friendly anyway...
Under FreeBSD:
" The strptime() function does not correctly handle multibyte characters in
the format argument"
Not sure how critical that is for what you are doing, mind you ...
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some load off people who do
coding. :)
Depends on who you feel should/would be doing these examples? Note that
there are *alot* of ppl out there that are not coders wondering what they
can do to contribute ... this is definitely one way.
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re: actually writing & checking the examples
* Bigger document base to update & maintain
* Disk space
What do you all think?
Agreed, where applicable ... *but* ... there is nothing stopping anyone
from submitting patches for such examples, is there?
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e the
press release was made ... these were features that were pretty much
plan'd since the development cycle for 7.5 began way back when ...
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hat the patch hasn't been reviewed for commit yet ... if, once
reviewed, it is found to need work, then it should be put off until 7.6
... I'm in Josh's camp on this one, in that Nested Xacts should probably
be pulled since it still needs work :(
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cides when to stop development ... that is what cores role is ...
to *steer* the development of the code ... the community didn't decide to
extend the dev cycle this time, any more then it has in the past ... core
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t is 20-20 ... maybe next time we'll learn from it?
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r new functionality.
Right, and this made sense when we were dealing with a release every 4
months or so ... now we're talking about one every year, or two ...
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7.x as
being -STABLE, while work towards 8.x would be considered -CURRENT ...
As a community, I don't think we should be 'supporting' anything older
then the last STABLE ...
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on.
I think this would be a bad direction to take ... I can just see us
flooded with a bunch of 'the patch didn't apply to my source tree'
questions :(
It might work, I just have my doubts ...
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Nobody would be required to upgrade to a new minor release either ...
nobody is *require* to upgrade to any release, for that matter ...
Most people don't have the time to investigate release notes, release
policy details
bug fixes, the other would be bug fixes+feature backpatch ... would
could get interesting trying to figure out release naming conventions :)
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should be fixed now ... please let me know if it isn't working (or if you
notice any other problems) ... upgrade to 1.11.17 of CVS is complete ...
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Simon Riggs wrote:
On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 02:44, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
temporarily while I figure out what I screwed up
do
significant amounts of compatibility testing before they roll out
a new database version.
regards, tom lane
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
True, but northern-hemisphere summer is only 6 weeks old, and we have
had these issues for many months --- it isn't a new problem. Alvaro
didn't get the feedback he needed in Ma
t least up in Canada, our summers are so short, we try and squeeze as
much out of it as possible, so our time is more split then the rest of the
year when we tend to stay indoors alot more ...
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erver anoncvs.postgresql.org rejected
access to /projects/cvsroot for user anoncvs
Chris
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Damn ... I'll have to look at it ... we had a hacker get in through the
way anoncvs was setup, so I set a passwd on in /etc/passwd (but didn't
touch the anoncvs setup itself) ... will play with it tonight and see if I
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that even after review, they will have to
go back to the submitter to be adjusted, and sent back, and reviewed, and
...
Get in what you feel comfortable adding over the next week, the rest can
wait until 7.6 ...
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, we decided to leave bundling first beta until mid-July ...
If six extra weeks hasn't been enough, I have little faith that adding
'yet another 2 weeks' is going to be enough either ... leave them for 7.6
then ...
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; to "why is it telling me I'm out of space when my hard
drive is empty?" ... the fix for the second would eliminate the first :)
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't be too hard to add?
7.5 is already closed for new features I believe...
Very much so ...
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per-tablespace quotas. Perhaps that wouldn't be too hard to add?
7.5 is already closed for new features I believe...
Quotas is part of a sane tablespace implementation, right? O;)
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ndard functions that Oracle
users had access to ... is there a reason why that can't be extended? Or
are we talking about *really* core changes here?
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have any desire to make this work on a version of perl
that the perl community itself suggests that you should upgrade.
Well, backing it out is always an option, since the old version apparently
did work *shrug*
Personally, rather have the new on in there though ... :)
Marc G. Fou
y, but it isn't a solution for older boxes, IMHO ...
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of it ran into an error, but I've run into an issue here it is not
Yes, but that work is only in 7.5. We didn't backpatch that to 7.4.3
Should a 7.5 pg_restore be able to read a 7.4.3 dump? Assuming so, since
doing upgrades could eb interesting if not, how far back can it go?
-
But pg_dump & restore already does that.
Just a thought here ... but, how about some sort of CREATE DATABASE
extension that would transparently do the dump/restore, with the restore
based on the new encoding?
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got everything built this evening, just giving it a bit of time to
propogate out to the mirrors before announcing ...
BitTorrent <http://bt.postgresql.org> is up, and thanks for putting
t
got everything built this evening, just giving it a bit of time to
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Lynx Version 2.8.5rel.1 (04 Feb 2004)
libwww-FM 2.14, SSL-MM 1.4.1, OpenSSL 0.9.7d
Built on freebsd4.9 Feb 28 2004 22:01:12
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
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Anyone else, please test the tar ball for any bug/nits ...
specifically, Peter, can you check that I've built/included the right
documentation?
Try reading the list of supported platforms at the bottom of the INSTALL
file
Just for the few changes that went in today docs related ... will build
the release on in the morning, but this gives a few hours for ppl to see
if anything appears to b emissing ..
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ill be) both .gz and
.bz2 files available ...
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ee time I won't be able to get around
> to it before Friday -- if you or anyone else wants to get it done
> before then you're more than welcome to.
We're looking at a 7.3 for next Monday, so if you can do it over the
weekend, that would be great ...
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On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
No, I think that was the right time to make a decision. Before that
things were in a great state of flux. My suggestion is that there should
be some minimum time (I suggested 6 weeks to 2
have already mentioned, the June 1st "false start" as you
put it, was never a surprise ... *shrug*
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On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
All I have asked for is a) reasonable clarity and b) reasonable notice.
I do not see that either of those conflict with being laid-back or
anything else above.
Something we definitely will work on, in both cases ...
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27;m still sick, and
b) we're still having performance (load time) issues with pgFoundry.
b) they would be the same on gborg as on pgFoundry, so don't let that stop
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Just so that everyone is aware, we are going to push the freeze date for
7.5 to July 1st.
Although we feel that there are enough improvements and features already
in place for 7.5, Tom's felt that if we gave it that extra
dline.
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On Fri, 28 May 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Fri, 28 May 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Tom Lane wrote:
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Off the top of my head ... the Installer and Service Manager come to mind
... and Tom's fsync changes ..
On Fri, 28 May 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
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"Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Off the top of my head ... the Installer and Service Manager come to mind
... and Tom's fsync changes ...
Right now, I'd say feature freeze is looking more like n
o it isn't as if 7.5 will revolve only around Win32
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stuff is still
outstanding, and they are both backend commits ...
Bruce, do you have a full list of what is outstanding on the Win32 side,
or is it just those two?
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my head ... the Installer and Service Manager come to mind
... and Tom's fsync changes ...
Right now, I'd say feature freeze is looking more like next Friday (June
4th), and we're evaluate it then ... that should hopefully give the above
time to flesh out and get into CVS
a production
environment. When we have it to the point we consider stable, we remove
teh popup?
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On Fri, 21 May 2004, Neil Conway wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > Tom appears to be against, everyone else seems to be for ... should we try
> > it and see how it works out?
>
> Sure, although I personally think Andrew's suggestion of creating a
> separate (non
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Joe Conway wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 May 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >>My point is that for any non-trivial patch, you need to see all the
> >>files modified in a single view, rather than poke around to see
> >>diffe
... I just fear the
size of the email going out for some of the large patches that are applied
...
Tom appears to be against, everyone else seems to be for ... should we try
it and see how it works out?
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On Fri, 21 May 2004, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
> > Not sure if I like the URLs, myself ... opinions?
>
> Can the urls point to the exact diff?
Already fixed for that ...
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On Thu, 20 May 2004, Neil Conway wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > k, hasn't come through yet, but looked in the archives and the message
> > looks good ... missed a / for cvsweb, so fixed that ...
>
> Looks good, but one minor quibble: the URL is to the cvsweb page
Nope, was wrong ... adding the -V does add teh revision to the end of the
URL ...
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Thu, 20 May 2004, Tom Lane wrote:
>
> > Neil Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > >> k, has
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Tom Lane wrote:
> Neil Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >> k, hasn't come through yet, but looked in the archives and the message
> >> looks good ... missed a / for cvsweb, so fixed that ...
>
> >
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r log message appropriately ...
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Thu, 20 May 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > Neil Conway wrote:
> > > Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > > > Agreed, even if the URL is only valid for a week or so.
> > >
> > >
we could
> auto-generate on the fly via a URL, even better.
Actaully, it just points the cvsweb interface ... I jus tconverted over t
activitymail two secs ago ... let's see how it looks when it comes through
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On Thu, 20 May 2004, Neil Conway wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > I can't see this really being possible ... have you seen this on another
> > project?
>
> Sure, it's quite common. There's a list of scripts that support this
> kind of functionali
ould be included in
> the email if it is small enough.
I can't see this really being possible ... have you seen this on another
project? For the really simple commits, sure ... but for the more complex
ones, we'd been talking a load of URLs, for each of the different files
being update
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Tom Lane wrote:
> "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > One of the comments I saw over the past few days on how to make things on
> > pgFoundry more visible was to have the commit messages for its projects
> > sent
change the subject header to reflect the
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or 7.4.1 to be released in order to
release a new version of the project ... I'm not even say call it a 7.4
branch ... just associate it with it ...
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On Wed, 19 May 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> The Win32 project page already has nightly Win32 builds courtesy of
> Magnus.
Do you want to setup an scp into the main ftp site so that the mirrors
catch them as well? Might make it easier for ppl to get ahold of it ...
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calls configure in the modules directory itself, so that's doable ...
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gt; that problem too, and so I don't really see what they add in terms of
> > testability.
>
> The main purpose of mini-releases would be to make testing more accessable to
> newbies who find anon-CVS intimidating.
what is wrong with the nightly snapshots that are created?
t;= 200310211)
> #define PG_VERSION_74_COMPAT
> #else
> #define PG_VERSION_75_COMPAT
> #endif
Why not have seperate branches in CVS for each version? Branch on similar
dates to the core distribution itself?
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to *not add* something to core (ie. plPHP/plPerlNG) then it is
to remove something (see JDBC) ...
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On Wed, 19 May 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > There is no such thing as "too close to feature freeze", nor has there
> > ever been in the past ... other then missing it altogether. Unless there
> > are some serious flaws in the implementa
d is to work out ...
What is expected, though, is that you won't disappear after its committed,
so that you can fix any bugs reported in a timely manner ...
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core?
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n't they doing it now?
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at time would be better spent on coming up with an
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anges since
7.5 was branched, no? Or have they been mostly cosmetic/docs?
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erface/extension has to be maintained in order to be in sync ... if
done as a seperate project, in parallel with core, it is at least
possible to release on their own timelines in order to correct bugs, or
add features ... as part of core, new features/bug fixes have to wait for
all of core to be re
good thing to know ...
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ron job reposts this
> thread every 6 - 12 months. For those of us that are desirous of
> PITR, it's a 6 month reposting that is becoming painful to read...
k, let's think this through ... 7.4 was released, what, 6 months ago? And
6 months later, PITR still isn'
7;m wrong) the pls only rely on
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On Mon, 17 May 2004, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 01:53:19 -0300,
> "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Not true ... you just have to fix your definition of what a feature is ...
> > a feature is an impr
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > > Agreed, but you are a "me too", not a huge percentage of our userbase.
> >
> > How do you know? Have you polled our complete userbase?
> >
> > > Basically, after 6-7
complete *will* span
multiple releases in between if they have to ... just because something
doesn't make it into 7.5 doesn't mean that the developer is going to drop
all their work and start from scratch hoping to make it into 7.6 ...
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On Mon, 17 May 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > On Sun, 16 May 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> > > I personally don't think Win32 is enough of a new feature either, but
> > > others disagree.
> >
> > Jan, correct me i
appen, since what is considered big by you isn't
necessarily what is considered big by someone else ... as Hannu, and I
believe, Jan, have so far pointed out to you ...
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file.global, cause then you have to also install the
physical template files for the various operating system too, no? What
else does Makefile.global rely on?
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> >
> > What do we have to do to get there? What code do I need to write for
> > y'all?
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> Can we please make "move all replication software out of the release" an
> official open item for the 7.5 release?
Agreed ...
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>
> I tried to submit the patch, and it was killed.
Please re-submit since I don't recall the patch ...
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> I know, this sucks, but, I don't see any other way, other than linking
> *ALL* libpq-using programs (including initdb and friends) with -K pthread.
k, a change that 'sucks', vs linking against -Kpthread ... I'm for the
-Kpthread route m
On Wed, 12 May 2004, Larry Rosenman wrote:
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> --On Wednesday, May 12, 2004 15:59:19 -0300 "Marc G. Fournier"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On Wed, 12 May 2004, Larry Rosenman wrote:
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> >> >> > Ummm, shouldn't that be add
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