Re: [Pharo-project] marketing or not?

2010-12-23 Thread Chip Nowacek
If it's not just marketing, what, in your view, might be the ramifications? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/marketing-or-not-tp3161726p3161755.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Pharo-project] Tests for XMLWriter?

2010-12-23 Thread jaayer
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:17:25 -0800 jaayer wrote On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 05:33:44 -0800 Alexandre Bergel wrote Hi! Ivan and I tried to use XMLWriter yesterday, but without tests it is a bit cryptic. Are the tests of XMLWriter available somewhere? Cheers,

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2611 in pharo: DNU when clicking on active text in class comment

2010-12-23 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #9 on issue 2611 by marcus.denker: DNU when clicking on active text in class comment http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2611 (No comment was entered for this change.)

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3447 in pharo: Do we need to menu entry Shout Workspace?

2010-12-23 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #7 on issue 3447 by marcus.denker: Do we need to menu entry Shout Workspace? http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3447 in build starting 23.12.2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3455 in pharo: Some SystemNavigationTests failed in 1.2-Dev

2010-12-23 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #4 on issue 3455 by marcus.denker: Some SystemNavigationTests failed in 1.2-Dev http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3455 in build starting 23.12.2010

Re: [Pharo-project] marketing or not?

2010-12-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
what I want to say is that we could play the same game surfing in the hype of javascript. People like jump into javascript like they did in Java and it would be good to take benefit of that. Stef On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: Looks cool, except that they have to restart

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3271 in pharo: r isLiteralSymbol: #= is broken

2010-12-23 Thread pharo
Comment #3 on issue 3271 by stephane.ducasse: r isLiteralSymbol: #= is broken http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3271 Tx guillermo. Did you run all the tests?

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-23 Thread Germán Arduino
2010/12/23 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:14 AM, Germán Arduino wrote: Ey, I want join also to the feelings of Sven and Laurent. I'm in Smalltalk from year 2000 aproximately but only in the last years I'm achieving one of my goals that is work 100% in

Re: [Pharo-project] marketing or not?

2010-12-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Dec 23, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Chip Nowacek wrote: If it's not just marketing, what, in your view, might be the ramifications? Could we (people in this community) make business around that. I mean lot of communitees are good at creating buzz and smalltalkers in general not that much. Stef

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-23 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 22 Dec 2010, at 20:37, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Thanks a ***lot***. You're welcome. You and everybody else have every reason to be proud of all the good work done. We have to do a party close to the border (well we are on the border already) and meet This should be a resolution for

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Modestly I try to help in the areas I can and in the time I have and want to say here a big big thanks to a lot of people working hard and (as Stef said) not only in the cool part of development but also on more boring (but needed stuff) as admin, doc, etc. Thank you all dear fellow of

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Re: Why Smalltalk ? Which Smalltalk ?

2010-12-23 Thread Alexander Lazarević
Stéphane, I don't perceived Leventes email to be aggressive at all (in contrast to yours), but only to correct some false assumptions providing hard facts. If the Pharo community honestly believes that it is an open and friendly community, then there should be no problem with posts to the this

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3271 in pharo: r isLiteralSymbol: #= is broken

2010-12-23 Thread Guillermo Polito
I just ran Compiler tests. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:20 AM, ph...@googlecode.com wrote: Comment #3 on issue 3271 by stephane.ducasse: r isLiteralSymbol: #= is broken http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3271 Tx guillermo. Did you run all the tests?

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Re: Why Smalltalk ? Which Smalltalk ?

2010-12-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Alexander Lazarević wrote: Stéphane, I don't perceived Leventes email to be aggressive at all (in contrast to yours), but only to correct some false assumptions providing hard facts. If the Pharo community honestly believes that it is an open and friendly

Re: [Pharo-project] big ui decisions

2010-12-23 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Chip Nowacek wrote: did you see nextPlan? Because they generate svg too? I haven't seen it yet. I will search it/them out. It was very impressive. The video of the ESUG presentation is at http://esug2010.objectfusion.fr/ Sean -- View this message in context:

Re: [Pharo-project] big ui decisions

2010-12-23 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Chip Nowacek wrote: A sexy, Smalltalk Lively-Kernel. I'm still trying to get Clamato to work. I was just wishing for this yesterday! Awesome to know there's interest and work being done here. Sean -- View this message in context:

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Re: Why Smalltalk ? Which Smalltalk ?

2010-12-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi levente What I wanted to show is that the release of Pharo 1.0 was not urgent at all (DW and RW are both _more than a year_) until Squeak 4.1 came out. After the release of Squeak 4.1, Pharo 1.0 and 1.1 was released ASAP. since you want real facts, I can tell you that being the

Re: [Pharo-project] Tests for XMLWriter?

2010-12-23 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Unfortunately, the tests that exist for it are in XML-Tests-Parser-Nodes, which still needs to be rewritten, back from when it was still part of the XMLParser package. Are you having trouble figuring out how to use it? Other than the class comment, try looking at

[Pharo-project] Issue 3479 in pharo: fix an Undeclared ref

2010-12-23 Thread pharo
Status: Fixed Owner: marcus.denker Labels: Milestone-1.2 New issue 3479 by marcus.denker: fix an Undeclared ref http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3479 fix an Undeclared ref in ScriptLoader Attachments: UndeclaredFix.1.cs 387 bytes

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3271 in pharo: r isLiteralSymbol: #= is broken

2010-12-23 Thread pharo
Comment #4 on issue 3271 by marcus.denker: r isLiteralSymbol: #= is broken http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3271 I recompiled the image and ran all tests. looks good.

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3271 in pharo: r isLiteralSymbol: #= is broken

2010-12-23 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #5 on issue 3271 by marcus.denker: r isLiteralSymbol: #= is broken http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3271 12287

[Pharo-project] [update 1.2] #12287

2010-12-23 Thread Marcus Denker
12287 - Issue 3271: r isLiteralSymbol: #= is broken Issue 3479: fix an Undeclared ref -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3479 in pharo: fix an Undeclared ref

2010-12-23 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #1 on issue 3479 by marcus.denker: fix an Undeclared ref http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3479 12287

[Pharo-project] Merry christmas everyone!

2010-12-23 Thread Max Leske
Hey! Just wanted to say thank you for your work and the support you guys give to newbies. I've had a great year with Pharo! Merry Christmas everyone! Max

[Pharo-project] FYI: CMakeVMMaker (Was Re: Automated VM build server)

2010-12-23 Thread Igor Stasenko
I just uploaded the VMMaker/CMakeVMMaker package, and since couple of people noticed it, and started asking (privately) what is it, i decided to do little premature explanation. In short: - it is a part of future automated build system. Its only in prototype phase, and some protocol and even

Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfCitezen

2010-12-23 Thread Damien Cassou
Dear all, 2010/6/25 Adrien BARREAU abarreau@live.fr: Since the trim** methods can not be added in core for the moment, I hade grease core as a dependency of Citezen. ConfigurationOfCitezen loadNoWeb works fine. the #trimBoth method is still a requirement of Citezen and is not present in

Re: [Pharo-project] Merry christmas everyone!

2010-12-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
thanks max We are all newbies (me in particular) and we all can learn together. Stef On Dec 23, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Max Leske wrote: Hey! Just wanted to say thank you for your work and the support you guys give to newbies. I've had a great year with Pharo! Merry Christmas everyone!

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-23 Thread Germán Arduino
2010/12/23 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: Modestly I try to help in the areas I can and in the time I have and want to say here a big big thanks to a lot of people working hard and (as Stef said) not only in the cool part of development but also on more boring (but needed stuff)

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Dec 23, 2 There is SmallErp or the project of stefan eggermont. This is just that I believe that issue bills, reports and managing stock is somehow also a large part of business. Stef Ah, yes, certainly is a possibility. But I'm thinking in a sort of application to

[Pharo-project] Mars, stuck on callbacks (again)... need opinions

2010-12-23 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi guys, I'm doing some advance callbacks for Mars, and I'm having several problems with table renderers (they are called A LOT of times and needs to be efficient). The ObjectiveCBridge is not as efficient as that calls needs to be executed, and well... I was planing to spend some time on

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] Mars, stuck on callbacks (again)... need opinions

2010-12-23 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 23 December 2010 20:35, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I'm doing some advance callbacks for Mars, and I'm having several problems with table renderers (they are called A LOT of times and needs to be efficient). The ObjectiveCBridge is not as efficient as that calls

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-23 Thread Germán Arduino
2010/12/23 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: On Dec 23, 2 There is SmallErp or the project of stefan eggermont. This is just that I believe that issue bills, reports and managing stock is somehow also a large part of business. Stef Ah, yes, certainly is a possibility.

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-23 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 23 December 2010 21:33, Germán Arduino gardu...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/23 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: On Dec 23, 2 There is SmallErp or the project of stefan eggermont. This is just that I believe that issue bills, reports and managing stock is somehow also a large

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-23 Thread Dario Trussardi
+1 Good Christmas to you and your family. About: do you think that a good open-source ERP in Smalltalk would help you? I'm interesting to ERP in Smalltalk. I think it with: - Seaside interface - Gemstone

[Pharo-project] New features ...

2010-12-23 Thread James Ladd
Hi All, From what I understand of Smalltalk new language constructs can be added as long as they fit in with the message passing scheme/principle. Since the release of Smalltalk-80 I think some new constructs have been added and I need an example for a piece I am writing. Can someone tell me

Re: [Pharo-project] Mars, stuck on callbacks (again)... need opinions

2010-12-23 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Esteban, FW(very little)IW, my first reaction as I started reading was has he thought about native boost or alien? Callbacks have been in a possible-but-not-supported state for a long time. I believe Eliot recently mentioned callbacks in FFI, so it seems to be an idea that is solidifying.

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
dario did you look at (I always forget the name) suiza? Because this is a start of that? Stef +1 Good Christmas to you and your family. About: do you think that a good open-source ERP in Smalltalk would help you? I'm interesting to ERP in

Re: [Pharo-project] Mars, stuck on callbacks (again)... need opinions

2010-12-23 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi Bill, Yes, Alien already support callbacks... maybe you can try it instead recompiling every time :) Cheers, Esteban El 23/12/2010, a las 6:22p.m., Schwab,Wilhelm K escribió: Esteban, FW(very little)IW, my first reaction as I started reading was has he thought about native boost or

Re: [Pharo-project] Mars, stuck on callbacks (again)... need opinions

2010-12-23 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
I'm still watching. Alien didn't really exist on Linux (so it was not an option) when I last looked, and native boost was starting to look pretty attractive. FFI gets some points because I know more about (at least using) it than the others. The recompiling is easy enough for now, and it

Re: [Pharo-project] New features ...

2010-12-23 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Stef, Very true, #on:do: is not syntax, BUT, it looks that way to the casual observer, which might be the point of the question. If I decide that it really should be #on:DO:, I can make that addition in seconds. {} involves changing the compiler, right? Yes, it can be done, but it requires

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3466 in pharo: Display the leading zero while printing the hexadecimal version of a Character

2010-12-23 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Fixed Labels: Milestone-1.3 Comment #2 on issue 3466 by stephane.ducasse: Display the leading zero while printing the hexadecimal version of a Character http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3466 we should check what this change may break.

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2010 - Thank you!

2010-12-23 Thread Germán Arduino
Thanks Igor!! I would ask on this list, be sure of that. 2010/12/23 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com: On 23 December 2010 21:33, Germán Arduino gardu...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/23 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: On Dec 23, 2 There is SmallErp or the project of stefan

Re: [Pharo-project] marketing or not?

2010-12-23 Thread Stephen Taylor
The question it raises for me - I've always been tantalised by the prospect of Smalltalk running on top of a popular and widespread platform - Bistro, which brought Smalltalk to the JVM was an early attempt. What I'd really like to see these days though is a Smalltalk environment running on

Re: [Pharo-project] marketing or not?

2010-12-23 Thread Lukas Renggli
What I'd really like to see these days though is a Smalltalk environment running on top of either JavaScript or Flash. It would probably be pretty slow, but given that the thing I most want to do with computer is write easily accessable casual games in a language I love, it would hit a sweet

Re: [Pharo-project] marketing or not?

2010-12-23 Thread Stephen Taylor
Lukas Renggli wrote: Is there anyone out there working on this sort of project? Flash: http://blogs.inextenso.com/seaside/blog/learning/795d945e-d6cf-11db-ace5-000d935fad1c That's right - I'd forgotten about VistaScript. It looked good for a while and then it completely disappeared off

[Pharo-project] Issue 3480 in pharo: ToDo: Mac VM cleanup

2010-12-23 Thread pharo
Status: New Owner: siguctua Labels: Type-ToDo New issue 3480 by siguctua: ToDo: Mac VM cleanup http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3480 Some comments by John (simply to not get lost in mails): Oh and btw you'll need to look into the signing logic, I'm not quite sure where that

[Pharo-project] Redline: 'Small talks' - Message in a bottle

2010-12-23 Thread James Ladd
The next in the series is out: Redline: Smalltalk in 'small talks' - Message in a bottle - Part 1 http://bit.ly/dNlK7d We are parsing Smalltalk source now. Going to be executing it in next post. Rgs, James.

Re: [Pharo-project] Z3950 on OSX: module yaz3 not found

2010-12-23 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
Laurent, not much progress here :( I just reproduced the Unix VM crash. First I've linked the library so we do not have to change every module name call u...@ubuntu:/usr/lib$ ln -T -s /usr/lib/libyaz.so.3.0.0 yaz and I've tried to execute the library tracer in the shell script ltrace -f -l

Re: [Pharo-project] FFI crashes VM on Linux (was: Z3950 on OSX: module yaz3 not found)

2010-12-23 Thread laurent laffont
Which VM have you used ? I cross post to vm-dev list. Laurent. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Hernán Morales Durand hernan.mora...@gmail.com wrote: Laurent, not much progress here :( I just reproduced the Unix VM crash. First I've linked the library so we do not have to change every