Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [OT] (slightly) What makes other dialects "enjoyable" for you? (WAS: difference between double dispatch...)

2019-04-12 Thread john pfersich
Well, I run a consulting firm and if I could make money from developing software on Pharo, I’d be willing to join the Consortium as a Gold member. I’d love to develop using Smalltalk. I do proof of concepts in Smalltalk frequently and deploy in other languages. I would think that a company

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [OT] (slightly) What makes other dialects "enjoyable" for you? (WAS: difference between double dispatch...)

2019-04-12 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
In the pharo board we have discussed several times the LTS thingy. As others said, problem with this is it costs time, and time is money (that we do not have for the moment). It is certainly something in our horizon, but for now is just not possible. I don’t know which kind of applications

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [OT] (slightly) What makes other dialects "enjoyable" for you? (WAS: difference between double dispatch...)

2019-04-12 Thread Otto Behrens
Hi, We use Pharo as a development environment and we run a business. So, for us stability and an LTS version makes sense. I think there should be a compromise. The Ubuntu LTS model is a compromise in a sense because the releases between the LTS versions include the newer / more experimental

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [OT] (slightly) What makes other dialects "enjoyable" for you? (WAS: difference between double dispatch...)

2019-04-12 Thread Norbert Hartl
So you earn money with pharo? Isn’t that a bit risky if you don’t have someone to ask if you have a critical problem? That is what you get when you pay into the consortium. Is it that you demand that from the mailing list and the people that work in their free time? Norbert > Am 12.04.2019

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [OT] (slightly) What makes other dialects "enjoyable" for you? (WAS: difference between double dispatch...)

2019-04-12 Thread ducasse
How much are you ready to pay for LTS? BTW Pharo on knowroaming servers is super super super stable. This is the guy in charge of pharo there that told us this during Pharodays. Stef > On 12 Apr 2019, at 03:06, john pfersich wrote: > > +1 on the long term support idea. Changing an

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [OT] (slightly) What makes other dialects "enjoyable" for you? (WAS: difference between double dispatch...)

2019-04-11 Thread john pfersich
+1 on the long term support idea. Changing an application every year to support a new version of Pharo is a nonstarter for most of my clients. /*—-*/ Sent from my iPhone https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/51616339056/sig.png See https://objectnets.net and

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [OT] (slightly) What makes other dialects "enjoyable" for you? (WAS: difference between double dispatch...)

2019-04-11 Thread p...@highoctane.be
I second that. A locked up Pharo IDE is infuriating. A dead/broken keyboard is proof of this. I have been using Jetbrains IDEA for a while now and love the embedded terminal, the Ctrl-Tab for tools and Ctrl-f12 for jumping to a method + the shift shift global search (kind of spotter) that

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [OT] (slightly) What makes other dialects "enjoyable" for you? (WAS: difference between double dispatch...)

2019-04-11 Thread Norbert Hartl
> Am 11.04.2019 um 15:29 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck : > > Hi Esteban, > > We talk this privately a couple of weeks ago, but I thought it was worth > writing again here. As for other IDE's being enjoyable, I can only talk about > VASmalltalk. If there is ONE thing I enjoy from it, is the

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [OT] (slightly) What makes other dialects "enjoyable" for you? (WAS: difference between double dispatch...)

2019-04-11 Thread jtuc...@objektfabrik.de
+1 on the long term support and stability topic. ... and if I remember correctly, either Stephane or Marcus once talked about plans for some kind of LTS version at ESUG two or three years ago...? Am 11.04.19 um 15:29 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: Hi Esteban, We talk this privately a

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [OT] (slightly) What makes other dialects "enjoyable" for you? (WAS: difference between double dispatch...)

2019-04-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Hi Esteban, We talk this privately a couple of weeks ago, but I thought it was worth writing again here. As for other IDE's being enjoyable, I can only talk about VASmalltalk. If there is ONE thing I enjoy from it, is the stability. May be ugly, may be too-windows, may be full of menus you don't