Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die

2004-11-16 Thread Kaz Kylheku
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Travis P) wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Misinforming the user on rename with local changes [EMAIL PROTECTED] news://news.gmane.org:119/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Might be easier to read with a browser here: http://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2004-11/index.shtml

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die

2004-11-16 Thread Thomas Hallgren
Travis P wrote: Thomas (Hallgren): Unfortunately, my efforts to get Thunderbird to do something useful with that URL have been unsuccessful and I can't find the thread on the (usable) mailing list archive ( don't use the tigris.org archive; use http://svn.haxx.se/ ). Thanks Travis. I'm not at

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die

2004-11-13 Thread Thomas Hallgren
Tom Lane wrote: ... There aren't any alternatives that are enough better than CVS to be worth the changeover effort. I've done some research over the last couple of days for a fairly big project where we face the challenges of breaking up a monolith into modules and consequently will be forced

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die

2004-11-13 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Thomas Hallgren wrote: GNU-Arch seems promising in some respects. It really can rename files and track them using an id, but it doesn't run on Windows without Cygwin (and even then not too well it seems). Personally I dislike the fact that the author seems somewhat religious about free

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die

2004-11-13 Thread Travis P
On Nov 13, 2004, at 6:20 PM, Thomas Hallgren wrote: Question about rename on [EMAIL PROTECTED] news://news.gmane.org:119/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas (Hallgren): Unfortunately, my efforts to get Thunderbird to do something useful with that URL have been unsuccessful and I can't find the thread on

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die (was: Possible make_oidjoins_check ...)

2004-11-09 Thread Steve Crawford
This doesn't really answer the question of what tool Postgres might change to, but it seems that Subversion is a good tool one should consider. And by golly, CVS is bad. Just consider the cons having to forbid renames in all but the most necessary cases it just invites cruft into any

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die

2004-11-07 Thread Thomas Hallgren
Tom, (I'm rather interested to know whether any other SCMs have a better solution to this problem, and if so what it is. It's not obvious how to do better.) I've been working with a few SCM's and IMHO only one of them really handles this really well. That's ClearCase. I'm well aware that

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die (was: Possible make_oidjoins_check ...)

2004-11-05 Thread David Helgason
The intuitive understanding of a file is certainly something like a file called 'baz.c' residing at 'foo/bar/', which contains the BAZ subsystem. Now, when renaming/moving a file such an intuitive understanding is partially lost. UI-wise that's a problem which I haven't ever seen solved well.

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Thomas Hallgren
Joerg Hessdoerfer wrote: Advocacy Yes, some do. At least SVN (Subversion) can handle moves very well, and especially it doesn't loose history on moves/renames. SVN holds it's repo entries in a database like 'filesystem', which can be backed by BDB4 or flat files (as of 1.1). SVN has proven to be

[HACKERS] CVS should die (was: Possible make_oidjoins_check ...)

2004-11-04 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 09:47:46AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not move it to src/tools, so no one gets the impression that it is user code? I thought about that earlier, but concluded it wasn't worth the loss of CVS history. I have counted

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die (was: Possible make_oidjoins_check ...)

2004-11-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Alvaro Herrera wrote: On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 09:47:46AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not move it to src/tools, so no one gets the impression that it is user code? I thought about that earlier, but concluded it wasn't worth the loss of

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die (was: Possible make_oidjoins_check ...)

2004-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: why would we lose CVS history? I can physically move the files in /cvsroot to accomplish this ... just tell me what needs to move, and to where ... If you physically move the files, that would retroactively change their placement in back versions,

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die (was: Possible make_oidjoins_check ...)

2004-11-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: why would we lose CVS history? I can physically move the files in /cvsroot to accomplish this ... just tell me what needs to move, and to where ... If you physically move the files, that would retroactively change

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die (was: Possible make_oidjoins_check ...)

2004-11-04 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 02:41:08PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: (I'm rather interested to know whether any other SCMs have a better solution to this problem, and if so what it is. It's not obvious how to do better.) I understood that the whole point of subversion was mostly to make moving files

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die

2004-11-04 Thread Oliver Jowett
Tom Lane wrote: AFAICS the only nondestructive way to do this is to cvs delete and cvs add, with a commit comment saying where the files were moved from. Then when you are looking at them in CVS, you'd have to navigate over to the previous location (by hand, probably; the commit comment isn't

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die (was: Possible make_oidjoins_check ...)

2004-11-04 Thread Joerg Hessdoerfer
Hi, On Thursday 04 November 2004 20:41, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: why would we lose CVS history? I can physically move the files in /cvsroot to accomplish this ... just tell me what needs to move, and to where ... If you physically move the files, that

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die (was: Possible make_oidjoins_check ...)

2004-11-04 Thread Russell Smith
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:02 am, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: why would we lose CVS history? I can physically move the files in /cvsroot to accomplish this ... just tell me what needs to move, and to where ... If

Re: [HACKERS] CVS should die

2004-11-04 Thread Gaetano Mendola
Neil Conway wrote: [CC list trimmed] On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 06:41, Tom Lane wrote: (I'm rather interested to know whether any other SCMs have a better solution to this problem, and if so what it is. It's not obvious how to do better.) Sure -- just about every next generation OSS version control