Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-15 Thread Jeff Trout
On Nov 14, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Jeff Frost wrote: On an 8xRAID10 volume with the smaller Areca controller we were seeing around 450 seeks/sec. On our 6 disk raid10 on a 3ware 9550sx I'm able to get about 120 seek + reads/sec per process, with an aggregate up to about 500 or so. The

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-15 Thread Vivek Khera
On Nov 14, 2007, at 5:36 PM, Jeff Frost wrote: I believe these were both on ext3. I thought I had some XFS results available for comparison, but I couldn't find them. You'd see similar with the UFS2 file system on FreeBSD. ---(end of

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-15 Thread Alan Hodgson
On Wednesday 14 November 2007, Jeff Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, impressive RAID-6 performance (not so impressive RAID-10 performance, but that could be a filesystem issue). Note to self; try an Areca controller in next storage server. I believe these were both on ext3. I thought I

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-14 Thread Jeff Frost
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Alan Hodgson wrote: On Tuesday 13 November 2007, Jeff Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Areca ARC1261ML. Note that results were similar for an 8 drive RAID6 vs 8 drive RAID10, but I don't have those bonnie results any longer. Version 1.03 --Sequential

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-14 Thread Alan Hodgson
On Tuesday 13 November 2007, Jeff Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Areca ARC1261ML. Note that results were similar for an 8 drive RAID6 vs 8 drive RAID10, but I don't have those bonnie results any longer. Version 1.03 --Sequential Output-- --Sequential Input- --Random- -Per

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-14 Thread Jeff Frost
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Merlin Moncure wrote: On Nov 14, 2007 5:24 PM, Alan Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 13 November 2007, Jeff Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Areca ARC1261ML. Note that results were similar for an 8 drive RAID6 vs 8 drive RAID10, but I don't have those bonnie

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-13 Thread Alan Hodgson
On November 9, 2007, Vivek Khera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 8, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Alan Hodgson wrote: You can't touch RAID 10 for performance or reliability. The only reason to use RAID 5 or RAID 6 is to get more capacity out of the same drives. Maybe you can't, but I can. I guess

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-13 Thread Jeff Frost
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Alan Hodgson wrote: OK, I'll bite. Name one RAID controller that gives better write performance in RAID 6 than it does in RAID 10, and post the benchmarks. I'll grant a theoretical reliability edge to RAID 6 (although actual implementations are a lot more iffy), but not

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-13 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Nov 8, 2007 1:22 PM, Scott Marlowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine too. I would suggest though, that by the time you get to 14 disks, you switch from RAID-5 to RAID-6 so you have double redundancy. Performance of a degraded array is better in RAID6 than RAID5, and you can run your rebuilds

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-09 Thread Florian Weimer
* Scott Marlowe: If the right two disks fail in a RAID-10 you lose everything. Admittedly, that's a pretty remote possibility, It's not, unless you carefully layout the RAID-1 subunits so that their drives aren't physically adjacent. 8-/ I don't think many controllers support that. --

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-09 Thread Jurgen Haan
Apart from the disks, you might also investigate using Opterons instead of Xeons. there appears to be some significant dent in performance between Opteron and Xeon. Xeons appear to spend more time in passing around ownership of memory cache lines in case of a spinlock. It's not yet clear whether

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-09 Thread Claus Guttesen
Apart from the disks, you might also investigate using Opterons instead of Xeons. there appears to be some significant dent in performance between Opteron and Xeon. Xeons appear to spend more time in passing around ownership of memory cache lines in case of a spinlock. It's not yet clear

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-09 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Nov 9, 2007 10:40 AM, Claus Guttesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apart from the disks, you might also investigate using Opterons instead of Xeons. there appears to be some significant dent in performance between Opteron and Xeon. Xeons appear to spend more time in passing around ownership

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-09 Thread Greg Smith
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Scott Marlowe wrote: Not atm. Until new benchmarks are published comparing AMD's new quad-core with Intel's ditto, Intel has the edge. http://tweakers.net/reviews/657/6 For 8 cores, it appears AMD has the lead, read this (stolen from another thread):

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-09 Thread Vivek Khera
On Nov 8, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Alan Hodgson wrote: You can't touch RAID 10 for performance or reliability. The only reason to use RAID 5 or RAID 6 is to get more capacity out of the same drives. Maybe you can't, but I can. I guess I have better toys than you :-)

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-08 Thread Vivek Khera
On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Greg Smith wrote: elsewhere. But once you have enough disks in an array to spread all the load over that itself may improve write throughput enough to still be a net improvement. This has been my expeience with 14+ disks in an array (both RAID10 and RAID5).

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-08 Thread Vivek Khera
On Nov 6, 2007, at 5:12 AM, Tore Halset wrote: Here are our current alternatives: Two things I recommend. If the drives are made by western digital, run away. If the PERC5/i is an Adaptec card, run away. Max out your cache RAM on the RAID card. 256 is the minimum when you have such

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-08 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Nov 8, 2007 10:43 AM, Vivek Khera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Greg Smith wrote: elsewhere. But once you have enough disks in an array to spread all the load over that itself may improve write throughput enough to still be a net improvement. This has been my

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-08 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Nov 8, 2007 2:56 PM, Alan Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 08 November 2007, Dimitri Fontaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is raid6 better than raid10 in term of overall performances, or a better cut when you need capacity more than throughput? You can't touch RAID 10 for performance or

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-08 Thread Alan Hodgson
On Thursday 08 November 2007, Dimitri Fontaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is raid6 better than raid10 in term of overall performances, or a better cut when you need capacity more than throughput? You can't touch RAID 10 for performance or reliability. The only reason to use RAID 5 or RAID 6 is to get

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-08 Thread Kevin Grittner
On Thu, Nov 8, 2007 at 2:14 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dimitri Fontaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Dell 2900 5U machine has 10 spindles max, that would make 2 for the OS (raid1) and 8 for mixing WAL and data... not enough to benefit from the move, or still to test? From our

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-08 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Le Thursday 08 November 2007 19:22:48 Scott Marlowe, vous avez écrit : On Nov 8, 2007 10:43 AM, Vivek Khera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Greg Smith wrote: elsewhere. But once you have enough disks in an array to spread all the load over that itself may improve

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-08 Thread Vivek Khera
On Nov 8, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: I've heard the newest adaptecs, even the perc implementations aren't bad. I have a pair of Adaptec 2230SLP cards. Worst. Just replaced them on Tuesday with fibre channel cards connected to external RAID enclosures. Much nicer.

[PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-06 Thread Tore Halset
Hello. We are planning to move from MS SQL Server to PostgreSQL for our production system. Bot read and write performance are equally important. Writing is the bottleneck of our current MS SQL Server system. All of our existing servers are from Dell, but I want to look at some other

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-06 Thread Claus Guttesen
All of our existing servers are from Dell, but I want to look at some other options as well. We are currently looking at rack boxes with 8 internal SAS discs. Two mirrored for OS, Two mirrored for WAL and 4 in raid 10 for the base. Here are our current alternatives: 1) Dell 2900 (5U) 8 *

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-06 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Hi List, Le mardi 06 novembre 2007, Tore Halset a écrit : 1) Dell 2900 (5U) 8 * 146 GB SAS 15Krpm 3,5 8GB ram Perc 5/i. battery backup. 256MB ram. 2 * 4 Xeon 2,66GHz In fact you can add 2 hot-plug disks on this setup, connected to the frontpane. We've bought this very same model with 10 15

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-06 Thread Stephen Frost
Tore, * Tore Halset ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: All of our existing servers are from Dell, but I want to look at some other options as well. We are currently looking at rack boxes with 8 internal SAS discs. Two mirrored for OS, Two mirrored for WAL and 4 in raid 10 for the base. I'm a big

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-06 Thread Tore Halset
On Nov 6, 2007, at 12:53 , Dimitri Fontaine wrote: Le mardi 06 novembre 2007, Tore Halset a écrit : 1) Dell 2900 (5U) 8 * 146 GB SAS 15Krpm 3,5 8GB ram Perc 5/i. battery backup. 256MB ram. 2 * 4 Xeon 2,66GHz In fact you can add 2 hot-plug disks on this setup, connected to the frontpane.

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-06 Thread Tore Halset
On Nov 6, 2007, at 12:36 , Claus Guttesen wrote: All of our existing servers are from Dell, but I want to look at some other options as well. We are currently looking at rack boxes with 8 internal SAS discs. Two mirrored for OS, Two mirrored for WAL and 4 in raid 10 for the base. Here are

Re: [PERFORM] dell versus hp

2007-11-06 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Le mardi 06 novembre 2007, Tore Halset a écrit : Interesting. Do you have any benchmarking numbers? Did you test with software raid 10 as well? Just some basic pg_restore figures, which only make sense (for me anyway) when compared to restoring same data on other machines, and to show the