[Phono-L] Trying to warn an unsuspecting Ebay bidder

[Steven Medved]

This has happened to me, if the person you are trying to contact is selling 
something you can contact them that way, or try to contact him again this seems 
almost random.
 
Steve



> I was trying to write an ebay bidder (non-phonograph> related) about an item 
> they were bidding on that was> incomplete, but the seller didn't mention 
> this.> > I clicked on the bidder's name, which took me to his> feedback page. 
> I clicked on contact the member. I> wrote a message. When I tried to send the 
> message I> got a reply saying in effect that ebay SOMETIMES> blocks emails 
> when you have not done business with a> member. 
From agw1...@aol.com  Sun Feb 18 20:01:17 2007
From: agw1...@aol.com (agw1...@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 18 20:01:37 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor RE-57 found - unmolested!
Message-ID: 

 
Hello all,
  If anyone is interested, I just looked at a Victor RE-57  
Radio-Phonograph-Recorder with a good looking case, all the hardware. 
Apparently  complete! The 
person at the antique store did not know anything about it as it  belongs to 
his partner who was not there. It is priced at $500.
  It is located at the McMillen Antique Store at McMillen, WA near  Sumner 
and Orting which are both near Tacoma.

 
Rick A.  Jorgensen
18021 - 150th Avenue East
Orting, WA 98360 USA

_"OLD MUSIC at AMERICAN GRAMOPHONE &  WIRELESS Co._ 
(http://members.aol.com/AGW1886/)  
http://members.aol.com/AGW1886/

_GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE  ASSOCIATION_ 
(http://members.aol.com/AGW1888/geaahome.htm) 
http://members.aol.com/AGW1888/geaahome.htm
From mari...@optusnet.com.au  Mon Feb 19 08:04:07 2007
From: mari...@optusnet.com.au (Mario Frazzetto)
Date: Mon Feb 19 08:05:01 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] re Spanish HMV
Message-ID: <002401c7543f$966a2500$6401a...@tonyandjose>

Hi Listers,

I've been doing a little investigating into HMV gramophones that came out of 
Spain and that were produced at the HMV factory in Barcelona. They actually had 
some quite destinctive models made to suit a somewhat more adventurous taste at 
the time. I have found very little information in reagards to the range of 
machines that might have come out of there. Is there anyone on the list that 
might be able to help with information on some of the models that might have 
been available? Anyone have a catalogue of spanish machines? I've seen machines 
advertised on record covers but that is about it. Any information would be most 
appreciated!



Regards,
Mario
From bjohn...@mrvictor.com  Mon Feb 19 17:43:30 2007
From: bjohn...@mrvictor.com (Bob Johnson)
Date: Mon Feb 19 17:46:00 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] items for sale
In-Reply-To: <45d8d94a.8070...@barrykasindorf.com>
Message-ID: <200702200143.l1k1hrxw027...@dish8.net.ibizdns.com>

What the heck is a Par-O-Ket?  Do you mean the Keen-O-Phone?  Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Barry Kasindorf
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 2:55 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] items for sale

I would love an Idealia, can't afford it yet (let me see those lottery
tickets I bought...).

Still interested in the Par-o-ket.
-Barry


Bob Johnson wrote:
> OK folks.after 25+ years of collecting, I am starting to sell a few of our
> phonographs..Here are some that I will post on ebay if no one wants them
on
> this list:  Columbia Grand in Circassian Walnut, $7,500, Columbia Symphony
> Grand, Restored (looks like upright piano) $8,500, Columbia "School"
model,
> restored with wheels, $2,000, Edison Idelia, bedplate restored, S.N.
65841,
> mahogany cygnet horn, excellent reproduction lid, shaver, etc.  $25,000,
> Victrola model XX with gold gilding, 18 of these are known to exist, S.N.
> 8425, $12,000, Flat Top VTLA S.N. 538, $6000, Flat Top VTLA S.N. 902,
> $5,500.  Others in our collection might be available.  Go to our website
and
> check out the 250+ phonographs. www.mrvictor.com

> Email me if you have an interest.  bjohn...@mrvictor.com   Thanks.  Bob
> 
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[Phono-L] shipping phonographs

[michael funk]

When I was getting info on Fed Ex last summer the very fine print on the
agreement said antiques would only be reimbursed up to $100.00.  But I could
not find out what they defined as an antique  ( was it something a hundred
years old? There seemed to be no definition to refer to )- when I asked if a
phonograph would be insurable I was told yes but then was told not if it is
an antique. If you don't ask any questions they will let you pay extra
insurance on any item - but it doesn't mean that they will actually pay up
on the claim. 

Suellen Funk

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:51 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shipping phonographs

The key word for FedEx and UPS is "rates and tarif".  The USPS calls it the
"domestic mail manual"


On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:59:04 -0800, Loran T. Hughes wrote:

>Have you tried surfing ups.com and fedex.com for specific info? It's  
>as bad/worse than finding something on microsoft.com!

>;)
>Loran

>On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Peter Fraser wrote:

>> uh, "go down to..."?  why not "surf to the sites of..."?
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Loran T. Hughes wrote:
>>
>>> Like everything, I imagine that the devil is in the details.  
>>> Anyone care to volunteer to go down to UPS, FedEx, and USPS to get  
>>> copies of the insurance agreements? I'll bet you find limits to  
>>> liability on antiques... but I'm just guessing.
>>>
>>> Loran

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From ba...@barrykasindorf.com  Sun Feb 18 14:55:06 2007
From: ba...@barrykasindorf.com (Barry Kasindorf)
Date: Sun Feb 18 15:06:43 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] items for sale
In-Reply-To: <200702182140.l1ilepsv025...@dish8.net.ibizdns.com>
References: <200702182140.l1ilepsv025...@dish8.net.ibizdns.com>
Message-ID: <45d8d94a.8070...@barrykasindorf.com>

I would love an Idealia, can't afford it yet (let me see those lottery
tickets I bought...).

Still interested in the Par-o-ket.
-Barry


Bob Johnson wrote:
> OK folks.after 25+ years of collecting, I am starting to sell a few of our
> phonographs..Here are some that I will post on ebay if no one wants them on
> this list:  Columbia Grand in Circassian Walnut, $7,500, Columbia Symphony
> Grand, Restored (looks like upright piano) $8,500, Columbia "School" model,
> restored with wheels, $2,000, Edison Idelia, bedplate restored, S.N. 65841,
> mahogany cygnet horn, excellent reproduction lid, shaver, etc.  $25,000,
> Victrola model XX with gold gilding, 18 of these are known to exist, S.N.
> 8425, $12,000, Flat Top VTLA S.N. 538, $6000, Flat Top VTLA S.N. 902,
> $5,500.  Others in our collection might be available.  Go to our website and
> check out the 250+ phonographs. www.mrvictor.com 
> Email me if you have an interest.  bjohn...@mrvictor.com   Thanks.  Bob
> 
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From rich-m...@octoxol.com  Sun Feb 18 15:56:25 2007
From: rich-m...@octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Sun Feb 18 15:56:45 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] shipping phonographs
In-Reply-To: <000601c753a8$74208d50$6b01a...@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <20070218235629.1b7fbbf...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com>

This is from the latest, greatest, up to date FedEx ground tariff..  It is 
not hard to find.  As i have 
said before, if has a value and you care about it then ship it REGISTERED mail. 
 If your buyer can not 
afford the registered mail then find another buyer.  FedEx ground including 
home delivery will not 
cover the items listed.  You can buy insurance from outside agencies, bring 
steel engravings of Ben 
franklin, several.

Declared Value and Limits of Liability (Not Insurance
Coverage)
A. FedEx Ground liability with regard to any package is limited to the sum of 
$100 unless
a higher value is declared at time of tender and a greater charge paid as 
provided in the
FedEx Service Guide or FedEx Retail Counter Rates Book.
B. The declared value of any package represents our maximum liability in 
connection
with a package, including, but not limited to, any loss, damage, delay, 
misdelivery,
nondelivery, misinformation, any failure to provide information, or misdelivery 
of information.
Exposure to and risk of any loss in excess of the declared value is either 
assumed by
the shipper or transferred by the shipper to an insurance carrier through the 
purchase of
an insurance policy. The shipper should contact an insurance agent or broker if 
insurance
coverage is desired. FEDEX GROUND DOES NOT PROVIDE INSURANCE COVERAGE OF
ANY KIND.
C. In cases where the shipper declares or agrees in writing that the property 
being
shipped is released to a value exceeding $100 per package or article no

[Phono-L] items for sale

[Bob Johnson]

OK folks.after 25+ years of collecting, I am starting to sell a few of our
phonographs..Here are some that I will post on ebay if no one wants them on
this list:  Columbia Grand in Circassian Walnut, $7,500, Columbia Symphony
Grand, Restored (looks like upright piano) $8,500, Columbia "School" model,
restored with wheels, $2,000, Edison Idelia, bedplate restored, S.N. 65841,
mahogany cygnet horn, excellent reproduction lid, shaver, etc.  $25,000,
Victrola model XX with gold gilding, 18 of these are known to exist, S.N.
8425, $12,000, Flat Top VTLA S.N. 538, $6000, Flat Top VTLA S.N. 902,
$5,500.  Others in our collection might be available.  Go to our website and
check out the 250+ phonographs. www.mrvictor.com 
Email me if you have an interest.  bjohn...@mrvictor.com   Thanks.  Bob

[Phono-L] shipping phonographs

[Rich]

The key word for FedEx and UPS is "rates and tarif".  The USPS calls it the 
"domestic mail manual"


On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:59:04 -0800, Loran T. Hughes wrote:

>Have you tried surfing ups.com and fedex.com for specific info? It's  
>as bad/worse than finding something on microsoft.com!

>;)
>Loran

>On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Peter Fraser wrote:

>> uh, "go down to..."?  why not "surf to the sites of..."?
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Loran T. Hughes wrote:
>>
>>> Like everything, I imagine that the devil is in the details.  
>>> Anyone care to volunteer to go down to UPS, FedEx, and USPS to get  
>>> copies of the insurance agreements? I'll bet you find limits to  
>>> liability on antiques... but I'm just guessing.
>>>
>>> Loran

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[Phono-L] shipping phonographs

[Rich]

They have them posted on the internet site.  That way you do not have to deal 
with the uninformed 
clerk.  And, you are correct, there are limits.


On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:28:36 -0800, Loran T. Hughes wrote:

>Like everything, I imagine that the devil is in the details. Anyone  
>care to volunteer to go down to UPS, FedEx, and USPS to get copies of  
>the insurance agreements? I'll bet you find limits to liability on  
>antiques... but I'm just guessing.

>Loran
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[Phono-L] shipping phonographs

[Robert Vuillemenot]

I looked on the FedEx web sight and couldn't find an answer so I sent
them an email and asked for clarification about insurance for antiques.
I will let you know if I get a reply.
RMV

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On Behalf Of Loran T. Hughes
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:29 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shipping phonographs


Like everything, I imagine that the devil is in the details. Anyone  
care to volunteer to go down to UPS, FedEx, and USPS to get copies of  
the insurance agreements? I'll bet you find limits to liability on  
antiques... but I'm just guessing.

Loran
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[Phono-L] Trying to warn an unsuspecting Ebay bidder

[john robles]

I have tried that with the same results. I have also tried to contact someone I 
did business with recently with the same message, so I had to go into one of 
their current auctions to get hold of them.
  When there is an incomplete or fraudulent item I usually contact the seller, 
if I feel it is a real threat to the buyer. Usually they say they didn;t know, 
will take it off ebay or relist with new info, and lots of times they do. Once 
in a while though I get an angry response, which tells me they know they are 
selling fraudulently. Then I report them to ebay. I don't do this very often, 
as it really is a buyer beware system and I can't save the world, but it 
actually physically gets me to think someone is buying in confidence when they 
are going to get ripped off. I don't do it with the repro gramos anymore, 
because there are too many on ebay.
  John Robles

Dennis Back  wrote:
  I was trying to write an ebay bidder (non-phonograph
related) about an item they were bidding on that was
incomplete, but the seller didn't mention this.

I clicked on the bidder's name, which took me to his
feedback page. I clicked on contact the member. I
wrote a message. When I tried to send the message I
got a reply saying in effect that ebay SOMETIMES
blocks emails when you have not done business with a
member. 

This is that ebay message I got:

(ebay message)

<<< "Attention!

We have determined you are trying to contact an eBay
member with whom you are not currently involved in an
open transaction. For the protection of the eBay
community, we sometimes block these types of
communication. To prevent this occurrence from
happening in the future, we recommend the following:

*

If you are a seller, respond to all bidder
questions before the auction ends.

*

If you are trying to contact the seller of an
item that has not yet ended go to the item page and
click the ?Ask seller a question? link.

*

If you are the winning buyer of an item go to
your My eBay page under the items I?ve Won section. 
Click the action drop down menu and choose the
?contact seller? action.

*

If you are a seller trying to contact your
wining buyer, go to My eBay and under the Items I?ve
Sold section, click the action drop down menu. Choose
the ?contact buyer? action.

*

Reply to seller/bidder through personal email
provider (if the sender has not hidden their email
address).

Thank you for your understanding." 

(end ebay blurb)

So now ebay will not even let you contact someone else
to warn them about problems I realize they are
probably doing this to prevent people from writing
others saying they have the same item for sale, only
cheaper. 

I tried this about a month ago, so this is not new. 
Has anyone else had this problem and if so, is there
some other way to contact a member? 

It appears that we (unsuspecting ebay buyers) are now
even MORE trouble, and it is REALLY "buyer beware"
with no help from the honest ebay community.

Dennis





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[Loran T. Hughes]

Have you tried surfing ups.com and fedex.com for specific info? It's  
as bad/worse than finding something on microsoft.com!

;)
Loran

On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Peter Fraser wrote:

> uh, "go down to..."?  why not "surf to the sites of..."?
>
> On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Loran T. Hughes wrote:
>
>> Like everything, I imagine that the devil is in the details.  
>> Anyone care to volunteer to go down to UPS, FedEx, and USPS to get  
>> copies of the insurance agreements? I'll bet you find limits to  
>> liability on antiques... but I'm just guessing.
>>
>> Loran

[Phono-L] Trying to warn an unsuspecting Ebay bidder

[Dennis Back]

I was trying to write an ebay bidder (non-phonograph
related) about an item they were bidding on that was
incomplete, but the seller didn't mention this.

I clicked on the bidder's name, which took me to his
feedback page.  I clicked on contact the member.  I
wrote  a message.  When I tried to send the message I
got a reply saying in effect that ebay SOMETIMES
blocks emails when you have not done business with a
member. 

This is that ebay message I got:

(ebay message)

<<< "Attention!

We have determined you are trying to contact an eBay
member with whom you are not currently involved in an
open transaction. For the protection of the eBay
community, we sometimes block these types of
communication. To prevent this occurrence from
happening in the future, we recommend the following:

*

  If you are a seller, respond to all bidder
questions before the auction ends.

*

  If you are trying to contact the seller of an
item that has not yet ended go to the item page and
click the ?Ask seller a question? link.

*

  If you are the winning buyer of an item go to
your My eBay page under the items I?ve Won section. 
Click the action drop down menu and choose the
?contact seller? action.

*

  If you are a seller trying to contact your
wining buyer, go to My eBay and under the Items I?ve
Sold section, click the action drop down menu.  Choose
the ?contact buyer? action.

*

  Reply to seller/bidder through personal email
provider (if the sender has not hidden their email
address).

Thank you for your understanding." 
 
(end ebay blurb)

So now ebay will not even let you contact someone else
to warn them about problems  I realize they are
probably doing this to prevent people from writing
others saying they have the same item for sale, only
cheaper. 

I tried this about a month ago, so this is not new. 
Has anyone else had this problem and if so, is there
some other way to contact a member? 

It appears that we (unsuspecting ebay buyers) are now
even MORE trouble, and it is REALLY  "buyer beware"
with no help from the honest ebay community.

Dennis



 

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From lo...@oldcrank.com  Sun Feb 18 10:28:36 2007
From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes)
Date: Sun Feb 18 10:28:49 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] shipping phonographs
In-Reply-To: <20070218155758.cec9fbe...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com>
References: <20070218155758.cec9fbe...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com>
Message-ID: <05d0c1ab-f4f4-414c-9344-12318e396...@oldcrank.com>

Like everything, I imagine that the devil is in the details. Anyone  
care to volunteer to go down to UPS, FedEx, and USPS to get copies of  
the insurance agreements? I'll bet you find limits to liability on  
antiques... but I'm just guessing.

Loran
From pjfra...@alamedanet.net  Sun Feb 18 10:55:53 2007
From: pjfra...@alamedanet.net (Peter Fraser)
Date: Sun Feb 18 10:56:17 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] shipping phonographs
In-Reply-To: <05d0c1ab-f4f4-414c-9344-12318e396...@oldcrank.com>
References: <20070218155758.cec9fbe...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com>
<05d0c1ab-f4f4-414c-9344-12318e396...@oldcrank.com>
Message-ID: 

uh, "go down to..."?  why not "surf to the sites of..."?

On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Loran T. Hughes wrote:

> Like everything, I imagine that the devil is in the details. Anyone  
> care to volunteer to go down to UPS, FedEx, and USPS to get copies  
> of the insurance agreements? I'll bet you find limits to liability  
> on antiques... but I'm just guessing.
>
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[Rich]

You are running into the problem of the "local company employee staffed 
customer service counter", 
and "the local contract shipping center".  This will happen with almost 
anything except the post office.  
Make a phone call to the home service center and ask or, better yet, go on the 
internet and read the 
carriers tariff and regulations.  You will find the answer there.  Armed with 
the page and paragraph 
number you can now go to the "customer service" counter.

You will have a tough time collecting from the post office for an antique also. 
 Again, if it has value, 
then ship it REGISTERED mail.

Right now all you have heer is FUD from your friend of a friend who said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt


On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:56:25 -0500, Robert Vuillemenot wrote:

>Hi,  
>   I used to ship a lot of antiques by FedEx ground.  I found the
>service was almost as fast as Priority Mail and considerably cheaper.
>In Jan 2006 I took a very expensive phonograph to FedEx to ship to
>Arizona by ground.  To my surprise the clerk told me that the insurance
>policy on antiques had been changed.  As of Jan 1st the max insurance
>available on antiques shipped FedEx ground was $100.  Needles to say I
>couldn't accept this on a $3500 item so I shipped it Priority Mail.  The
>other day a friend of mine received an expensive phonograph that was
>shipped from the west coast by FedEx ground and was insured for several
>thousand dollars.  Furthermore the seller didn't even have to give proof
>of value to obtain the insurance.  I know this because he tried to ship
>it at UPS first but they wouldn't insure it without a recent appraisal
>by a qualified antique dealer.  Does anyone know if FedEx has changed
>their insurance policy?  If so what is it now.
>Thanks.
>RMV


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[Phono-L] shipping phonographs

[Robert Vuillemenot]

Hi,  
I used to ship a lot of antiques by FedEx ground.  I found the
service was almost as fast as Priority Mail and considerably cheaper.
In Jan 2006 I took a very expensive phonograph to FedEx to ship to
Arizona by ground.  To my surprise the clerk told me that the insurance
policy on antiques had been changed.  As of Jan 1st the max insurance
available on antiques shipped FedEx ground was $100.  Needles to say I
couldn't accept this on a $3500 item so I shipped it Priority Mail.  The
other day a friend of mine received an expensive phonograph that was
shipped from the west coast by FedEx ground and was insured for several
thousand dollars.  Furthermore the seller didn't even have to give proof
of value to obtain the insurance.  I know this because he tried to ship
it at UPS first but they wouldn't insure it without a recent appraisal
by a qualified antique dealer.  Does anyone know if FedEx has changed
their insurance policy?  If so what is it now.
Thanks.
RMV