Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 24/09/15 22:41, Geoff Winkless wrote: On 24 September 2015 at 11:33, Gavin Flower >wrote: An example from a book on PostgreSQL server programming that I'm working through (Note that it is obviously awkward to write with gender pronouns when g

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 24 September 2015 at 11:33, Gavin Flower wrote: > An example from a book on PostgreSQL server programming that I'm working > through (Note that it is obviously awkward to write with gender pronouns > when gender is irrelevant, note the "he she" in one place and "he/she" in > another!): > >

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

An example from a book on PostgreSQL server programming that I'm working through (Note that it is obviously awkward to write with gender pronouns when gender is irrelevant, note the "he she" in one place and "he/she" in another!): "If the user is a superuser, then he she has permission to

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 23/09/15 08:17, Christopher Browne wrote: [...] "The user should do [something]; he or she or it, or the cis/trans/asexual personage or connection used by a web application, whether written in C, Java, Perl, PHP, running on Windows or Unix or ..." as the increasing inclusions heads to some pa

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22 September 2015 at 21:22, David Steele wrote: > I think conversations like this are a part of why we have trouble > attracting new contributors (of any gender) to the community. > ​It's very clear that my use of the word (which I shan't make the mistake of repeating!) is not acceptable to m

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

> I think conversations like this are a part of why we have trouble attracting > new contributors (of any gender) to the community. +1 -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 9/22/15 11:00 AM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: On 09/22/2015 10:29 AM, Geoff Winkless wrote: ​ That's your opinion; my opinion remains otherwise. It's not "perfectly reasonable" to abuse the plural because some 1960s feminazis either misunderstood or didn't like the fact that (because of history) in

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22 September 2015 at 15:11, Robert Haas wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > Good point. In the 18th and 19th centuries it was deemed by some grammarians > > to be incorrect for some reason, (and yet Thackeray still used it in Vanity > > Fair, for instance) and

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

Wow, 1960s feminazis, eh? I originally thought you were just a narrow minded, pedantic and antiquated grammarian. Now I realize that's the least of your troubles. Please take your misogyny elsewhere. I hear the Rabid Puppies have openings. The term feminazi has zero business in this community.

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

Hello, - environment variable); any user can make such a change for his session. + environment variable); any user can make such a change for the session. Or + environment variable); any user can make such a change for the connected session. - allowed to change his session-

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 2015-09-22 20:33, Andrew Dunstan wrote: now some reactionaries and misogynists are fighting to maintain that somewhat latter day rule. That's almost as offensive a qualification as 'feminazi', don't you agree? And it rather makes the gender-avoidance sound as a political-correctness un

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > Good point. In the 18th and 19th centuries it was deemed by some grammarians > to be incorrect for some reason, (and yet Thackeray still used it in Vanity > Fair, for instance) and now some reactionaries and misogynists are fighting > to mai

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 09/22/2015 01:43 PM, Mark Dilger wrote: On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: You are fighting a losing battle. Think of they/them/their/theirs as being indefinitely gendered third person singular pronouns, as well as being third person plural pronouns. Yes it's a relatively

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > You are fighting a losing battle. Think of they/them/their/theirs as being > indefinitely gendered third person singular pronouns, as well as being third > person plural pronouns. Yes it's a relatively new usage, but I don't think > its

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > You can think that if you like, but it's not even remotely true. It's a > deliberate choice to use a new, perfectly reasonable and now widely accepted > style of which you disapprove, but it's not lazy. It never occurred to me that this usa

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 2015-09-22 19:25, Garick Hamlin wrote: Constructs like 'he or she' exclude people. This remains difficult for me to follow but with all the native speakers being in favor of this change I for one retract my objections. thanks, Erik Rijkers -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pg

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 11:59:21AM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > >> Happily for me, I can continue to write documents in a grammatically > >> correct way, and no-one will read them and think I'm a grammar-nazi (or > >> obstinate, or old-fashi

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: >> Happily for me, I can continue to write documents in a grammatically >> correct way, and no-one will read them and think I'm a grammar-nazi (or >> obstinate, or old-fashioned or whatever) because unless they're specifically >> looking for

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 09/22/2015 10:29 AM, Geoff Winkless wrote: Oh, good! We're actually going to have this argument? Even though I said I don't care what you do? On 22 September 2015 at 15:11, Andrew Dunstan > wrote: On 09/22/2015 09:25 AM, Geoff Winkless wrote: If

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

Oh, good! We're actually going to have this argument? Even though I said I don't care what you do? On 22 September 2015 at 15:11, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > On 09/22/2015 09:25 AM, Geoff Winkless wrote: > >> If someone sends me a document that uses "their" in a singular usage, I >> will think that

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 09/22/2015 09:25 AM, Geoff Winkless wrote: If someone sends me a document that uses "their" in a singular usage, I will think that person is lazy. That will continue to be the case, whether people tell me that it's accepted usage or not. You can think that if you like, but it's not even

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22 September 2015 at 14:09, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > You are fighting a losing battle. Think of they/them/their/theirs as being > indefinitely gendered third person singular pronouns, as well as being > third person plural pronouns. Yes it's a relatively new usage, but I don't > think its at al

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 09/22/2015 12:32 AM, Erik Rijkers wrote: - might not be the same as the database user he needs to connect as. + might not be the same as the database user that is to be connect as. It is not an improvement. I would like to see this change rolled back. I agree this is awkward.

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 09/22/2015 06:17 AM, Geoff Winkless wrote: On 22 September 2015 at 10:52, Gavin Flower >wrote: On 22/09/15 21:33, Geoff Winkless wrote: ​ ​ Without wanting to get into a grammar war, ​I'm not so sure I agree that it "condon

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22/09/15 22:17, Geoff Winkless wrote: On 22 September 2015 at 10:52, Gavin Flower >wrote: On 22/09/15 21:33, Geoff Winkless wrote: ​ ​ Without wanting to get into a grammar war, ​I'm not so sure I agree that it "condones" it.

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

Hello all, I'm a non-native speaker and to my shame not very good in english at all. So just my 2c on the topic: "Users can make such a change for their individual sessions" is for me perfectly understandable. "any user can make such a change for their session" is for me a mixture of a singula

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:17:54 +0100 Geoff Winkless wrote: > On 22 September 2015 at 10:52, Gavin Flower > wrote: > > > On 22/09/15 21:33, Geoff Winkless wrote: > >> ?? > >> Without wanting to get into a grammar war, ?I'm not so sure I agree that > >> it "condones" it. Dictionaries reflect the cu

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22 September 2015 at 10:52, Gavin Flower wrote: > On 22/09/15 21:33, Geoff Winkless wrote: > >> ​​ >> Without wanting to get into a grammar war, ​I'm not so sure I agree that >> it "condones" it. Dictionaries reflect the current state of usage, they >> don't act as arbiters of correctness. The

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22/09/15 21:33, Geoff Winkless wrote: On 22 September 2015 at 09:28, Albe Laurenz >wrote: Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Erik Rijkers mailto:e...@xs4all.nl>> wrote: >> I think this compulsive 'he'-avoiding is making the te

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 22 September 2015 at 09:28, Albe Laurenz wrote: > Peter Geoghegan wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Erik Rijkers wrote: > >> I think this compulsive 'he'-avoiding is making the text worse. > >> > >> > >> - environment variable); any user can make such a change for his > session

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Erik Rijkers wrote: >> I think this compulsive 'he'-avoiding is making the text worse. >> >> >> - environment variable); any user can make such a change for his >> session. >> + environment variable); any user can make such a cha

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Erik Rijkers wrote: > I think this compulsive 'he'-avoiding is making the text worse. > > > - environment variable); any user can make such a change for his > session. > + environment variable); any user can make such a change for their > session. -1. It

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

On 2015-09-22 04:59, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Use gender-neutral language in documentation Based on patch by Thomas Munro , although I rephrased most of the initial work. Branch -- master Details --- http://git.postgresql.org/pg/commitdiff/741ccd5015f82e31f80cdc5d2ae81263ea92d794