On 20 September 2014 11:04, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote:
Le 20 sept. 2014 10:57, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com a écrit :
On 20 September 2014 08:45, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote:
A
Le 20 sept. 2014 03:27, Alain Rastoul alf.mmm@gmail.com a écrit
I may have more interesting fish to fry on the horizon...
Let's keep in touch :-)
Phil
Le 21 sept. 2014 17:08, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com a écrit :
On 20 September 2014 11:04, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote:
Le 20 sept. 2014 10:57, Frank Shearar
A
Le 20 sept. 2014 03:27, Alain Rastoul alf.mmm@gmail.com a écrit :
Le 20/09/2014 02:33, p...@highoctane.be a écrit :
We'll prevail!
What we also need to do is to showcase the Smalltalk workflow and how
nice it is.
We cannot gain mindshare by technical prowess only.
Phil
I
On 20 September 2014 08:45, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote:
A
Le 20 sept. 2014 03:27, Alain Rastoul alf.mmm@gmail.com a écrit :
Le 20/09/2014 02:33, p...@highoctane.be a écrit :
We'll prevail!
What we also need to do is to showcase the Smalltalk workflow and how
nice
Le 20 sept. 2014 10:57, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com a écrit :
On 20 September 2014 08:45, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote:
A
Le 20 sept. 2014 03:27, Alain Rastoul alf.mmm@gmail.com a écrit
:
Le 20/09/2014 02:33, p...@highoctane.be a écrit :
We'll
Le 20/09/2014 10:56, Frank Shearar a écrit :
I am facing quite some people who are in the FP bandwagon and wonder how to
bridge with their views. Like classes are just functions etc.
The article that convinced me that objects are higher order functions
(that close over a set of variables) is
Le 15/09/2014 14:21, kilon alios a écrit :
thanks I am looking at it
is this relevant to pharo ? -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visitor_pattern
Hi,
Of course, the only difference between what you will find in
java,dotNet,c++ examples and Smalltalk is that the latter does not
support method
Le 15/09/2014 18:23, Eliot Miranda a écrit :
I find this whole discussion depressing. It seems people would rather
put their energy in chasing quick fixes or other technologies instead of
contributing to the work that is being done in the existing VM. People
discuss using LLVM as if the code
Le 20 sept. 2014 02:11, Alain Rastoul alf.mmm@gmail.com a écrit :
Le 15/09/2014 18:23, Eliot Miranda a écrit :
I find this whole discussion depressing. It seems people would rather
put their energy in chasing quick fixes or other technologies instead of
contributing to the work that is
Le 20/09/2014 02:33, p...@highoctane.be a écrit :
We'll prevail!
What we also need to do is to showcase the Smalltalk workflow and how
nice it is.
We cannot gain mindshare by technical prowess only.
Phil
I totally agree with you,
but I think that those technical advances are vital in
Side comments...
Some code just has to be written in C, otherwise you cannot rely on the
behavior being correct and ultimately that's a major show stopper for
anything you might want to call production code. Anything having to
do with calling operating system libraries is a typical example
Dne pondělí 15. září 2014 p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be napsal(a):
Slang has been externalized by Pavel. So, Smalltalk to C works.
Works nicely, even if there were a few glitches (like code generated twice
at one point).
Nothing unfixable, I got the beast working.
Allows for things
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com
wrote:
Dne pondělí 15. září 2014 p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be
napsal(a):
Slang has been externalized by Pavel. So, Smalltalk to C works.
Works nicely, even if there were a few glitches (like code generated
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:28:24AM +0200, Santiago Bragagnolo wrote:
I may be wrong, but I think the closest thing out there is Slang. Is the
pseudo smalltalk used to develop the VM.
A bit off topic, but just for clarification: Slang is not a language. It
is just a casual name to refer to
Is there a way to convert code from pharo to c or c++ ? Does pettit parser
or other parsers offer such support ?
I may be wrong, but I think the closest thing out there is Slang. Is the
pseudo smalltalk used to develop the VM.
Also there is a project for generating C for arduino, (a project related
with EToys), but i am not sure about how complete is.
2014-09-15 11:04 GMT+02:00 kilon alios
Hi Kilon,
you don't need any parser to do that, you need something to generate C /
C++ code :)
There are Smalltalk to C translators floating around, and I believe one of
them is in the Squeak / Pharo code base to generate the VM (or part of it).
If you want to do it yourself, you probably
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Santiago Bragagnolo
santiagobragagn...@gmail.com wrote:
I may be wrong, but I think the closest thing out there is Slang. Is the
pseudo smalltalk used to develop the VM.
Also there is a project for generating C for arduino, (a project related
with EToys),
Slang has been externalized by Pavel. So, Smalltalk to C works.
Works nicely, even if there were a few glitches (like code generated twice
at one point).
Nothing unfixable, I got the beast working.
Allows for things like: write Slang, generate C, compile into DLL, load
DLL, run C code. All in a
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Serge Stinckwich
serge.stinckw...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Santiago Bragagnolo
santiagobragagn...@gmail.com wrote:
I may be wrong, but I think the closest thing out there is Slang. Is the
pseudo smalltalk used to develop the VM.
On 15 Sep 2014, at 11:33, Serge Stinckwich serge.stinckw...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi pharoers,
so I’ve installed Yosemite beta and:
1) there were no problems with Pharo by now
2) sometimes Yosemite lags in general (on rich 3D graphics for e.g.) and
battery life is worse.
3) the most
Hi Phil,
thanks for the update on Slang to C. Allways significant to have that.
Two open questions:
- would a slang to x86 asm via NativeBoost be doable / a nice target?
- would targetting LLVM-IR be of interest?
Thierry
2014-09-15 12:29 GMT+02:00 p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:31 PM, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Serge Stinckwich
serge.stinckw...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Santiago Bragagnolo
santiagobragagn...@gmail.com wrote:
I may be wrong, but I think the
WOW this CCodeGenerator is great , I have downloaded it and tried the
example and it generated the 'generated.c file . Awesome thank you
all
Ok how about this visitor thing ? any links to it , no idea what that is
and how to use it in pharo. Is it a way to code like continuations ?
About
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 1:39 PM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote:
WOW this CCodeGenerator is great , I have downloaded it and tried the
example and it generated the 'generated.c file . Awesome thank you
all
Ah ah, happy to have made you day. Yes, Slang is the awesome thing for
Please pay careful attention: this is one of those Pharo libraries that
might not meet industry standard. But, it is so small and elegant that even
an amateur can have a say with it :).
The interesting thing about the red pill is that the reality that comes
after taking the pill is less clean
thanks I am looking at it
is this relevant to pharo ? -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visitor_pattern
Sure if I can stay in pharo while coding in C/C++ then why not ? Even if I
still have to do work outside pharo. The problem is beginners like me do
not realize the potential of their tools
2014-09-15 13:39 GMT+02:00 kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com:
About LLVM sound very cool and I was googling about that few hours ago but
from what I have read is a very undocumented part of LLVM so that maybe
easier said than done. Looks like Pharo is not the only project having
issues with
Hola Santiago
Como se llama tal proyecto, me podria ser util podria colaborar
saludos
Juan Marcelo
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Santiago Bragagnolo
santiagobragagn...@gmail.com wrote:
I may be wrong, but I think the closest thing out there is Slang. Is the
pseudo smalltalk used to
Que proyecto?? ?_?
el que pasa smalltalk a c? estan hablando de slang
2014-09-15 14:29 GMT+02:00 Juan smalltalker.marc...@gmail.com:
Hola Santiago
Como se llama tal proyecto, me podria ser util podria colaborar
saludos
Juan Marcelo
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Santiago
2014-09-15 13:56 GMT+02:00 p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Thierry Goubier
thierry.goub...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Phil,
thanks for the update on Slang to C. Allways significant to have that.
Two open questions:
- would a slang to x86 asm via
Hello,
Note that slang is a subset of smalltalk. The Slang compiler does not allow
to compile smalltalk to C. It allows to compile a smalltalk with restricted
message sends and classes to C.
2014-09-15 13:28 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com:
Hi Phil,
thanks for the update
Yeah I think I mixed it up with something else, anyway I found a very nice
tutorial how to make a working compiler with LLVM
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-createcompilerllvm1/index.html
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-createcompilerllvm2/
looks like nativeboost on
Arduino to c++ /c
Best
Jmdc
El 15/09/2014 09:33, Santiago Bragagnolo santiagobragagn...@gmail.com
escribió:
Que proyecto?? ?_?
el que pasa smalltalk a c? estan hablando de slang
2014-09-15 14:29 GMT+02:00 Juan smalltalker.marc...@gmail.com:
Hola Santiago
Como se llama tal proyecto,
2014-09-15 14:39 GMT+02:00 Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com:
Hello,
Note that slang is a subset of smalltalk. The Slang compiler does not
allow to compile smalltalk to C. It allows to compile a smalltalk with
restricted message sends and classes to C.
Yes, I am aware of that. I remember
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
wrote:
2014-09-15 13:56 GMT+02:00 p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Thierry Goubier
thierry.goub...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Phil,
thanks for the update on Slang to C. Allways
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Please pay careful attention: this is one of those Pharo libraries that
might not meet industry standard. But, it is so small and elegant that even
an amateur can have a say with it :).
The interesting thing about the
Wasn't Smalltalk/X the one which had a more complete version of
that C translation?
Yes. Smalltalk/X **still** compiles Smalltalk to C (bytecode
interpreting and JITing modes are also supported, of course).
Best, Jan
Sure, but enough of Smalltalk flavor to not want to go into C.
For specific plugins, this is really cool to have.
Phil
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
Note that slang is a subset of smalltalk. The Slang compiler does not
allow to compile
2014-09-15 15:13 GMT+02:00 p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Thierry Goubier
thierry.goub...@gmail.com wrote:
Hum, I would more like SSE and AVX code done this way: matrix
multiplications, bitmap processing, heavily used code, SciSmalltalk stuff
on
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:21 PM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote:
is this relevant to pharo ? -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visitor_pattern
yes, this is what they are talking about!
--
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
Success is the ability to go from one
Thanks Damien :)
so I want to further explore Slang , that means downloading the VMMaker , I
am following the post of Mariano here
https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/tag/vmmaker/
and install VMMaker like this
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Deprecation raiseWarning: false.
Gofer new
kilon alios wrote:
WOW this CCodeGenerator is great , I have downloaded
it and tried the example and it generated the 'generated.c" file .
Awesome thank you all
Ok how about this visitor thing ? any links to it , no idea what
that is and how to use it in pharo. Is it a way to
Hi All,
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
wrote:
2014-09-15 14:39 GMT+02:00 Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com:
Hello,
Note that slang is a subset of smalltalk. The Slang compiler does not
allow to compile smalltalk to C. It allows to compile a
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi All,
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Thierry Goubier
thierry.goub...@gmail.com wrote:
2014-09-15 14:39 GMT+02:00 Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com:
Hello,
Note that slang is a subset of smalltalk. The
Hi Eliot,
Le 15/09/2014 18:23, Eliot Miranda a écrit :
Hi All,
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Thierry Goubier
thierry.goub...@gmail.com mailto:thierry.goub...@gmail.com wrote:
I would not suggest replacing C by LLVM-IR for VM work, in part
because LLVM-IR is not what I would call
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