Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question
What is: Scotch brite later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:42 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question Gently spring enough tabs to allow just popping the cover off. Scotch brite the spring to remove all the ossified graphite and Vaseline that is hanging it up. Relube with a high grade large clock spring lube or something like this http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/grease/synthetic-polymeric-truck-chass is-and-equipment-grease-nlgi-1/?code=GPTR1CR-EA On 09/02/2013 03:08 PM, john robles wrote: Hello all I have a question. I have an Amberola 75 that I got a a possible trade/sale machine later on. For now I am keeping it. The springs are badly in need of lubrication, and the leaves are coming apart as the machine plays with noisy results. The springs may even need replacement. I have not regreased Amberola springs before, and I see that the barrels are held closed with metal tabs. To clean and grease the spring you have to unbend them. Anyone done this with successful results (i.e. not breaking the tabs while bending)? I am tempted to buy another good spring barrel assembly with quiet, well greased springs for $95 as opposed to doing it myself. If I send it out, it would cost me over $100 to have it done by someone else. I do spring replacement jobs on Edison phonos, but I don't like doing it! What's your advice? John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question
http://www.pexsupply.com/3M-7447-Scotch-Brite-General-Purpose-Pads-20-box-13751000-p?gclid=CIKdhZqIsrkCFUxo7AodUCEA5w From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 08:54:26 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question What is: Scotch brite later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:42 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question Gently spring enough tabs to allow just popping the cover off. Scotch brite the spring to remove all the ossified graphite and Vaseline that is hanging it up. Relube with a high grade large clock spring lube or something like this http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/grease/synthetic-polymeric-truck-chass is-and-equipment-grease-nlgi-1/?code=GPTR1CR-EA On 09/02/2013 03:08 PM, john robles wrote: Hello all I have a question. I have an Amberola 75 that I got a a possible trade/sale machine later on. For now I am keeping it. The springs are badly in need of lubrication, and the leaves are coming apart as the machine plays with noisy results. The springs may even need replacement. I have not regreased Amberola springs before, and I see that the barrels are held closed with metal tabs. To clean and grease the spring you have to unbend them. Anyone done this with successful results (i.e. not breaking the tabs while bending)? I am tempted to buy another good spring barrel assembly with quiet, well greased springs for $95 as opposed to doing it myself. If I send it out, it would cost me over $100 to have it done by someone else. I do spring replacement jobs on Edison phonos, but I don't like doing it! What's your advice? John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question
https://www.google.com/search?q=scotch+briteie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a On 09/04/2013 09:54 AM, Bob Maffit wrote: What is: Scotch brite later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:42 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question Gently spring enough tabs to allow just popping the cover off. Scotch brite the spring to remove all the ossified graphite and Vaseline that is hanging it up. Relube with a high grade large clock spring lube or something like this http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/grease/synthetic-polymeric-truck-chass is-and-equipment-grease-nlgi-1/?code=GPTR1CR-EA On 09/02/2013 03:08 PM, john robles wrote: Hello all I have a question. I have an Amberola 75 that I got a a possible trade/sale machine later on. For now I am keeping it. The springs are badly in need of lubrication, and the leaves are coming apart as the machine plays with noisy results. The springs may even need replacement. I have not regreased Amberola springs before, and I see that the barrels are held closed with metal tabs. To clean and grease the spring you have to unbend them. Anyone done this with successful results (i.e. not breaking the tabs while bending)? I am tempted to buy another good spring barrel assembly with quiet, well greased springs for $95 as opposed to doing it myself. If I send it out, it would cost me over $100 to have it done by someone else. I do spring replacement jobs on Edison phonos, but I don't like doing it! What's your advice? John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question
Rich, how about this? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=scotch+brite Jim On Sep 4, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: https://www.google.com/search?q=scotch+briteie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a On 09/04/2013 09:54 AM, Bob Maffit wrote: What is: Scotch brite later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:42 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question Gently spring enough tabs to allow just popping the cover off. Scotch brite the spring to remove all the ossified graphite and Vaseline that is hanging it up. Relube with a high grade large clock spring lube or something like this http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/grease/synthetic-polymeric-truck-chass is-and-equipment-grease-nlgi-1/?code=GPTR1CR-EA On 09/02/2013 03:08 PM, john robles wrote: Hello all I have a question. I have an Amberola 75 that I got a a possible trade/sale machine later on. For now I am keeping it. The springs are badly in need of lubrication, and the leaves are coming apart as the machine plays with noisy results. The springs may even need replacement. I have not regreased Amberola springs before, and I see that the barrels are held closed with metal tabs. To clean and grease the spring you have to unbend them. Anyone done this with successful results (i.e. not breaking the tabs while bending)? I am tempted to buy another good spring barrel assembly with quiet, well greased springs for $95 as opposed to doing it myself. If I send it out, it would cost me over $100 to have it done by someone else. I do spring replacement jobs on Edison phonos, but I don't like doing it! What's your advice? John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question
Gently spring enough tabs to allow just popping the cover off. Scotch brite the spring to remove all the ossified graphite and Vaseline that is hanging it up. Relube with a high grade large clock spring lube or something like this http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/grease/synthetic-polymeric-truck-chassis-and-equipment-grease-nlgi-1/?code=GPTR1CR-EA On 09/02/2013 03:08 PM, john robles wrote: Hello all I have a question. I have an Amberola 75 that I got a a possible trade/sale machine later on. For now I am keeping it. The springs are badly in need of lubrication, and the leaves are coming apart as the machine plays with noisy results. The springs may even need replacement. I have not regreased Amberola springs before, and I see that the barrels are held closed with metal tabs. To clean and grease the spring you have to unbend them. Anyone done this with successful results (i.e. not breaking the tabs while bending)? I am tempted to buy another good spring barrel assembly with quiet, well greased springs for $95 as opposed to doing it myself. If I send it out, it would cost me over $100 to have it done by someone else. I do spring replacement jobs on Edison phonos, but I don't like doing it! What's your advice? John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question
50 and 75 springs are easy, which is worth more your time or your money? Triumph springs are a bit of a challenge. There are three tabs, do not touch the third tab. Open up the other two less than half way. You can remove the first tab that frees up the second two that are much easier to remove. You might have to pry up on the lid to get the first one. When you put them back they will stay. If you open all three up all the way they will break off when you try to bend them back. You can tell how good the springs are by how far they open up when you remove them from the barrel. Use mineral spirits to clean them, gasoline will make them harder to clean. Mineral spirits, kerosene, Jet fuel, and heating oil all work well. Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:08:32 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question Hello all I have a question. I have an Amberola 75 that I got a a possible trade/sale machine later on. For now I am keeping it. The springs are badly in need of lubrication, and the leaves are coming apart as the machine plays with noisy results. The springs may even need replacement. I have not regreased Amberola springs before, and I see that the barrels are held closed with metal tabs. To clean and grease the spring you have to unbend them. Anyone done this with successful results (i.e. not breaking the tabs while bending)? I am tempted to buy another good spring barrel assembly with quiet, well greased springs for $95 as opposed to doing it myself. If I send it out, it would cost me over $100 to have it done by someone else. I do spring replacement jobs on Edison phonos, but I don't like doing it! What's your advice? John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question
Hi John ~ I've just read your question and Rich's answer. I agree, you should bend just sufficient to release -- no need to bend them perfectly straight up, etc. Also, you may find that you can get away with leaving some leaning in quite a bit (very minimal bending). As long as you can tilt one end out, that may be all you need to liberate the other. It's better to err on the side of not bending enough. You can always bend a little more, incrementally. Regarding sending them out, I had an unpleasant experience with one of the major antique phonograph suppliers, who sell parts and do mainspring and other servicing. It took a very long time to get my spring barrels back (a 2-spring Brunswick setup with a nice, machined nickel-plated spacer between the barrels), and when it finally did come back the spacer was gone and in its place was a stack of mismatched washers! I wanted to save myself an unpleasant job and to this day I've never sent another out. I just take care of it myself. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Sep 2, 2013, at 2:08 PM, john robles wrote: Hello all I have a question. I have an Amberola 75 that I got a a possible trade/sale machine later on. For now I am keeping it. The springs are badly in need of lubrication, and the leaves are coming apart as the machine plays with noisy results. The springs may even need replacement. I have not regreased Amberola springs before, and I see that the barrels are held closed with metal tabs. To clean and grease the spring you have to unbend them. Anyone done this with successful results (i.e. not breaking the tabs while bending)? I am tempted to buy another good spring barrel assembly with quiet, well greased springs for $95 as opposed to doing it myself. If I send it out, it would cost me over $100 to have it done by someone else. I do spring replacement jobs on Edison phonos, but I don't like doing it! What's your advice? John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question
Hi John: Slowly wind the spring and watch the barrel. You should see a approx. dime sized threaded projection with a flat headed screwdriver slot on the barrel part facing you.Wind the spring fully and so you can see the opening and inject about a teaspoon of grease/oil mixture. Replace the screw and wind the motor up and let wind down 2-3 times. It should thin the previously applied grease and quiet it down. Try 1 teaspoon#x27;s worth the first time don#x27;t be tempted to use too much or it could come out. Place paper towels underneath for several days in case it drips. Charlie. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
