Robert Haas wrote:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Josh Berkusj...@agliodbs.com wrote:
As far as the release notes, I think we would have to have proof that
the alpha-generated release notes are as good or close to the quality of
the release notes using the current process. ?If they are, we
Bruce,
I would love to get out of the release-note-writing business, but I
can't imagine how such a document could be written incrementally, so it
is logical that I would want some kind of test to see that the method I
didn't think would work would actually work.
What about Robert's
Josh Berkus wrote:
Bruce,
I would love to get out of the release-note-writing business, but I
can't imagine how such a document could be written incrementally, so it
is logical that I would want some kind of test to see that the method I
didn't think would work would actually work.
Josh Berkus wrote:
Bruce,
I would love to get out of the release-note-writing business, but I
can't imagine how such a document could be written incrementally, so it
is logical that I would want some kind of test to see that the method I
didn't think would work would actually work.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Bruce Momjianbr...@momjian.us wrote:
Josh Berkus wrote:
Bruce,
I would love to get out of the release-note-writing business, but I
can't imagine how such a document could be written incrementally, so it
is logical that I would want some kind of test to see
What I would like to avoid is a situation where we're basically ready
to go with beta and Bruce says, Hold on, everybody, it's going to
take another two weeks while I plow through 600 commit messages. I
have a theory that that work can be spread out and much of it done in
advance and not
Josh Berkus wrote:
What I would like to avoid is a situation where we're basically ready
to go with beta and Bruce says, Hold on, everybody, it's going to
take another two weeks while I plow through 600 commit messages. I
have a theory that that work can be spread out and much of it
Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us writes:
As far as the alpha releases, I am still worried about the use of the
word alpha. I am worried someone is going to look at 8.4alpha1 and
think that represents most of the features that will be in 8.5final, and
will think the Postgres project is losing
As far as the alpha releases, I am still worried about the use of the
word alpha. I am worried someone is going to look at 8.4alpha1 and
think that represents most of the features that will be in 8.5final, and
will think the Postgres project is losing momentum. I would much rather
they be
Bruce Momjian wrote:
I would much rather
they be called Commit Feast 1 (CF1), or something like that.
ITYM Fest, although sometimes we make a meal of it ;-)
cheers
andrew
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Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
we need something that is alphanumerically less than beta.
antebeta1?
Then, each commit-fest, we up the ante
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Kevin Grittner kevin.gritt...@wicourts.gov writes:
Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
we need something that is alphanumerically less than beta.
antebeta1?
Then, each commit-fest, we up the ante
rotfl...
Actually just ante1 would work better for that joke.
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 16:34 -0500, Kevin Grittner wrote:
Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
we need something that is alphanumerically less than beta.
antebeta1?
Then, each commit-fest, we up the ante
1stCF09
2ndCF09
3rdCF09
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Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com wrote:
Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
we need something that is alphanumerically less than beta.
1stCF09
2ndCF09
3rdCF09
Ah, but those would sort higher than letters in EBCDIC
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Bruce,
As far as the release notes, I think we would have to have proof that
the alpha-generated release notes are as good or close to the quality of
the release notes using the current process. If they are, we can use
them for 8.6, or even for 8.5 if the quality is similar, but we can't
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Josh Berkusj...@agliodbs.com wrote:
As far as the release notes, I think we would have to have proof that
the alpha-generated release notes are as good or close to the quality of
the release notes using the current process. If they are, we can use
them for 8.6,
On Monday 03 August 2009 23:08:51 Josh Berkus wrote:
There's another question for alpha releases: are we going to build docs?
Yes, absolutely. I'm working on making the documentation build part of the
tarball build procedure.
Either for www.postgresql.org, or for PGDATA/docs?
The web team
On Monday 03 August 2009 23:13:27 Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Josh Berkus wrote:
I think we need some kind of docs up, otherwise we'll get little
actual testing. As previously discussed, building the docs yourself
from pure source involves several complicated dependancies which
aren't
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 16:06, Peter Eisentrautpete...@gmx.net wrote:
On Monday 03 August 2009 23:08:51 Josh Berkus wrote:
The web team has to figure out whether putting the docs on the web site is
worthwhile. We already have the developer docs that are rebuild on every
check-in.
As long as
Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net writes:
On Monday 03 August 2009 23:13:27 Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
going to have release notes?
There will still be release notes. They might not be as polished as the
final
ones, but
Tom Lane wrote:
Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net writes:
On Monday 03 August 2009 23:13:27 Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
going to have release notes?
There will still be release notes. They might not be as polished as the
On Tuesday 04 August 2009 17:48:12 Tom Lane wrote:
Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net writes:
On Monday 03 August 2009 23:13:27 Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
going to have release notes?
There will still be release notes.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Tom Lanet...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net writes:
On Monday 03 August 2009 23:13:27 Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
going to have release notes?
There will still be
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Tom Lanet...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
That would be great, but who's going to do them?
I think the question is who are you going to allow to do them?.
You misread that entirely. What I was pointing out was that we didn't
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Tom Lanet...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Tom Lanet...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
That would be great, but who's going to do them?
I think the question is who are you going to allow to do them?.
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes:
I'm willing to help if these are 8.5 release notes in process. I'm
not willing to help if they are alpha release notes that will be
thrown away afterwards. Which is it?
That depends largely on what they look like when we get to beta,
I imagine. Are
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Tom Lanet...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes:
I'm willing to help if these are 8.5 release notes in process. I'm
not willing to help if they are alpha release notes that will be
thrown away afterwards. Which is it?
That depends
On Tuesday 04 August 2009 18:52:06 Robert Haas wrote:
I'm willing to help if these are 8.5 release notes in process. I'm
not willing to help if they are alpha release notes that will be
thrown away afterwards. Which is it?
I was working on the latter assumption.
I have some reservations
I have some reservations about the former approach. It would basically commit
us right now to having a consistent set of volunteers available every two
months within specific 1-2 day spans. Which is the sort of thing I wanted to
avoid. But if we have that commitment, then go for it.
Can we
Magnus,
I don't think we should keep an archive of old alphas though -
that's going to leave us with insane amounts of documentation sets.
But we could have a /docs/alpha/ which would hold the latest released
alpha.
Yes, that's perfect.
For that matter, for the release notes, I wasn't
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Peter Eisentrautpete...@gmx.net wrote:
On Tuesday 04 August 2009 18:52:06 Robert Haas wrote:
I'm willing to help if these are 8.5 release notes in process. I'm
not willing to help if they are alpha release notes that will be
thrown away afterwards. Which is
Peter,
There's another question for alpha releases: are we going to build docs?
Either for www.postgresql.org, or for PGDATA/docs?
I think we need some kind of docs up, otherwise we'll get little actual
testing. As previously discussed, building the docs yourself from pure
source involves
Josh Berkus wrote:
I think we need some kind of docs up, otherwise we'll get little
actual testing. As previously discussed, building the docs yourself
from pure source involves several complicated dependancies which
aren't available on all platforms.
Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or
Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
going to have release notes?
I still think we should be doing release notes for the Alphas. It will
limit the pain of doing release notes for the final release; they'll be
done already except formatting.
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Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com writes:
Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
going to have release notes?
I still think we should be doing release notes for the Alphas.
Are you volunteering?
regards, tom lane
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Josh Berkus wrote:
Are we going to ship ChangeLog files or some such, giving that we're not
going to have release notes?
I still think we should be doing release notes for the Alphas. It
will limit the pain of doing release notes for the final release;
they'll be done already except
Are you volunteering?
Maybe; is there a template where I can access it?
Robert pointed out I ought to get involved anyway for 8.5 so that we can
stop having separate release notes and public versions of the new
features.
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