Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-25 Thread Simon Riggs
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 14:16 +0100, Dave Page wrote: Following the recent discussion on this list and another on pgsql-core, we have decided that we would like to aim to meet the following schedule for the release of PostgreSQL 8.3: April 1st 2007 - Feature freeze May 1st 2007 - Beta 1

[HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Dave Page
Following the recent discussion on this list and another on pgsql-core, we have decided that we would like to aim to meet the following schedule for the release of PostgreSQL 8.3: April 1st 2007 - Feature freeze May 1st 2007 - Beta 1 release June 1st 2007 - Release This will obviously be a

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
Dave Page wrote: Following the recent discussion on this list and another on pgsql-core, we have decided that we would like to aim to meet the following schedule for the release of PostgreSQL 8.3: April 1st 2007 - Feature freeze May 1st 2007 - Beta 1 release June 1st 2007 - Release

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2006 15:26 To: Dave Page Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle Sounds fine, but announcing this now is almost certain to reduce the number of people

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
Dave Page wrote: -Original Message- From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2006 15:26 To: Dave Page Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle Sounds fine, but announcing this now is almost certain

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Bruce Momjian wrote: Dave Page wrote: -Original Message- From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2006 15:26 To: Dave Page Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle Sounds fine, but announcing this now is almost

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2006 15:35 To: Dave Page Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle Err right - if you had said this yesterday when we discussed the idea I could have

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Dave Page wrote: -Original Message- From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2006 15:26 To: Dave Page Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle Sounds fine, but announcing this now is almost certain to reduce the number

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Tom Dunstan
Dave Page wrote: This will obviously be a short development cycle which will allow us to get some of the features that just missed 8.2 out of the door, as well as giving us the opportunity to try releasing before the summer (for those in the northern hemisphere) rather than after. Joshua's

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Josh Berkus
Bruce, Dave, This will likely stop people from migrating to 8.2, but so what? It isn't going to stop new users and existing users in real production setting will likely wait for 8.3 anyway. And at this point most production users are only upgrading every 2-3 releases anyway (something which

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: Tom Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Page dpage@vale-housing.co.uk Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Sent: 22/09/06 17:21 Subject: Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle will other features be considered if they're ready? Yes, normal

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, I'm obviously thinking of enums which was ready (for review at least) a few weeks ago, but has probably bitrotted slightly since then given the number of patches that have landed in the tree. I intended to brush it up as soon as the 8.3 tree was open and resubmit it. Will that be a waste

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Tom Lane
Tom Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joshua's original mail suggested that only certain features would go in. Is that still on the cards, or will other features be considered if they're ready? You'll note that Dave's mail said no such thing. There has been some talk of trying to agree on a

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Dunstan wrote: Dave Page wrote: This will obviously be a short development cycle which will allow us to get some of the features that just missed 8.2 out of the door, as well as giving us the opportunity to try releasing before the summer (for those in the northern hemisphere) rather than

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: Bruce, Dave, This will likely stop people from migrating to 8.2, but so what? It isn't going to stop new users and existing users in real production setting will likely wait for 8.3 anyway. And at this point most production users are only upgrading

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread David Fetter
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 02:16:53PM +0100, Dave Page wrote: Following the recent discussion on this list and another on pgsql-core, we have decided that we would like to aim to meet the following schedule for the release of PostgreSQL 8.3: April 1st 2007 - Feature freeze ^ We

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Tom Dunstan
Josh Berkus wrote: I'm obviously thinking of enums which was ready (for review at least) a few weeks ago, but has probably bitrotted slightly since then given the number of patches that have landed in the tree. I intended to brush it up as soon as the 8.3 tree was open and resubmit it. Will that

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Josh Berkus wrote: Tom, I'm obviously thinking of enums which was ready (for review at least) a few weeks ago, but has probably bitrotted slightly since then given the number of patches that have landed in the tree. I intended to brush it up as soon as the 8.3 tree was open and resubmit it.

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Tom Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Tom Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joshua's original mail suggested that only certain features would go in. Is that still on the cards, or will other features be considered if they're ready? You'll note that Dave's mail said no such thing. No, but it did explicitly

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, Pretty sure. :) Why the oops? They haven't been mentioned in some PR material or something have they? No, I'd just been confused and thought the patch was submitted before feature freeze. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco ---(end of

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Robert Treat
On Friday 22 September 2006 12:40, Tom Lane wrote: Tom Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joshua's original mail suggested that only certain features would go in. Is that still on the cards, or will other features be considered if they're ready? You'll note that Dave's mail said no such

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
Robert Treat wrote: On Friday 22 September 2006 12:40, Tom Lane wrote: Tom Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joshua's original mail suggested that only certain features would go in. Is that still on the cards, or will other features be considered if they're ready? You'll note that

Re: [HACKERS] 8.3 Development Cycle

2006-09-22 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agreed, but my guess is that we are going to introduce shorter varlena headers for 8.3. It will hard to reject an optimization like that, and that will probably change the disk format for most columns. Well, several of the proposals that have been made