Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-20 Thread Jimmie Houchin
On 05/19/2014 05:01 PM, Eliot Miranda wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Damien Cassou damien.cas...@gmail.com mailto:damien.cassou-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-19 Thread Damien Cassou
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: I know for years[1], only solve partially, on some Linux distribution, not really user friendly, support of this solution may change over making installation of 32bits libs even more complicated for average

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-19 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Definitely helpful for developer but not for user of an application developed with Pharo. I know I am probably the only one facing this situation, developing desktop applications with Pharo but VM packages does not solve my problem. Indeed, when releasing DrGeo (and iStoa) to the public I have to

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-19 Thread Damien Cassou
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, when releasing DrGeo (and iStoa) to the public I have to provide a VM: I don't know the target linux system nor its version. on Ubuntu, I can only recommend to use the PPA system. I do that for

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-19 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
For me shipping the VM with the application eases the installation by the user and the production of release. The alternative will be to build a .debian package of Drgeo with only the image, then do the same for each ubuntu version (the two last ubuntu LTS have different approach for 32 bits

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-19 Thread Sergi Reyner
2014-05-19 17:00 GMT+01:00 Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com: For me shipping the VM with the application eases the installation by the user and the production of release. Of course, work need to be duplicated for the different Linux systems, probably the most popular only, but

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-19 Thread Eliot Miranda
Hi Damien, On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Damien Cassou damien.cas...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: I know for years[1], only solve partially, on some Linux distribution, not really user friendly, support of this

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-19 Thread Damien Cassou
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com wrote: Can you point me to this? I'd like to see if I can use it with my linux installs. it works in most of the supported Ubuntu releases: http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/ubuntu -- Damien Cassou

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-19 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 19.05.2014 um 22:01 schrieb Damien Cassou damien.cas...@gmail.com: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com wrote: Can you point me to this? I'd like to see if I can use it with my linux installs. it works in most of the supported Ubuntu releases:

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-19 Thread Eliot Miranda
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Damien Cassou damien.cas...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com wrote: Can you point me to this? I'd like to see if I can use it with my linux installs. it works in most of the supported Ubuntu releases:

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-19 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 20.05.2014 um 00:01 schrieb Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Damien Cassou damien.cas...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com wrote: Can you point me to this? I'd like to see if I can use

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-16 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 15 May 2014, at 18:46, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Great. As we are discussing about build, is it possible to compile CogVM on 64 bits architecture as it is already the case for the interpreted SqueakVM (https://packages.debian.org/sid/squeak-vm)? I do not

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-16 Thread Andres Valloud
* 64-bit aware hashing functions as the current ones are 32-bit centric. This issue might not be the most urgent because the 32 bit hash functions should be sufficient to deal with at least moderately sized 64 bit images. But how much stuff would you have to allocate before seeing a

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-16 Thread p...@highoctane.be
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Andres Valloud avall...@smalltalk.comcastbiz.net wrote: * 64-bit aware hashing functions as the current ones are 32-bit centric. This issue might not be the most urgent because the 32 bit hash functions should be sufficient to deal with at least moderately

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-16 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
the SqueakVM https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/squeak-vm/download is linked against 64bits libraries, at least as far as I am correct this is what say: ldd squeakvm Next I tested I can run DrGeo (1.4 pharo based, 32 bits image) with this VM on a 64 bits host (uname -a). Pharo 2 does not

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-16 Thread Chris Cunningham
Right. Running an image natively in 64 bits doesn't mean you have to have a 64 bit image as well. http://timmydosmalltalk.wordpress.com/2014/03/13/howto-build-a-64-native-standardvm-running-32-bit-image-on-slackware-linux-14-1-with-32-bit-compat-libs/ (not my work at all - just sharing). -cbc

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-16 Thread Damien Cassou
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday my boss asked me to see DrGeo on his Ununtu 14.04LTS 64 bits machine. I could not get it working Following these simple instructions would have fixed the problem in 2 minutes:

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-16 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
I know for years[1], only solve partially, on some Linux distribution, not really user friendly, support of this solution may change over making installation of 32bits libs even more complicated for average user. Now my question was related to 64bits, and I am really curious about this 64bits

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-16 Thread David T. Lewis
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:20:47AM +0200, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: On 15 May 2014, at 18:46, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Great. As we are discussing about build, is it possible to compile CogVM on 64 bits architecture as it is already the case for the

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
May be I was not clear. I just mean VM compiled on a 64 bits architecture, not porting to 64bits architecture. I remember years ago, a friend, without knowledge on Squeakvm, told me he compiled it on its 64bits host. Was he wrong somewhere? Hilaire Le 14/05/2014 21:43, Clément Bera a écrit :

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Are you sure? Because VM fetched with curl get.pharo.org/vmLatest | bash has no working keypad. Hilaire Le 15/05/2014 00:46, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : and is integrated but still not promoted to stable (I think it will be next week). In the mean time, vmLatest will work. -- Dr. Geo

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread p...@highoctane.be
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Is your build done against not too recent libc et al. ? If so I will be interested to have an archive of it. I've sent you a dropbox link. The thing is uploading now. Tell me how it works. Phil Thanks

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
damn… I was sure. I need to check now :) Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 09:21, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure? Because VM fetched with curl get.pharo.org/vmLatest | bash has no working keypad. Hilaire Le 15/05/2014 00:46, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : and

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
so yes… I integrated the fix, created a pull request, waited until validation… and then I forget to merge :S it should be in process to build now. Esteban On 15 May 2014, at 10:44, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: damn… I was sure. I need to check now :) Esteban On 15 May

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 15 May 2014, at 10:52, p...@highoctane.be wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: damn… I was sure. I need to check now :) Hey, when will we get a CentOS 6.x slave running? ;-) [sorry, couldn't resist. But, truth be told, having a CentOS

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-15 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Great. As we are discussing about build, is it possible to compile CogVM on 64 bits architecture as it is already the case for the interpreted SqueakVM (https://packages.debian.org/sid/squeak-vm)? Hilaire Le 15/05/2014 18:24, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : so yes… I integrated the fix, created a

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-14 Thread Clément Bera
Hello, The work to port Pharo to 64 bits has started. The new memory manager Spur will be ported to Pharo 4 alpha next week and it supports 64 bits (this is fresh news, it has been decided 3 hours ago). This was one of the main issue for the 64 bits port. Now the status is to finish to port the

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-14 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
For me this are good news. Thank you for your work. Cheers. Uko On 14 May 2014, at 21:43, Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, The work to port Pharo to 64 bits has started. The new memory manager Spur will be ported to Pharo 4 alpha next week and it supports 64 bits

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-14 Thread p...@highoctane.be
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, The work to port Pharo to 64 bits has started. The new memory manager Spur will be ported to Pharo 4 alpha next week and it supports 64 bits (this is fresh news, it has been decided 3 hours ago). This was one

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

2014-05-14 Thread Norbert Hartl
Hilaire, Am 14.05.2014 um 21:08 schrieb Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com: Yesterday my boss asked me to see DrGeo on his Ununtu 14.04LTS 64 bits machine. I could not get it working, 32 bits compatibility package to run 32bits application on 64bits system is gone, you have to find