of course) on where the
growth is.
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Information security isn't a technological problem. I
or that matter,
dissatisfactory) about Slony? I expect the developers would like to
know.
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against all taxes for raising money to pay it off.
--Alex
On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 06:19:16PM -0600, Kevin Grittner wrote:
> the moment aren't sure. The current machines are "transitional",
> and it may not be too late to set the permanent servers up with ECC
> memory. Is it something I should fight for?
Yes. Always.
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take a _long_ time to complete (depending how big oyur
database is), and (as I noted) it will cause your application not to
work while it's going on.
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"The year's penultimate month" is not in truth a good way of saying
November.
hers who've reported
it works (and it ought to, if the snapshots work as advertised --
just be sure you know what the snapshots actually are).
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ussed, I can't believe
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t it
_can_ use SSL, except that it doesn't have the ability to validate
via certs. So there'd be another potential use case for this. I
briefly toyed with trying to find someone to implement cert-based
authentication, but found I had other things more pressing (so the
TODO fell off the end
ot;psql dbname" and it hangs for a while. I'm still waiting. Any
> ideas?
What do your database logs say? I expect that you're in recovery
mode, but it's impossible to tell from this note.
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The fact that technology doesn&#
say, it's very bad news,
but it shouldn't actually corrupt the database.
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you told them to. That actually seems sort of quaint now.
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ut I haven't done any real analysis of it.
The main thing is, "Don't do vacuum full."
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;do VACUUM
FULL". These aren't the same thing. My bet is what you need is
vacuumdb -a
You've probably missed a database you don't know is there.
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Everything that happens in the world happens at some place.
ll need the (postgresql) password for the account in
question to do this.
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On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 09:48:45AM -0700, Sriram Dandapani wrote:
> Is there a quick way(other than vacuum full) to re-init the transaction
> ids. (I can afford some downtime)
You don't need a vacuum full. You just need a bog-standard vacuum,
but you need it _on every database_.
A
you think will happen while
vacuum is running. If it's a lot, you could pass the fatal point (==
you lose data) before vacuum finishes. In most cases, it's probably
ok, but only you can decide how dangerous it would be for you to lose
data.
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On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 10:00:31AM -0400, Mr. Dan wrote:
> right. We think postgres is using UTC-5 for some reason. We don't have
Why do you think that?
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runs only on 7.0 and 7.1 versions.
>
> I'm using pg 8.1.3 both sides, over linux.
>
> Do somebody has any tips?!?!
AFAIK, there isn't anything that does this today. There have been
various suggestions floated on how to emulate this with some
contortions using Slony, but
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 10:24:01AM +0800, Chan Michael wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for your info.
>
> Then in PostgreSQL 7.3 how can I use the WAL log to recover?
You can't. That's why it's a "new feature" in 8.0.
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You've set this up to rotate once every 10,080 minutes, no matter
what. If you've run into a file size limit, then you'll be out of
luck until the next file is opened, which should be on the same day
of the week the postmaster was last started. Just a guess.
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a
major pain to restore in the event of such corruption. In addition,
your recovery will only be to the last dump. That's why I suggest
replicating, either with Slony or something else, as a belt that will
nicely complement the suspenders of your shared-disc failover.
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u make, so that you don't have a garbage file to read.
As I said, I don't think that it's a bad idea to use this sort of
trick. I just think it's a poor single line of defence, because when
it fails, it fails hard.
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In the future thi
eak at the same time, and have a
recovery plan for it. I submit that a recovery plan of "restore from
pg_dump" is usually not going to be enough if it was worth the cost
and hassle of setting up shared disk failover. YMMV, of course.
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The fact
nd sleeps for a few seconds in between -- and
you shouldn't have this problem. But you'll need to VACUUM FULL or
dump and reload first.
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Windows is a platform without soap, where rats run around
in open sewers.
--Daniel Eran
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eployed systems. This happens to be true of commercial
offerings too (if not, you could buy the cheapest version of, say,
Oracle and get RAC in the bargain), but they _sell_ it to you as
though it were one big package. To the extent your managers don't
understand this, you're always
eSQL.
This is a very unfamiliar situation to most Oracle and some DB2
administrators, in my experience. The good ones, of course, have no
problem catching on; the bad ones never deserved the name DBA anyway
;-)
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t; TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ?
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> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
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ly) to your database without doing VACUUM? If you go to
single user mode and REINDEX that table you might find it helps.
Otherwise, I doubt they should be so large as a percentage, unless
you have an empty database with lots of columns with long names.
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On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 11:32:03AM +0200, Daniel Rubio wrote:
> How I could solve this?
Upgrade to 7.3 and use the schema support to do it for you.
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The program all builds for me.
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+1 416 646 3304 x110
e see the archives for the mailing list for erserver. They're
available at the erserver gborg site. In short, there is a bug in
the setup scripts, and you need to do some work by hand.
Instructions are in the archives.
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unds like you're worrying about something that you need not
worry about. It is totally normal for your OS to "use up" memory
that is not otherwise used. Why have it if it's not going to be
used?
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reproducable. I think Tom Lane is especially interested in
looking at cases like this; or he was last time I talked to him about
it.
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ea for fixing this data is wellcome. I will check the data
> inconsistent.
As I understand it, you need to zero out the file with dummy data in
order to get going again. You really need to plough the archives for
what to do, though. I've never had to do this.
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n -hackers archives you'll find several attempts to find a
solution to this little problem; all of them have failed so far,
AFAIK. There was talk of making the int4-to-int8 case behave more
reasonably in 7.4, but I don't know whether it's been done.
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> Its not. You should probably just get used to doing reply to all.
Or you can get a mail client that support "reply-to-list"
functionality. I seem to recall hearing rumours that pine will do
that. I know mutt does, because it's what I use.
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numbers are different... I guess it did take. huh.
No, that probably just means that there is more variability to runs
than people like to imagine.
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ust long
enough to catch up any changes. Of course, you need twice the disk,
which is a pain, but it's certainly not impossible.
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.
BTW, there's a list just for erserver. You'll probably get better
help there. I suggest noodling around the erserver site, because the
archive has an explanation of this.
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 07:29:42PM +0100, Gaetano Mendola wrote:
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> Seems that solaris is the worst choice for run Postgres.
>
> Am I completely wrong ?
Windows is worse ;-)
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r handling large numbers of processes. We get around that
by throwing hardware at the problem.
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log connections, and then trace back to see
who connected with that pid. There was some discussion about
improving this for 7.4, but I don't know if any of that was done.
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f them can know about other programs' semaphore use. You
probably need more available semaphores from your kernel.
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s in the
same order. They key to all this is understanding the implications
of lazy vacuum: tuples do not always stay in the same place on the
disk.
> If it is not the case, then you might need to sort each
> table dump before the diff.
Yes.
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-quality?
I don't think so.
Jan Wieck has a proposal for a new replication system which will
offer a trick for producing point in time as a side benefit. We are
aiming to have that software in use sooner rather than later, but it
hasn't been written yet.
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from a log.
No.
> (Is this to do with the recent Point-in-time recovery, and if so,
> will we have to wait for 7.5?)
Yes.
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he very reason 7.3.4 was released.
Upgrade.
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you'll
need to get some version of 7.3 running first.
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!
If you're upgrading via RPM, why not just do a regular RPM
installation? Doesn't that work? (Extracting binaries from RPMs and
doing other such things sounds like the way to break something.)
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On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 07:35:16PM +0200, Tsirkin Evgeny wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:23:08 -0500, Andrew Sullivan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I want to keep my configs.Of course i can save my postgresql.conf
> (and other files that i changed and don't curren
as the versions for other systems.
_Similar_, perhaps. If IBM's jfs on AIX does what it appears to do
on Linux occasionally, I'm going to be one very unhappy camper.
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I remember when computers were frustrating because they *did* exactly what
you told them to. Th
, they do hurt _quite substantially_ during
the checkpoint. If you need fast all the time, cranking that
interval too high will definitely hurt you.
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The fact that technology doesn't work is no bar to success in the marketplace.
and that SCSI has been, historically anyway, better at
dealing with parallel loads. This is because of the historical
design goals of the two different systems. Glib remarks about
misinformation are easy to make, but don't really help anyone make
decisions.
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th them, in fact, as its memory is limited by
the JVM limits.
The strategy is otherwise sound, though, and has even been used by,
uh, some of us.
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It looks like you need to initdb.
> Aborted
You need the locale support offered by the Red Hat system. Seems you
need ISO 8859-15. My bet is either that Mandrake's locale doesn't
support that, you don't have the right libs, or the binary you've
installed wasn't co
#x27;m not saying that master-slave systems are a bad idea, but you'd
better be aware of what you're exposing yourself to before
considering such hot-failover cases.
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itted transactions.
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--Dennis Ritchie
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able on the gborg site.
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http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html
ind a techno fix to the problem. (I still
like it that someone is spending some time on improving the crypto
stuff, though.)
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--Philip Greenspu
these data, nobody is actually going to be able to prevent such an
attacker anyway. All you can do is limit your own liability in
exposing data; and that means collecting as little (not as much) as
you can, and then further attempting to protect the data you actually
do collect.
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than erserver. You may also
want to watch the PITR project, which appears to be aiming to get
into 7.5.
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TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate
su
IBM RS/6000 (P650), and it is one fast machine. It's
sort of unfair to compare it to UltraSPARC II machines, but I
certainly am impressed as compared to Sun's E4500.
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In the future this spectacle of the middle classes shocking the avant-
garde
s multiple PostgreSQL databases at the same time. Not separate schema,
> but in different postgresql server.
Doesn't seem like much security if you're going to break it by
putting a back door in. But there's a contrib module called dblink
that will likely help you.
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NOT_ be "free"
> (again in their terms).
To be fair to the FSF, they have never claimed that the original BSD
license was not a free license. It just wasn't compatible with the
GPL, because of the advertising clause.
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here for some kinds of use (I think it
provides my employer with a great advantage), but it likely needs a
few more features to take the last steps.
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 03:32:27PM +, Bricklen wrote:
> Anyways, ss they say, "You get what you pay for".
This has not been my experience at all. The correlation between
software price and quality looks to me to be something very close to
random.
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k it's safe to say that it isn't
ready for that.
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--Brad H
t; have gone away in this version or I would have increased that as well.
>
Actually, this is a good thing: it means the logs are getting cleared
and available for re-use. But what I'm wondering is why you're going
through them so fast. What are you doing in this period?
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want to grovel through recentish archives (last 3 months or so)
for a post from Chris Browne. He posted a workaround for configure
woes on Sol 8, and I bet it'll work for 9 also.
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-h 127.0.0.1; if that works, you have a problem.
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TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your
joining column's datatypes do not match
t.
You'll probably want to send the output through a log rotator if you
increase the verbosity: multi-gig log files aren't so good.
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The plural of anecdote is not data.
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TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
ra_ IP address so that the web servers don't have to compete for
the bandwidth? In that case, sure, you'll probably get a minor
performance increase, depending on your current network traffic.
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On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:11:20PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> Depends on the NIC. If your running 100MBS Ether and put in 1GBS Ether or
> fiber, it would make a difference.
Not if you're not using 100 megs in the first place :)
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it for most cases.
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(send
nd for quite a while.
> BTW, thanks. I removed the --full option.
My bet is that will help matters.
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Usenet, please.
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I remember when computers were frustrating because they *did* exactly what
you told them to. That actually seems sort of quaint now.
--J.D. Baldwin
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mmense speed improvement by moving from
7.2.x to 7.4.x -- so much so that my QA guys didn't believe their
tests the first time, and ran them all again.
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Information security isn't a technological problem. It's an economics
problem.
vacuum has
the ability really to kill performance if it starts at the wrong
moment. You need something much more hand-crafted at the moment.
I'll bet, however, that vacuuming some tables more often than once a
day will still be a net win for you.
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This wor
replicate from 7.3.x -> 7.4.y (where x >2)
-- catch up
-- move set
We've had quite a few reports of big successes upgrading this way; it
works well if you have the disk space.
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This work was visionary and imaginative, and goes to show that vis
overy cost. In most 0+1 arrangements (I'm aware of none which
don't do this), you have to re-sync the entire thing in case you lose
even one drive. Performance really suffers at that point.
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I remember when computers were frustrating because they *d
y bet is you're
missing one. template1, perhaps?
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case it helps, we do have one system with
absolutely critical financial data in it, which we anticipate will be
a TB in not very long. Postgres has performed well for us so far,
thanks partly to the team of great DBAs I've been able to assemble.
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This
stem tools
to do this. I know you _can_, but I haven't done it recently on
Linux.
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On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 11:23:03AM +0100, Olivier Boissard wrote:
> I saw on the web that there is a contrib (pgcypto) but I can't estimate
> its efficiency
Well, it works for some people. What are you trying to accomplish
with "database encryption"?
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ee the full execution plan, plus
information about how long each step _actually_ takes.
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Users never remark, "Wow, this software may be buggy and hard
to use, but at least there is a lot of code underneath."
id you do any DDL with Slony installed, without using EXECUTE
SCRIPT?
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hiring people you can trust. But you could restrict
the subset of the data they can see using VIEWs.
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hiving backup method. When you
subscribe a datbaase, it automatically drops and recreates the target
from scratch. There has been some discussion of how to improve that,
but AFAIK nobody has written the support for it yet.
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A certain description of men are f
would be very interested to see a set-up that can actually
guarantee 99.99% uptime across a wide area link. What write speeds
do you need in the database? What is your tolerance for loss of
committed data?
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"The year's penultimate month" is
coast solutions, for instance, will make the latency such that
users will certainly be able to see it.)
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However important originality may be in some fields, restraint and
adherence to procedure emerge as the more significant virtues
tartup requirements on the slave.
Right, and the requirement was actually upped to 99.99%, which is
approximately 1 hour of allowable downtime a year. That is a very
high bar.
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Users never remark, "Wow, this software may be buggy and hard
to use, b
the cost
of maintenance outside the main transaction path is intrinsically
superior, because you don't have to pay it while your user is sitting
there waiting for you.
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The plural of anecdote is not data.
rmation about how many pages
it is recovering.
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"The year's penultimate month" is not in truth a good way of saying
November.
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have been increased in 18 hours.
> what's wrong with my PostgreSql Server?
Maybe nothing. How much data do you think you're putting in there?
What does VACUUM VERBOSE say, as I asked about -- are you getting a
lot of dead space?
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this suggests you don't have bloat on that table at least. So
it sounds to me like your disk use is going up because you have a lot
of data.
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ostgres.
Another trick, if the table is otherwise mostly static, is to do the
updating in a copy of the table, and then use the transactional DDL
features of postgres to change the table names.
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Everything that happens in the world happ
to do this
sort of thing, and breaking into groups of a couple thousand or so
really made the difference.
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Unfortunately reformatting the Internet is a little more painful
than reformatting your hard drive when it gets out of whack.
pty space
around for new data, which means you don't have to go down to the
filesystem to make the file bigger before you write it it. This is a
Good Thing.)
Please go back and run VACUUM VERBOSE on the table you killed the
vacuum on before.
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However
t.
I have the feeling, on the basis of this thread, that you need to
spend some more time with the manual.
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ixen as far as
> PostgreSQL goes?
As they say in alt.sysadmin.recovery, all operating systems suck.
They don't usually say, however, that AIX, when pronounced as a word, is
the only one that actually describes what it gives you.
All best,
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