Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Actually, now that I try it, it seems that the MediaWiki markup is not
completely helpful here -- right now, on some items we have a one-line
header and then possibly a longer description, and it seems the only
way to do that in MediaWiki is like this:
* Set proper
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Magnus has started moving the Developer's FAQ to a wiki. I am thinking
we should move the main FAQ and the TODO list to a wiki as well if the
community is in agreement.
Discussion with you and Magnus indicated that you were both committed to
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Discussion with you and Magnus indicated that you were both committed to
having the TODO on the wiki, but each was waiting on the other for
anything to happen. Now that the PGCon dust has been settled for quite
a while, should we proceed with
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Discussion with you and Magnus indicated that you were both committed to
having the TODO on the wiki, but each was waiting on the other for
anything to happen. Now that the PGCon dust has been settled for quite
a while,
Actually, now that I try it, it seems that the MediaWiki markup is not
completely helpful here -- right now, on some items we have a one-line
header and then possibly a longer description, and it seems the only
way to do that in MediaWiki is like this:
* Set proper permissions on non-system
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Magnus has started moving the Developer's FAQ to a wiki. I am thinking
we should move the main FAQ and the TODO list to a wiki as well if the
community is in agreement.
Discussion with you and Magnus indicated that you were both committed to
having the TODO on the wiki,
Am Samstag, 19. April 2008 schrieb Alvaro Herrera:
The FAQs are another matter however. I suggested some time back moving
those to DocBook XML.
The question is whether we consider the FAQ to be a document tied to a
PostgreSQL release (e.g., there is a separate FAQ applying to each release)
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Hold on a minute. You're saying only the english version would be in
Docbook, and then you'd use .po files? So how do I as an end user
actually *read* the FAQ then? I need to both process .po and Docbook?
The xml2po tools allow the reconstruction of translated XML files
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Hold on a minute. You're saying only the english version would be in
Docbook, and then you'd use .po files? So how do I as an end user
actually *read* the FAQ then? I need to both process .po and
Docbook?
The xml2po tools allow the
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Am Samstag, 19. April 2008 schrieb Alvaro Herrera:
The FAQs are another matter however. I suggested some time back
moving those to DocBook XML.
The question is whether we consider the FAQ to be a document tied to
a PostgreSQL release (e.g., there is a separate FAQ
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Hold on a minute. You're saying only the english version would be in
Docbook, and then you'd use .po files? So how do I as an end user
actually *read* the FAQ then? I need to both process .po and
Docbook?
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Brendan Jurd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I did notice that the section on vim settings doesn't mention anything
about the expandtab setting. Ideally this should be set to
noexpandtab (noet) to preserve tab spacing. I'll add it to the wiki
page, but feel
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Actually not only I have to convince the translator -- I have to
convince Bruce *as a first step*. I have tried in the past and failed.
Now he is open to discuss changing the format of the FAQs, so I suggest
this idea again, and here I get a ton of negative responses from
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Magnus Hagander wrote:
I remain very unconvinced that making it that much more complex is
worth it.. But if someone sets up a complete system to test it, sure -
since I don't write *or* read any of the translated FAQs we should
obviously listen
Magnus Hagander wrote:
For reference, the developer FAQ (which really is a different thing,
given the audience) now lives on the wiki at
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Developer_FAQ. I'd like to hear what
people think about that one, and get a signoff on if this should be
the main location
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Magnus Hagander wrote:
I remain very unconvinced that making it that much more complex is
worth it.. But if someone sets up a complete system to test it,
sure - since I don't write *or* read any of the translated FAQs
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For reference, the developer FAQ (which really is a different thing,
given the audience) now lives on the wiki at
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Developer_FAQ. I'd like to hear what
people think about that one, and
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
And we've certainly had our share of people not working on the docs
because it's too hard. (I know I used to have to submit all docs
patches untested because it took me a year or so to get the build
process working on win32. Now I've given that
Brendan Jurd wrote:
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Magnus Hagander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For reference, the developer FAQ (which really is a different
thing, given the audience) now lives on the wiki at
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Developer_FAQ. I'd like to hear
what people
Am Montag, 21. April 2008 schrieb Magnus Hagander:
Agreed. I don't think we *ever* backpatch FAQ stuff, which is a clear
indicator it's the later.
Another thought: Would be still ship the FAQ in the release tarball? That
might be a bit weird if it is not maintained in the source code
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Am Montag, 21. April 2008 schrieb Magnus Hagander:
Agreed. I don't think we *ever* backpatch FAQ stuff, which is a
clear indicator it's the later.
Another thought: Would be still ship the FAQ in the release tarball?
That might be a bit weird if it is not maintained
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Am Montag, 21. April 2008 schrieb Magnus Hagander:
Agreed. I don't think we *ever* backpatch FAQ stuff, which is a clear
indicator it's the later.
Another thought: Would be still ship the FAQ in the release tarball? That
might be a bit weird if it is not
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
... and no response from Bruce, either.
Oh, I am trying not to read community email during weekends, especially
Sundays, so that is why you didn't get a reply earlier. I find it quite
liberating.
--
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://momjian.us
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Magnus Hagander wrote:
I remain very unconvinced that making it that much more complex is
worth it.. But if someone sets up a complete system to test it, sure -
since I don't write *or* read any of the translated FAQs we should
obviously listen more to those who do.
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Hold on a minute. You're saying only the english version would be in
Docbook, and then you'd use .po files? So how do I as an end user
actually *read* the FAQ then? I need to both
Brendan Jurd wrote:
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For reference, the developer FAQ (which really is a different thing,
given the audience) now lives on the wiki at
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Developer_FAQ. I'd like to hear what
people
Magnus Hagander wrote:
I'm sure we can find a way to do that. We do a lot of fairly ugly work
to mirror from the cvs tree to the website today...
For reference, the developer FAQ (which really is a different thing,
given the audience) now lives on the wiki at
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Magnus Hagander wrote:
I remain very unconvinced that making it that much more complex is
worth it.. But if someone sets up a complete system to test it, sure -
since I don't write *or* read any of the translated FAQs we should
obviously
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
As far as I know, what the doc translators do is translate the SGML
files directly, which is as difficult and cumbersome as you can possibly
get. I am in no way suggesting we do that for the FAQ.
What can we do to help people translate the
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
As far as I know, what the doc translators do is translate the SGML
files directly, which is as difficult and cumbersome as you can possibly
get. I am in no way suggesting we do that for the FAQ.
What can we do to
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
I suggest we start an experiment with the FAQ in XML Docbook, which is
amenable to automatic processing, and move from there.
That makes sense. We have many translations of the main FAQ so it would
be a good test for the main docs. But how do
Bruce Momjian a écrit :
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
As far as I know, what the doc translators do is translate the SGML
files directly, which is as difficult and cumbersome as you can possibly
get. I am in no way suggesting we do that for the FAQ.
What
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:22:45 -0400
Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
I suggest we start an experiment with the FAQ in XML Docbook,
which is amenable to automatic processing, and move from there.
That makes sense. We have many
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Momjian) writes:
I am impressed at the state of the May wiki patch queue:
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/CommitFest:May
It is even tracking the psql wrap patch I am working on now.
Aside: I have made a few little changes that oughtn't be too
controversial:
1.
Am Montag, 21. April 2008 schrieb Alvaro Herrera:
Yes, basically my answer is we don't. Currently there's no such thing
as easy editing, and while I agree it would be good to have it, I don't
have a solution for it.
I think easy editing and easy translating are sort of mutually exclusive with
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
As far as I know, what the doc translators do is translate the SGML
files directly, which is as difficult and cumbersome as you can possibly
get. I am in no way suggesting we do that for the FAQ.
What can we do to help people
Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Well... or reStructuredText which has the advantage of beeing human
editable? (without specialized editor that is)
Hmm, that sounds like an useful idea, I'll do some research.
--
Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/
PostgreSQL
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:06:53 +0200
Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well... or reStructuredText which has the advantage of beeing human
editable? (without specialized editor that is)
Huh? How is XML not human editable... didn't you ever create webpages
in vi? :)
Joshua D. Drake
--
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
I suggest we start an experiment with the FAQ in XML Docbook, which is
amenable to automatic processing, and move from there.
Well... or reStructuredText which has the advantage of beeing human
editable? (without specialized
Am Montag, 21. April 2008 schrieb Tino Wildenhain:
Well... or reStructuredText which has the advantage of beeing human
editable? (without specialized editor that is)
Well, there is also asciidoc, markdown, and various other wiki-like minimal
markup formats. All fine ideas, if we want to
Greg Smith wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
I suggest we start an experiment with the FAQ in XML Docbook, which is
amenable to automatic processing, and move from there.
Well... or reStructuredText which has the advantage of beeing human
editable?
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:06:53 +0200
Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well... or reStructuredText which has the advantage of beeing human
editable? (without specialized editor that is)
Huh? How is XML not human editable... didn't you ever create webpages
in vi?
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Looking at the state of many of our non-english FAQs today, I don't
put too much faith into a system that'll just show people this is
not translated. I think it's more likely to get better if the
people can just edit the translations directly
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
The FAQs are another matter however. I suggested some time back
moving those to DocBook XML. A friend was working on a script to
do the initial conversion automatically. The nice thing about it
is that we can then
I am impressed at the state of the May wiki patch queue:
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/CommitFest:May
It is even tracking the psql wrap patch I am working on now.
Magnus has started moving the Developer's FAQ to a wiki. I am thinking
we should move the main FAQ and the TODO list to a
Bruce Momjian wrote:
I am impressed at the state of the May wiki patch queue:
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/CommitFest:May
It is even tracking the psql wrap patch I am working on now.
Thanks. We've put a certain amount of effort on it. Credit for the
templating system goes to
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Bruce Momjian wrote:
I am impressed at the state of the May wiki patch queue:
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/CommitFest:May
It is even tracking the psql wrap patch I am working on now.
Thanks. We've put a certain amount of effort on it. Credit for the
Bruce Momjian wrote:
The FAQs are another matter however. I suggested some time back moving
those to DocBook XML. A friend was working on a script to do the
initial conversion automatically. The nice thing about it is that we
can then use the xml2po tools to create PO files for translation.
Hello
Magnus has started moving the Developer's FAQ to a wiki. I am thinking
we should move the main FAQ and the TODO list to a wiki as well if the
community is in agreement.
Czech translation of FAQ is on wiki one year - and it's much more
maintainable than HTML.
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
The FAQs are another matter however. I suggested some time back
moving those to DocBook XML. A friend was working on a script to do
the initial conversion automatically. The nice thing about it is
that we can then use the xml2po tools to create PO files for
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Looking at the state of many of our non-english FAQs today, I don't put
too much faith into a system that'll just show people this is not
translated. I think it's more likely to get better if the people can
just edit the translations directly instead of having to
Magnus Hagander wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
The FAQs are another matter however. I suggested some time back
moving those to DocBook XML. A friend was working on a script to do
the initial conversion automatically. The nice thing about it is
that we can then use the xml2po tools to create PO
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