Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?
Dear Mr. Medved: Your reputation for restoring reproducers has been widely praised. Each year on February 11th I host an Edison Birthday Celebration here in Austin, Texas for local & visiting antique phonograph collectors. A couple years ago, some superb professional jazz musicians attended & then high school student Colin Hancock assisted in recording them on wax cylinders using his restored Recorder on my 2 minute only Edison Triumph Phonograph. Colin is now in college & won’t be able to attend this year’s Party to which some amateur jazz musicians are invited. I want to again record wax cylinders of the musicians but one of my Recorders fails to cut a groove & the other provides too weak a recording to accommodate a dozen musicians even though a platform & high stools are provided for certain instruments, etc. Do you restore Edison Recorders to peak performance? Or, would you have such for sale? Also, wanted in a less timely manner, are you able to restore the Reproducer of a Columbia “BC” Twentieth Century Graphophone? Many thanks & all good wishes… Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. Austin, Texas 78703-1402 (512) 478-9954 jimcartwri...@immortalperformances.com From: SN Medved via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 8:18 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: SN Medved Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Ron, I appreciate the kind words from you, John, and Darrell. Steve _ From: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 11:45 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? I knew you'd set me straight, Steve. Thanks. Ron From: SN Medved via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 10:22 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: SN Medved Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Ron, Edison links vary from .0175 to .0192 in diameter. I use .020 annealed stainless steel wire to make links for them all except for the O and M which I use .018 annealed steel wire. The O link is longer than the M link. Staple wire is too small in my opinion as it is .0175 on one side and .0186 on the other as it is not round. The length is about right for the bent weight N but too long for the C or H. Steve _ From: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 10:10 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? I've been told that an ordinary office style staple is the right length and diameter for this link wire. How far from the truth is that? Ron L From: amberola75--- via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:08 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: amberol...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Everyone, I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus? Like actual center to center distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc. Any info would be helpful as I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and error. Thanks, Jim Reisenweber Description: Image removed by sender. Description: Image removed by sender. Description: Image removed by sender. Description: Image removed by sender. Description: Image removed by sender. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?
Hello Ron, I appreciate the kind words from you, John, and Darrell. Steve From: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 11:45 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? I knew you'd set me straight, Steve. Thanks. Ron From: SN Medved via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 10:22 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: SN Medved Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Ron, Edison links vary from .0175 to .0192 in diameter. I use .020 annealed stainless steel wire to make links for them all except for the O and M which I use .018 annealed steel wire. The O link is longer than the M link. Staple wire is too small in my opinion as it is .0175 on one side and .0186 on the other as it is not round. The length is about right for the bent weight N but too long for the C or H. Steve From: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 10:10 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? I've been told that an ordinary office style staple is the right length and diameter for this link wire. How far from the truth is that? Ron L From: amberola75--- via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:08 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: amberol...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Everyone, I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus? Like actual center to center distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc. Any info would be helpful as I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and error. Thanks, Jim Reisenweber
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I knew you'd set me straight, Steve. Thanks. Ron From: SN Medved via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 10:22 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: SN Medved Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Ron, Edison links vary from .0175 to .0192 in diameter. I use .020 annealed stainless steel wire to make links for them all except for the O and M which I use .018 annealed steel wire. The O link is longer than the M link. Staple wire is too small in my opinion as it is .0175 on one side and .0186 on the other as it is not round. The length is about right for the bent weight N but too long for the C or H. Steve _ From: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 10:10 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? I've been told that an ordinary office style staple is the right length and diameter for this link wire. How far from the truth is that? Ron L From: amberola75--- via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:08 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: amberol...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Everyone, I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus? Like actual center to center distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc. Any info would be helpful as I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and error. Thanks, Jim Reisenweber Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender.
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?
Hello Ron, Edison links vary from .0175 to .0192 in diameter. I use .020 annealed stainless steel wire to make links for them all except for the O and M which I use .018 annealed steel wire. The O link is longer than the M link. Staple wire is too small in my opinion as it is .0175 on one side and .0186 on the other as it is not round. The length is about right for the bent weight N but too long for the C or H. Steve From: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 10:10 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? I've been told that an ordinary office style staple is the right length and diameter for this link wire. How far from the truth is that? Ron L From: amberola75--- via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:08 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: amberol...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Everyone, I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus? Like actual center to center distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc. Any info would be helpful as I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and error. Thanks, Jim Reisenweber
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?
I've been told that an ordinary office style staple is the right length and diameter for this link wire. How far from the truth is that? Ron L From: amberola75--- via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:08 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: amberol...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Everyone, I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus? Like actual center to center distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc. Any info would be helpful as I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and error. Thanks, Jim Reisenweber Image removed by sender.
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I responded off list. From: john9ten via Phono-L Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 2:26 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: john9ten Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Sorry, I was thinking he would respond, he's on this board. Original message From: Darrell Lehman via Phono-L Date: 02/01/2016 9:40 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: Darrell Lehman Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? His address would be helpful... steve_nor...@msn.com<mailto:steve_nor...@msn.com> john9ten via Phono-L wrote: Steve medved can assist with this. He's a genius at making correct sized links. John Robles Original message From: amberola75--- via Phono-L <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: 02/01/2016 6:08 AM (GMT-08:00) To: phono-l@oldcrank.org<mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> Cc: amberol...@aol.com<mailto:amberol...@aol.com> Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Everyone, I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus? Like actual center to center distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc. Any info would be helpful as I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and error. Thanks, Jim Reisenweber
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Sorry, I was thinking he would respond, he's on this board. Original message From: Darrell Lehman via Phono-L Date: 02/01/2016 9:40 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: Darrell Lehman Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? His address would be helpful... steve_nor...@msn.com john9ten via Phono-L wrote: Steve medved can assist with this. He's a genius at making correct sized links. John Robles Original message From: amberola75--- via Phono-L Date: 02/01/2016 6:08 AM (GMT-08:00) To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: amberol...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Everyone, I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus? Like actual center to center distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc. Any info would be helpful as I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and error. Thanks, Jim Reisenweber
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His address would be helpful... steve_nor...@msn.com john9ten via Phono-L wrote: Steve medved can assist with this. He's a genius at making correct sized links. John Robles Original message From: amberola75--- via Phono-L Date: 02/01/2016 6:08 AM (GMT-08:00) To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: amberol...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Everyone, I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus? Like actual center to center distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc. Any info would be helpful as I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and error. Thanks, Jim Reisenweber
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?
Steve medved can assist with this. He's a genius at making correct sized links. John Robles Original message From: amberola75--- via Phono-L Date: 02/01/2016 6:08 AM (GMT-08:00) To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: amberol...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? Hello Everyone, I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus? Like actual center to center distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc. Any info would be helpful as I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and error. Thanks, Jim Reisenweber
[Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?
Hello Everyone, I was wondering if there are any printed or "known" specifications for the fabrication dimensions of all of the different Edison reproducer "S" or "C" hooks that connect the diaphragm to the stylus? Like actual center to center distance, radius on the ends, wire diameter, etc. Any info would be helpful as I would like to machine a few small fixtures to make them instead of trial and error. Thanks, Jim Reisenweber
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The feed nut and bar are offset. Bob In a message dated 1/27/2016 7:41:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, phono-l@oldcrank.org writes: The Triumph A 2/4 upgrade mandrel is very rare because most of the time you see an A it has the B upgrade mandrel on it which will fit but you have to move the upper bed plate all the way to the right so the belt will not hit so the screw holding the bedplate down will be all the way to the left and not centered in its lug. All the upgrade mandrels and feedscrews are stamped. My article below and the copies of the Edison letter should answer all your questions, if not please let me know. I have a Triumph A with a B mandrel on it. No other companies made them to my knowledge. Edison made 2/4 upgrade mandrels and pulleys for the Concert, the early Spring Motor, and the ABC triumphs. Steve I was able to find a copy of a letter Edison sent to his dealers telling about the different mandrel upgrades for the home and triumphs. If the dealers needed a letter, how much more will this information help us? Here are some things that I have found from the letter and myself. The lengths of the triumph feed screws are as follows: The A is 4 27/32" and is marked T D A I and TA on the feedscrew and the mandrel. The B is 5" and is marked T D B I, TBI, or just a large TB on the mandrel and the end of the feed screw is also marked. The C is 5 1/4" and is marked T D C I on the feedscrew and the mandrel. I have never seen a C except for a pulley. The D and E (and F I assume) is marked T D only. The pulley is marked with an A B C or D. Homes: The home is marked H B I, IHB or H A B I for the A & B and H C for C. The home D and higher is marked H D. If you put a Triumph B mandrel on a Triumph A you have to move the upper bedplate to the right all the way to compensate or the belt hits where it goes through the lower bedplate. My Triumph A has a B mandrel on it. I believe the pulleys are the same, and think the shifters on the C kits have the lip like the D and higher does, but I have only seen one home C and one triumph C with the kit so I can’t say for certain. 7 or 8 Triumph C’ s are known and the Home C is very uncommon. Until I saw this letter on eBay (I did not win it but purchased a photocopy from the winner) I did not know they made 5 different ones. If anyone wants a copy of the letter e-mail to them please contact me. Steve >From Terry Baer: The model C used a unique mandrel assembly with "captured" bearing. Picture an early two minute mandrel shaft. Remove the mandrel and turn down the area under the mandrel to about 5/16" leaving the larger 5/8" feedscrew. Now slip on a bearing that is 5/8 OD 5/16 ID. Now slip on a mandrel with smaller 5/16 holes on both ends. Now slip the whole assembly in the top works. From: john9ten via Phono-L Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:26 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: john9ten Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? No access to my books right now, would it be different than the one for the triumph model b? John robles Original message From: Richard Rubin via Phono-L Date: 01/27/2016 3:29 PM (GMT-08:00) To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Richard Rubin Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? I have heard tell here and there that Edison, and possible some other companies, produced 2/4 minute conversion kits for the Triumph model A phonograph, but I have never seen one, and I'm not sure I know anyone who has. Can anyone out there confirm the existence of such a beast? If so, have you ever seen one for sale, and what did it go for?
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The Triumph A 2/4 upgrade mandrel is very rare because most of the time you see an A it has the B upgrade mandrel on it which will fit but you have to move the upper bed plate all the way to the right so the belt will not hit so the screw holding the bedplate down will be all the way to the left and not centered in its lug. All the upgrade mandrels and feedscrews are stamped. My article below and the copies of the Edison letter should answer all your questions, if not please let me know. I have a Triumph A with a B mandrel on it. No other companies made them to my knowledge. Edison made 2/4 upgrade mandrels and pulleys for the Concert, the early Spring Motor, and the ABC triumphs. Steve I was able to find a copy of a letter Edison sent to his dealers telling about the different mandrel upgrades for the home and triumphs. If the dealers needed a letter, how much more will this information help us? Here are some things that I have found from the letter and myself. The lengths of the triumph feed screws are as follows: The A is 4 27/32" and is marked T D A I and TA on the feedscrew and the mandrel. The B is 5" and is marked T D B I, TBI, or just a large TB on the mandrel and the end of the feed screw is also marked. The C is 5 1/4" and is marked T D C I on the feedscrew and the mandrel. I have never seen a C except for a pulley. The D and E (and F I assume) is marked T D only. The pulley is marked with an A B C or D. Homes: The home is marked H B I, IHB or H A B I for the A & B and H C for C. The home D and higher is marked H D. If you put a Triumph B mandrel on a Triumph A you have to move the upper bedplate to the right all the way to compensate or the belt hits where it goes through the lower bedplate. My Triumph A has a B mandrel on it. I believe the pulleys are the same, and think the shifters on the C kits have the lip like the D and higher does, but I have only seen one home C and one triumph C with the kit so I can't say for certain. 7 or 8 Triumph C's are known and the Home C is very uncommon. Until I saw this letter on eBay (I did not win it but purchased a photocopy from the winner) I did not know they made 5 different ones. If anyone wants a copy of the letter e-mail to them please contact me. Steve >From Terry Baer: The model C used a unique mandrel assembly with "captured" bearing. Picture an early two minute mandrel shaft. Remove the mandrel and turn down the area under the mandrel to about 5/16" leaving the larger 5/8" feedscrew. Now slip on a bearing that is 5/8 OD 5/16 ID. Now slip on a mandrel with smaller 5/16 holes on both ends. Now slip the whole assembly in the top works. From: john9ten via Phono-L Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:26 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: john9ten Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? No access to my books right now, would it be different than the one for the triumph model b? John robles Original message From: Richard Rubin via Phono-L Date: 01/27/2016 3:29 PM (GMT-08:00) To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Richard Rubin Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? I have heard tell here and there that Edison, and possible some other companies, produced 2/4 minute conversion kits for the Triumph model A phonograph, but I have never seen one, and I'm not sure I know anyone who has. Can anyone out there confirm the existence of such a beast? If so, have you ever seen one for sale, and what did it go for?
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Is the screw that holds the upper bedplate down centered? If not you have a B upgrade mandrel. Steve M From: DanK via Phono-L Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:34 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: DanK Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? My "A" was converted; I assume many were. dan Kj - Original Message - From: Richard Rubin via Phono-L To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Richard Rubin Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 6:29 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? I have heard tell here and there that Edison, and possible some other companies, produced 2/4 minute conversion kits for the Triumph model A phonograph, but I have never seen one, and I'm not sure I know anyone who has. Can anyone out there confirm the existence of such a beast? If so, have you ever seen one for sale, and what did it go for? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
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My "A" was converted; I assume many were. dan Kj - Original Message - From: Richard Rubin via Phono-L To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Richard Rubin Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 6:29 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? I have heard tell here and there that Edison, and possible some other companies, produced 2/4 minute conversion kits for the Triumph model A phonograph, but I have never seen one, and I'm not sure I know anyone who has. Can anyone out there confirm the existence of such a beast? If so, have you ever seen one for sale, and what did it go for? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
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The conversion kit for the model b is fairly common, I have one now and had another in the past.John Robles Original message From: Richard Rubin via Phono-L Date: 01/27/2016 3:29 PM (GMT-08:00) To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Richard Rubin Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? I have heard tell here and there that Edison, and possible some other companies, produced 2/4 minute conversion kits for the Triumph model A phonograph, but I have never seen one, and I'm not sure I know anyone who has. Can anyone out there confirm the existence of such a beast? If so, have you ever seen one for sale, and what did it go for?
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No access to my books right now, would it be different than the one for the triumph model b? John robles Original message From: Richard Rubin via Phono-L Date: 01/27/2016 3:29 PM (GMT-08:00) To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Richard Rubin Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit? I have heard tell here and there that Edison, and possible some other companies, produced 2/4 minute conversion kits for the Triumph model A phonograph, but I have never seen one, and I'm not sure I know anyone who has. Can anyone out there confirm the existence of such a beast? If so, have you ever seen one for sale, and what did it go for?
[Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?
I have heard tell here and there that Edison, and possible some other companies, produced 2/4 minute conversion kits for the Triumph model A phonograph, but I have never seen one, and I'm not sure I know anyone who has. Can anyone out there confirm the existence of such a beast? If so, have you ever seen one for sale, and what did it go for?