Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

[Esteban Lorenzano]

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 14:21, David T. Lewis  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:08:54PM +0200, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:12, Skip Lentz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo VM 
 from inside the image ?
>>> 
>>> If I???m not mistaken, it is what OSProcess is for. I think this should be 
>>> it:
>>> 
 OSProcess thisOSProcess pid.
>>> 
>>> The comment of thisOSProcess says:
>>> 
>>> "Answer a single instance of the class corresponding to the OS process in 
>>> which this Smalltalk image is executing."
>> 
>> OK, that seems to works in Pharo 5. Thanks.
>> 
>> I don't know the overall status of OSProcess in Pharo though. Is is 100% 
>> supported in all current versions, 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 ? Is it based on a 
>> plugin or on native boost ? Should it be included by default ?
>> 
> 
> It should be working in all Pharo versions. It is based on a VM plugin.
> 
> I am the author of OSProcess, and I try to keep it working in Pharo as well
> as Squeak. Thierry Goubier also works on OSProcess for Pharo (and he has write
> access to the repository).
> 
> No, OSProcess should not be included in the image. It is intended to be
> an external package.

mmm… we want to include it as more and more people requires it and we can 
profit from having it in the image (same as FFI). 
why do you think it should be external?

Esteban

> 
> Dave
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Survey] QualityAssistant experience mini-survey

[Mariano Martinez Peck]

OK Done.
Where I can see the answers now?  :)  I put I didn't know many of the
features (I use it 99% of the time in Nautilus) and I do want to know now!


On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk  wrote:

> Dear Pharoers,
>
> I kindly ask you to participate in the QualityAssistant mini-survey:
> http://rio.inf.usi.ch/survey/index.php/818331.
> It will take only a few minutes of your time (or less), and will give us a
> better understanding of how QualityAssistant is currently used and how to
> improve it.
>
> Cheers!
> Yuriy
>



-- 
Mariano
http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Re: [Pharo-dev] UUID for the Session?

[Marcus Denker]

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 12:50, Yuriy Tymchuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’ve noticed that there is a Session class, which is meant to be used as a 
> unique identifier of an image session. Is it possible to obtain some king of 
> identifier of it? I.e. if I want to compare some data associated with session 
> outside of the image. If not, maybe we can simply create a new UUID in 
> Session>>initialize and store it in an ivar?
> 
A UUID per session could be a nice thing, yes.

Marcus

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

[Esteban Lorenzano]

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 14:08, Sven Van Caekenberghe  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:12, Skip Lentz  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo VM from 
>>> inside the image ?
>> 
>> If I’m not mistaken, it is what OSProcess is for. I think this should be it:
>> 
>>> OSProcess thisOSProcess pid.
>> 
>> The comment of thisOSProcess says:
>> 
>> "Answer a single instance of the class corresponding to the OS process in 
>> which this Smalltalk image is executing."
> 
> OK, that seems to works in Pharo 5. Thanks.
> 
> I don't know the overall status of OSProcess in Pharo though. Is is 100% 
> supported in all current versions, 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 ? Is it based on a plugin 
> or on native boost ? Should it be included by default ?

100%
Plugin
yes it should :)

Esteban

ps: But the plugin has some problems in windows. So, it is supported 100% of 
the support it provides… so we need to improve that :P

> 
> 
> 

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 23abad: 50322

[GitHub]

  Branch: refs/heads/5.0
  Home:   https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
  Commit: 23abada802d46131b83481872d8dc5e1972d04a9
  
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/23abada802d46131b83481872d8dc5e1972d04a9
  Author: Jenkins Build Server 
  Date:   2015-09-14 (Mon, 14 Sep 2015)

  Changed paths:
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dependency analyser/manuallyResolvedDependencies.st
R FileSystem-Core.package/Path.class/class/as yet unclassified/cleanUp.st
R 
FileSystem-Core.package/Path.class/class/private/absoluteWindowsPathRegex.st
M FileSystem-Core.package/Path.class/class/private/isAbsoluteWindowsPath_.st
A 
FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/PathTest.class/instance/tests/testIsAbsoluteWindowsPathReturnsFalseWhenNoWindowsAbsolutePathProvided.st
A 
FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/PathTest.class/instance/tests/testIsAbsoluteWindowsPathReturnsTrueWhenWindowsAbsolutePathProvided.st
A Regex-Core.package/RxMatcher.class/instance/splitjoin/split_indicesDo_.st
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scripts/script50321.st
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ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st

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https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16557

16550 Bad BlueInk block formatting
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16550

16558 Collections-Abstract should not depend on Regex-Core
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16558

http://files.pharo.org/image/50/50322.zip

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

[GitHub]

  Branch: refs/tags/50322
  Home:   https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

[David T. Lewis]

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:08:54PM +0200, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
> 
> > On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:12, Skip Lentz  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo VM 
> >> from inside the image ?
> > 
> > If I???m not mistaken, it is what OSProcess is for. I think this should be 
> > it:
> > 
> >> OSProcess thisOSProcess pid.
> > 
> > The comment of thisOSProcess says:
> > 
> > "Answer a single instance of the class corresponding to the OS process in 
> > which this Smalltalk image is executing."
> 
> OK, that seems to works in Pharo 5. Thanks.
> 
> I don't know the overall status of OSProcess in Pharo though. Is is 100% 
> supported in all current versions, 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 ? Is it based on a plugin 
> or on native boost ? Should it be included by default ?
> 

It should be working in all Pharo versions. It is based on a VM plugin.

I am the author of OSProcess, and I try to keep it working in Pharo as well
as Squeak. Thierry Goubier also works on OSProcess for Pharo (and he has write
access to the repository).

No, OSProcess should not be included in the image. It is intended to be
an external package.

Dave

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

[p...@highoctane.be]

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Esteban Lorenzano 
wrote:

>
> > On 14 Sep 2015, at 14:21, David T. Lewis  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:08:54PM +0200, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:12, Skip Lentz  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe 
> wrote:
> 
>  Hi,
> 
>  Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo
> VM from inside the image ?
> >>>
> >>> If I???m not mistaken, it is what OSProcess is for. I think this
> should be it:
> >>>
>  OSProcess thisOSProcess pid.
> >>>
> >>> The comment of thisOSProcess says:
> >>>
> >>> "Answer a single instance of the class corresponding to the OS process
> in which this Smalltalk image is executing."
> >>
> >> OK, that seems to works in Pharo 5. Thanks.
> >>
> >> I don't know the overall status of OSProcess in Pharo though. Is is
> 100% supported in all current versions, 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 ? Is it based on a
> plugin or on native boost ? Should it be included by default ?
> >>
> >
> > It should be working in all Pharo versions. It is based on a VM plugin.
> >
> > I am the author of OSProcess, and I try to keep it working in Pharo as
> well
> > as Squeak. Thierry Goubier also works on OSProcess for Pharo (and he has
> write
> > access to the repository).
> >
> > No, OSProcess should not be included in the image. It is intended to be
> > an external package.
>
> mmm… we want to include it as more and more people requires it and we can
> profit from having it in the image (same as FFI).
> why do you think it should be external?
>

Would be nice to have it in. It is one of the first things I load in my
images. How else can we access environment variables, pids, ... ?
Beware: some version have issues of performance (in Pharo3).

Phil

>
> Esteban
>
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Pharo-dev] UUID for the Session?

[Yuriy Tymchuk]

Hi,

I’ve noticed that there is a Session class, which is meant to be used as a 
unique identifier of an image session. Is it possible to obtain some king of 
identifier of it? I.e. if I want to compare some data associated with session 
outside of the image. If not, maybe we can simply create a new UUID in 
Session>>initialize and store it in an ivar?

Cheers!
Uko

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Pillar 2.0.0: Introduction of PetitPillar

[Damien Cassou]

Alexandre Bergel  writes:

> I use Pillar for AgileVisualization. One problem I have is that the
> book contains many code snippets. How can I run all the code snippet
> in order to spot error? Is there an easy way for that?

something like https://github.com/pillar-markup/pillar/issues/71 ?


-- 
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

[Pharo-dev] [Issue tracker] Reviews needed

[Marcus Denker]

Hi,

Please do not forget to review issues… people have no idea how much simpler it 
is to get these things
in (or not) based on multiple peoples judgement as opposed to just two (or even 
one).

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/45/Review

Marcus

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

[Ben Coman]

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Esteban Lorenzano  wrote:
>
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 14:21, David T. Lewis  wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:08:54PM +0200, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>>>
 On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:12, Skip Lentz  wrote:


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo VM 
> from inside the image ?

 If I???m not mistaken, it is what OSProcess is for. I think this should be 
 it:

> OSProcess thisOSProcess pid.

 The comment of thisOSProcess says:

 "Answer a single instance of the class corresponding to the OS process in 
 which this Smalltalk image is executing."
>>>
>>> OK, that seems to works in Pharo 5. Thanks.
>>>
>>> I don't know the overall status of OSProcess in Pharo though. Is is 100% 
>>> supported in all current versions, 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 ? Is it based on a 
>>> plugin or on native boost ? Should it be included by default ?
>>>
>>
>> It should be working in all Pharo versions. It is based on a VM plugin.
>>
>> I am the author of OSProcess, and I try to keep it working in Pharo as well
>> as Squeak. Thierry Goubier also works on OSProcess for Pharo (and he has 
>> write
>> access to the repository).
>>
>> No, OSProcess should not be included in the image. It is intended to be
>> an external package.
>
> mmm… we want to include it as more and more people requires it and we can 
> profit from having it in the image (same as FFI).
> why do you think it should be external?

We should distinguish between having it traditionally-in-Image where
that is the only place it exists and fixes are integrated, and the
current trend (e.g. in-Image Glamorous Tools) where fixes are
integrated "upstream" into an external package

cheer -ben

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:11, Torsten Bergmann  wrote:
> 
> Did anyone ever look at my OS projects at http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~OS
> where I try to unify the native platforms (to keep platform independence) 
> while on the other side allow to use native functionality as much as possible:
> 
> 
> Gofer it
>   smalltalkhubUser: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo40';
>   configurationOf: 'OSUnix';
>   loadVersion: #stable.
> 
> =>  UnixProcess currentProcessId

OK, that works, thanks.

Pretty straightforward NativeBoost based code, small.

I seem to be missing the platform independence code (but I only care for OS X 
and Linux for my projects).

How does this relate to OSProcess ? Why did you start it ? What is the goal ?

> Gofer it
>   smalltalkhubUser: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo40';
>   configurationOf: 'OSWindows';
>   loadVersion: #stable.
>   
> =>  WinProcess currentProcessId
> 
> Have fun
> T.
> 
>> Gesendet: Montag, 14. September 2015 um 11:04 Uhr
>> Von: "Sven Van Caekenberghe" 
>> An: "Pharo Development List" 
>> Betreff: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo VM from 
>> inside the image ?
>> 
>> If not, I think that would be a nice addition.
>> 
>> Sven
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:12, Skip Lentz  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo VM from 
>> inside the image ?
> 
> If I’m not mistaken, it is what OSProcess is for. I think this should be it:
> 
>> OSProcess thisOSProcess pid.
> 
> The comment of thisOSProcess says:
> 
> "Answer a single instance of the class corresponding to the OS process in 
> which this Smalltalk image is executing."

OK, that seems to works in Pharo 5. Thanks.

I don't know the overall status of OSProcess in Pharo though. Is is 100% 
supported in all current versions, 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 ? Is it based on a plugin 
or on native boost ? Should it be included by default ?

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Survey] QualityAssistant experience mini-survey

[Damien Cassou]

Mariano Martinez Peck  writes:

> OK Done.
> Where I can see the answers now?  :)  I put I didn't know many of the
> features (I use it 99% of the time in Nautilus) and I do want to know now!

I agree, where can we get information about the not-so-visible features?

-- 
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Survey] QualityAssistant experience mini-survey

[Yuriy Tymchuk]

Hi, they are described here:  https://github.com/Uko/QualityAssistant#actions 


Mariano also reported that on Pharo 4 some actions are missing. I am 
investigating that.

Yuriy


> On 14 Sep 2015, at 15:58, Damien Cassou  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mariano Martinez Peck  writes:
> 
>> OK Done.
>> Where I can see the answers now?  :)  I put I didn't know many of the
>> features (I use it 99% of the time in Nautilus) and I do want to know now!
> 
> I agree, where can we get information about the not-so-visible features?
> 
> -- 
> Damien Cassou
> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
> 
> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
> losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [Survey] QualityAssistant experience mini-survey

[Yuriy Tymchuk]

I’ve downloaded a fresh Pharo 4 image and opened browser at: Object>>#at:put:

Looking at it should show you:


If you don’t see the “tools” and “cross” icons, then something strange is going 
on. In this case, can you send me the image that you are using?

Also the “ban" is described as “skipping” in doc. I forgot to update it.

Uko

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 16:20, Mariano Martinez Peck  wrote:
> 
> Hi Yuriy,
> 
> Another thing I cannot see in the documentation is about ban. To me is really 
> important how is persisted the banning. 
> How do you prevent the banning from being lost when I take a new image? Can I 
> export bans to fuel and re import in another image? 
> Some time ago when there was the manifiesto classes, the banning was stored 
> there, and so such class could be stored in monticello as part of your code, 
> which was a nice idea. But at the same time, it's hard to keep a banning 
> since you refactor... so..that's another question..do you do something with 
> banning upon certain refactors?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk  > wrote:
> Hi Mariano,
> 
> thanks for participating! You can read about the features here: 
> https://github.com/Uko/QualityAssistant#actions 
> 
> 
> If something is not clear please let me know, so I can improve.
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 15:21, Mariano Martinez Peck > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK Done. 
>> Where I can see the answers now?  :)  I put I didn't know many of the 
>> features (I use it 99% of the time in Nautilus) and I do want to know now!
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk > > wrote:
>> Dear Pharoers,
>> 
>> I kindly ask you to participate in the QualityAssistant mini-survey: 
>> http://rio.inf.usi.ch/survey/index.php/818331 
>> .
>> It will take only a few minutes of your time (or less), and will give us a 
>> better understanding of how QualityAssistant is currently used and how to 
>> improve it.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> Yuriy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mariano
>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com 

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

[Esteban Lorenzano]

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 15:18, Ben Coman  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Esteban Lorenzano  > wrote:
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 14:21, David T. Lewis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:08:54PM +0200, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
 
> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:12, Skip Lentz  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo VM 
>> from inside the image ?
> 
> If I???m not mistaken, it is what OSProcess is for. I think this should 
> be it:
> 
>> OSProcess thisOSProcess pid.
> 
> The comment of thisOSProcess says:
> 
> "Answer a single instance of the class corresponding to the OS process in 
> which this Smalltalk image is executing."
 
 OK, that seems to works in Pharo 5. Thanks.
 
 I don't know the overall status of OSProcess in Pharo though. Is is 100% 
 supported in all current versions, 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 ? Is it based on a 
 plugin or on native boost ? Should it be included by default ?
 
>>> 
>>> It should be working in all Pharo versions. It is based on a VM plugin.
>>> 
>>> I am the author of OSProcess, and I try to keep it working in Pharo as well
>>> as Squeak. Thierry Goubier also works on OSProcess for Pharo (and he has 
>>> write
>>> access to the repository).
>>> 
>>> No, OSProcess should not be included in the image. It is intended to be
>>> an external package.
>> 
>> mmm… we want to include it as more and more people requires it and we can 
>> profit from having it in the image (same as FFI).
>> why do you think it should be external?
> 
> We should distinguish between having it traditionally-in-Image where
> that is the only place it exists and fixes are integrated, and the
> current trend (e.g. in-Image Glamorous Tools) where fixes are
> integrated "upstream" into an external package

as you maybe noticed, we are slowly moving to an “all is configured” scheme. 
Which means everything included in image is both included AND external :)
the first step of that is not accepting framework contributions without their 
configurations… of course that means our tools need to improve because there 
are badly prepared to the task… but we are doing it. 
In an ideal world, Pharo will be a small kernel + a list of modules included 
through configurations (it will take time, but we will be there).

Esteban


> 
> cheer -ben

[Pharo-dev] Querying hierarchical entities in Voyage

[Yuriy Tymchuk]

Hi,

how can I query all the objects from a hierarchy? Should a do separate query 
for each subclass and then concatenate the results? Is there a more efficient 
solution?

Also what is the place to read about Voyage? 

Yuriy

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [Survey] QualityAssistant experience mini-survey

[Mariano Martinez Peck]

Hi Yuriy,

Another thing I cannot see in the documentation is about ban. To me is
really important how is persisted the banning.
How do you prevent the banning from being lost when I take a new image? Can
I export bans to fuel and re import in another image?
Some time ago when there was the manifiesto classes, the banning was stored
there, and so such class could be stored in monticello as part of your
code, which was a nice idea. But at the same time, it's hard to keep a
banning since you refactor... so..that's another question..do you do
something with banning upon certain refactors?

Thanks!


On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk 
wrote:

> Hi Mariano,
>
> thanks for participating! You can read about the features here:
> https://github.com/Uko/QualityAssistant#actions
>
> If something is not clear please let me know, so I can improve.
>
> On 14 Sep 2015, at 15:21, Mariano Martinez Peck 
> wrote:
>
> OK Done.
> Where I can see the answers now?  :)  I put I didn't know many of the
> features (I use it 99% of the time in Nautilus) and I do want to know now!
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Pharoers,
>>
>> I kindly ask you to participate in the QualityAssistant mini-survey:
>> http://rio.inf.usi.ch/survey/index.php/818331.
>> It will take only a few minutes of your time (or less), and will give us
>> a better understanding of how QualityAssistant is currently used and how to
>> improve it.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Yuriy
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>
>
>


-- 
Mariano
http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Re: [Pharo-dev] Querying hierarchical entities in Voyage

[Norbert Hartl]

> Am 14.09.2015 um 15:41 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> how can I query all the objects from a hierarchy? Should a do separate query 
> for each subclass and then concatenate the results? Is there a more efficient 
> solution?
> 
You can put something like that in your base class

mongoContainer

^ VOMongoContainer new
collectionName: 'user';
yourself

So every subclass will be stored in the user collection as well. If you query 
on the base class you will get all subclasses as well.

Norbert

> Also what is the place to read about Voyage? 
> 

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

[GitHub]

  Branch: refs/tags/50323
  Home:   https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

[Pharo-dev] System-Announcements: add a ProtocolRenamed announcement

[Skip Lentz]

Hello,

Right now, when you add or remove a protocol to a class you get two 
announcements (ignoring methods that may have been removed):

1. Protocol{Added,Removed}
2. ClassReorganized.

But when you rename a protocol, you get just ClassReorganized (again, ignoring 
the method recategorizations).
From this announcement, you only have access to the new class. So there is no 
way to tell the change.

To resolve this, I think a ProtocolRenamed announcement should be added, just 
like there is a CategoryRenamed announcement.

This way Epicea can also log this, which it currently does not do. It logs the 
recategorizations of the methods in the protocol, but not
the rename of the protocol. So as far as we can tell from the log, we can’t see 
if the renamed protocol still exists or not.

Please share your thoughts,

Skip

Re: [Pharo-dev] Querying hierarchical entities in Voyage

[Yuriy Tymchuk]

Thanks Norbert!

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 17:31, Norbert Hartl  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Am 14.09.2015 um 15:41 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> how can I query all the objects from a hierarchy? Should a do separate query 
>> for each subclass and then concatenate the results? Is there a more 
>> efficient solution?
>> 
> You can put something like that in your base class
> 
> mongoContainer
>   
>   ^ VOMongoContainer new
>   collectionName: 'user';
>   yourself
> 
> So every subclass will be stored in the user collection as well. If you query 
> on the base class you will get all subclasses as well.
> 
> Norbert
> 
>> Also what is the place to read about Voyage? 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 309117: 50323

[GitHub]

  Branch: refs/heads/5.0
  Home:   https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
  Commit: 30911717587a2fa15bc22339ddd55620746dbbdc
  
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/30911717587a2fa15bc22339ddd55620746dbbdc
  Author: Jenkins Build Server 
  Date:   2015-09-14 (Mon, 14 Sep 2015)

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  Log Message:
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  50323
16566 Replace WriteStream with writeStream message send in AST-Core
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16566

16556 Nautilus selection announcements intersect as they are in a hierarchy
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16556

16539 System-Changes and Compression should not depend on Graphics-Display 
Objects

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 18:46, David T. Lewis  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Esteban Lorenzano 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2015, at 14:21, David T. Lewis  wrote:
 
 
 No, OSProcess should not be included in the image. It is intended to be
 an external package.
>>> 
>>> mmm… we want to include it as more and more people requires it and we
>>> can profit from having it in the image (same as FFI).
>>> why do you think it should be external?
>> 
>> We should distinguish between having it traditionally-in-Image where
>> that is the only place it exists and fixes are integrated, and the
>> current trend (e.g. in-Image Glamorous Tools) where fixes are
>> integrated "upstream" into an external package
>> 
> 
> Yes, that is what I meant.
> 
> Dave

Several packages are in that situation: Zinc, STON, FUEL, ... it works quite 
well.

Re: [Pharo-dev] TextAttributes in source code or class comment?

[Martin Dias]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Henrik Johansen
 wrote:
>
>> On 08 Sep 2015, at 11:03 , Martin Dias  wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Nicolai Hess  wrote:
>>> The same for the  ]lang[ tag (see issue 15750)
>>
>> Ok. But I still don't know how to add a url to a method's source code
>> or comment from the UI.
>>
>> I mean, people with a non-English keyboard can produce source code
>> with ]lang[, but how can I produce a ]style[ ?
>>
>> Martín
>
> The whole mechanism is quite broken in Pharo4 upwards:

Not sure what to do in Pharo: parse the Text or just ignore the
]style[, but at least file-in should not raise an error. I reported
it:

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16575/CodeImporter-doesn-t-parse-style-chunks

Martín

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

[David T. Lewis]

> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Esteban Lorenzano 
> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 14:21, David T. Lewis  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> No, OSProcess should not be included in the image. It is intended to be
>>> an external package.
>>
>> mmm… we want to include it as more and more people requires it and we
>> can profit from having it in the image (same as FFI).
>> why do you think it should be external?
>
> We should distinguish between having it traditionally-in-Image where
> that is the only place it exists and fixes are integrated, and the
> current trend (e.g. in-Image Glamorous Tools) where fixes are
> integrated "upstream" into an external package
>

Yes, that is what I meant.

Dave

Re: [Pharo-dev] Metacello load script won't update the configuration

[Dale Henrichs]

Uko,

The `get` command is used to load a fresh copy of the ConfigurationOf or 
BaselineOf so the following should do the trick:


Metacello  new
  smalltalkhubUser:  'Pharo'
  project:  'MetaRepoForPharo40';
  configuration:  'QualityAssistant';
  get;
  load



I make the loading of the BaselineOf and ConfigurationOf explicit so 
that the developer can control when and if they want a new copy of the 
BaselineOf or ConfigurationOf.


For github urls like github://project/user/project, the `get` command 
causes the system to invalidate the cache directory so that on the next 
load, the github cache for the project is freshly downloaded so that you 
get the latest version of the BaselineOf ...


Dale

On 09/14/2015 01:49 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote:

Hi,

when you use a script like

Metacello  new
   smalltalkhubUser:  'Pharo'
   project:  'MetaRepoForPharo40';
   configuration:  'QualityAssistant';
   load

and you already have the configuration package loaded, the script is 
not updating the configuration itself. As the result you cannot update 
to a newer version. Is there a special expression that has to be used 
to update the configuration package? If not, maybe it does make sense 
to update the configuration before loading it?


Cheers!
Uko

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Vm-dev] Re: issue with large file path on windows

[Eliot Miranda]

Thanks Nicolai, that's great!  I'll merge in your changes.  Which files do
I need to look at?

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Nicolai Hess  wrote:

>
>
>
> 2015-09-10 21:31 GMT+02:00 Eliot Miranda :
>
>>
>> Hi Nicolai,
>>
>> I'm a bit concerned that this is creating drift with the "official"
>> Cog source base at http://www.squeakvm.org/svn/squeak/branches/Cog.
>> Long filename support for win32 was recently added by Marcel Taumel in May
>> of this year.  Are you tracking that?  How can we keep the sources
>> harmonized?
>>
>
> Ok, I removed all of my code again and merged with sqWin32Directory.c and
> sqWin32FilePrims.c from the official cog source.
> I left only pharos additions for the fileattributes (posixpermissions)
> this should make it easier to merge which the
> squeak vm main branch (wrapped with pharo vm ifdefs).
>
> github branch:
> https://github.com/nicolaihess/pharo-vm/tree/harmonize_win_file_plugin
> I'll create a push request.
>
>
> nicolai
>
>
>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 4:44 AM, Nicolai Hess  wrote:
>>
>>> For those who had problems with pharo on windows and github based
>>> repositories,
>>> I built a windows vm with support for long paths:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8yEahnuIem2bmxwdzJuUXFxVGM/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>> For browsing directories with large paths (FileList or Inspect),
>>> you may need one additional change in the image (But I am not really
>>> sure about that) :
>>>
>>> DiskStore>>initialize
>>> super initialize.
>>> maxFileNameLength := Smalltalk vm maxFilenameLength ifNil: [ 32767 ].
>>>
>>>
>>> please test and give feedback.
>>>
>>> This wasn't as easy as I thought, and I had to make some more changes
>>> for the file permissions (the stat-functions don't work for files with
>>> long paths).
>>> Please test other file/folder operations.
>>>
>>>
>>> nicolai
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> _,,,^..^,,,_
>> best, Eliot
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
_,,,^..^,,,_
best, Eliot

[Pharo-dev] Array literal changes of a compiled method

[Juraj Kubelka]

Hi,

I have a test case like that: 
-=-=-
testIncrementBy
prefix := MyObject new numbers: #(1 10); yourself.
prefix incrementBy: 10.
self assert: prefix numbers equals: #(1 20).
-=-=-

and the byte code starts like that:
-=-=-
57 <40> pushLit: MyObject
58  send: new
59 <88> dup
60 <21> pushConstant: #(1 10)
-=-=-

If I run the test case, it is green, but the byte code changes into:
-=-=-
57 <40> pushLit: MyObject
58  send: new
59 <88> dup
60 <21> pushConstant: #(1 20)
-=-=-

The #incrementBy: method looks like:
-=-=-
incrementBy: aNumber
numbers at: 2 put: (numbers at: 2) + aNumber
-=-=-

Is it correct that it also changes the method byte code? 
I can put "#(1 10) copy” into the test case. 
I am just curious if it is a feature or bug. 

Tested in Pharo4.0, Latest update: #40613.

Cheers,
Juraj

[Pharo-dev] Metacello load script won't update the configuration

[Yuriy Tymchuk]

Hi,

when you use a script like 

Metacello new
  smalltalkhubUser: 'Pharo'
  project: 'MetaRepoForPharo40';
  configuration: 'QualityAssistant';
  load

and you already have the configuration package loaded, the script is not 
updating the configuration itself. As the result you cannot update to a newer 
version. Is there a special expression that has to be used to update the 
configuration package? If not, maybe it does make sense to update the 
configuration before loading it?

Cheers!
Uko

Re: [Pharo-dev] Metacello load script won't update the configuration

[Yuriy Tymchuk]

Yes, that is exactly what I need!

Thank you!


> On 14 Sep 2015, at 23:10, Dale Henrichs  
> wrote:
> 
> Uko,
> 
> The `get` command is used to load a fresh copy of the ConfigurationOf or 
> BaselineOf so the following should do the trick:
> 
> Metacello new
>   smalltalkhubUser: 'Pharo'
>   project: 'MetaRepoForPharo40';
>   configuration: 'QualityAssistant';
>   get;
>   load
> 
> 
> I make the loading of the BaselineOf and ConfigurationOf explicit so that the 
> developer can control when and if they want a new copy of the BaselineOf or 
> ConfigurationOf. 
> 
> For github urls like github://project/user/project, the `get` command causes 
> the system to invalidate the cache directory so that on the next load, the 
> github cache for the project is freshly downloaded so that you get the latest 
> version of the BaselineOf ...
> 
> Dale
> 
> On 09/14/2015 01:49 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> when you use a script like 
>> 
>> Metacello new
>>   smalltalkhubUser: 'Pharo'
>>   project: 'MetaRepoForPharo40';
>>   configuration: 'QualityAssistant';
>>   load
>> 
>> and you already have the configuration package loaded, the script is not 
>> updating the configuration itself. As the result you cannot update to a 
>> newer version. Is there a special expression that has to be used to update 
>> the configuration package? If not, maybe it does make sense to update the 
>> configuration before loading it?
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> Uko
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pillar 1.1.0 released

[Johan Brichau]

Hi Cyril,

You are right. It’s better to just fix the version of Pillar for Pier and that 
works just fine for me now.
We will see what happens later if someone has the time to look at Pier.

cheers
Johan

> On 13 Sep 2015, at 12:22, Ferlicot Delbecque Cyril 
>  wrote:
> 
> Le 13/09/2015 10:28, Johan Brichau a écrit :
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I just noticed that in the most recent version of Pillar, the instvar 
>> #embedded was removed from PRReference
>> This breaks Pier… though right before this change I could make Pier3 work 
>> with Pillar just fine.
>> 
>> The embedded var is used to specify that component references are to be 
>> embedded in the page. There are more components than Figures in Pier.
>> 
> 
> Hi Johan,
> 
> We removed that because since Figures are not link anymore we do not
> need it. If the reference is a link, it is not embedded, else it is. We
> plan latter to have more embedded item than Figures, maybe we can just
> and a class between Reference and Figure (PREmbeddedReferences).
> With that we do not need the ivar.
> 
> But since Pier3 doesn't evolve anymore I proposed to someone to freeze
> the version of Pillar needed for the stable version of Pier3. But I
> didn't get an answer.
> 
> --
> Cyril
> 
>> I am just trying to use and work with Pier3 for Seaside book and website, so 
>> it would be great if you can consider adding the embedded variable again.
>> 
>> thanks guys!
>> Johan
>> 
>> ps: email me directly, since I might miss replies via the mailinglist.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 9ea7a8: 50321

[GitHub]

  Branch: refs/heads/5.0
  Home:   https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
  Commit: 9ea7a8e991e81e8a4e60d5b9ac0c7a96dba730b6
  
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/9ea7a8e991e81e8a4e60d5b9ac0c7a96dba730b6
  Author: Jenkins Build Server 
  Date:   2015-09-14 (Mon, 14 Sep 2015)

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  50321
16559 fix for #instead links
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16559

http://files.pharo.org/image/50/50321.zip

[Pharo-dev] [Survey] QualityAssistant experience mini-survey

[Yuriy Tymchuk]

Dear Pharoers,

I kindly ask you to participate in the QualityAssistant mini-survey: 
http://rio.inf.usi.ch/survey/index.php/818331 
.
It will take only a few minutes of your time (or less), and will give us a 
better understanding of how QualityAssistant is currently used and how to 
improve it.

Cheers!
Yuriy

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

[GitHub]

  Branch: refs/tags/50321
  Home:   https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

[Torsten Bergmann]

Did anyone ever look at my OS projects at http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~OS
where I try to unify the native platforms (to keep platform independence) 
while on the other side allow to use native functionality as much as possible:


Gofer it
smalltalkhubUser: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo40';
configurationOf: 'OSUnix';
loadVersion: #stable.

=>  UnixProcess currentProcessId



Gofer it
smalltalkhubUser: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo40';
configurationOf: 'OSWindows';
loadVersion: #stable.

=>  WinProcess currentProcessId

Have fun
T.

> Gesendet: Montag, 14. September 2015 um 11:04 Uhr
> Von: "Sven Van Caekenberghe" 
> An: "Pharo Development List" 
> Betreff: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?
>
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo VM from 
> inside the image ?
> 
> If not, I think that would be a nice addition.
> 
> Sven
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] http://forum.world.st down?

[Geert Claes]

Hi Dale, It's up again.  There were some DNS issues.



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[Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

Hi,

Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo VM from 
inside the image ?

If not, I think that would be a nice addition.

Sven

Re: [Pharo-dev] Catalog does not update to include MessageFlowBrowser

[Esteban Lorenzano]

ok, *now* it works :P

Esteban

> On 11 Sep 2015, at 21:04, Torsten Bergmann  wrote:
> 
> Hi Esteban,
> 
> Unfortunately it is now completely broken, the JSON is not returned anymore:
> 
> http://catalog.pharo.org/catalog/json
> 
> gives 
> 
>   MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "repositoryUrl" is nil
> 
> Can you have a look again? Thanks!
> 
> Regards
> Torsten
> 
> 
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. September 2015 um 19:03 Uhr
>> Von: "Esteban Lorenzano" 
>> An: "Torsten Bergmann" 
>> Cc: "Pharo Development List" 
>> Betreff: Re: Catalog does not update to include MessageFlowBrowser
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11 Sep 2015, at 16:38, Esteban Lorenzano  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11 Sep 2015, at 16:29, Torsten Bergmann  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 ConfigurationOfMessageFlowBrowser is in 
 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo50 
 for a week now but still not included in http://catalog.pharo.org
 
 According to the description there is a daily catalog job - but so far no 
 results. It is not
 included although the config includes the necessary catalog methods.
 
 - Is MetaRepoForPharo50 already recognized? 
 - Is it possible to "manually" trigger the catalog generation in case a 
 new project is done?
 
 Anyone able to look into this?
>>> 
>>> I’ll check the logs. 
>> 
>> fixed. 
>> something went wrong when updating FFI (my fault :P) and then everything 
>> stop working. Of course there is a log who tells me that something went 
>> wrong, but I forget to check them :D
>> 
>> cheers,
>> 
>>> 
>>> Esteban
>>> 
 
 Thx
 T.
>>> 
>> 
>>