[Pharo-users] Magritte Tutorial [Draft]

2015-12-13 Thread stepharo
Hi guys Here is the ci of the magritte tutorial that I'm revising and collecting material for https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/Magritte/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/BookletMagritte.pdf If you want to add a chapter let me know. I will add the ticketCorner

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Stephan Eggermont
On 13-12-15 06:10, horrido wrote: Rather than view my posts as accusatory, you should view them as trying to steer the collective thinking of a large group toward a more promising direction...which is exactly what they are. My analysis of the situation is objective, *not defamatory*. I see

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread stepharo
why don't you spend the time to write such mails into - writing tutorial or - just improving class comments of the well-known classs (such as set, dictionary, booleans, strings), - create videos you would have already an impact. Now you are shouting in the desert and people will

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
bingo !!! +1.000.000.000 The problem is that there is so much hype about marketing thats easy to miss the enormous fact that languages like C, C++, Java and Python are not as popular as they are even with their big flaws without substance , without solving some serious problem that requires

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Hilaire
Le 12/12/2015 12:51, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit : > Pharo can already run on iOS and Raspberry PI and works well. > > On Android its still a work in progress but its improving WIP but you can already get it working Dr. Geo has been ported to Android since alsmost 5 years

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread EuanM
Todd, have you investigated using Squeak/Pharo at the back-end and Amber at the front end? That's where I'm currently targetting my development work. On 14 December 2015 at 01:59, Todd Blanchard wrote: > I've shipped several cordova/phonegap apps. > > It can work for a

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Robert Withers
In the realm of marketing, having a clear objective is key, to unlock the artifact. Being a kid about it, to dig deeper into the inspirations of otexport LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib"hers, ignites it. The kindling, however, must be a positive mental attitude (as espoused by

Re: [Pharo-users] Metacello cannot download the latest zip of a github repo if a zip already exists from a previous commit

2015-12-13 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Thanks Dale , good news it works on Pharo 5 :) Is there a way to delete the previous data = delete the previous zip file and all its decompressed folders / files ? I can do it manually but I was wondering if metacello offers anything similar. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:19 AM Dale Henrichs <

Re: [Pharo-users] NSGA II Genetic algorithm in SmallTalk/Pharo

2015-12-13 Thread Serge Stinckwich
Hi guys, can you consider joining the SciSmalltalk mailing-list for discussing such things ? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/scismalltalk Thank you. On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 1:50 AM, abdelghani ALIDRA wrote: > Hi, > > Is there an implementation in Smalltalk/Pharo of

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread horrido
Why is this "nonsense"? Are you saying it's not important to make Pharo applicable to more problem domains? Are you saying that making Pharo useful to more people in the IT community is a dumb idea? What am I missing in terms of situational awareness? Clearly, *I am clueless*, because I don't

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Yeah I am interesting to this too, I was not aware Dr. Geo was on Android thats great news. Hilaire why I cannot find Dr. Geo for my iPad mini ? Just got an iPad mini as my Christmas present to myself :) I would love to see a blog post by you how to get Pharo working on Android and iOS . Any

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Johan Fabry
Just to say that Stephan expressed very eloquently my thoughts ! > On Dec 13, 2015, at 08:41, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > > On 13-12-15 06:10, horrido wrote: >> Rather than view my posts as accusatory, you should view them as trying to >> steer the collective thinking of a

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Martin Bähr
Excerpts from Hilaire's message of 2015-12-13 09:38:33 +0100: > Dr. Geo has been ported to Android since alsmost 5 years is there any description about the process involved in porting a pharo application to android? what do i need, how do i start? i am tentatively working on a desktop

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Ben Coman
> kilon.alios wrote >> I think that is why its difficult to bring pharo to diffirent platforms, >> the mentality of pharo and mentality of smalltalk is so specific that does >> not fit easily into other platforms. On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 5:45 AM, horrido wrote: > Yes,

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Hilaire
For iPad, it is gone because I did not renew my developer license, so Apple remove it from the store. Sorry sorry :( Concerning DrGeo on Android, I mostly forgot all the details to build it as I did not update it since a couple of years (3 years). Historically Dmitri Golubuvsky helped me a lot to

[Pharo-users] Metacello cannot download the latest zip of a github repo if a zip already exists from a previous commit

2015-12-13 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
So it looks like that when I do Metacello new baseline: 'ChronosManager'; repository: 'github://kilon/ChronosManager'; load and I have ChronosManager already installed via the same command previously , if the repo has changed in the mean time , it wont get the latest zip from github and instead

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Python has some books with animals on the cover. In the good old days, this mattered :-) Phil On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > bingo !!! > +1.000.000.000 > > The problem is that there is so much hype about marketing thats easy to > miss the

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread horrido
That's an *enormous* amount of work!!! No wonder it hasn't been done yet. I did identify one thing: get high school students (i.e., young people) interested in Smalltalk. That's why I tried (and failed) to launch the Canadian Smalltalk Competition. You should understand that I put a LOT of work

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Martin Bähr
Excerpts from Dimitris Chloupis's message of 2015-12-13 19:37:30 +0100: > Thank you very much , I will study them one by one :) thank you from me too. i won't be able to work on this soon (need to get the desktop app ready first, which won't happen before the next GSoC, (but it might happen as

[Pharo-users] Machine Learning in Pharo

2015-12-13 Thread Evan Donahue
I saw a post on pharo-dev a little while ago about adding some machine learning libraries to pharo, and I was just wondering if there have been any developments on that front. I'm about to do some machine learning work myself, so it might make sense to coordinate with anyone out there already

[Pharo-users] New web tutorial

2015-12-13 Thread stepharo
Hi guys with Olivier Auverlot we did several attempts (over the year) and we are happy to release a first draft of a web tutorial around Pharo. We ask the user to build a simple blog engine. It goes over - Mongo - Seaside - Magritte

Re: [Pharo-users] Machine Learning in Pharo

2015-12-13 Thread stepharo
Check the sciSmalltalk mailing-list. and the Numerical book Stef Le 13/12/15 21:02, Evan Donahue a écrit : I saw a post on pharo-dev a little while ago about adding some machine learning libraries to pharo, and I was just wondering if there have been any developments on that front. I'm about

Re: [Pharo-users] Magritte Tutorial [Draft]

2015-12-13 Thread Julien Delplanque
Thank you, I was actually looking for tutorials about it. Julien On 13/12/15 11:18, stepharo wrote: Hi guys Here is the ci of the magritte tutorial that I'm revising and collecting material for

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread horrido
"Fast growth has its problems." I don't think we need to worry about that. Even if we're successful with a marketing campaign, it will take time to aggregate substantial numbers of new Smalltalkers. It may take years to reach the top 20 on Redmond. (We should be so lucky to have this problem.)

Re: [Pharo-users] Metacello cannot download the latest zip of a github repo if a zip already exists from a previous commit

2015-12-13 Thread Dale Henrichs
On 12/13/15 6:28 AM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: So it looks like that when I do Metacello new baseline: 'ChronosManager'; repository: 'github://kilon/ChronosManager'; load and I have ChronosManager already installed via the same command previously , if the repo has changed in the mean time

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Todd Blanchard
Where do I get this? I have to say I kind of think Pharo is missing the boat with regards to mobile devices. There is a huge demand for a mobile development platform that allows one to write a mobile app that runs the same on Android and iOS. > On Dec 12, 2015, at 03:51, Dimitris Chloupis

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread horrido
I thought so, too, which is why I wrote this tutorial for app development. However, there is some question surrounding Amber's viability in the longer term. And the demand for cross-platform apps may not be as

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread horrido
I think I asked this before (at the start of the year), but if I were given an actual real-world *enterprise* customer /whom I could interview/ to get the *full story* of how they came to use Smalltalk, especially if they were coming from a major language such as Java, and what their particular

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread EuanM
As a person who has posted video of Squeak and Pharo running on Raspberry Pi, I have to disagree with teh statement "Pharo can already run on ... Raspberry PI and works well.". Squeak works well on the Pi, in my experience. It's about an order-of-magnitude more responsive to user input than

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Robert Withers
That's was it: sanguinity. On 12/14/2015 12:18 AM, Robert Withers wrote: I've always thought that squeak should have a set of measured, communicated emotional layer, but inverted. Measure a positive number that is better when it grows, instead of bad. The system could react to that measure,

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Todd Blanchard
I've shipped several cordova/phonegap apps. It can work for a certain level of simplicity - but browser based apps don't scratch my itch. I would be more interested in being able to develop a browser based app in Pharo and deploy it to a phone or tablet. > On Dec 13, 2015, at 17:13, horrido

Re: [Pharo-users] Fuel Slow?

2015-12-13 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote >> Is that normal? > No, it's not. Oh good! Mariano Martinez Peck wrote > Can I reproduce it? If true, tell me exactly how (if you give me the image > and tell me which VM you used, even better). It happens consistently when I serialize via: FLSerializer

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

2015-12-13 Thread Robert Withers
I've always thought that squeak should have a set of measured, communicated emotional layer, but inverted. Measure a positive number that is better when it grows, instead of bad. The system could react to that measure, like it's gambling. That would go in the half-layer of the 9 1/2 layer

[Pharo-users] How to detect wheter the computer is connected to the internet ?

2015-12-13 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Hey guys I try to make a way to detect whether my project is up to date and if not to update it from the github repo automagically. This part works fine , but I will also like to first detect whether the computer has an internet connection so to avoid unnecessary errors and checks . Is that

Re: [Pharo-users] How to detect wheter the computer is connected to the internet ?

2015-12-13 Thread Peter Uhnak
On 12/14, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Hi Dimitris, > > > On 14 Dec 2015, at 07:02, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > > > Hey guys I try to make a way to detect whether my project is up to date and > > if not to update it from the github repo automagically. This part works

Re: [Pharo-users] How to detect wheter the computer is connected to the internet ?

2015-12-13 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Hi Dimitris, > On 14 Dec 2015, at 07:02, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > Hey guys I try to make a way to detect whether my project is up to date and > if not to update it from the github repo automagically. This part works fine > , but I will also like to first detect

Re: [Pharo-users] Small steps in a keyboard driven IDE

2015-12-13 Thread Damien Cassou
Stephan Eggermont writes: > https://vimeo.com/148637679 > > Added a class view that shows the methods. Dragging them out opens > a method card, Shift-RightArrow adds a method card below the class card. > Ctrl-- makes a method card use smaller text, Ctrl-+ larger. On my >