Sam Liddicott wrote:
have you had a look on php4/Zend/LICENSE lately ? ;)
> No I checked the one on the web site, url provided at the time, but you
> could stop playing games and get to the point.
>
> [goes off to check]
> I'm not sure which file you mea
-DEV] NEW PHP standalone compiler (was Re: [PHP-DEV]
> Here we try again)
>
>
> Sam Liddicott wrote:
> >>have you had a look on php4/Zend/LICENSE lately ? ;)
> >
> > Yes, I checked it minutes before sending out my mail. Have you?
>
> so you've noticed t
> > Actually, with all optimizations on, it seems that my site was
running
> > slower and consuming more CPU cycles when I just used Zend
Optimizer.
>
> Sure, since the compilation takes longer due to the optimizations
made.
> Using the Zend Optimizer makes only sense if a) your application
r
Manuel Lemos wrote:
> Actually, with all optimizations on, it seems that my site was running
> slower and consuming more CPU cycles when I just used Zend Optimizer.
Sure, since the compilation takes longer due to the optimizations made.
Using the Zend Optimizer makes only sense if a) your app
Hello,
George Schlossnagle wrote:
>
> > - Add an API function that can compile arbitrary PHP scripts.
>
> How do you want to handle includes or evals in the code to be compiled?
> This is a majopr problem I see with a naive standalone compiler.
I am not aware. What exactly is the problem?
Whe
> Well, George Schlossnagle already proposed to submit APC and other
> useful extensions for inclusion in PHP.
>
> http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.dev&article=64437
>
>
> At the time, it was not done because Zeev said it would be necessary to
> add a directory in PHP tree for extensions
> - Add an API function that can compile arbitrary PHP scripts.
How do you want to handle includes or evals in the code to be compiled?
This is a majopr problem I see with a naive standalone compiler.
>
> - Add an API function for loading arbitrary compiled code.
somewhat trickier.
>
> - If
--- "Stig S. Bakken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You have of course hit a very weak spot for PHP here.
>
> I agree that it would be great if PHP bundled a bytecode compiler,
> cache, optimizer etc. But the fact is that Zend, who has
> contributed no
> small part of PHP, depend on selling these
Sam Liddicott wrote:
>>have you had a look on php4/Zend/LICENSE lately ? ;)
>
> Yes, I checked it minutes before sending out my mail. Have you?
so you've noticed the difference between CVS revision 1.5 and 1.6
of that file?
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On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 08:34, Manuel Lemos wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> >
> > Michael Kimsal wrote:
> > > Perhaps (and I know it's been said before) what is needed is an open
> > > engine that could interpret and execute PHP separately from the Zend
> > > engine (although they'
-DEV] NEW PHP standalone compiler (was Re: [PHP-DEV]
> Here we try again)
>
>
> Sam Liddicott wrote:
>
> > The Zend Open Source license
> > http://www.php.net/license/ZendGrant/ZendGrant3.png
> > and http://www.php.net/license/ZendGrant/ZendGrant4.png
> (see 5a)
Hello,
Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>
> Michael Kimsal wrote:
> > Perhaps (and I know it's been said before) what is needed is an open
> > engine that could interpret and execute PHP separately from the Zend
> > engine (although they've done a really good job at speed!)
>
> The Zend Engine is op
Hello,
Michael Kimsal wrote:
> It'd be great if I could run APC and Zend Optimizer together, so people
> could run 'compiled' scripts from APC or
> Zend Encoder on one server, but I don't think that'll ever happen. At
> least not with the current
> Zend Engine in PHP.
Why not?
> Perhaps (and
Hello,
George Schlossnagle wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > George Schlossnagle wrote:
> >>
> >> APC supports compiled code in the fashion I think you're looking for.
> >> There's a README.compiler in the distribution tar ball.
> >
> > I know, I use APC in MMAP mode and I noticed that it outputs PHP
Michael Kimsal wrote:
> Perhaps (and I know it's been said before) what is needed is an open
> engine that could interpret and execute PHP separately from the Zend
> engine (although they've done a really good job at speed!)
The Zend Engine is open. Instead of proposing to break with Zend, why
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 04:18:08PM -0700, Peter Janett wrote :
> Just a quick answer to your question, regarding Cold Fusion. It does come
> with a way to "encrypt" the files. So, just like PHP, you still have your
> text based scripts, but you can encrypt them, so that the source code can
> on
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From: "Michael Kimsal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Manuel Lemos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: [Apc-cache] Re: [PHP-DEV
Manuel Lemos wrote:
>>If it still look too expansive to you, compared to the free perl compiler,
>>there is also a perl compiler that costs $5,000...
>>
>
>Alain, be serious, Java compilers cost nothing. I know for a fact that a
>lot of people are discarding PHP because there is not an officially
* Manuel Lemos wrote:
> Sure there is Zend Encoder, but at USD $2400!?!?
USD $2400 are *peanuts* for an *Encoder*. If your scripts
are so full of value, then USD $2400 are peanuts.
If not, go to your lawyer and get a license agreement. That
costs less than USD $2400.
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PHP-Support * realitäts
Sam Liddicott wrote:
> The Zend Open Source license
> http://www.php.net/license/ZendGrant/ZendGrant3.png
> and http://www.php.net/license/ZendGrant/ZendGrant4.png (see 5a) you MUST
> provide the source to software which links with it. It will take lawyers to
> decide if "compiled php" which req
> -Original Message-
> From: Stig S. Bakken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 31 January 2002 08:49
> To: Manuel Lemos
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] NEW PHP standalone compiler (was Re
David Eriksson wrote:
> I can't see any problems living without eval(). But I'm a C++ kind of guy
> most of the time... :-)
include(), require() ... are members of the eval() family,
and include pathes created at runtime are not that uncommon
after all, even if they are just of the form
incl
> Hello,
>
> George Schlossnagle wrote:
>>
>> APC supports compiled code in the fashion I think you're looking for.
>> There's a README.compiler in the distribution tar ball.
>
> I know, I use APC in MMAP mode and I noticed that it outputs PHP
> compiled code for each script to disk. That is preci
Hello,
George Schlossnagle wrote:
>
> APC supports compiled code in the fashion I think you're looking for.
> There's a README.compiler in the distribution tar ball.
I know, I use APC in MMAP mode and I noticed that it outputs PHP
compiled code for each script to disk. That is precisely what is
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Edin Kadribasic wrote:
> > This mail concern scrambling again, but PLEASE do NOT start a political
> > thread (again) on whether it's a good idea or not. Does anybody have a
> > good idea on how to do it?
>
> Have a look at http://apc.communityconnect.com/
> When this one run
APC supports compiled code in the fashion I think you're looking for.
There's a README.compiler in the distribution tar ball.
George
On Wednesday, January 30, 2002, at 10:06 PM, Manuel Lemos wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Alain Samoun wrote:
>>
>> Manuel:
>> In all fairness to the Zend people, you can g
Hello,
Alain Samoun wrote:
>
> Manuel:
> In all fairness to the Zend people, you can get the compiler for $600/year
> or $50 per month.
The unlimited Zend Encoder Unlimited costs $2400. Actually, I don't see
any other Zend Encoder purchase option.
Anyway, like a lot of other PHP users, I am no
Manuel Lemos wrote:
>Hello Rasmus,
>
>Rasmus Resen Amossen wrote:
>
>>>Sure. Modify the Zend Engine so that it can be told to write the parsed
>>>
>>Cut...
>>
>>Yeah! That's more like it! Thnx body!
>>
>>More ideas are welcome.
>>
>
>You have just hit one of PHP limitations, the ability provide
, but maybe the future: Web Services with
SOAP?
A+
Alain
-Original Message-
From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] NEW PHP standalone compiler (was Re: [PHP-DEV]
Here we try
Hello,
Edin Kadribasic wrote:
>
> Its not like there are no opensource compilers for php. I have tried one
> (http://apc.communityconnect.com) and it works great. George Schlossnagle et
> al have done a great job and implemeted all the difficult stuff with optree
> serialization/deserialization
Hello Rasmus,
Rasmus Resen Amossen wrote:
>
> > Sure. Modify the Zend Engine so that it can be told to write the parsed
>
> Cut...
>
> Yeah! That's more like it! Thnx body!
>
> More ideas are welcome.
You have just hit one of PHP limitations, the ability provide marketable
value to develope
Its not like there are no opensource compilers for php. I have tried one
(http://apc.communityconnect.com) and it works great. George Schlossnagle et
al have done a great job and implemeted all the difficult stuff with optree
serialization/deserialization etc, so making a standalone compiler out o
Hello Rasmus,
Rasmus Resen Amossen wrote:
>
> > Sure. Modify the Zend Engine so that it can be told to write the parsed
>
> Cut...
>
> Yeah! That's more like it! Thnx body!
>
> More ideas are welcome.
You have just hit one of PHP limitations, the ability provide marketable
value to develope
:06 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rasmus Resen Amossen
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Here we try again
>
> > This mail concern scrambling again, but PLEASE do NOT start a
political
> > thread (again) on whether it's a good idea or not. Does anybody have
a
> >
> This mail concern scrambling again, but PLEASE do NOT start a political
> thread (again) on whether it's a good idea or not. Does anybody have a
> good idea on how to do it?
Have a look at http://apc.communityconnect.com/
When this one run in mmap mode it creates "compiled" files on the disk th
> Sure. Modify the Zend Engine so that it can be told to write the parsed
Cut...
Yeah! That's more like it! Thnx body!
More ideas are welcome.
--
Rasmus Resen Amossen | stud.mat.dat at the University of Copenhagen
Jagtvej 120, -244| http://www.math.ku.dk/muh
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Sure. Modify the Zend Engine so that it can be told to write the parsed
opcodes to a file instead of executing them. Then modify ZE to be able to
recognize those binary files, and execute them directly without the need for
parsing. It should give you a performance increase and let you distribu
This mail concern scrambling again, but PLEASE do NOT start a political
thread (again) on whether it's a good idea or not. Does anybody have a
good idea on how to do it?
--
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Jagtvej 120, -244| http://www.math.ku.dk/muh
2200 K
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