Re: [HACKERS] libpq Describe Extension [WAS: Bytea and perl]

2006-08-10 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm leaning slightly to the fold-it-into-PQprepare way, but am by no means set on that. Comments anyone? As a heavy user of libpq via DBD::Pg, +1 to folding in. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation

Re: [HACKERS] libpq Describe Extension [WAS: Bytea and perl]

2006-08-11 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
such an information, can reach it quite easily via PQdescribePrepared(). That's a good point, however, along with your other arguments. :) I could live with either way. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200608110849 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk

Re: [HACKERS] Bison Version

2006-08-11 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What version of Bison is currently required to compile HEAD? 1.75 doesn't seem to work... 1.875 Search for Bison here: http://projects.commandprompt.com/public/pgsql/browser/trunk/pgsql/doc/src/sgml/installation.sgml - -- Greg Sabino Mullane

[HACKERS] Index bloat and the need to REINDEX

2006-08-15 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
that REINDEX now does. Right now, we have tables that are updated very frequently, and a vacuum full just doesn't do much to reduce the disk space, as the indexes keep growing until a REINDEX is done. Tried on HEAD as well. Thanks, - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] Information_schema fixes for sequences and temporary tables

2006-08-18 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
nicer with underscores in patterns. Hmph. I was just copying the surrounding code, in the theory that it increases the chance of my patches being accepted. :) - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200608182237 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] Intervals within information_schema

2006-08-25 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
, but someone added a FIXME at some point, which led me to ask exactly what should go in there. Not a big deal, I suppose - it looks as though few, if any, other products are using those fields either. Thanks for the reply. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation PGP Key

[HACKERS] Postgres tracking - the pgtrack project

2006-09-02 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
existing ideas? Any objections to giving this a try? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation 610-983-9073 PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200609021107 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFE+Z

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a move on for 8.2 beta

2006-09-02 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
a bit :-) It will certainly make porting applications from MySQL to Postgres a lot easier, and such porting is where a lot more effort needs to be put, IMO. (I mean more people working on porting applications, not adding mysqlisms to the code :) - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Sequences were not being shown due to the use of lowercase `s`

2006-09-04 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
another way to test that the schema was created by another process. I agree that is_visible may not be ideal for most cases, but it should be okay if we are simply using it to filter temporary schemas, right? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Sequences were not being shown due to the use of lowercase `s`

2006-09-04 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
was created by the same user, but in another session. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200609041941 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFE/LsJvJuQZxSWSsgRAt5mAKDWAWmnljELeRJn

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Sequences were not being shown due to the use of lowercase `s`

2006-09-06 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
a is_visible clause to the query above. That or start tracking which pg_temp_ schema belongs to whom. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200609061927 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Developer`s Wiki

2006-09-17 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
certainly help out with the content when I can as well, but it seems we are still tying to hash out some ground rules at the moment. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200609171112 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP

Re: information_schema vs temp tables (was Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Sequences were not being shown due to the use of lowercase `s`)

2006-09-18 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200609181159 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFFDsKgvJuQZxSWSsgRAn70AKCwa2jePz+wyJdFqzMvgqjYkRWFDwCeK6s/ TXJAHKinmRYXfT8o8eV1PYc= =f5vT -END PGP

Re: [HACKERS] Netflix Prize data

2006-10-04 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
SMALLINT NOT NULL, person INTEGER NOT NULL, rating SMALLINT NOT NULL, viewed DATE NOT NULL ); I also recommend not loading the entire file until you get further along in the algorithm solution. :) Not that I have time to really play with this - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [HACKERS] pg_dump exclusion switches and functions/types

2006-10-09 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
objects is a fair one, but I think we've morphed far beyond solving that problem. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200610092003 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] Cleanup of GUC units code

2008-09-03 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
. They are all listed at the top of the file, in case there is any confusion. No need to worry about remembering things. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200809031501 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
for core and committers. That problem needs a solution, but not the one you proposed. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200809050953 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] Cleanup of GUC units code

2008-09-08 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
, if not there already? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200809081014 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAkjFM2AACgkQvJuQZxSWSsiDvACdE6Wlrnu3uQH4mOpuEMvX0VQe

Re: [HACKERS] Do we really need a 7.4.22 release now?

2008-09-18 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
about we make it further in the future (perhaps 2009-07-01, six months into the next year), and announce the change far and wide? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200809180939 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP

Re: [HACKERS] Do we really need a 7.4.22 release now?

2008-09-18 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
including 7.4. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200809181123 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAkjScrkACgkQvJuQZxSWSshnKACg1+QxldUo8fHX/ULeDkWwclCh SpkAoKkN6tOclSqWl3YIGTpfDRMoINNh =Anux

Re: [HACKERS] Do we really need a 7.4.22 release now?

2008-09-18 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
as the PG project is releasing point revisions to the 7.4 branch. As I said, I'm all for getting people off 7.4, but it needs to be done with a definite date, and December is way too soon. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200809181205 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk

Re: [HACKERS] Do we really need a 7.4.22 release now?

2008-09-19 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
, press release). - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200809191537 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAkjT/3YACgkQvJuQZxSWSsgFDwCff7IQVYz2q7GvHZEio51XUoq1 bkYAnRF1mYj8+A3cVzb4WxYw7VG28uRR =VrxN

Re: [HACKERS] Do we really need a 7.4.22 release now?

2008-09-19 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
, there will be an ever-increasing tendency to *not* upgrade to the latest and greatest, since the version they have already kicks ass, thank you very much[1]. [1] 8.3 rocks, by the way, thanks to all involved. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200809191545 http://biglumber.com

Re: [HACKERS] Do we really need a 7.4.22 release now?

2008-09-20 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
, such as October 1, 2009? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200809201226 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAkjVJDgACgkQvJuQZxSWSsjCuACgxGqmADfgGlHekGI+TXfQTAnr CroAnAuMs9sMcRvjBBDFlYV5+dY8wlra

[HACKERS] pg_type.h regression?

2008-09-22 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
Looks like the box-array semicolon got changed to a comma at some point - attached patch changes it back (\054 to \073) -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 20080927 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 Index: src/include/catalog

Re: [HACKERS] pg_type.h regression?

2008-09-23 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
nothing looks at the value ... the element type's delimiter is what array_in/out use. Ah, okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation, I'll tweak my code to do it the right way by looking at the base type. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200809230934 http

Re: [HACKERS] pg_type.h regression?

2008-09-23 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
it doesn't matter to the backend, and who knows what else it may break. Kind of silly to spend too many cycles on this, of course, as it's really only box at the moment that uses a non-standard delimiter. :) - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200809231133 http

[HACKERS] Updated backslash consistency patch

2008-11-07 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
. -- Greg Sabino Mullane Index: command.c === RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/pgsql/src/bin/psql/command.c,v retrieving revision 1.196 diff -c -r1.196 command.c *** command.c 15 Sep 2008 12:18:00 - 1.196 --- command.c 7 Nov 2008 20:59

Re: FWD: Re: [HACKERS] Updated backslash consistency patch

2008-11-08 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
, per comments in this thread. -- Greg Sabino Mullane Index: command.c === RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/pgsql/src/bin/psql/command.c,v retrieving revision 1.196 diff -c -r1.196 command.c *** command.c 15 Sep 2008 12:18:00 - 1.196

[HACKERS] Quick patch for correct pg_stat_database columns

2008-11-11 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
Add in the tup_fetched column. -- Greg Sabino Mullane Index: doc/src/sgml/monitoring.sgml === RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/pgsql/doc/src/sgml/monitoring.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.62 diff -c -r1.62 monitoring.sgml *** doc/src/sgml

[HACKERS] Statement-level triggers and inheritance

2008-11-28 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
is STATEMENT -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200811281627 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAkkwY5AACgkQvJuQZxSWSsgK8gCeIeAJ1P45EOciwYOBlseezjMt

Re: [HACKERS] Statement-level triggers and inheritance

2008-12-01 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
there is no way to effect a statement-level trigger using an insert on a table that is inherited from. My workaround is to insert and then update all the rows. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200812011030 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk

Re: [HACKERS] Statement-level triggers and inheritance

2008-12-01 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
officially okay with either solution then. Thanks! - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200812011431 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] Listen / Notify - what to do when the queue is full

2009-11-16 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
need some real-world use cases involving payloads, let me know, I've been waiting for this feature for some time and have it all mapped out. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200911160902 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN

Re: [HACKERS] Listen / Notify rewrite

2009-11-16 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200911160910 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAksBXkAACgkQvJuQZxSWSsjEWACePcT+65HQ0dvx52PjjTkdMzVS ELMAnAhR3Ll016/EwPdizzS5BcsuXaw9 =jds6 -END

[HACKERS] Raising the geqo_threshold default

2009-11-16 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
when they hit 12 and get random (and crappy) query plans. Is the value of 12 based on any recent measurements? Thanks. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200911162121 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN

Re: [HACKERS] Listen / Notify rewrite

2009-11-16 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
per second, tops. If someone knows an easy way to measure such a thing and is really curious, I can see about getting better numbers. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200911162127 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk

Re: [HACKERS] Raising the geqo_threshold default

2009-11-17 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
as minimizing this unexpected foot gun for future releases. Thanks. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200911170859 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] Listen / Notify - what to do when the queue is full

2009-11-19 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
like the is the idea of a notify that *may* work or may not - so let's keep it boolean: it either works 100% of the time with 2PC, or doesn't at all. Should we throw a warning or error if a client attempts to combine the two? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation PGP Key

Re: [HACKERS] Prettification versus dump safety

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
formatting from parenthesization decisions in ruleutils.c. That's not going to be me, though. Comments, preferences? Apply (2), and add the decoupling to the official todo list. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200911201315 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk

Re: [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
the advocacy team know so we can start work on it. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200912011122 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAksVQtgACgkQvJuQZxSWSsj26ACgr

Re: [HACKERS] Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Rewrite GEQO`s gimme_tree function so that it always finds a

2009-12-01 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
it hard to support raising the GEQO threshold, as most recently suggested by Greg Sabino Mullane here (and previously by me on an earlier thread): What about 14? Could we at least raise it to 14? 1/2 :) I'm worried this is going to get bogged down like so many of our threads, where we worry about

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-02 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
to, but they can't easily afford the downtime to upgrade. Cutting them off arbitrarily early won't win us any friends. Once pg_migrator (or better, in-place upgrades) is working well, we can start setting EOL on versions based on number of years of some other criteria. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g

Re: [HACKERS] Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Rewrite GEQO's gimme_tree function so that it always finds a

2009-12-02 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
it's probably more of the second option. The postgresql.conf file has been supporting a toaster for a long time now, but we don't seem to recognize that the minimum toaster^H^Hhardware encountered in the wild changes quite a bit from year to year. IMHO. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com

Re: [HACKERS] Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Rewrite GEQO's gimme_tree function so that it always finds a

2009-12-02 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
in the other direction. Even if I secretly agree with Tom 99% of the time. :) - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200912021705 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Rewrite GEQO's gimme_tree function so that it always finds a

2009-12-04 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
. In other words, if the average flat plan/execute speed for a 13-way on an average box was 15 seconds in 2000, but 2 seconds in 2009, I would presume that it would now be worth it to consider 13 as needing default geqo coverage. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation PGP Key

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-04 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
always involves production downtime. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200912040846 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAksZEqMACgkQvJuQZxSWSsgGyACdEyfIqwFsFrt9ZnQ2DNPVYIWP j08AoK

Re: [HACKERS] YAML Was: CommitFest status/management

2009-12-07 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
that those in the machine readable output should never be seen by human eyes camp will support my upcoming patch to remove all extra whitespace, including newlines, from the XML format. :) - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200912070727 http

Re: [HACKERS] YAML

2009-12-08 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
. (This goes for the person on this list concerned about the output being too hard to parse. Yes, YAML has lots of tiny corner cases and elaborate syntax, but we're not using any of those, so parsing should be quite possible for any YAML parser out there). - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End

Re: [HACKERS] PATCH: Add hstore_to_json()

2009-12-31 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
particularly relevant. I don't use JSON, but I do use YAML. Attached, please find a patch that implements hstore_to_yaml(). just kidding. :) I think we are getting the cart way before the horse. +1. Smells like a solution in search of a problem, as they say. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g

Re: [HACKERS] Testing with concurrent sessions

2010-01-07 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
don't have it, no harm, no foul. We could even bundle DBI and DBD::Pg to ensure that the minimum versions are there. All the prerequisites should be in place for 99% of the machines: a C compiler and Perl are the biggies, and I can't see any buildfarm members running without those. :) - -- Greg Sabino

Re: [HACKERS] Streaming replication and postmaster signaling

2010-01-07 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
, and the sooner we can get it out there the better. Those that are waiting for SR might have to wait one more version, but my intuition tells me that's a small minority compared to those waiting for HS. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201001071231 http://biglumber.com

Re: [HACKERS] Testing with concurrent sessions

2010-01-07 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
need to test in order to have confidence in a local build. I thought we were leaning towards something separate. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201001071234 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] Testing with concurrent sessions

2010-01-07 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
seems a safer way to go. I'm still *very* interested in making a libpq-less pure perl driver, if anyone feels like funding it, let me know! :) - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201001071236 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN

Re: [HACKERS] Streaming replication and postmaster signaling

2010-01-07 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
sure about that... Well, I can state that we have plenty of clients that would be very interested in HS, but none that would really care if it came without SR. This power user knows a lot of people outside of -hackers and - -general and they are what I'm basing my opinion on. :) - -- Greg Sabino

Re: [HACKERS] Testing with concurrent sessions

2010-01-07 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
if we're talking about an additional/optional set of tests. Also, Tim Bunce and I are right here, so the maintenance should not be that bad (and I'd hazard that a lot more people in the community know Perl/DBI than zic or stemmers). - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8

[HACKERS] Build farm tweaks

2010-01-08 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
the wiki? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201001082147 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAktH7scACgkQvJuQZxSWSsjLPACgmof4H4ux/0qpOPbpHIfKrM5E gm4AoKN9BhihZqZeS6rDQo1j8l9B+uVL =cxEm -END

Re: [HACKERS] Listen / Notify - what to do when the queue is full

2010-01-10 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
is meant as a quick shorthand convenience, not a literal payload of important information. On the other, it should at least match the current rules for the listen and notify names themselves, which means allowing more than ASCII. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8

Re: [HACKERS] Testing with concurrent sessions

2010-01-10 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
quantity (DBI + Test::More). - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201001102316 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAktKplIACgkQvJuQZxSWSsj7TQCeMOXWS+uLIZE9QbeBWPxYv/rg HhEAn0QZUzE2/8uyg5Oi+K8qL

Re: [HACKERS] Testing with concurrent sessions

2010-01-11 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
of testing may be better. http://search.cpan.org/~mergl/pgsql_perl5-1.9.0/Pg.pm Works as well? Did you take a look at that link? The last update was early 2000, which should give you an indication of just how dead it is. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8

Re: [HACKERS] Testing with concurrent sessions

2010-01-15 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
not got three valid options. :) - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201001151129 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAktQmI0ACgkQvJuQZxSWSsgNugCgjwkT9QwGpvhcIXCNYhRcTwSW JZcAnjvrsjwpO/QvJ1LzU

Re: [HACKERS] Streaming replication, loose ends

2010-01-15 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
and overloaded term. On the other hand, it's a great buzzword, so we should use the phrase as much as possible in the press releases. :) - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201001151257 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk

Re: [HACKERS] MySQL-ism help patch for psql

2010-01-19 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
they've implemented some sort of shortcuts since the last time I used Oracle. Which seems very unlikely, as they obviously have no love for sqlplus (Oracle's command line client), which has been stuck technologically in place for decades (hello, readline?) - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com

Re: [HACKERS] 8.5 vs. 9.0

2010-01-21 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
to do it. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201001210726 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAktYR90ACgkQvJuQZxSWSsjDmACfVud6mJMRDX5poG1c+Y+z4UYw jUIAnR9+OaIHNDwT3ZhiCivMF3skGJwn =fWzV -END

Re: [HACKERS] 8.5 vs. 9.0, Postgres vs. PostgreSQL

2010-01-21 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
as soon as possible, and undo the mistake of changing it from Postgres in the first place. Changing it to coincide with the interest bounce we'll get from the Oracle/MySQL situation seems a no-brainer from an advocacy perspective. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8

Re: [HACKERS] warn in plperl logs as... NOTICE??

2010-01-22 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
surprised me, but never enough to bother complaining about it. However, count me as a +1 to make warn == elog(WARNING) - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201001220941 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk

Re: [HACKERS] 8.5 vs. 9.0, Postgres vs. PostgreSQL

2010-01-22 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
are working on other Postgres-related things, including, at times, advocacy. I'll move this over to -advocacy where it belongs, along with some more concrete discussion of how we would make the name change, when and if it happens. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 and standard_conforming_strings

2010-02-03 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
) is the time to do it. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201002031233 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] PG 9.0 and standard_conforming_strings

2010-02-03 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
of the game. We didn't wait for every driver, app, and script to support schemas before we added them in 7.4, for example. We certainly didn't wait for applications to be implicit casting ready before 8.3, to (over?)use another example. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http

Re: [HACKERS] Confusion over Python drivers

2010-02-08 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 I have written up a set of guidelines for driver development based on what I learned working on ruby-pg: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Driver_development ... I would appreciate comments by anyone (Greg Sabino Mullane: I included you

Re: [HACKERS] Confusion over Python drivers

2010-02-11 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
the types, inside the query itself. Having the driver indicate the type should be the exception, not the rule. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201002091811 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk

Re: [HACKERS] Listen / Notify - what to do when the queue is full

2010-02-16 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 * We also discussed the idea of having a NOTIFY command that would work from Primary to Standby. Just curious, what's a use case for this? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key

Re: [HACKERS] Listen/Notify payload and interfaces

2010-02-17 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
}; } Not sure what you mean by adapting interfaces to send payloads, I imagine most if not all simply require a NOTIFY to be sent via PQexec. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201002171302 http

Re: [HACKERS] Listen/Notify payload and interfaces

2010-02-18 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
hack) will encompass payloads as well. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201002181600 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] Listen/Notify payload and interfaces

2010-02-18 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
. Is that immanent? Barring sudden free time, funding, and/or a client request, no. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201002181711 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] machine-readable pg_controldata?

2010-03-05 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
. (One could count lines, but that's presumes the order and number of items will never change). - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201003050945 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN

Re: [HACKERS] machine-readable pg_controldata?

2010-03-09 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
of production scripts. It wasn't meant to produce machine-readable output, much less to give values that you could rely on with respect to a running server.) I mostly use it to check on the progress of a PITR slave: just curious, is there a better/preferred way to get that information? - -- Greg Sabino

Re: [HACKERS] missing schema qualifications in psql

2010-04-01 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201004010941 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAku0oqQACgkQvJuQZxSWSsiJmACghUKR/i+uyJ2n+beuAid4w432 s0oAnArOf1npuMF/7QJ87ZVmSYMlJTRp =/+yd -END PGP

[HACKERS] Show schema name on REINDEX DATABASE

2010-04-05 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
Patch attached to show the schema *and* table name when doing a REINDEX DATABASE. -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@endpoint.com g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 Index: backend/commands/indexcmds.c === RCS file

Re: [HACKERS] A maze of twisty mailing lists all the same

2010-04-08 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
and -interfaces. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201004081214 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAku

Re: [HACKERS] global temporary tables

2010-04-24 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
this is such a thorny problem, and this is a temporary table, why not just disallow ALTER completely for the first pass? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201004241201 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

[HACKERS] Show schema in COPY error CONTEXT strings

2010-05-02 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
/regress/sql/copy2.sql from a temp table to a real table, as I could not find an easy way to represent a wild card temp schema name inside of the test/regres/expected/copy2.out file. -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@endpoint.com End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 Index: src/backend/commands

Re: [HACKERS] Show schema in COPY error CONTEXT strings

2010-05-03 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
= 'mm'; ERROR: invalid input syntax for integer: mm LINE 1: delete from public.foo where id = 'mm'; Yes, I realize those are technically different context cases, but from an application point of view, the COPY case is wrong and needs fixing. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End

Re: [HACKERS] max_standby_delay considered harmful

2010-05-03 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
particular case can be solved by making the servers be in time sync a prereq for HS working (in the traditional way). And by prereq I mean a user beware documentation warning. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201005031539 http

[HACKERS] pg_dump should not try CREATE OR REPLACE LANGUAGE 9.0

2010-05-12 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
Subject line kind of says it all: LANGUAGE replacement was introduced in 9.0, but pg_dump is trying it on all versions. -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201005121537 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 diff

Re: [HACKERS] List traffic

2010-05-14 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
a clearer distinction of list topics, I might support such a move, but we don't, so I can't. ... and, for those that have been here awhile, who should know better, why isn't there any self-management of this sort of stuff in the first place? What would you have us do? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane

Re: [HACKERS] List traffic

2010-05-14 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
and -admin. Would anyone argue against rolling those two (sql and admin) into -general as a first step? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201005141009 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8

Re: [HACKERS] BYTEA / DBD::Pg change in 9.0 beta

2010-05-19 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
quickly database driver developers can adapt. DBD::Pg is already patched, and will very likely be released before 9.0 - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201005191105 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk

Re: [HACKERS] Specification for Trusted PLs?

2010-05-21 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
to figure out how to represent that in the form of tests. No, that's exactly backwards. We can't define all the things a language can do, but we can certainly lay out the things that it is not supposed to. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP

Re: [HACKERS] changed source files.

2010-05-21 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
src/pl/plpython/plpython.c src/pl/tcl/pltcl.c src/timezone/pgtz.c - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201005211520 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] Exposing the Xact commit order to the user

2010-05-23 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
scheme, how would it be able to distinguish between those two cases (nothing there yet vs. was there but purged)? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201005231646 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk

Re: [HACKERS] Exposing the Xact commit order to the user

2010-05-24 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
will the *function* know, if a superuser and/or some background process can purge records at any time? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201005240928 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8

Re: [HACKERS] Specification for Trusted PLs?

2010-05-24 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
. But it looks like the ship has already sailed upthread and we've more or less got a working definition. David, I think you started this thread, I assume you have some concrete reason for asking about this (new trusted language?). May have been stated, but I missed it. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g

Re: [HACKERS] Guarenteeing complex referencial integrity through custom triggers

2007-03-27 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
a cartridge_def Now in T2 insert a cartridge replacement. Works as expected in my schema when I tried it: T2 blocked at the insert, waiting on T1. Once T1 committed, T2 threw an error, as the insert was no longer valid. Using serializable or not, same result. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [HACKERS] EXPLAIN omits schema?

2007-06-13 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
?/archives/106-Putting-EXPLAIN-results-into-a-table.html I'd rather see tables with a convert-to-XML function than direct XML FWIW. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200706131211 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8

Re: [HACKERS] the case for machine-readable error fields

2009-08-04 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
fragments. +1 to this idea in general, but *please* don't consider the use of XML. If we really need some sort of formatting, let's do CSV. Or YAML. Or JSON. Anything but XML. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200908041806 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk

[HACKERS] Add YAML option to explain

2009-08-28 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
Attached patch adds YAML output option to explain: explain (format YAML) select * from information_schema.columns; -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200908281414 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 Index: contrib/auto_explain

Re: [HACKERS] Add YAML option to explain

2009-08-28 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
. By the way, Magnus pointed out an error in the patch: the hunk at - -1693,7 +1736,6 should be ignored. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200908281552 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] Add YAML option to explain

2009-08-28 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200908281741 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAkqYT0QACgkQvJuQZxSWSshPMACg+ho+gTxeKR27pOJrbX7kTJ9E kZIAnRIz57KzuLAAr6PtjupBwletuXRe =ZJO7 -END PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [HACKERS] Add YAML option to explain

2009-08-31 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
On 08/28/2009 02:16 PM, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: Attached patch adds YAML output option to explain: explain (format YAML) select * from information_schema.columns; Updated version of the patch attached, fixes two small errors. -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8

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