[PHP-DB] Re: what's a GOOD starting HOURLY rate for a PHP/MYSQL job?
I'd also be interested in what people are charging as I'm thinking of setting up as a contractor myself and it would be nice to have a 'ball park' figure of what the going rate is ... Pls mail replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ta, Steve Leo G. Divinagracia III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... okay, you consultants... i'm gonna venture at work to do some side jobs here for some online dynamic web pages. but what would be a good starting pay rate? or would you contract for the entire job? what about a per PAGE/SCRIPT basis? thanks... -- Leo G. Divinagracia III [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP-DB] RE: what's a GOOD starting HOURLY rate for a PHP/MYSQL job?
I'd also be interested in what people are charging as I'm thinking of setting up as a contractor myself and it would be nice to have a 'ball park' figure of what the going rate is ... Pls mail replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feel free to post your responses to the list. I'm curious about it too. On the ASP/VBScript side, rates can run anywhere from $40 to $125 per hour. Heck of a ballpark, true, but I guess it's better than nothing. I'm curious if PHP/MySQL rates are in the same ballpark. Quite frankly (IMHO), it boils down to your portfolio, your professionalism and your negotiation skills. Per page vs per job: I find that when taking on a job, usually the client doesn't truly understand the medium and therefore doesn't exactly know what s/he wants. I'm usually better off getting paid by the hour since the project grows when the client realizes what can be done. This can be a turnoff for some clients because there's no upper limit to the cost in sight, but by listening to the client, I can get an idea of how many hours it'll take and give them some comfort that way. The last thing you want to do is bid a fixed cost for the project and then have scope creep break you. You can try to keep scope creep under control by getting the client to commit (in writing) to your proposal (and revised proposals), but my experience is that there's always scope creep and/or enhancements that the client wants (or that the project demands). TIM -The primary function of the design engineer is to make things difficult for the fabricator and impossible for the serviceman. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP-DB] Re: what's a GOOD starting HOURLY rate for a PHP/MYSQL job?
many thanks, this may sound totally dumb but where do you find your work ? is it via word of mouth or do you advertise etc ? Steve Tim Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'd also be interested in what people are charging as I'm thinking of setting up as a contractor myself and it would be nice to have a 'ball park' figure of what the going rate is ... Pls mail replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feel free to post your responses to the list. I'm curious about it too. On the ASP/VBScript side, rates can run anywhere from $40 to $125 per hour. Heck of a ballpark, true, but I guess it's better than nothing. I'm curious if PHP/MySQL rates are in the same ballpark. Quite frankly (IMHO), it boils down to your portfolio, your professionalism and your negotiation skills. Per page vs per job: I find that when taking on a job, usually the client doesn't truly understand the medium and therefore doesn't exactly know what s/he wants. I'm usually better off getting paid by the hour since the project grows when the client realizes what can be done. This can be a turnoff for some clients because there's no upper limit to the cost in sight, but by listening to the client, I can get an idea of how many hours it'll take and give them some comfort that way. The last thing you want to do is bid a fixed cost for the project and then have scope creep break you. You can try to keep scope creep under control by getting the client to commit (in writing) to your proposal (and revised proposals), but my experience is that there's always scope creep and/or enhancements that the client wants (or that the project demands). TIM -The primary function of the design engineer is to make things difficult for the fabricator and impossible for the serviceman. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP-DB] RE: what's a GOOD starting HOURLY rate for a PHP/MYSQL job?
Something that might be useful would be a sort of guide or list of tips and tricks to creating a quotation for a programming job. I wouldn't know where to find something like that though. Maybe the business section of a larger bookstore? rita. -Original Message- From: Steve Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what's a GOOD starting HOURLY rate for a PHP/MYSQL job? I'd also be interested in what people are charging as I'm thinking of setting up as a contractor myself and it would be nice to have a 'ball park' figure of what the going rate is ... Pls mail replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ta, Steve Leo G. Divinagracia III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... okay, you consultants... i'm gonna venture at work to do some side jobs here for some online dynamic web pages. but what would be a good starting pay rate? or would you contract for the entire job? what about a per PAGE/SCRIPT basis? thanks... -- Leo G. Divinagracia III [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DB] RE: what's a GOOD starting HOURLY rate for a PHP/MYSQL job?
I'd also be interested in what people are charging as I'm thinking of setting up as a contractor myself and it would be nice to have a 'ball park' figure of what the going rate is ... A lot depends on what you've done and the image your customer has of the value of what you are doing. Many times I meet with customers, talk to them about their system and offer my services for $500/day (I don't like to charge hourly). Many times they think it's too much because some wanna be visual developer thinks there is nothing to it using Microsoft. Those people usually encounter major cosltly problems because the guy they are paying $20/hour has no experience but gives them a false sense of security. And when it goes wrong, it costs them so much that paying you $500 seems like a bargain. It happened to me many times and I am smiling as I am writing this remembering some situations. The problem is that you have to be able to differentiate yourself from those fakes, and it can be difficult. They usually have flashy sites that move and make sound linked some database capability with access (like to catalog their dad's wine bottle so they never plan more than one simultaneous connection). But it certainly looks hell lot more impressive than what you have to show, since you have to worry about little things like the number of connections and bandwidth. Meanwhile you are telneting to your server to show the customer how efficient and performing your code is in a language they don't understand. A guy posted earlier about a customer that does not want to change host provider and this host provider cannot guarantee any security. The provider will even provide access to the customer to compile MySQL himself so he can increase security. They will probable give full access to the server! I can't believe a hosting company would give root access to one of his customers don't they realize the damage and security hole they are exposing themself to. I don't give root access to anybody, it is not a matter of trust, accidents happen and all gets lost. This host company is crazy and the client who wants to stay with them is crazy too. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DB] RE: what's a GOOD starting HOURLY rate for a PHP/MYSQL job?
-Original Message- From: Kodrik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The problem is that you have to be able to differentiate yourself from those fakes, and it can be difficult. They usually have flashy sites that move and make sound linked some database capability with access (like to catalog their dad's wine bottle so they never plan more than one simultaneous connection). I hear ya! Making the pitch to a customer that doesn't understand why your site doesn't necessarily look gee-whiz-bang, and selling them on the idea that a db-run site is cost effective can be a challenge! I was discussing that once with a guy who was proud of his site. He pays a guy $65 per hour to do all edits on his site ..and I do mean *all*: Yeah, it's real cool! The guy just goes right in, downloads the file, wham! bam! bam! and he's changed the prices on the products, uploads the file, and it's done while I'm standing right there! Hmmm.. I see. Well, the way I design my sites, using a database with a web front-end makes the task of price updates a menial chore that you give to your clerk making $7 per hour ..not your 'webmaster' making $65 per hour. I think a light came on for him. (but he likes his webmaster, so I didn't get the job ;) C'est la vie! TIM -Some people manage by the book, even though they don't know who wrote the book or even what book. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
