Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-22 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2014-06-20 5:06 GMT-03:00 Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com: 2014-06-19 18:35 GMT+02:00 Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com: What kind of applications? Is there an business interest of running on ARM processors? Is there a sale advantage of having this? I don't want to sound too

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-20 Thread Clément Bera
2014-06-19 18:35 GMT+02:00 Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com: Hi Clement, 2014-06-19 12:52 GMT-03:00 Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com: 2014-06-18 15:39 GMT+02:00 Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com: Can you share what is the intended use of the android vm that you're

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-20 Thread Jan Vrany
Hi, Yes there is a business interest of running on ARM processors. Some of the big companies use smalltalk on their own hardware for very specific tasks, and they are now constraint to use x86 processor due to smalltalk. There are other smalltalks that run on non-x86 non-amd64 machines.

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-19 Thread Jean Baptiste Arnaud
Can you share what is the intended use of the android vm that you're building? -_^ ? Run StackVM on an android is not enough from intellectual point of view ? I am not sure to understand the question. Why I do that, Because I can :-) I am based on the StackVM unix, my main objective is to

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-19 Thread Clément Bera
2014-06-18 15:39 GMT+02:00 Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com: Jean, Can you share what is the intended use of the android vm that you're building? - Deploying application on Android - Proving to big customers Pharo can run on ARM processor on the contrary to several other smalltalks

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-19 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2014-06-19 12:35 GMT-03:00 Jean Baptiste Arnaud jbaptiste.arn...@gmail.com: Can you share what is the intended use of the android vm that you're building? -_^ ? Run StackVM on an android is not enough from intellectual point of view ? I am not sure to understand the question. Why I do

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-19 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
Hi Clement, 2014-06-19 12:52 GMT-03:00 Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com: 2014-06-18 15:39 GMT+02:00 Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com: Can you share what is the intended use of the android vm that you're building? - Deploying application on Android - Proving to big customers

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-19 Thread p...@highoctane.be
A good place to run Pharo for IoT would be on an ARM-based Synology box. That would be a killer niche. Phil On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Clement, 2014-06-19 12:52 GMT-03:00 Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com: 2014-06-18 15:39

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-19 Thread kilon alios
I got an iPhone for my father recently and he was blown away by the capabilities of the device I was describing him. Then I was surprised by the fact he was surprised. Then I took a step back and tried to be in his place. Then I was blown away too. Here is this 70 year old man, he is used to

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-19 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
Hi Kilon, 2014-06-19 16:17 GMT-03:00 kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com: And not to sound out of topic VM on Android is the single most important thing for the future of Pharo. Mobile market wont become smaller it will become much larger. Because smartphones are really lately that have turned

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-19 Thread kilon alios
I disagree here. As an example, Android is switching its JIT runtime for an AOT one, because with JIT the performance (mostly related with UI perception) is slower than its iOS counterpart even when running on better hardware. Most of the popular apps use native multithreading intensively to

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-18 Thread Jean Baptiste Arnaud
I am really close to finish the android VM, only based on the Unix source (just decorate with less than 20 lines of codes, I need a entry point for the interpreter loop and some convention that cannot change via the android builder). + one graphical plugin and a C file for communicate between

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-18 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
Jean, Can you share what is the intended use of the android vm that you're building? Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2014-06-18 9:56 GMT-03:00 Jean Baptiste Arnaud jbaptiste.arn...@gmail.com: I am really close to finish the android VM, only based on the Unix source (just decorate with less

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-18 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Hi Jean-Baptiste, Dmitry wrote some hook to call the Android Virtual keyboard from the image, and may be some other I forget about. Hilaire Le 18/06/2014 14:56, Jean Baptiste Arnaud a écrit : CogDroid, project is not maintain since 3 or 4 years. But still seems work (just have a completely

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-11 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Yes, it requires investment. My dream was to earn a few money with DrGeo on tablet to pay grant to people to work a bit on Pharo4Tablet. I was over optimistic. May be iStoa would have better chance because of a larger audience, but there is a lot to do. However it is very interesting to develop

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-10 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2014-06-09 17:08 GMT-03:00 p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be: Le 9 juin 2014 20:40, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com a écrit : I have to admit Esteban is absolutely right. DrGeo on Android and iPad were very interesting experiences but it is not up to the expect level in

[Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-09 Thread Pablo R. Digonzelli
Hi all, i want to know if it is planning develop a vm over android? Time frame ? TIA Ing. Pablo Digonzelli Software Solutions IP-Solutiones SRL Metrotec SRL 25 de Mayo 521 Email: pdigonze...@softsargentina.com pdigonze...@gmail.com Cel: 5493815982714

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-09 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, JB is about to finish a new version. No idea when, but soon :) Esteabn On 09 Jun 2014, at 11:50, Pablo R. Digonzelli pdigonze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, i want to know if it is planning develop a vm over android? Time frame ? TIA Ing. Pablo Digonzelli Software Solutions

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-09 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
I have been using it for DrGeo https://code.google.com/p/squeakvm-tablet/wiki/JenkinsBuilds Hilaire Le 09/06/2014 16:50, Pablo R. Digonzelli a écrit : Hi all, i want to know if it is planning develop a vm over android? Time frame ? TIA

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-09 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
13:27:52 Asunto: Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android I have been using it for DrGeo https://code.google.com/p/squeakvm-tablet/wiki/JenkinsBuilds Hilaire Le 09/06/2014 16:50, Pablo R. Digonzelli a écrit : Hi all, i want to know if it is planning develop a vm over android? Time frame ? TIA

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-09 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
-dev] vm over android I have been using it for DrGeo https://code.google.com/p/squeakvm-tablet/wiki/JenkinsBuilds Hilaire Le 09/06/2014 16:50, Pablo R. Digonzelli a écrit : Hi all, i want to know if it is planning develop a vm over android? Time frame ? TIA

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

2014-06-09 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Junio 2014 13:27:52 Asunto: Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android I have been using it for DrGeo https://code.google.com/p/squeakvm-tablet/wiki/JenkinsBuilds Hilaire Le 09/06/2014 16:50, Pablo R. Digonzelli a écrit : Hi all, i want to know if it is planning develop a vm over android