[Pharo-dev] System Browser UX analysis - double key shortcuts

2016-06-09 Thread Ben Coman
I happened to be back using a Squeak image to run the VM simulator and wanted to report my experience that it was a *joy* to again be able to use to delete methods from the System Browser. Over the past >12 months rather than complain about the double-key shortcuts, I've given myself time to

Re: [Pharo-dev] spotter usage - a rough analysis of categories

2016-06-09 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Impressive analysis! This is worth to discuss these findings in an academic venue. Alexandre > On Jun 9, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > > Hi, > > Juraj, Andrei and I did a rough analysis collected from 94 computers over the > past 7 months. Of these, only 42

[Pharo-dev] spotter usage - a rough analysis of categories

2016-06-09 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, Juraj, Andrei and I did a rough analysis collected from 94 computers over the past 7 months. Of these, only 42 recorded more than 9 sessions so we only focused on these. It can be because the rest switched off the data collection in the meantime. We also excluded the computers of the GT

Re: [Pharo-dev] IMPORTANT: Proposal to create a github team for Voyage and MongoTalk

2016-06-09 Thread Martin Dias
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > But well… is done :) > behold the new pharo-nosql organisation! > > https://github.com/pharo-nosql > > already running with travis ci (appveyor is on the way, in fact is done, I > just need to modify the vm :P) > >

Re: [Pharo-dev] Privacy sendDiagnosticsAndUsageData should be ternary, not binary

2016-06-09 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, > On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Andrei Chis wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:28 AM, stepharo wrote: > > > > Le 7/6/16 à 12:00, Andrei Chis a écrit : >> Hi Peter, >> >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Peter Uhnak

Re: [Pharo-dev] Story of one small fix

2016-06-09 Thread stepharo
So it is clear that we need configurations that will be created and managed automatically and will enable swapping of repositories. We had already several discussions on this theme and from my point of view we need: - own separate repository for every semi-external project. So something

Re: [Pharo-dev] IMPORTANT: Proposal to create a github team for Voyage and MongoTalk

2016-06-09 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2016-06-09 13:21 GMT-03:00 Martin Dias : > On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Yanni Chiu wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:58 AM, Esteban Lorenzano >> wrote: >>> And finally, more we move, more we have encourage to improve the

Re: [Pharo-dev] IMPORTANT: Proposal to create a github team for Voyage and MongoTalk

2016-06-09 Thread Martin Dias
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Yanni Chiu wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:58 AM, Esteban Lorenzano > wrote: > >> >> And finally, more we move, more we have encourage to improve the tools, >> complete the missing parts… >> > > About a year ago I

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

2016-06-09 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/tags/60074 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] f826c9: 60074

2016-06-09 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/heads/6.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: f826c9d2a2e22c127482ee6138fc8a0515c1914d https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/f826c9d2a2e22c127482ee6138fc8a0515c1914d Author: Jenkins Build Server Date:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Story of one small fix

2016-06-09 Thread Nicolai Hess
2016-06-09 16:32 GMT+02:00 stepharo : > I have a mental block to contributing to part of Pharo maintained in >> external repositories. Maybe its unreasonable, but it just *feels* >> like too much friction. If I've worked on an issue, I. just. want. >> to. submit. it! >> > >

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

2016-06-09 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/tags/60073 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 6a81de: 60073

2016-06-09 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/heads/6.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 6a81dea7b05b7017ebbcd7a9363fea0545ee74cd https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/6a81dea7b05b7017ebbcd7a9363fea0545ee74cd Author: Jenkins Build Server Date:

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] bb7382: 60072

2016-06-09 Thread stepharo
Le 9/6/16 à 09:04, Marcus Denker a écrit : On 08 Jun 2016, at 19:46, stepharo wrote: 60072 18451 Do not use #ifNotNilDo:ifNil:, #ifNil:ifNotNilDo:, #ifNotNilDo: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18451 Is there a rule for such case? Indeed, there are!

Re: [Pharo-dev] Story of one small fix

2016-06-09 Thread Ben Coman
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > > > 2016-06-08 19:40 GMT+02:00 stepharo : >> >> ***THANKS*** Pavel. >> >> Yes it is the best way to make sure that nobody wants to work at this >> level. We discussed this problem during the last

Re: [Pharo-dev] Story of one small fix

2016-06-09 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Cargo will not fix the dependency mess. maybe it will be easy the process, but it will not fix the real problem: we have a system that’s not made in a modular way. We are working hard to make it possible, but until we finish that there will be fixes that will touch more than one “module” and

Re: [Pharo-dev] Story of one small fix

2016-06-09 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 09 Jun 2016, at 10:03, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > > So does we all agree to commit fixes for external packages by slices without > new configs? that would break the bootstrap process, so no. Esteban > > 2016-06-09 9:42 GMT+02:00 Pavel Krivanek

Re: [Pharo-dev] Story of one small fix

2016-06-09 Thread Serge Stinckwich
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > We cannot do that right now. I hope that we will replace configurations with > Cargo. When Cargo will be deployed ? -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk

Re: [Pharo-dev] Story of one small fix

2016-06-09 Thread Pavel Krivanek
We cannot do that right now. I hope that we will replace configurations with Cargo. -- Pavel 2016-06-09 10:03 GMT+02:00 Denis Kudriashov : > So does we all agree to commit fixes for external packages by slices > without new configs? > > 2016-06-09 9:42 GMT+02:00 Pavel

Re: [Pharo-dev] Privacy sendDiagnosticsAndUsageData should be ternary, not binary

2016-06-09 Thread Peter Uhnák
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Andrei Chis wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:28 AM, stepharo wrote: > >> >> >> Le 7/6/16 à 12:00, Andrei Chis a écrit : >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Peter Uhnak

Re: [Pharo-dev] Privacy sendDiagnosticsAndUsageData should be ternary, not binary

2016-06-09 Thread Andrei Chis
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:28 AM, stepharo wrote: > > > Le 7/6/16 à 12:00, Andrei Chis a écrit : > > Hi Peter, > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Peter Uhnak wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Privacy>>sendDiagnosticsAndUsageData should be ternary, not binary. >> >>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Story of one small fix

2016-06-09 Thread Denis Kudriashov
So does we all agree to commit fixes for external packages by slices without new configs? 2016-06-09 9:42 GMT+02:00 Pavel Krivanek : > > > 2016-06-08 19:40 GMT+02:00 stepharo : > >> ***THANKS*** Pavel. >> >> Yes it is the best way to make sure that

Re: [Pharo-dev] Story of one small fix

2016-06-09 Thread Pavel Krivanek
2016-06-08 19:40 GMT+02:00 stepharo : > ***THANKS*** Pavel. > > Yes it is the best way to make sure that nobody wants to work at this > level. We discussed this problem during the last board meeting. This is why > I proposed the following process. > > When the core Pharo

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] bb7382: 60072

2016-06-09 Thread Marcus Denker
> On 08 Jun 2016, at 19:46, stepharo wrote: > > >> 60072 >> 18451 Do not use #ifNotNilDo:ifNil:, #ifNil:ifNotNilDo:, #ifNotNilDo: >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18451 >> >> > > Is there a rule for such case? > Indeed, there are! RBRuleIfNotEmptyDo

Re: [Pharo-dev] IMPORTANT: Proposal to create a github team for Voyage and MongoTalk

2016-06-09 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
yes, this is one of my intentions: MongoTalk and Voyage are very co-dependent tools and needs to be close. for example, we have a new MongoTalk version and Voyage depends on it, but there is no stable configuration so people is having a lot of problems. Of course this is easy fixable, but if

Re: [Pharo-dev] IMPORTANT: Proposal to create a github team for Voyage and MongoTalk

2016-06-09 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 09 Jun 2016, at 08:58, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > well, I think is the opposite: at this moment all active voyage developers > are already using git/github (because voyage is being developed there, just > in mine repository)… and it happens they are also the

Re: [Pharo-dev] IMPORTANT: Proposal to create a github team for Voyage and MongoTalk

2016-06-09 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, > On 09 Jun 2016, at 00:51, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > > On 08/06/16 11:54, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> Using github we can benefit of their tools to improve our process >> (issue tracker, travis and appveyor, etc.) and we will improve >> project visibility. > > I fear