Re: [HACKERS] Patch committers

2009-11-11 Thread Rick Gigger
Couldn't you have a policy that every patch is reviewed first by someone who wants to be an expert in that area, and then by someone who is currently an expert. Then you have the best of both worlds. The patch is reviewed by someone will make sure it won't cause problems, and the want to be ex

Re: [HACKERS] 8.5 release timetable, again

2009-08-26 Thread Rick Gigger
On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:17 AM, Jean-Michel Pouré wrote: Le mercredi 26 août 2009 à 01:36 -0600, Rick Gigger a écrit : One possible reason that replication is more critical now than it was a year ago is the rise in cloud computing. The ability to fire up instances on demand is much more useful

Re: [HACKERS] 8.5 release timetable, again

2009-08-26 Thread Rick Gigger
On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Robert Haas wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:15 PM, David Fetter wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:02:31PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Josh Berkus writes: That is a slightly alarmist. Who are we going to lose these users to? Drizzle. MySQL forks. CouchDB. An

Re: [HACKERS] Synch Rep for CommitFest 2009-07

2009-07-16 Thread Rick Gigger
On Jul 16, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Greg Stark wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: Rick Gigger wrote: If you use an rsync like algorithm for doing the base backups wouldn't that increase the size of the database for which it would still be practical to just re

Re: [HACKERS] Synch Rep for CommitFest 2009-07

2009-07-16 Thread Rick Gigger
On Jul 16, 2009, at 12:07 AM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: Dimitri Fontaine wrote: Le 15 juil. 09 à 23:03, Heikki Linnakangas a écrit : Furthermore, the counter-argument against having the primary able to send data from the archives to some standby is that it should still work when primary's dead,

Re: [HACKERS] 8.4 release planning

2009-01-27 Thread Rick Gigger
On Jan 27, 2009, at 2:41 AM, Mark Kirkwood wrote: Dave Page wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Josh Berkus writes: So, some feedback to make this decision more difficult: Users: care about HS more than anything else in the world. I don't think this is correct.

Re: [HACKERS] Commit fest queue

2008-04-11 Thread Rick Gigger
On Apr 11, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Personally I don't think we *know* what we want to do and that's why the wiki is a good interim tool. Yup, that is *exactly* the point. A wiki page is a zero-setup-cost, flexible way of experimenting wit

Re: [HACKERS] Commit fest queue

2008-04-11 Thread Rick Gigger
Yup, that is *exactly* the point. A wiki page is a zero-setup-cost, flexible way of experimenting with tracking commit-fest issues. A year from now, we might have enough experience to decide that some more-rigidly-structured tool will do what we need, but we don't have it today. We spent enough

Re: [HACKERS] Commit fest queue

2008-04-11 Thread Rick Gigger
Yup, that is *exactly* the point. A wiki page is a zero-setup-cost, flexible way of experimenting with tracking commit-fest issues. A year from now, we might have enough experience to decide that some more-rigidly-structured tool will do what we need, but we don't have it today. We spent enough

Re: [HACKERS] should I worry?

2007-11-05 Thread Rick Gigger
Ah, yes it was the quotes. I guess that makes me a newbie. :) On Nov 5, 2007, at 1:53 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Heikki Linnakangas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Rick Gigger wrote: Doesn't DROP TRIGGER require the name of the trigger? He says they are unnamed. How then does h

Re: [HACKERS] should I worry?

2007-11-05 Thread Rick Gigger
Doesn't DROP TRIGGER require the name of the trigger? He says they are unnamed. How then does he drop them? On Nov 5, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Tom Lane wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 4 Nov 2007, Tom Lane wrote: So you have a *bunch* of partially broken FK constraints in that source

Re: [HACKERS] 10 weeks to feature freeze (Pending Work)

2007-02-10 Thread Rick Gigger
Jim Nasby wrote: On Feb 5, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Andrew Hammond wrote: On Jan 26, 2:38 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Lane) wrote: Rick Gigger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I thought that the following todo item just barely missed 8.2: "Allow a warm standby system to also allow read-only

Re: [HACKERS] 10 weeks to feature freeze (Pending Work)

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Gigger
Gregory Stark wrote: "Rick Gigger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I thought that the following todo item just barely missed 8.2: "Allow a warm standby system to also allow read-only statements [pitr] This is useful for checking PITR recovery." No, nobody worked

Re: [HACKERS] 10 weeks to feature freeze (Pending Work)

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Gigger
Andrew Hammond wrote: On Jan 26, 2:38 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Lane) wrote: Rick Gigger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I thought that the following todo item just barely missed 8.2: "Allow a warm standby system to also allow read-only statements [pitr] No, it's a someday-wi

Re: [HACKERS] 10 weeks to feature freeze (Pending Work)

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Gigger
Tom Lane wrote: Rick Gigger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I thought that the following todo item just barely missed 8.2: "Allow a warm standby system to also allow read-only statements [pitr] No, it's a someday-wishlist item; the work involved is not small. Thanks,very much fo

Re: [HACKERS] 10 weeks to feature freeze (Pending Work)

2007-01-26 Thread Rick Gigger
server for reporting purposes that could always be within minutes of the live data. I know there are other solutions for this but if this feature is just around the corner it would be my first choice. Does anyone know the status of this feature? Thanks, Rick Gigger Joshua D. Drake wrote: Or

Re: [HACKERS] 8.2 features status

2006-08-05 Thread Rick Gigger
If people are going to start listing features they want here's some things I think would be nice. I have no idea though if they would be useful to anyone else: 1) hierarchical / recursive queries. I realize it's just been discussed at length but since there was some question as to whether

Re: pg_upgrade (was: [HACKERS] 8.2 features status)

2006-08-04 Thread Rick Gigger
I had a few thoughts on this issue: The objective is to smoothly upgrade to the new version with minimal downtime. The different proposals as far as I can see are as follows: Proposal A - the big one time reformatting 1) shutdown the db 2) run a command that upgrades the data directory to th

Re: [HACKERS] 8.2 features status

2006-08-04 Thread Rick Gigger
This has been a very interesting thread, if for no other reason then to just catalog all of the changes going into 8.2. I am going to be changing some hardware around so I need to decide if I want to a) change the hardware now and don't bother with 8.2, b) wait to upgrade hardware and do t

Re: [HACKERS] 8.2 feature set

2006-08-02 Thread Rick Gigger
Sorry if this is the wrong place for this but as far as I can tell there are only 2 features so far that I've seen discussed on hackers that are looking really good to me. I'm sure all the little changes will add up to a big win but these are the only two that would make me feel an urgent

Re: [HACKERS] vacuum, performance, and MVCC

2006-06-23 Thread Rick Gigger
On Jun 22, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Mark Woodward wrote: What you seem not to grasp at this point is a large web-farm, about 10 or more servers running PHP, Java, ASP, or even perl. The database is usually the most convenient and, aside from the particular issue we are talking about, best suite

Re: [HACKERS] vacuum, performance, and MVCC

2006-06-23 Thread Rick Gigger
On Jun 22, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Mark Woodward wrote: Ühel kenal päeval, N, 2006-06-22 kell 09:59, kirjutas Mark Woodward: After a long battle with technology, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Mark Woodward"), an earthling, wrote: Clinging to sanity, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Mark Woodward") mumbled into It

Re: [HACKERS] vacuum, performance, and MVCC

2006-06-23 Thread Rick Gigger
Just out of curiosity Mark, didn't you write your session daemon so that you don't have to put sessions in postgres anymore? Or are you just giving that as an example of a very wide, very heavily updated table? My session tables have been an extreme case of this problem, but no other tabl

Re: [HACKERS] Blog post on EnterpriseDB...maybe off topic

2006-02-16 Thread Rick Gigger
Any comments on this? Is he referring to EnterpriseDB extensions that they don't make public? I've noticed a lot of press lately is mentioning their name next to ingres as an alternative to MySQL, so the MySQL folks might be feeling some Postgres heat from their direction. I also wonder w

Re: [HACKERS] pg_hba.conf alternative

2006-02-13 Thread Rick Gigger
how? is there some kernel patch to completely to enable you to deny access to root? Tino Wildenhain pointed out SELinux has a feature like that. I still dont get your problem (apart from that you can always google for SELinux) Why arent the other "admins" not trustworthy? And why do you have ma

Re: [HACKERS] pg_hba.conf alternative

2006-02-10 Thread Rick Gigger
But why do they need access to the files in the file system? Why not put them on the local box but don't give them permissions to edit the pg_hba file? They should still be able to connect. On Feb 9, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Q Beukes wrote: I did consider that, but the software we use (which agai

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.0.6 crash

2006-02-09 Thread Rick Gigger
On Feb 9, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Mark Woodward wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 02:03:41PM -0500, Mark Woodward wrote: "Mark Woodward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Again, regardless of OS used, hashagg will exceed "working memory" as defined in postgresql.conf. So? If you've got OOM kill enable

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.0.6 crash

2006-02-09 Thread Rick Gigger
On Feb 9, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Stephen Frost wrote: * Tom Lane ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: "Mark Woodward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Again, regardless of OS used, hashagg will exceed "working memory" as defined in postgresql.conf. So? If you've got OOM kill enabled, it can zap a process w

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-advocacy] PGUpgrade WAS: Audio interview

2006-02-08 Thread Rick Gigger
On Feb 8, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: Andrew, This would be a very fine project for someone to pick up (maybe one of the corporate supporters could sponsor someone to work on it?) We looked at it for Greenplum but just couldn't justify putting it near the top of the priority li

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-advocacy] Audio interview

2006-02-08 Thread Rick Gigger
On Feb 8, 2006, at 7:00 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: David Fetter wrote: On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 11:43:40PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: I did an audio interview today, and it is online now: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/2006/02/bsdtalk015-interview-with- postgresql.html Great interview. You h

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2006-02-06 Thread Rick Gigger
Rick Gigger wrote: I was thinking the exact same thing. Except the "and just fsync() dirty pages on commit" part. Wouldn't that actually make the situation worse? I thought the whole point of WAL was that it was more efficient to fsync all of the changes in one sequential wr

Re: [HACKERS] [Bizgres-general] WAL bypass for INSERT, UPDATE and

2006-02-06 Thread Rick Gigger
I was thinking the exact same thing. Except the "and just fsync() dirty pages on commit" part. Wouldn't that actually make the situation worse? I thought the whole point of WAL was that it was more efficient to fsync all of the changes in one sequential write in one file rather than fsy

Re: [HACKERS] Multiple logical databases

2006-02-03 Thread Rick Gigger
On Feb 3, 2006, at 6:47 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: On Feb 3, 2006, at 08:05, Mark Woodward wrote: Using the "/etc/hosts" file or DNS to maintain host locations for is a fairly common and well known practice, but there is no such mechanism for "ports." The problem now becomes a code issue, n

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Rick Gigger
On Jan 31, 2006, at 12:54 AM, Tino Wildenhain wrote: Rick Gigger schrieb: I don't see why anyone has a problem with this. I am certainly never going to use it but if it helps someone who isn't a linux person to use it on a project when they would have used something else (l

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Rick Gigger
I don't see why anyone has a problem with this. I am certainly never going to use it but if it helps someone who isn't a linux person to use it on a project when they would have used something else (like mysql) or if it convinces someone to run postgres on linux instead of windows because

Re: [HACKERS] Working happily on 8.1 (Was: panic on 7.3)

2006-01-21 Thread Rick Gigger
Rick Gigger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 2) I didn't touch the Vacuum delay, background writer or autovacuum settings because I wasn't familiar enough with them. Are the default values very restricting? By default, autovacuum isn't even turned on --- you have

[HACKERS] Working happily on 8.1 (Was: panic on 7.3)

2006-01-21 Thread Rick Gigger
the system. Is there a way to signal a single backend to die without restarting the whole db server? I looked on google, searched the archives and in the docs and couldn't find any way to do this. Thanks again, Rick On Jan 21, 2006, at 12:05 AM, Rick Gigger wrote: Thanks very muc

Re: [HACKERS] panic on 7.3

2006-01-20 Thread Rick Gigger
ions. Once that happens all of the web clients hang onto their bad connections and then eventually die. Considering that I'm moving to 8.1 and am not too familiar with applying patches am I crazy for just going with the stock 8.1 code? On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Tom Lane wro

Re: [HACKERS] panic on 7.3

2006-01-20 Thread Rick Gigger
On Jan 20, 2006, at 6:02 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Rick Gigger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Postgres version 7.3.4 You realize of course that that's pretty old ... That is right now. Right after it started up it went up to 0292. So it was the latest file eh? I thought maybe y

Re: [HACKERS] panic on 7.3

2006-01-20 Thread Rick Gigger
=Rick Gigger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Postgres version 7.3.4 You realize of course that that's pretty old ... Yes. I will be upgrading immediately. That is right now. Right after it started up it went up to 0292. So it was the latest file eh? I thought maybe you had s

Re: [HACKERS] panic on 7.3

2006-01-20 Thread Rick Gigger
e for 7.3.13 and build it yourself. cheers andrew Rick Gigger wrote: It is the version that shipped with fedora core 1. The version string from psql is (PostgreSQL) 7.3.4-RH. I assume that it must have been the first bug since I had plenty of disk space. On Jan 20, 2006, at 5:35 PM,

Re: [HACKERS] panic on 7.3

2006-01-20 Thread Rick Gigger
It is the version that shipped with fedora core 1. The version string from psql is (PostgreSQL) 7.3.4-RH. I assume that it must have been the first bug since I had plenty of disk space. On Jan 20, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: Rick Gigger wrote: Postgres version 7.3.4 ... a

Re: [HACKERS] panic on 7.3

2006-01-20 Thread Rick Gigger
right now. Right after it started up it went up to 0292. There are a lot of files before the ones listed here right now though. Do you need to see their names? On Jan 20, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Rick Gigger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I got this message: 2006-01-20 11:50:51

[HACKERS] panic on 7.3

2006-01-20 Thread Rick Gigger
I got this message: 2006-01-20 11:50:51 PANIC: creation of file /var/lib/pgsql/data/ pg_clog/0292 failed: File exists In 7.3. It caused the server to restart. Can anyone tell me what it means? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' t

Re: [HACKERS] Incremental Backup Script

2006-01-03 Thread Rick Gigger
I would certainly like some instructions on this as well. On Jan 3, 2006, at 8:41 PM, Zach Bagnall wrote: On 12/26/05 11:04, Qingqing Zhou wrote: ""Gregor Zeitlinger"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote Also, I was wondering whether it is always safe to copy the current WAL file, i.e. may the current

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Online backup vs Continuous backup

2006-01-03 Thread Rick Gigger
f you use terms like "online backup" to mean both types of backup but then use it once in a specific circumstance where only one usage is appropriate (you are using the terms ambiguously) then users will be confused and it will be your fault not theirs. Just

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Online backup vs Continuous backup

2006-01-03 Thread Rick Gigger
How about: use "Online backup" or "Hot backup" to refer to either method of back since they are both done while the system is online or hot. If you want to get specific refer to doing a "sql dump" etc for using pg_dump Then use "Incremental backup" to refer to the whole process of the WA

Re: [HACKERS] Automatic function replanning

2005-12-20 Thread Rick Gigger
ly gets me when the query plan is created before the statistics are present to create a good plan. Just one users 2 cents. - Rick Gigger On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Jim C. Nasby wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 01:07:10PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: Jim C. Nasby wrote: Is cardinality the

Re: [HACKERS] Replication on the backend

2005-12-06 Thread Rick Gigger
- Asynchronous master to multi-slave. We have a few of those with Mommoth-Replicator and Slony-I being the top players. Slony-I does need some cleanup and/or reimplementation after we have a general pluggable replication API in place. Is this API actually have people working on it

Re: [HACKERS] Replication on the backend

2005-12-06 Thread Rick Gigger
Just like MySql! On Dec 5, 2005, at 10:35 PM, Jan Wieck wrote: On 12/5/2005 8:18 PM, Gustavo Tonini wrote: replication (master/slave, multi-master, etc) implemented inside postgres...I would like to know what has been make in this area. We do not plan to implement replication inside the bac

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Rick Gigger
any fields not specified would be reinitialized whereas an update would leave them in place. It seems to me that "try to update and if that fails insert" seems to be the best approach for not messing with existing data. I guess "try to insert and if that fails

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Rick Gigger
there is no way it would ever do an implicit table lock on me. And it would never throw an error/ warning unless I actually did something questionable. Does that make sense. Rick Gigger On Nov 16, 2005, at 7:49 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Christopher Kings-Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: We

Re: [HACKERS] Contrib -- PostgreSQL shared variables

2004-08-25 Thread Rick Gigger
LockShared('name'); [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a first pass on a simple shared memory variable system for PostgreSQL. I would appriciate anyone interested in this functionality to rip it apart. It basically adds this functionality: SetShared('name', value); GetSharedInt('name'); SetSharedText

Re: [GENERAL] [HACKERS] Slony-I goes BETA

2004-06-06 Thread Rick Gigger
The link you have down there is not the one on the site. All of the links to that file work just fine for me on the live site. Jan Wieck wrote: On 6/4/2004 4:47 AM, Karel Zak wrote: On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 01:01:19AM -0400, Jan Wieck wrote: Yes, Slonik's, it't true. After nearly a year the Slony

Re: [HACKERS] Changing the default configuration (was Re: [pgsql-advocacy]

2003-02-11 Thread Rick Gigger
fantastic for anything but a very heavy load. I think there may be many people out there who have little experience but want an RDBMS to manage their data. Those people need something very, very easy. Look at the following that mysql gets despite how poor of a product it is. It's very